I've found it extremely helpful and useful to place my iPad Pro and keyboard/case in a sleeve. This way the pencil does not come off of the device when tossed in a bag. This offers protection and additional security when taking the device on the go.
I pre-ordered the base model 13 inch iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil Pro and picked them up yesterday, not certain if I was going to like them or not. I bought a 12.9’ iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil last year but took it back within two weeks because while it was incredibly powerful and super fast, the software that I need to use hadn’t caught up with the tablet hardware. Let’s just say that a year makes a huge difference in software. As an IT person in general, a network engineer specifically, I needed software that would let me do remote control (primarily RDP) and SSH/Telnet for console access. The apps I use (Microsoft RDP and Termius) are so much better now than they were a year ago. Add to that another app I found, a-shell that gives me actual command line access on the iPad, and I’m pretty sure I’ve found my laptop replacement. I will definitely be keeping the M4 iPad Pro.
I'm kind of on the fence still. I'm also a network engineer/sys admin and lack of a decent SSH/terminal app held me back. I've got a 16" M1 Max MBP but it usually stays in a dock at my house and it's big but it gets the job done and runs a Win11 VM in parallels in case I need that for some reason. Microsoft RDP was the first big step in helping me be OK with an ipad and little fold out bluetooth keyboard and moving to Connectwise screen connect was also a big help but when I look at what I actually need a device to do and the price tag of these new ipads + keyboard, I wonder why not just get a used M2 or M1 Macbook Air and call it a day?
""The apps I use (Microsoft RDP and Termius) are so much better now than they were a year ago." Are they? I use Microsoft RDP for about 3-4 Years and the Version right now feels exactly the same as older ones...
The outgoing keyboard was the same price as this new one. Couldn’t see it get cheaper with it being made from aluminum. Honestly, I’m shocked the price didn’t increase
The Logitech Combo Touch is so much better and more flexible than the Magic Keyboard. Being able to just pop off the keyboard and still have a stand, while protecting the side rails all the way around makes so much sense. And it’s significantly cheaper too. And Apple sells it on their site.
I use the Logitech as well. The Magic Keyboard offers no protection to the iPad. Despite my best efforts I drop my iPad and the Logitech keyboard saved it every time. I don’t trust the Apple Magic Keyboard to do the same.
You can remap the squeeze function to not just switch tools but also Siri shortcuts so you can have it take a photo, turn off lights, open the trunk on your car, call your friend, anything really- the possibilities are endless
samsung s-pens had the shortcut button for a long time, glad that Its now on apple, now the next thing I hope is the pencil getting the ‘magic wand’ gestures the s-pen has. Its going to be really useful for a camera remote like on samsung
Considering you chose to upgrade from an M1, it will last you about 3 years. How unnecessary 😂 This is a good upgrade finally for 2018 and 2020 iPad Pros. Very little to offer for anyone with an M1 or M2.
@@terribletimes902 nah man, the display alone is fking amazing. I couldn’t stand the blooming on the m1 iPad Pro. Why should it last me about 3 years? It will last me for sure like 10 years if not longer… but i will upgrade as soon as the software updates run out…
Just got the 11’ m4 iPad Pro and the Magic Keyboard. What can I say, it’s new apple products, you get what you pay for. They out did themselves again, the engineering, quality of materials used, improvements, the first of its kind screen… I’m going to enjoy this for the next 6 years.
Love my new iPad Pro 11” M4. Love the keyboard for typing. Love the mouse for scribbling and drawing. Love the naked iPad so thin and light I practically carry it anywhere. I sell my MacBook. Mac + iPad + iPhone covers all my needs.
Just want to mention I use the keyboard purely when I need to type long sentences, have a flat surface somewhere and a comfortable chair. Typing comments like this on RU-vid doesn’t need a keyboard, which means you don’t need to hold iPad + keyboard which can be heavy. My iPad always naked until it needs a keyboard.
@@charbelelbarche5441 it depends if 13 is too big for you to hold comfortably for a an hour at least then go for 11. So comfort vs screen space whichever is your priority.
I just bought a brand new M2 MacBook Air, iPad Air M2 11-inch with the Apple Pencil Pro, the Folio Case as well as Apple Care+ for less than the iPad Pro 13-inch 256 with the new keyboard and Pencil Pro would have cost me. The 13-inch Pro has an amazing display but it's hard to recommend that product when you can get an M2 MacBook and the new iPad Air together for less unless you have specific needs. Not to mention Mac-iPad Continuity feature is amazing. Is the new display worth that much for an average user?
