Update: I finally got the project to render on the PC. Interestingly I just disabled Resizable BAR and it rendered in 19 min 21 sec. I think the system was just flooding the VRAM with too much data all at once.
@@ElevatedSystems I have the exact same issues with my RTX 3060 Ti. During render it crashes Resolve. Totally unuseable. My Resizable BAR was already disabled so I decided to turn it on to see if it has any affect. On the MAC side this never happens.
This is awesome and very useful. Much appreciated. I'm stuck buying the MBPM2 16" one step above base to avoid the dreaded, but probably not important SSD cripple. I need the better screen to help my eyes. But this is so great to see you even got into fusion. My current Macbook M1Air gets completely useless on those. Great info and thank you!
14:25 reasoned like a true professional! Well done, subbed! Pragmatically it looks like Resolve is now optimized for the Mac ARM computers more than for PC, hope Blackmagic made the right decision if this is the case.
Shooting on high-end camera systems and then thinking of editing on mid-tier computer systems is such a good point. It should be balanced. Great video! I've thought of switching to a mac, this was helpful
Thanks a lot for your video ! I'm a DoP as well as a colorist and I use a mac mini m1 with 16gb since it's launch, and it has been great ! I need to drop the timeline resolution to 1/4 on my grading projects because of the amount of nodes and effects but works good enough. The only downside is that the export time takes a lot, so i was looking for a replacement, because as you said, for us working professionals, time is money ! I was considering going for the base mac mini m2 pro but seeing the export times, made me realize that it will be better to spend a couple more and go for the Studio.... Well, i might just wait for the m2 max studio version to get the best of both worlds, thanks a lot for your video !
I was with you - last March if they had offered the Mac mini Pro - I would have grabbed it in a heartbeat. Instead they released the Mac Studio and it took me 5 mins before I ordered the Mac Studio base unit and traded in my Mac mini on it to soften the $$ blow. I have been happy ever since. All I can say about the Mac mini pro is it is 9 months or so too late. I have the MacBook Pro 14" as my road computer. But in the end - The Mac Studio is a beast and handles everything. Thanks for this review - definitely an honest evaluation using Resolve which I use exclusively,.
In today's cost, that's a $900 pc. The 13500 with igpu and a 4070ti would match the Mac mini cost and give a huge performance boost over your current pc setup. Not sure it's a fair test given it's the cheapest 13gen cpu
This video is fab. Both as a review is the M2 Mac Mini, but also a great behind the scenes look at how your videos & common effects come together. It’s encouraging me to have to a go at some video editing :)
IIRC the Nvidia encoder affects the finial quality of the output. Footage modified in Handbrake and exported via NVENC looked significantly worse than a CPU only render. Can anyone confirm that this would be the case with Divinci as well?
You can't compare the two, as the way Handbrake and DR uses the NVENC differently. My experience is, that if you render out to a low bitrate, Handbrake does it better, than DR, and with higher bitrate, DR does it better. But you can do your own testing with FFMetrics. Im just curious why you would compare Handbrake to DR, as they do different things.
I had a similar problem with davinci failing on clips with NR. I found that lowering the number of frames that davinci has to analyze for NR fixed the issue for me. Not ideal but at least it finished the project.
You can just right-click the clip and choose "Render in place". Then that clip will be pre-rendered. Or right-click the node in the color page with the NR and enable caching.
Do you think will be the same mac mini pro M2 compared to macbookpro with M2, im looking for versatility to travel but i have the macmini 2014 with i7 and 32 gb ram, and i need to update more power...do you recommended the mini or macbook model?
AT LAST ... video that compares M2 Mini to a PC. Instant sub. I got exactly same problem with my PC (having 8GB of VRAM). I cannot render 2 advanced nodes on 1 clip at once (for example, denoize and deflicker, or deflicker and Dehancer). Which is annoying. So I'm looking for better editing station. And the choice is not so obvious. I can upgrade my PC with RTX 4090 (24GB of vram) for ~1500$. But not sure my CPU won't be a limiting factor. I can get M2 Pro, but then not sure how much RAM I need ... for reasonable M2 the price goes up to 2300$ (we got them more expensive here in Poland). Then it becomes close to M2 Pro or Max Mac Book Pro ... eh ... Hard choice :(. Do you got Dehancer plugin for Resolve? I cannot find any reliable source to see how it works on apple silicion especially M2 :(.
