M113 with Chaffee Characteristics | Wan Cheng 2 萬乘二

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The Republic of China, exiled in Taiwan, was a key US ally in East Asia during the Cold War. Following the defeat in mainland China and Hainan during the Chinese Civil War, the Kuomintang political party and Republic of China were able to hold out in Taiwan. With mainland China now part of the People’s Republic of China, the preservation of this strategic ally in the region meant that the Republic of China would receive large deliveries of American surplus equipment to build up the Republic of China Army and prevent a potential invasion attempt by the People’s Liberation Army. Despite international setbacks, such as the international recognition of the PRC and exclusion of the ROC from the UN in October 1971, the republic remained a staunch US ally. From the mid-1970s onward, serious attempts at creating armored fighting vehicles would be started within Taiwan, likely due to the fear of weapons becoming more difficult to import due to the warming up of PRC-US relations. These attempts generally started by combining parts of different American vehicles. One of these would be the Wan Cheng 2 (萬乘二), combining a modified M113A1 hull with an M24 turret.
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@Huy-G-Le 5 месяцев назад

M113 APC: Exist. Every countries on Earth: *Slaps some turret from some outdated tanks on.*

@shaider1982 5 месяцев назад

Reminds me of the Philippine Army adding Scorpion turrets to M113s.

@bryansammis998 5 месяцев назад

Remember the Australian army added a Saladin turret to the M113 during Vietnam.

@petergray2712 5 месяцев назад

@@bryansammis998ARVN added M8 Greyhound turrets to a small number of their M113s.

@HerrZenki 5 месяцев назад

products of necessity and circumstances s'all

@ALV694 5 месяцев назад

Is scorpion turret 90mm

@yousuck785why 5 месяцев назад

I wish my country had better equipment

@kawaiiarchive357 5 месяцев назад

Basically how you'd draw a cartoon tank to keep the animation frames simple.

@misolgit69 5 месяцев назад

When the British Army 'retired' the Fox armoured car some turrets got placed onto 'retired' Scorpion CRVT to make the Saber others were grafted onto FV 432s to create the Fox on a Box concept I have absolutely no idea of the level of official approval for these constructions but they're certainly interesting and show a way of prolonging the service life of AFVs/APCs

@gunner678 5 месяцев назад

The 432 with various turrets was for opfor at Warminster

@misolgit69 5 месяцев назад

AH I had wondered @gunner678

@billballbuster7186 5 месяцев назад

Well neither of those conversions worked well, the Sabre had issues which meant its front line service was only about 2 years before it was packed off to the Yeomanry. While FV432/30 was only used by Berlin Brigade.

@christineshotton824 5 месяцев назад

There is a strong desire among frontline troops to have fire support in the form of mobile bulletproof boxes mounting a big boomstick, regardless of whether or not the analysts say it's obsolete.

@tadget0566 5 месяцев назад

@@billballbuster7186I was going to say the same thing the 432 with the Fox turret was in service when I was in in the late 80’s the Sabre didn’t appear till the 2000’s

@paulsteaven 5 месяцев назад

You know that your APC design is so good if you can also put a tank turret on it.

@iivin4233 5 месяцев назад

Someone needs to design an upper deck/floor to bolt onto the roof so that brave Filipino and Ukrainian roof riders can be safe from mines and small arms at the same time.

@bruhbruh3847 5 месяцев назад

@@iivin4233what??

@michaelhowell2326 5 месяцев назад

At first glance, maybe. The M113 is not a good combat vehicle. It's a battle taxi or box car. Me strapping a cannon to a Ferrari doesn't make ita good idea. But a 113 with an AT gun is better than just a guy with a slingshot.

@nunyabidness3075 5 месяцев назад

@@michaelhowell2326Yep, everybody loves the M113 until they are assigned to one after the shooting starts. It’s a value buy.

@niklasquill4229 5 месяцев назад

Gaijin when?

@copter2000 5 месяцев назад

The best they can do is another M4 variant (this one got a different variant of radio!)