I got the iPad M4 11” with the Magic Keyboard/Pencil……I, had all of that in the previous version too. I, like you have been waiting for them to do something with pencil storage. Find-My helps me find it, but what about helping me transporting it so that I don’t lose it in the first place. I’ve had to resort to 3rd party solutions. Lastly, I don’t use a laptop at all anymore. This is it. To some degree, I feel like I still operate with a limp…..I’m hoping still that Apple will get over their Mac obsession, and allow a dual-boot option with the iPad Pro…..maybe activated when it’s docked on the Magic Keyboard, or at least a Mac-like OS that is WAY closer than just stage-manager.
So glad people on youtube is pointing out the design flaw more and more now of the so called "storage" of the ipen. Like whoever designed it initially obviously never took their ipad anywhere else but left it on their desk so they just needed a place holder, literally. I was hoping by 2nd iteration of the current pencil they fix that issue... alas no
First off wtf is an iPen. Second, what exactly can be changed about the Pencil itself to be easier to store? The magnetic connection was such a good idea that Samsung blatantly copied it. The biggest issue with losing it has been fixed with the addition of Find My, which was the real puzzling omission from previous versions.
I got the iPad Pro 11 inch today along with the pencil pro. My intention was to use this as a tablet and not like a laptop. I already have a MacBook Pro for that. And I really didn’t want to basically have an iPad Pro that resembled the lid/screen of my MacBook. two different functions for me anyway. I don’t plan on getting the keyboard from Apple. I’ll Get a third-party case and maybe a keyboard but I want something that doesn’t have to have a keyboard attached to it all the time and I do want something that I can grip. I don’t wanna just pull the iPad off of the keyboard thing. I actually wanted to have a case when I use it like a tablet, one thing that’s really bugging me even though I’ve only had it a few hours is the fact that the pencil is fatter than the iPad itself and anytime you just set it down or tap it or whatever the pencil ends up falling over and blocking the camera. I know it’s pretty minor but it bugs me pretty bad in a short period of time. anyway thank you for the video.
I got mine today and I have it all set up now - best thing I can say is: SWEET! It all works together and so nicely. A complete package. So much potential here - incredible M4 chip, display, etc - now the software has catch up and take full advantage of this amazing iPad.
I saw a video where the user touched the iPad screen when it was attached to the keyboard, which you did not do. The whole thing tipped back. It appears the changes to this version of the keyboard were not well tested. I decided to save a few hundred dollars and purchased a wireless 75% mechanical keyboard. It’s so much fun to use.
I was watching... and it disappeared, lol! Back for the reload! I'm loving mine, very impressed over the old one. That one was nice but this is almost on par with a MBP keyboard IMHO.
I got the 13", the white Magic Keyboard, and the new pencil. I like them all. I thought the pencil squeeze things was very gimmicky during Apple's unveiling. In fact I use it and like it. It' saves time. My old iPad Pro was 6 years old so it was time to upgrade. The old display was SO good that I actually can't tell much difference with the new OLED display.
Bought the iPad Pro 11" today and the keyboard. The keyboard is well worth the 300 bucks. I was hesitant to purchase it due to the cost but after just a few hours of playing around with it the whole setup has exceeded my expectations. Very functional and high quality. No regret on the spend.
I had planned on upgrading from the M1 12.9” pro but wanting to go the 11” as the 12.9” size just makes it too hard to pop in my backpack along with everything else I take to work. I’m looking for reviews on the 11” as it’s such a huge cost to justify when the M1 chip works fine for my needs…I just don’t use it as much as I won’t as I can’t fit it in my bag. Is the size with the keyboard on the 11” heavy at all?
Dex is a UI change. It doesn’t add software support. If iPad had a traditional looking desktop, it would still be limited to App Store apps. It would just look a little different.
Ok so in that case stage manager is similar but I guess it works for most people and should be implemented on the iPhone but what we really need is iPad Pro with MacOS support for work
Another reviewer showed that when you tap on the screen when the iPad pro is connected to the apple Magic keyboard with the Apple Pencil that the screen wobbles back much more so than the previous Magic Keyboard.
They work great plugged into a monitor, full sized keyboard and mouse. It is better than Dex, it is the same. Been connecting them using a USB-C dongle for years. Now you can even extend instead of just mirror. Much better than dex.
I bought the Tomtoc portfolio case to store my iPad and accessories when I travel. I am loving it. It’s nice to have that added layer of protection and a place for my AirPods pro, pencil, and charger.