My card is a 2070 super with 8gb of RAM and I do not get that issue. I did get that error when trying to do an edit where the source clips were on a slower drive. Video editing is not generally CPU intensive except for bursts, I would recommend a 4070/4080 rather than a 4090, but make sure you have a resasonable CPU and good storage (biggest issue with resolve in my experience), also try to have 16gb ram or more. Yeah M1/M2 are very expensive here in Australia too, it would be about $4900 to get one comparable to my current system without a monitor and ignoring the storage I have. My current system is prolly only worth ~$1500-2000 now.
@@slipoch6635 I have checked with task manager (performance tab), and when I get this error my "dedicated GPU Memory" is full. Not sure what for "shared GPU memory" is, but it seems to be irrelevant for this error. I edit from USB3 SSD (t5) or Sata connected SSD via USB3 (Atomos Drive), from local NVMe (5GB/s) drive or from NAS. It does not matter for this error. If VRAM is depleted I still got it regardless the source of footage. I've checked how much RAM is taken when I render simple clips with some color grades (Dehancer based) and it's more than 16GB of system RAM and up to 8 GB of VRAM (or more and I get the error) - same case if running denoise + deflicker or denoise + some advanced grades. I hope on MAC this ram is taken once, so 16GB should be enough. And I hope it can actually swap that RAM so even if it's slower it will still render ... I've ordered cheapest M2 Mini to see if this is a case. I can return it within 14 days if I'm not happy, so will see. Guess ordinary M2 will be slower than my ryzen 7 2700X and RTX 2070. But I have to check it myself :D. If I'm happy with Mac I can order something better. I'm afraid I have to upgrade power supply, mother board and CPU for RTX 4090, so final cost will be close to specked M2 Macbook Pro.
@@JoATTech hmmm, I am running a 3900XT, 32GB of RAM and a 2070 super and I'm not getting this issue (although I did previously until I forced windows to use RAM rather than swap space) I wouldn't bother with the 4090, the 40 series cards are nothing special compared to the 30x series except they take less power. And the 4090 will speed up 3d and stuff like that, but I doubt it would be much of a gain over the 3070 as the cards are not really designed for video editing, but for games. It sounds like the version of resolve you are using may have a memory leak (I haven't updated in quite a while), I've had a few of those on occasion in DR. So it's possible they have buggered something up and it doesn't swap out quick enough or just chews through all the RAM until it dies. (memory bandwidth or maybe pci bandwisdth from usb drives on the MB maybe) It is also possible that they assumed people would be using high-memory quaddro & firepro cards and programmed for a base that exceeds ours, but it doesn't explain why mine works. It also doesn['t explain the bahviour where it always dies at the same point because at any given time more or less memory will be allocated, but a memory leak would explain this. Might have to drop them an email. The Mac should work, as I said in another post, it is one ecosystem and Apple will have them signed to a contract that says it must work on the air with no memory etc. So I would say it will be fine, One thing I didn't think of, I am running the nvidia studio drivers, that may make a difference. I assume you have done the paging and graphics changes (like manually setting CUDA?) here: videowithjens.com/davinci-resolve-your-gpu-memory-is-full-solutions/#Change-DaVinci-GPU-Configuration-Settings
@@slipoch6635 Thanks for the suggestions. The problem is there from Resolve 16 (through all version of 17 and 18), so it's not that particular version. I guess it's more a problem with Dehancer plugin, but sometimes when using Film Convert + some other intensive OFXes I got this too. Usually I got 1 clip on the timeline, sometimes 2. But seems VRAM usage is the same no matter how many clips are staked on the timeline. I always got the newest Nvidia Studio Drivers cause I do not game at all. So whenever there new version of Resolve I install newest Nvidia Studio Drivers. I got Resolve set to Auto in GPU tab, but it was Auto = CUDA. I've just changed it to manual CUDA, will see if this makes a difference. My windows used 0 swap since I got 32GB of RAM, but I will check paging settings too (not sure I've changed it like that or not. Probably not on this windows instance, but I tried it before and there was not difference). My guess is the most problematic is Dehancer plugin, because if I turn it off in most cases problem disappears. - and for 4k/6k they recommend 12GB VRAM graphics card. I use 4k timelines mostly, but playback is set to Half resolution. I considered RTX 3090 but after watching Gerald's Undone review of 40X0 series 4090 seems like better feature proof choice. And it's more power efficient than 3090/TI, and we got very expensive power lately here in Poland. Seems my cheap mac is being dispatched soon, since they just charged my credit card. Wonder how good/bad will be the experience :D. Now I'm downloading new version of Resolve and new Studio drivers, but I doubt it will help, cause what I've seen that every new version of Resolve got biggest hardware requirements and seems every time more memory is eaten even by empty timeline.