@RedXlV 5 месяцев назад

Both tank games ought to add this thing. In World of Tanks, it would close that weird Tier 5 gap in the Chinese light tank line. And in War Thunder, the China tree has so many copy-pastes that *every* indigenous creation is a must-have.

@ДималонОсобай 5 месяцев назад

Concept M113/M24 Light tank BR 3,7 or 4,3 :/ Movement dynamics like overweighted m113 and M24 turret without brownings

@JGCR59 5 месяцев назад

At 1:45 you see Madame Chiang at the side of the Generalissimo. She died in the US in 2003 at the ripe age of 105, the last surviving stateswoman of WW2

@dspserpico 3 месяца назад

She came from a wealthy Christian family in Shanghai and spoke impeccable English even before attending Wesleyan College in Georgia. Despite all that, when she arrived in the United States to start her studies at Wesleyan, she was refused entry into the United States and she avoided deportation and made it to Georgia in time to start college only through intense lobbying by American missionary organizations who knew her family well. She spent her final years in the Upper East Side of Manhattan, not much different than her wealthy neighbors, except that she spoke English with a bit of a southern drawl.

@brianlinke1856 2 месяца назад

@@dspserpicoMadame CHIANG KAI-SHEK was sometimes called by members of the US Congress "Madame Cash My Check"

@threestrikes971 5 месяцев назад

Mike Sparks ultimate killing machine

@MFitz12 5 месяцев назад

Ah, good ol' Sparky. Wonder how he's doing these days.

@Balrog2005 5 месяцев назад

@@MFitz12 Imagining newd delirious ways of using the M113, maybe now the ultimate submarine/APC combo.

@MFitz12 5 месяцев назад

@@Balrog2005 - Do you suppose Sparky is _still_ a 2lt?

@shaider1982 5 месяцев назад

Meh, doesn't have the flight package🤣

@c3aloha 5 месяцев назад

Needs amphibious kit

@ditzydoo4378 5 месяцев назад

The M-113 is basically the Swiss Army knife of the tracked world. It lends itself to modification and upgrade with ease. It will be around in one form or other for decades to yet come.

@jacaredosvudu1638 5 месяцев назад

M-113 is everything

@EdyAlbertoMSGT3 5 месяцев назад

I dont think its as much of it being good for modding as it is that everyone had it and everyone also needed to modify it for one reason or another

@Galaxy-oy4nj Месяц назад

Tracked APCs in general. Look at what Russian soldiers and pro-Russian separatists do with MT-LBs

@ditzydoo4378 Месяц назад

@@Galaxy-oy4nj So true.

@luvr381 5 месяцев назад

"Everybody Wan Cheng tonight..."

@tadget0566 5 месяцев назад

The 75mm of the M24 had a better high explosive round than the 76mm of the M41. This is why the French put M24 turret’s on AMX chassis rather than the standard 75mm AMX 13 for fire support

@michaelho1041 5 месяцев назад

Taiwan retains its official name “the Republic of China” only because neither the United States nor the People’s Republic of China allows Taiwan to change its official name to Taiwan.

@LukeBunyip 5 месяцев назад

Gotta say, I like the ADF's M113 FSVs

@michaelmanning5379 5 месяцев назад

Everybody Wan Cheng tonight. (I date myself)

@thurin84 5 месяцев назад

everybody have gun tonight everybody have gun tonight everybody wan cheng tonight everybody have gun tonight everybody wan cheng tonight.

@AllMightyKingBowser 5 месяцев назад

Holy shit I always thought of why wouldn't any engineer put a turret on a M113 chassis since it has been so very well tested, and look what I see now! lol I wonder if its still possible to develop a specially purposed turret for it tho, I have always seen capable and roomy APC designs as very good candidates to develop easy armored fighting vehicles. Not full blown tanks, but capable IFV.

@gunner678 5 месяцев назад

The Dutch Belgians and Turks all have 113s with turrets making a very successful IFV. A lot have been sent to Ukraine, all doing good service.