I’ve used the MK with my 6th gen 12.9” and was not impressed. IMHO, the best keyboard for iPad Air and the Pro is the Logitech Combo Touch. While it doesn’t have the USB charging port, its keyboard is top notch. It also offers more protection and flexibility (you can remove the magnetic keyboard or fold it under). Logitech now has one for the 13” and it’s available from Apple. Just my $.02…
I have the 12.9” M1 iPad Pro with Apple Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil .. it is AMAZING but because of iOS completely useless .. I use it as a media device at home while cooking, and as a journal using a journal app I had to BUY because apple doesn’t have a journal app for iPad just iPhone (?!?!?! WTF ?!?!?!) and then I use it as a cellular enabled laptop-lite for travel, eg when on vacation or meeting clients in the field to do very light email and photo of checks to email etc etc etc etc etc (yes checks, those things banks issue) .. to be brutally honest, if the MacBook Pro had a cellular option I wouldn’t need the iPad at all .. conversely if the iPad Pro had a macOS option I might not need the MacBook Pro at all
I have a Thule bag I use and put my iPad Pro with Apple pencil attached every time I travel and I’ve never had an issue with it coming off. I feel like that comment was pretty trivial and reaching for a complaint point. Besides most bags have pen storage pockets so you can always store it there.
Finding I can’t really justify the upgrade from the base 12.9” M1, but the new keyboards look great. The hardware looks good but I would need some big software features to justify it so the iPad could actually do something qualatively different - MacOS crossover, IDEs and Docker for software development, on-device AI features, console emulators that require more oomph than the M1 with 8GB RAM can provide.
The keyboard is excellent and because it feels so much like my MacBook keyboard, I find myself automatically (with muscle memory) trying to glide across to my other iPad Pro (as with Universal Control on my MacBook) to drag & drop files from the second iPad, and to only need one keyboard to control all my open devices (that are connected with the same Apple ID). This would definitely improve the functionality of this keyboard and new M4 iPad Pro. Otherwise I have to use a separate bluetooth keyboard with my other iPad Pro, and often I even have a 3rd iPad open doing some other task, so the desk quickly becomes cluttered with multiple keyboards when I should be able to tie them all together with this single new keyboard in the same way that I can when using my MacBook Pro. Because this new iPad keyboard is so nice and thin, it is even more comfortable than my M1 16" MacBook keyboard ... so users should be provided with the choice which keyboard they prefer to use to control all open Apple devices using the "Universal Control" function. At the moment "Universal Control" has to be initiated from a Mac computer, cannot be used with multiple iPads by themselves. Universal Control should also extend to iPhone, so that files can be dragged and dropped between any Apple Device and that a single keyboard (of the user's choice) can be used to control all of the devices simultaneously.
I love this little apple pencil accessory that’s small and can be folded back. You slide the pencil through it and it holds it in place as well as allows it to charge. (I’ll link in a separate comment to be safe but it’s called OFA pencil holder)
Apple, take your Apple Pencil back to the drawing board & design a sturdier, pencil-secured & reasonably priced keyboard! Also, get new management who will listen to what customers want and stop price gouging!!!
Who in their right mind would pay 460$ for a magic keyboard is a mystery to me.. it's a fn keyboard with a piece of metal. My razer blackwidow was 150$ and has mechanical keys.
If it runs MacOS when the keyboard is attached ... and dump GarbageOS ... I am IN!!! I will totally buy this. But until Apple unleashes the hardware there is no point replacing my 2018 iPad Pro.
@@woofiooxx I can’t rip its monitor off. I love mine though. - An Apple device that could act as both a tablet and a laptop … wouldn’t that be exciting?
I have the Magic Keyboard for the previous iPad. It really sucks at protecting the iPad, it makes it heavy AF. can’t use it on bed or on ur lap because believe me it will fall and dent your iPad. And the pencil always fall. I’m never buying a new iteration of the iPad magic keyboard. TBH.
I did end up picking up the 13” iPad Air and it’s awesome! I had an 11” older iPad Pro and honestly apart from how fast the other iPad unlocked from the home screen this one is a fantastic upgrade! Next is the Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil.
Great review, however if it "takes that next step" MacBook sales will drop. So, having this as a sort of Dex mode will probably never happen. I'm waiting/hoping for this to ever happen or to have a Surface Go on ARM for my day-to-day work.
I love iPadOS. I picked mine up yesterday and until you hold the tablet you’re not going to understand. The new keyboard is amazing and the haptic trackpad makes all the difference. Everything my wife does for work I did on the tablet but she couldn’t do what I do for work on the laptop. It’s an amazing device if you actually use it.