As a professional video editor is m2 mac mini 8 Core CPU and 10 Core GPU with 24gb ram and 512 GB SSD is a better option than m2 mac mini pro 10 Core CPU and 16 Core GPU 16gb RAM and 512 GB SSD for BRAW 4k/6k video editing ? please let me know that!
What would you truly recommend for someone editing a full feature project shot on h.265 Long GOP from Panasonic? A Mac mini 2 pro, Mac Studio or a PC with i7 10700k + RTX 3080 10gb? Or would all of these work similar other than export time? Thanks
If your going to be doing a lot of noise reduction, optical flow, motion text, or using the AI engine in Resolve, the 10gb of Vram may cause you problems. It will run Resolve fantastically if you don't run out of Vram, but when you do it hurts. Also if your going to stick with pc make sure you pair the NVidia graphics card with a CPU that has an integrated graphics card. Intel chip starting with 11th gen has built in H.265 decoders that make editing the files easy. If you don't have those decoders it can be a problem. Intel chips with the a "F" in the model number DO NOT have the IGPU. DO NOT get a F model if you want to video edit. BTW I am a Panasonic user (GH6, G9, S5, and now S52) and run an 11th gen intel with a 8gb 3070. Runs great unless I use to many effects and run out of Vram. Then I have to jump through hoops to get around the issue.
@jessecumberledge4530 I am looking to buy a better pc for video editing. What would you say would be a better choice? Mac pro m2 mini or i5-13500, 32GB DDR4 Ram, 1TB SSD, RTX 4070 12GB? I was more leaning towards the 2nd Option but the only thing that's giving me slight doubts is the crashing issue. I am currently using a Macbook and in 1.5 years it hasn't frozen on me or restarted once. But I used to have issues with freezing and crashes on my windows pc 2 years ago. What would you go for out of the two options?
you save maybe $30 bucks with the 13400f processor but you lost 30% performance. when apple brag about their prores enocoder decoder it looks awesome, but intel also put some extra encoder and decoder. seem no one even care. if you care about editing never ever buy f model.
I just retired after 40 years as a system and silicon designer and then manager of design teams for PC and PC components. This is the best real life test I ever seen for audio-video applications and it proves the true that all the pro already knew. Thank you for your hard work.
Hey, thanks for your comment. I was here just to briefly take a look on comparison results, since I've already watched plenty of videos about M2 cpus and I'm kind of tired of them. But after your comment I realized that I've missed something between intro and results. You were absolutely right, full video is brilliant. Thank you once again and even more thanks to the author
Dude, you're the only reviewer I'm gonna trust going forward. This was incredible. Our studio has run on Macs for 14 years but we're not entirely happy with Apple's current direction. As we consider PC's for the first time, just hearing the word crash is off-putting. 14 years. No crashes. Granted, a more powerful PC would've handled it, but still something to keep in mind as we move forward. Oh! Also! All these RU-vidrs just test export performance - when studios could care less. We export overnight. Watching you actually edit was so so helpful!! Thank You!
While I am long-term PC user and I would never buy Apple for my personal use, the stability of the systems used in video production is unbelievable - running weeks no restart, working with large networked storage arrays, etc. I believe it's not really about the HW, but only about the fact that there is less variability in Mac than in PC and therefore a bit easier for the devs to catch the exceptional cases - such as the demoed workflow here in the video. But if you are a pro and your time translate directly to money, one crash on specific place in timeline might make all the difference between nice revenue and painful loss. Good luck in your business!
@@Teluric2 with pcs and the millions of different parts and drivers and combinations available, there’s always a higher risk of crashes. indeed, one can create the right combination of everything and you get a super stable pc.. but getting that combination right takes knowledge and a bit of luck.
He could also just have used Puget Systems DaVinci Resolve benchmark test. It does the same. Difference is, he don't get the feeling on how smooth the timeline runs. But unlike his test, you can be assured, every benchmark does exactly the same.
In Europe PC Mac Studio M1 Max 10Core GPU 24C 64GB costs 3200 euros. For that price you can buy an Intel 13700K with RTX 4080 64GB 3 TB RAM 6000Hz. And of course in a couple of years the PC can be redesigned: a new processor and a better graphics card. But with PC Mac Studio there is nothing you can do, you can only resell it if they buy it. Mac Studio M1 good not a big PC, but you also need to take into account the fact that now developing neural networks and how it will work with these applications is not clear. Just slicing video and substituting text does not need a computer for a few thousand, if you have DaVinci you should already use all the features. That's why you need a serious machine for work or hobby. Thank you for the video.