@yaya_is_real 5 месяцев назад

@@gunner678 >all doing good service.

@stupidburp 5 месяцев назад

At this point it would make sense to use a remotely operated turret such as CROWS. Put an automatic grenade launcher, heavy machine gun, or minigun on it. Relatively low investment and low weight added to keep it nimble. Need to keep mobility good otherwise it defeats the point of a light armored tracked box and would be better off with a truck instead.

@rhedosaurus2251 5 месяцев назад

I still say that this hybrid tank reminds me of the light tank from the very first two Command & Conquer games: Tiberian Dawn and Red Alert.

@michaelhowell2326 5 месяцев назад

Everybody have fun tonight When I take the Weng Chung to fight.

@WeiChangLo 5 месяцев назад

Greetings and applause from Taiwan. Great content you've made! I'd like to add some supplementary information regarding the title of the project, 萬乘. The second character actually has two pronunciations in Chinese. One is "chéng", meaning "to ride", "to chase" or "to multiply (numbers)". The other is the meaning used here, referring to the unit of counting chariots (i.e., it is a numeral classifier for chariots), actually is pronounced as "shèng". So as a whole it is "wàn shèng".

@SpeedDemon_Editzzz 5 месяцев назад

Finally some new Metal Shit🗿💪🔥💯

@seanmcardle 5 месяцев назад

Every body Wan Cheng tonight.

@allanalopez1756 5 месяцев назад

Am I the only one who thinks it looks a little bit like the Bradley before the Bradley is the Bradley we have at home 😂😂😂😂😅😅😊 ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@oldphart-zc3jz 2 месяца назад

APC are deathtraps by failing to be IFV but were designed for a nuclear war that never happened. Their high mobility coerces use as IFV despite their feeble armor. Both Viet Nam (who still use their inherited M113) and Australia wisely used them where heavy IFV simply cannot go (swamps, rice paddies) because there is no practical way to carry heavy loads without tracks in such terrain. The US of course got great use of them in the Viet Nam conflict because mobility of heavy weapons is more pragmatically important in jungle combat than reducing risk to crew by making an unusably heavy vehicle. Like the M2 "Purple Heart Box" halftrack in WWII they were vastly better than nothing.

@jomin86nian 5 месяцев назад

Finally, someone who knows the real situation and status quo of Republic of China (Taiwan)🇹🇼🇹🇼🇹🇼

@ComradeMP187 5 месяцев назад

The franken tank I rather like is the Cuban BTR with the modified T-55 turret.

@unclenoidentity186 5 месяцев назад

Everybody Wan Cheng tonight

@cartmanrlsusall 4 месяца назад

The m113 is a versatile platform it can carry a lot of weight and its reliability is legendary

@tasjan9190 5 месяцев назад

4:56 Looks like a great concept. Especially for the time period that was first introduced. Great job Australia.

@jayfelsberg1931 5 месяцев назад

Not sure it's a Frankentank, but the Norway modernization of the M24

@HbEthan. 4 месяца назад

The Chaffee varient looks like a fat m5 Stuart

@northumbriabushcraft1208 5 месяцев назад

Id love to see a video on the Singaporean AMX-13-105 and the Singaporean CRVT with a 90mm cockerill gun. I think they are great conversions. Great video! This is a tank ive never seen and im a proper tank nerd. Off to bovington tommorow to go to the tank museum on Saturday haha 😊

5 месяцев назад

There really doesnt seem to be any turret/Gun/Missile/Rocket that hasnt been experimentally installed on an M113 :) Nice Video

@diablohernandez6040 5 месяцев назад

Not gonna lie this looks amazing

@erichuang2553 2 месяца назад

Not bad at all

@zadzad4353 5 месяцев назад

I ❤ the looks off taiwanese M113 with chaffe turrets and Aussies M113 with scorpions.. I respected their military engineer ingenuity to improved their AFV with limited budgets. Makes M113 Looks cooler and with their upgunned M113 will surely can give good fire support to infantries, M113 crews can defend itself better and helps bolster taiwanese defensive fire power. Just like having a bunch off M2 Bradleys..