If Apple could even give a light mac version for ipad to allow for business/school work where you need to things the mac is better for would be perfect
This old normal still rocking my Apple 2017 12-inch iPad Pro with third party $ 71.99 iPad pro 12.9 case with Keyboard 2017 2nd 2015 1st Generation, 360 Rotatable Wireless Folio 180 Swivel Stand Hard Cover Auto Sleep Wake up Black.
whenever you review a keyboard, especially a white one, please remember to show its backlit it’s kind of a must, like talking about camera when reviewing a smartphone
I’m looking forward to a full review of the M4 iPad Pro & MK/Pencil Pro. As a M1 12.9” Pro user, I really would like to know if it’s worth it to upgrade now. Haven’t had the ability to get to an Apple Store yet to check it out so that’s why I’m watching all I can on RU-vid about them.
Unless you have a workflow that ACTUALLY bogs down the M1 (doubtful), you shouldn’t upgrade. I’m in the same situation with my 14MBP M1, and I’m a software developer…
Until they make the keyboard folds completely flat and reduce the weight it is a no go for me. I have the Magic Keyboard and used it on one trip! The weight and fact I could not use the tablet any longer as a handheld flat table while I was lying in on the couch caused me to relegate the Magic Keyboard to the back of my closet.
I got the pro with the folio case and pencil pro, currently have a Mac and iPad Pro for optometry school school, but once I graduate I’ll get the keyboard and I’ll use that and leave the Mac at hkme
I heard the Magic Keyboard rubber material deteriorates pretty quickly despite how expensive they are. Glad there's aluminum now, but rest of it is still the same material
I got my iPad Air 13” m2 Imwanna use it as a laptop as well but not sure about the new Magic Keyboard…. And yes it’s the price! Does anyone here give a try with this tablet and the old plain magic keyboard ? And how about the weight as ipad+Magic keyboard?
The iPad Pro with Mseries should be the all in one. If you want an iPad done, switch to macOS now you have a laptop and a desktop computer that you can just open and turn it into a media consumption device think😮
I think, the new iPad Pro is nice and the Apple Pencil is the best accessory but the Magic Keyboard and the lack of protection for an expensive machine I would need to look elsewhere for something that gives me trackpad keyboard and protection
Magic Keyboard is very very cool, but the one thing repelling me from it is the fact that the sides of the iPad are un protected while in it… I’m too clumsy to use an iPad without a case 🫤, so Logitech combo touch or the new ESR one for me
I’ve always found this point to be profoundly stupid. It’s not a phone, you aren’t supposed to be waving it around like one. It’s a desk bound object. It’s got a larger footprint than most laptops, yet few feel the need to put a case on their laptops. Because they understand that a laptop is a stationary device despite being portable. Same deal with these iPads. If you can’t stop yourself from dropping it everywhere then you are simply dumb. A phone, sure, it could slip out of your pocket or you could get bumped while holding it. Makes sense. Not so for a tablet.
Well I love ipads but would not replace my computers with it. Photography, music making, 3D modeling, programming, video editing, games are still far better on a computer. For lighter tasks the ipad is fine though.
Not making it backwards compatible with the M1-M2 is BS. The 11 inch still had the same thickness as the previous one and there is no way they couldn’t have designed it to be backwards compatible. My current magic keyboard which I used for the Air 4 and now the M2 for the past two years has been suffering the fraying issue on the edges. I don’t want to replace it with the old magic keyboard since it’s only a matter of time before it frays again. Come on, apple.
I’m all out Apple but don’t say It’s better than Dex lol that’s just not true at all . Have you actually used Dex? You wouldn’t make this comment if you did. Again I’m all out iPad and just got my M4 so not being a Samsung fanboy here just facts
The problem is the price. At the prices they want for the pro, it needs to be a laptop replacement. I mean the setup you have, if 1TB of storage, cost more then a 1 TB 14" Mac book pro. So if I need to still buy that laptop, and a phone, it's a bit much for a Netflix and Apple TV screen. Sure, it does more then that, but again, I need a laptop, so I don't care.
Its a joke of you talk about SW and speed. Display is ok but half brightness compared to the tandem OLED on the new Pros. Dex is just a skin and apps are so bad and not optimized for desktop. Stage manager is better as iPad apps are more pro, thousands more variety with very high quality and all optimized for the big screen.
@fmax6000 dex is massively better than stage manager what are you on about. They don't even compare. And no the iPad is not 2x brighter lol that's not how it works. The only thing the iPad has over the samsung tablets is the soc and some apps
How can you make a video about the Magic Keyboard and not talk about how much better the trackpad is over the old version. It’s almost worth upgrading to the new iPads just to get the new keyboard because of the trackpad.