Yeah, I was considering a Mac Studio last year. Unfortunately the lead time was about half a year at that point for the configuration I wanter. I ended up buying a PC with practically better specs and save a 1000 euros or so. I'm very happy with my purchase. Neural network stuff works as well or maybe even better on an RTX, right?
To be honest, in the PC there is also not much you can do. After, let's say 2-3 years, if you would like to upgrade, you will have to buy new processor, probably new MOBO, because of the new processor standard. New graphic card if you want to. Also, you have to buy new power supply, bcs the old one is for sure too weak to handle new processor and graphic card. You will have to probably buy new RAM, bcs of the new standard or even not to bottleneck processor and graphic card. So you are now left only with old SSD. Of course, if you would like to upgrade RAM or SSD it will be cheaper. Later, you can sell old parts or keep it. The same with Apple products, which, however, hold the price for a long time and you can sell
@@dominik.malyszka I have never quite understood why people are ready to pay so much for used macs that usually can't be repaired if something breaks. Also at this point the resell value of most Intel Macs is approaching zero. Do we know yet when will Apple kill x86 support?
@@hbp_ Dunno, people like to overpay for new macs with better specs for sake of "future proofing" yet not considering that in 3 years new macs will be faster for less money they spent. Now it's better to upgrade each 18 months and sell old mac. Resell value will still be high and people will still pay same price yearly for using computer Edit. Forgot to mention that this way you have Apple warranty almost all the time (2/3 time you have mac)
I was considering going back to using Windows, but I've been using Mac for over 12 years. I work with video, and DaVinci never crashed or had any issues. Thank you very much for reminding me to stick with Mac for my next upgrade. Hahaha Hardware isn't everything... software plays a big part in the final experience.
Just to answer the question. The RTX 3060 12GB was not a good choice for this build. It's built on a cut-down GA106 GPU with 1300 fewer CUDA cores than the GA104 in the 3060 TI, and the memory bandwidth is cut in half which means the 3060 TI actually has more memory available to the GPU in VRAM intensive tasks.
Problem with apple is that all upgrades when buying are unrealistically expensive.. 8Gb of ram upgrade cost $200!!!! ....same with 500Gb SSD upgrade...not worth it...
Kinda old video, but still... I should agree with the final thought that if you shoot on $3.5k camera and use all that fancy stuff - you should (IMO) use the best available stuff for editing and final rendering (and sure, you do, obviously, and the idea of 2 monitors, one for work, one for the result with the best possible color coverage looks great to me, better than "perfect" one which should cost more than 2 and not fit the need). So my opinion is - I should better build some decent PC instead of Macs to deal with such projects. And I could buy some spare parts, just to have parts to swap. And, you know, you could always upgrade/downgrade when you feel the need (selling the old unused stuff). For the build flaw - I've heard that Intel CPUs with efficiency cores render much faster than the ones without them (like, Ryzens). So it makes sense to have more core count And core speed, so the ideal build should have 13700k or 13900k. And yeah, 3060ti is a joke =). But ok, no complaints. (P.S. I've got 12600k+3070, it's a beast, but I don't render and, actually, don't use any 3d software, it's mainly used for drawing)
Great video! I recently priced a PC upgrade vs base M2 Pro Mini and at least here in Canada, for the same C$1800 I could get a 13700k 32GB RAM with 3070. I think it would perform much better than the M2 Pro Mini and probably better than the more expensive Mac Studio.
@@frankluo230 If it's using decent components and he has his swap space setup properly then doubtful it will crash. I haven't had a crash on resolve for 3 years under Windows. The behaviour of the issue suggests it s a software not hardware issue and this same error got me when I used to attempot to export clips that were stored on a slower spinning disk hard drive (essentially the hdd couldn't keep up with the system when processing). So @Thirsty, if you go with a PC, make sure to get decent SSDs or if you use spinning disks, RAID stripe them (I'm running stripe+mirror).
So, as right now, all I have is an iPad Pro, and using LumaFusion. i’m thinking about buying the Mac mini pro with 1 TB do you think I would have any problems editing 4K video with a little color grading? Will be using Davinci resolve.Btw Just sub..Thanks for the great video
I want to know as well. If I'm only going to be using 4k and Davinci, and using similar editing techniques as in your comparison video, will the stutters not happen because it's in 4k only? Planning to get the base M2 Pro Mini chip with 32gb ram, 1tb SSD. Thanks in advance!