@dcwaewdscvfesvf6542 5 месяцев назад

M113 with M24 turret, Ok I think I seem everything

@evobsm2328 5 месяцев назад

Gaijin: and i see this as an absolute win

@CKL-mayaw 5 месяцев назад

64式我比較喜歡

@alessiodecarolis 5 месяцев назад

For the M41's hull with the M18's turret, it's a strange conversion, given how more powerful was the M41's original gun, both had the 76mm, but M41's one was more modern and powerful, plus the turret of it was totally enclosed and better protected.

@genericpersonx333 5 месяцев назад

Mind, the hulls were sourced from M42 Duster, 40mm AA platforms, not the M41 tank. Taiwan had M18 turrets and weapons, the US Army was selling M42s cheap at the time, and so Taiwan saw the Type 64 as a way to get more use out of the still viable M18 components. Also was good practice for their developing domestic tank industry which was looking to be based primarily off derivatives of the M41.

@dy031101 5 месяцев назад

In the past ROCA still had the ultimate goal of military reclamation of Mainland China, and light tanks were more maneuverable in Mainland's southern region & would have thus been useful not only for reconnaissance but also infantry fire support whereas more-powerful tanks like the M48 were expected to see relatively limited use until the reclamation pushed into the Central Plains.

@gunner678 5 месяцев назад

Aussies with Saladin turrets

@mace085 5 месяцев назад

I had a hotwheels toy of this

@agrimensor6406 2 дня назад

Can they not just modernized M11A3? Fitted with 25mm chain gun, dual ATGM and added protection from ERA and APS, its economical but efficient and effective IFV....

@simonforget280 5 месяцев назад

Another odd combination: the 6x6 Cougar the Canadian Forces fielded in the 70s and 80s. Keep up your excellent work!

@stevebutters306 5 месяцев назад

You can build this in Cursed Tank Simulator and then give it a twin 30mm off the Terminator or just plop a TOW launcher in the turret.

@ComfortsSpecter 5 месяцев назад

They Wanted an IFV So They Made Their Own Highly Respectable

@Vibakari 5 месяцев назад

Gajin gimme

@bryansammis998 5 месяцев назад

Anybody want to be that this will end up on WoTB??

@anthonylewis679 5 месяцев назад

@0.25 is that a panther with a panzer iv turret ??

@rubberwoody 5 месяцев назад

worldoftanks.com/en/tankopedia/51473-G32_PzV_PzIV/

@genericpersonx333 5 месяцев назад

Yes. The story appears to be that it was literally just the non-functioning turret of a wrecked Panzer IV sitting on the hull of a bergepanther (a turretless Panther hull used for recovery purposes) to disguise its use as an improvised command vehicle for a German battalion. By putting a "turret" on the turretless bergepanther, the hope was the enemy would consider it just another tank among the many, instead of the battalion commander's personal vehicle to be prioritized.

@ComradeMP187 5 месяцев назад

Single field conversion called "Berge-Panther mit aufgesetztem Pz.Kpfw.IV turm als Befehlspanzer". A Bregepanther (recovery vechicle) had a turret from a Panzer IV H mounted in the hull opening permenantly. The turret did not rotate and the gun is a dummy with no breech. Was used as a command vehicle.

@Saturnus_Ouranos 5 месяцев назад

It was in 0:25 not 0.25, lol

@anthonylewis679 5 месяцев назад

@@Saturnus_Ouranos Well.......that cleared THAT up😂

@brianlinke1856 2 месяца назад

"There was finally recognition of China as a great power at the FOREIGN MINISTERS CONFERENCE in 1943. CHIANG KAI-SHEK was at last the acknowledged equal of FDR, CHURCHILL and STALIN. Chiang would now attend the Cairo Conference. Chiang would need Stilwell more than ever here to carry the burden of military planning and logistics in a show before the ALLIED COMBINED CHIEFS...a task for which the Chinese staff WAS NOT ADEQUATE. In addition, Chiang's virtually putting a monetary price on his continuing in the war aided increasing disenchantment". From the book .... The Am. Experience in China by Barbara Tuchman. Madame CHIANG KAI-SHEK was sometimes called by members of the US Congress "Madame Cash My Check"

@Huckleberry68 Месяц назад

30-06 and 7.62 are two different cartridges I'm guessing this was a typo ?