After watching several reviews of the M2 Pro mini I've asked the same question --- would I have purchased the Studio Max if the Pro mini had been around at the time. I'm super happy with my Studio, but that's a big price difference. Regardless, this was an excellent real world comparison, so thanks!
I asked myself the same question and after much thought I would likely have still bought the studio. My TB ports are full with TB drives and monitors so the front ports are a god send. As much as the faster refresh rate on HDMI 2.1 might be useful if you have it at 8k it's the only monitor you can use so, well, not ideal for me. Once you up the RAMM and stuff price skews quite a bit. But for me an extra 2 efficiency cores and the single core boost would be nice but for video graphics cores matter more to me. My friend who only really does music however, well he would take the mi ni pro all day. Horses and all that. Oh and my 512gb internal absolutely smokes the mini pro if that kind of thing matters to you!
The cost difference becomes totally meaningless _if_ your are editing/grading professionally. Because just one missed day of work due to crashes (and a bug hunting hour here and there quickly adds up) will cost you more in daily rates than the extra you'd have paid for the working machine. Which is while these days, even though I've built PCs all my life, I'm doing my day to day work on a Mac. Not because I love it so much, but simply because it's more reliable in the way it behaves.
@The Handsome Life Yes and no. Linux when it comes to desktop / graphics apps has the same issues. It's more the incredible amount of hardware combinations that you can run in PC land vs the very, very small number of well defined machines in Apple land. Same reason your PS4 or Xbox does not crash too often. I do miss a number of things on Macos (e.g. I find the font rendering atrocious on non-5k-apple monitors). It's always a trade.
@@Teluric2 Sure. But it's also an entirely different use case. Apps like Resolve rely heavily on the stability of graphics drivers for example. And those can be a problem. Among other things, I was doing 3D rendering and vfx work for almost a decade. Most of it on Windows machines, and finding a stable driver version was anything but easy. Every update of any component would bring the chance of random crashes at render time. Or take Linux + nvidia cards. It's a nightmare. Again, it always depends on the use case and implementation.
Dump the 3060 and go to the 4070ti. Cost comparable with a 13500 to a m2 pro and way faster than the 3060. A sub $1k machine would work with the 3060b12gb but that's not a fair matchup if you want to have a great video editing pc
My whole life I bought pc's,each new video game required an upgrade wich costed hundreds of dollars (in my case euro's) Switching to Playstation and Xbox solved that problem. Then starting with very simple video editing on a pc. Well in 2000 that sucked so I quit. Now in 2023 I bought a mac studio. What a dream of a machine. Coming from a pc it takes time to get used too. But everything runs butter smooth. Fast and no crashes ever..love it. It's a big step af using ps's for 24 years but worth the switch. No fan noise,errors..or blue screen fatal errors..😂 Thanks for the outstanding reviews which made me switch to Mac and I'm so happy with it..regards from Holland..keep up the good work..
You rendered the timeline in 19mins on PC, which is 4mins faster than Mac Mini. Also timeline performed better on the PC. Mac Studio is in completely different price range and can't be compared to the 3060 PC. It seemed like a software issue with Davinci. Even my old laptop with RTX 2060 can handle heavy noise reduction.
I forgot to mention here, I expanded the explanation in my final conclusion video, but I also had to turn on Smart render cache and let the entire timeline cache before the final render would complete, which took over 20 minutes.
Hey I love the videos. I think you’re the closest to answering my specific use case. If you can, quick opinion. Between M2pro max mini with 16gb ram and 512 SSD and the base max studio 32GB ram and 1TB SSD. I am a web dev, so running VS code, PHP web server, 10-12 chrome tabs, photoshop, figma, and zoom at the same time (typical video call). I don’t do much video editing, although I am capable of it. Been running in an 8Gb ram intel MacBook Pro with 1 tb. I’d like to save 1,000 dollars if the m2 pro is enough. Can I get your expert opinion?
This is why I prefer using macs over pcs, PCs offer so much more but the workflow always have bugs and never seamless. Macs don't have whole lot of hardware capabilities but it irons out most hardware problems with efficient softwares integration.
What you said at the end, thank you. The amount of times I have said about the HDMI 2.1 and its 8k. If I could afford an 8k monitor and I was working with people shooting 8k then I would have more than my base macstudio, that's just one example though and again, glad you spoke the words. Looking sharp nowadays, have yourself an image consultant now??!!😉
Great video. Thorough analysis. I always come away impressed with your unlimited knowledge of whatever project you’re working on. From digital and 3D art to video editing to building PC’s, everything looks like you make your living doing just that. Have you ever said what training or degree you received that included such a broad range of professions?