@freedomgundam95 5 месяцев назад

EVERYBODY WAN CHENG TONIGHT

@philb2085 Месяц назад

Thanks! I'm trying to cut back on my spending and now I will have to model all of these 😁

@MFitz12 5 месяцев назад

Not sure why this McGuyver has _gained notoriety_ since they only built one.

@WinterroSP 5 месяцев назад

When you take your Chaffee to McDonald’s

@donovannotmyname7306 5 месяцев назад

Wasn't there a US concept that put a 90mm turret on some M113s?

@haiderameen2963 5 месяцев назад

Well it looks nice

@afmo500 5 месяцев назад

Heh, 'with Chaffee charicteristics'. Nice name.

@ndfgaming6824 4 месяца назад

God dammit not even the m113 is safe from the "nato hump"

@slobodanmitic1354 5 месяцев назад

Bosnian T-55 with M-18 turret.

@cartmanrlsusall 4 месяца назад

😮it would make a good platform for the bob semple a2

@TheNewOrder-DaysOfConflict 5 месяцев назад

Don't let Gayjin The Snail see this

@jamesanakin 5 месяцев назад

They got the GTA vice city tank.

@thepartypikachu 5 месяцев назад

Rallying Gaijin with this one!!!

@thefunnyfritz4035 Месяц назад

Gaijin, please

@edizaplatic2784 5 месяцев назад

send this to Gajin

@starwarsfan5492 Месяц назад

gaijin when....

@JGCR59 5 месяцев назад

Chaffee Gavin ;)

@matthewjones39 5 месяцев назад

now put wings on it

@PopeRocket 5 месяцев назад

Remember that APC, Gavin, you picked on in Highschool? He's an IFV now.

@ComfortsSpecter 5 месяцев назад

Amazing Work Great Presentation 9:40 You Sure That’s 30-06?

@billballbuster7186 5 месяцев назад

I would imagine the Wan Chung would have been dangerously top-heavy as the M-24 steel turret would have been a good deal heavier than the Saladin and Scorpion turrets used on the Australian M-113s. The entire Scorpion light tank being only 7.5 tons compared to the M-24's 20 tons.

@warhawk4494 5 месяцев назад

Gaijin when?

@ReviveHF 5 месяцев назад

Snail I want this.

@farrazaulia2917 5 месяцев назад

Cool video man

@comentedonakeyboard 5 месяцев назад

I am surprised that the Soviets did not step in as Taiwans arms supplier if necessary via proxy

@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044 5 месяцев назад

In the late 60s and early 70s when the Soviets were feeling out love with China and in turn Taiwan was feeling out of love with the USA they had some discrete trade in materials and items but nothing military it seemed

@lindsaybaker9480 5 месяцев назад

Israel built in the 1980’s I think it was a M-113 with a long barrel 60mm gun. Might have only got to prototype stage.

@Robin6512 5 месяцев назад

Israel had the zelf with 60mm version. So did Brazil and Argentina

@christineshotton824 5 месяцев назад

It is basically a sound idea and, had the Taiwanese been dealing with a case of having many more M113s than they needed, it would have made a lot of sense. As it was, however, keeping the limited number of M113s as APCs was probable the best idea.

@Darkel45 5 месяцев назад

Tanmk be like:

@Earliersphere 5 месяцев назад

Oh hey looks like a Warhammer 40k Predator and Whirlwind tank. Neat vid

@LuigianoMariano 5 месяцев назад

This is the exact same logic that converted the Rhino APC into the Predator Tank.

@c3aloha 5 месяцев назад

Wan Cheng Gavin 😂

@mr.imperial8721 Месяц назад

5:07

@kakakiri2601 5 месяцев назад

Even to this day turkey actually use this hulll to something similar

@TanksEncyclopediaYT 5 месяцев назад

That's actually based on a further development of the M113, the AIFV.

@kakakiri2601 5 месяцев назад

@@TanksEncyclopediaYT so it's a bit different?

@lezardvaleth2304 5 месяцев назад

EVERYBODY WANG CHENG TONIGHT

@mathewkelly9968 5 месяцев назад

I love how Nationalist China is portrayed as some benign Liberal Democracy ......... And them having the seat in the UN was always laughable , would be like Puerto Rico claiming the US's seat 😂

@Mustache_Sam 5 месяцев назад

Ah yes, the Taiwan meme tank.

@neurofiedyamato8763 5 месяцев назад

Got to give a like for the title alone

@gaunterodimm4365 5 месяцев назад

3.7 rank 3 I believe......

@Luck00001 5 месяцев назад

Yes officer it’s stock

@Nicolas-zw5ex 5 месяцев назад

Hot Wheels Battle Tank

@justsomehaatonpassingby4488 5 месяцев назад

Gaijin when..

@nunyabidness3075 5 месяцев назад

Did I miss the reason they even tried? Were Chaffee hull parts no longer available or something?

@nunyabidness3075 5 месяцев назад

@@rubberwoody And you cannot use the Wang Chong 2 as an APC either. So, why?

@rubberwoody 5 месяцев назад

@@nunyabidness3075 i think the video says it?

@nunyabidness3075 5 месяцев назад

@@rubberwoody The video says they moved the engine to the back so the ramp cannot be used. That leaves only the front bay for passengers, and he says that hatch is also not used. So, it’s not going to be useful as an APC if the driver’s hatch is how the dismounts come and go, lol.

@rubberwoody 5 месяцев назад

@@nunyabidness3075 the video explains why the modification was done around 4:10. Chaffee hulls and parts were obsolete, worn out, and becoming difficult to maintain. The m113 was modern and more widely available. The chaffee's gun was still useful.

@nunyabidness3075 5 месяцев назад

@@rubberwoody Ah, thanks for finding that. Sounds kind of reasonable.

@rgriffinRETIRED_SHEEPDOG 5 месяцев назад

Great video!!!

@fernandoferreira-do8vh 5 месяцев назад

viva la República Popular China, la verdadera China continental, formosa es una provincia rebelde

@TewaAya 5 месяцев назад

Warthunder next free portion battle pass tank. better than wehraboos or russian objekt "fictional" ground battles lineup.

@NeocadeX 2 месяца назад

Theyre not the republic of china.

@erichuang2553 2 месяца назад

They are ROC and also Taiwan 🇹🇼. No doubt.

@papalegba6796 5 месяцев назад

Looks completely useless

@jon-paulfilkins7820 5 месяцев назад

Don't look at is a tank, more a STuG for the modern age. Think fire support in an M113 mounted mechanised platoon/company. Keeps your logistics and routine maintenance simpler than if you mixed in a separate vehicle type. Also despite the costs of modifying it, still cheaper than a propper tank.

@papalegba6796 5 месяцев назад

@@jon-paulfilkins7820 I prefer to think of it as useless. Because it is 😂

@Balrog2005 5 месяцев назад

@@papalegba6796 Look at the terrain in Taiwan...it's just mobile firepower and light.

@RedXlV 5 месяцев назад

For what Taiwan was facing at the time, it would've been a potentially useful fire support vehicle. Like they said, the first wave of any Chinese invasion would've been amphibious light tanks whose armor would be very much vulnerable to a Chafee's 75mm gun. Along with infantry, against whom gun that can fire high explosive firing gun is useful. If their Chafees were worn out and didn't have a proper replacement in the pipeline, the idea of mounting the turrets on something else as a stopgap made sense. It's just that they didn't have enough M113 hulls to spare for it to be worthwhile.

@c3aloha 5 месяцев назад

@@papalegba6796the M5 Stuarts of Kinmen disagree