For an extra $200 you could even have a i7-13700K and still be cheaper than the M2, but with almost 2x more cpu performance over the i5-13400F. Probably not going to always utilise the 13700K but that thing just destroys an M2 for audio dsp work.
I know even 13600k would be much better for only $100 more. Also, iGPU encoders and decoders in "K" CPUs can rip through h264 and h265 without any problems
@@TomasRamoska Yep. Dont get me wrong the mobile M chips from Apple are a big bang for the buck and perfect for laptops but they seem pretty underpowered against an intel or amd workstation from my use of video and audio.
The Vram issue for PC is totally real. Its a serious issue. What you have to do is right click the clips that won't render out and do "render in place" NOT saying this doesn't suck, just saying that's how you can at least get your render done. Can't believe NVidia didn't up the Vram in the 4000 series its not good. If your a heavy video editor in resolve you need at least 12 gig of vram for a 4k timeline with effects. 8 will get you in trouble if you try to do a lot of things.
@@JoATTech I am probably just going to get a 4080 or 4090. Or I can get a pre-built Dell Xps desktop with a 3090 for 2300 right now. That's a good deal and cheaper than a competitive Mac.
@Emiliano Zapata I have never had the render in place not work. Personal experience. I'm not saying you couldn't have a clip that it won't work on either. You can also do the smart render and that usually allows you to get through the render. All problems we shouldn't have to deal with. I am sure when Blackmagic made the engine, they couldn't imagine Nvidia would not up vram for the next 3 generations of graphic cards.
@@jessecumberledge4530 I opt for 4090. Seems they get cheaper by 100$ last 2 weeks (at least in my country). I've considered 4080, but It I'm afraid 16GB of vram might be not enough soon. 4090 is 42% more expensive but you get 50% more VRAM, faster memory bus and faster card overall. My only concern is how good it will work with my old mainboard and Razen 7 2700X. Guess I might have to upgrade my power supply. If I have to update mainboard or CPU (or both) then Mac Studio or M2 Macbook seems better choice.
Excellent test of real life editing workflow. M3 pro/max Mac mini, whenever it arrives, will be the best editing machine with price/performance ratio. And for really complex high end projects, forget about Mac. Just build the most expensive PC with two 4090 cards.
Hey mate, did you ever use Silicon Graphics kit back in the day ? I wonder what they would be pumping out now if they were still in business. The ARM based macs with shared memory, premium build and BSD operating system share a lot in common with SGI of old
Synthetic benchmarks have their place, but it's really valuable to see where the pain points are likely to be for various hardware setups in a real workflow.
Also worth noting that the Mac Studio is tiny, silent, and would only use around 50-60W during the render 😅 We need competition in the PC space. Discrete CPU/GPU/RAM systems need to give way to the SoC future 🙏
I would like to get the Mac studio but I want something more future proof. Do you think the Mac Studio would be good still in the long run like in 4 to 5 years? or Mac mini since the chip is more new? I'm trying to get something specifically for video editing but having a hard time deciding. 😭
My advice having supported both would be a PC, as you can generally upgrade specific components. So you could start off with a mid-level system then if you want more ram, just upgrade that bit, need a lot of HDD space, put in 8 spinning disk hard drives in RAID 10 configuration, need better 3d performance? Then the video card (or add a 265/264 card in extra for output speed). And just add as you go. If you are not comfortable with that (or getting someone reliable to build that) then long-term it will not compete as the m1/m2 are currently slower than last gen PCs and do not get the performance uplift Apple expected, so there is a limiting factor on the processor (this is why all the benches are done at equivalent wattage). Avoid laptops as the cpus in those are generally ~20% slower and you often cannot upgrade them. I'm curious to see how a multi-gpu and multi-cpu system (1 of each) would perform with resolve and if there would be any uplift.
Can I edit fully uncompressed Red Raw 26-K footage and IMAX Panavision RAW on an Amazon Firestick? Loved the video, especially the bit about using a mid-tier system for ultra high end cameras. Great stuff! Very much appreciated.
Great video! Do you have access to a fully loaded M2 pro to compare to the M1Max? I just ordered one for my LightRoom editing after seeing some LightRoom specific tests showing it beat the base studio in that type of work. The Studio almost always seems to win on video editing but I was wondering how the spec’ed out mini pro might work.
I'm doubting myself if going for a mac mini pro M2 512gb 16gb ram (1300$) or if i should for a 1500$ gaming pc with i7 12700k, 32gb DDR5 5600mhz, Asus Prime z790-A. 980 Samsung PRO 1TB SSD, RTX 3060 Asus dual, 650w.
17:00 some people they edit for companies that do in fact use those cameras and files, if you can get away with an M2 mini then it will of course safe you a lot of cost (maybe if you just finished college and are a freelancer.)
True, but as a former Freelance 3D artist I only took jobs that were congruent with my equipment. Missing a deadline or not delivering what the client hired you for is the worst outcome.
Great review! Im just about to publish my review of the Mac Studio M2 Max for videographers, photographers, and creative professionals and I LOVE the Studio with the M2 MAX chip.
you confirmed my decision to buy 3060 ti 8GB. but is it worth it to upgrade from m1 air to i5-1300F with 16Gig and 3060ti? i use basic grading on a 1080p timeline.
I am a newbie in video production. Love your videos and channel. I have a doubt. I am looking forward to release a RU-vid channel. I am a music producer. I basically want to shoot videos inside my studio which is well lighted. So I am looking to buy Sony aZV E-10 Mirrorless camera and a lens for my shooting. I want to shoot good quality 4k Videos from it, edit it and release it. So basically a Mac Mini M2 Pro (base variant 10 Core CPU, 16 Core GPU, 16 GB RAM) will handle all the 4K video editing of videos from my Sony camera? I will be doing some transitions effect and little color grading and stuffs.
The problem with PCs is that there are more variables for the developers to work around, so you can have more issues. On Apple hardware, you only have so many configurations (especially since the M-series further truncates variability); so failure is less apt to occur. People love to hate Apple, but their concept of making things that 'just work' and get out of your way so you can work, makes them great for work applications. Anyone that just wants to be able to accomplish things that make them money will eventually get the point if they use a Mac long enough. I use everything. I have various Macs running the past several versions of MacOS. I have Windows PCs running 10 & 11. I have Linux machines running various distros. The Apple products create the least amount of hassle. (Windows being the worst because of its love of spontaneously breaking things, restarting for updates, etc.) When it comes to gaming, I still use a Windows PC. When it comes to doing anything important, I use a Mac. The Linux machines are more tinker toys, and while they can be as stable as a Mac - they do have challenges with updates. (This is why sysadmins usually update only when necessary, as newer isn't always better.) Compared to 20 years ago, all of the platforms are much better.
This is why people edit video on a Mac. A creative type shouldn't need to even know what vram is. They just expect their project to render. It's my suspicion that all NLEs are written for MAC first, then PC - if they have time. Also, Pro-Res is now an industry standard. Pro-Res on a Mac is native. On a PC Pro-Res is a pain in the butt. This was a great video. I was tempted to replace my old, but high-end PC, with a MAC mini or studio. It's good to know that the PC is still good enough, despite some stability issues in certain circumstances. Most of what I do is audio, PC is good for me.
Strongly disagree. I think the Mini m1 Pro model is overpriced and weirdly positioned. When adding 10gbe and upgrade to 32gb ram, the price is equal with a base Studio model. But the M1 Max gives you way better gpu performance. Also, the ports on the front are so convenient. Maybe it's a workflow thing. But spec wise, it doesn't make sense unless you REALLY want the smallest possible device. We work off a network storage so 10gbe is a must. Also, 16gb is not enough for most of our projects. Even 32gb has been a bottleneck a couple of times. For our new editors, I'm hoping the Studio M2's will have the same price as the current model, not the huge mark up like the Macbooks. Otherwise, discounted Studio M1's look like the better option.
Hey what's the configuration of the Mac mini m2 pro on which you tested? I'm planning to buy the Mac mini 2 m2 pro with 10 core cpu, 16 core GPU, 16gb Ram and 512 GB SSD. I need to edit a full length feature film shot on prores HQ on iphone 13 pro Max. I really wish I could buy the additional 16gb ram but it's quite expensive. I have about 5tb of footage. So wondering if I'll be able to edit it comfortably in the aforementioned setup? And also will i able to do basic graphics with the same setup? Thanks for your response if you can, it would help me greatly. I'm planning to purchase soon in a couple of days if you could reply by the time it would be awesome!! Thanks
Hello. Would you recommend any Laptops over a Macbook Pro for using Davinci Ressolve? Also is it better to get the M2 for Davinci Ressolve or is M1 okay when using Davinci Ressolve? I appreciate any information. Thank you.
My studio is full of 5950x systems both on windows and Linux using DaVinci resolve. It crashed few times only with template project we have downloaded from envato, but other than that 0 crash since year. We use Sony log, and Sony raw and arri raw as footage. Our macs for Microsoft office applications because iMac is cheap and nice design.
I had the same problem for my PC it froze on the noise reduce clips, the way I solved this for the render, I change the encoding to auto instead of Nvidia:))
Wow, this is one of those videos that you save in your playlist and watch 2 or 3 times to make you've captured everything its communicating, and then you watch it *again* because there was more to learn. What an awesome video!!!! Stumbled across this on YT seeking answers to the same decision between buying the Mini M2 Pro and Studio M2 Max where my setup, workflow and skill level is similar as yours. You freaking rock, I've subscribed!!
I like what you said about mixing the camera cost to the workstation cost. I'm still on a Lumix gx80/85, h264 4k, do you think the base Mac mini with the higher ram would be an option? Using free resolve? TIA
13:21 nvidia is a scam of a company and wants you to buy quadro for vram swap support, amd and intel might have been slower vs cuda in resolve but they wouldn't have this arbitrary limitation
Absolutely fantastic review!!! I am a professional 360 virtual tour photographer, so am often dealing with very large TIFF files, and my Ryzen 9 5950X, 64GB of RAM and 8GB GPU seem to be struggling when saving images in Affinity Photo. I am scared to move to Mac, but the Mini 2 Pro has made me think seriously about jumping ship. I also use Davinci Resolve Studio for 4K RU-vid content. I may however wait for the Mac Studio M2 to be released. Would appreciate your feedback.
A consideration: Apple gives you 30 days to try out a machine, full refund available. If I were you, I’d think about blocking off a solid 3 weeks that you could dedicate to using a Mac exclusively-enough time to work through many of the little differences that switching OS comes with plus real-world use. Affinity apps of course are completely cross platform as are Adobe. You might find that you’re ok with the Mac but need to wait for a Studio release, or that a beefed-up Mini Pro would do it. Or look at Apple’s refurbished store (links in footer of site) for good discounts on an M1 Studio. I’ve worked in professional creative on both OSs; prefer Apple.
@@jelliottlein Thanks so much for this, it's been a real help. I wasn't aware that they offered a 30 day refund policy, that's good to know. Going to have to think long and hard, as I know I'll be kicking myself if the M2 Studio comes out shortly after I get the M1.
@@NickPowellPhotography I get it! I have this same dilemma when purchasing. Think of this though: the Studio M1 launched 15 months after the Mini M1 and less than a year ago now (still quite new); the M2 Version could come out in March 2023, or 2024! And we don’t know their Mac Pro plans yet. The M3 is projected to be an even bigger leap than M2, with a new 3nm process. Consider trying an M1 Studio and upgrading to an M3 or a Mac Pro in a few years? Or the Mini M2 Pro really still looks very good for your needs even with the 32gb RAM cap and a cheaper way to start. I just bought a Mini M2 non-pro 16/512 because my needs are lesser. If I were you, I’d be looking hard at the M2 Pro 32gb/1tb model which is still less than the base Studio.
@@jelliottlein Thanks so much for taking the time to reply. Yeah I am leaning towards the M2 Mini with a hub so I can insert SD cards etc on the front. Do you think it's worth upping the game to the 12 Core CPU and 19 GPU? Most of my storage is external, so could get away with a 512GB SSD.
@@NickPowellPhotography For most people? Probably not. For you? If $300 won’t break your bank, then it’s a 20% CPU / 15% GPU boost and the comfort of knowing there is no higher tier. The reason I recommend the 1tb internal SSD is that its stripped across four NAND chips to run at 6k mbps, double the 512’s speed with only two NAND chips. For large file transfers, large exports, and RAM swap, it would likely make a difference for your workflow in a way that it wouldn’t for most people. And you’d just know you had the best, again. That’s $2,200. More than the base M1 Studio, but should easily outperform it based on what we’re seeing in reviews unless you go for the Ultra chip which is way more expensive. That’s the config I’d go for in your shoes. I was tempted myself but I know my Designer/Publisher work is easily handled with less.
I use m1 mac for work every day and I experienced many program crashes and even hard system freezes with need to restart in years. So it's definitely not just PC thing.
This is a proper review. Benchmarks are meaningless to me. You have to use something like resolve and make commentary about the workflow like you have here.
50 fps is the highest the BMPC6K will do on full frame 6k BRAW, and I transcode and archive the B-Roll not the A-Roll. The 5:1footage has better visual fidelity after converting while still significantly reducing file size.
"With time I could probably figure it out"... 😬 this is exactly why I am switching to Mac this year. I'm sick of figuring out shit on PC and wasting hours.
