M8 • Wondering If You Have A Sumping Problem? 🧐 Easy Check • Pull Crank Sensor •Measure Oil In Sump

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Wondering if you have a sumping problem? In this video I show you a quick and easy check and give you guidelines on how to interpret your findings. Removing the crank sensor on the Milwaukee Eight engine is a very simple, yet effective, way to identify sumping issues. I also give you the steps to follow to prepare for this check. If you remove the crank sensor, you can measure how much oil comes out. Based on that, you’ll have a good indicator of the sumping condition of your engine.
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00:00 Intro
00:29 Sumping Symptoms
00:47 Pre-2020 Oil Pump vs. New Design
01:23 Welcome
01:42 Crank Sensor: Why?
02:29 How To Do This Check
03:16 My Results
03:51 Guidelines For How Much Oil is OK
04:24 Excessive Oil? Compression & Leak-Down Test
05:21 Have You Pulled The Crank Sensor?
05:38 Next Video: My Own Shorty Levers
05:56 Playlist: M8 Crankcase Pressure, Venting, Sumping
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@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Have you pulled the crank sensor on your Milwaukee Eight? How much oil did you get? Do you have any other sumping symptoms? Let me know!

@justinpoleski9292 2 года назад

Have you seen this video? I would think if the breather bypass needed vacuum he would have mentioned it. Good job on your videos. 👍 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LoVuOuhFvDs.html

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

@@justinpoleski9292 sorry for the delay - RU-vid held this comment for review and I just saw it. Yes, I had seen Doc's video as well. It probably boils down to no oil without vacuum better than oil with a vacuum. Maybe? I'm about to publish the catch can video where I use the crankcase breather, external breather mod, and vacuum all at the same time. I got some interesting and promising results.

@davidgalbraith2521 2 года назад

Did an impulse buy from a dealer in Chilliwack BC of a used 17 Street Glide Special with 3900 km. Had bike shipped and upon arrival noted oil level was down a quart. Found 14 oz oil after pulling crank sensor.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey David - was the 14 oz. after riding for a little while? That’s quite a bit. Does the bike have any other sumping symptoms?

@davidgalbraith2521 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Removed bike from shipping crate and went 20 ft in first gear into my garage. Wanted to check fluids first, before first ride, - noticed the low oil level. Did a google search. Found your video and removed sensor to which 14 oz plus poured out. Will be contacting Harley Canada. Has only been started once in my possession.

@davedave1019 2 года назад

Thanks Ron luv the way u walk us through ur projects ur channel is brilliant I can see this hobby of urs exploding when people jump on ur channel

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

My pleasure - so glad you find it helpful!

@robertstevens6652 Год назад

Hey Ron, Check for sumping with the crank sensor is very interesting. This gives me ideas on some of the things I can do after I get the 2018 Limited out of winter storage. Thanks for your output on maintaining the M8 engine.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

I’m so glad it was helpful! Let me know how it goes…

@f1watcher445 2 года назад

Oh also meant to add a big thanks for doing these videos!! Very informative!! Thanks!!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Thanks for the kind words! And if you want a sticker send me a DM on Telegram, Instagram or Signal with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@TheMetalmachine467 Год назад

When I first got my used 2018 fatboy with the 114 there was oil under the air cleaner than thanks to this channel i put the trans cover breather on and it worked but I used to get a small puddle of oil under the breather filter after every ride This winter I put a S&S 128 big bore and ss 475 cam and oil pump with lifters what a difference!!!! I've only did 400 miles breaking in the eng and no oil at all coming out the breather or air cleaner

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Metalmachine467 - it sounds like a beast! Thanks for sharing that! Did you keep the transmission top cover vent with the new motor?

@nathanhornbacher8109 2 года назад

Another amazing video. Thank you!!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Thanks for the feedback, Nathan!

@ronc5507 2 года назад

Guess I’m going to have to check mine now lol I may be a hypochondriac or paranoid when it comes to this stuff, but I do feel like not getting passed the 200 miles on a tank mark even when not “hot dogging” it, this may be the next thing to check since I already verified the tune was good to go, plugs were fine, no intake leaks, and no codes. Much appreciated on the content!!!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Ron - yeah, I get it. Fortunately this is a simple check to do. Let me know how it goes, and thanks for the kind words!

@michaelmorgan5714 2 года назад

Great, I look forward to other videos. My adult step son (45) just bought his second twin cam and I currently own a Vrod, a 65 Pan on a rigid frame and an 883 Sportster low for his Mother. He's not really familiar with motorcycles mechanically so I've been boning up on their known problems and major week spots. He just bought his second twin cam (a 2009 I believe) and I don't want him to be at the mercy of some of the local shops though some of the friends he rides with are very knowledgeable I have seen him get 2 bearings replaced on his front wheel and pay 40.00 a piece and 120.00 dollars to install them and they screwed one of those by pulling it with the chine past the bearing and damaging the retaining cup, they returned the wheel with the bearing 1/4 inch out from flush with the hub and noted this on the invoice and still charged him as if there wasn't an issue. I have a bearing puller kit and we extracted it and used a punch and a dremel tool to repair and clean up the bearing cup. I look forward to to every thing you have now and in the future. I'm retired now (a licensed industrial master electrician) 68 years old. and most of the old friends that showed me the ropes since the late 70's have died or moved 100 and more miles away. So I will be an avid viewer especially this winter. The wife and I have many summer interests so I'll be doing my research in the winter. And since the last grandchild moved out, in the living room (the garage has no heat) I'll be changing the triple tree on the v-rod from a 4 degree to a 2 degree to increase the effective trail and allow it to be more stable at higher speeds and not tend to flop at very slow speeds getting out of the neighborhood. If I'm ambitious enough I want to install an 04 Deuce front end on our Pan-head and have a real disk brake on the front. It gets a bit dangerous out hear in Maryland not far from Washington Thanks again and maybe see you on the road some day. Mike

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

The garage is full! It’s unfortunate that there are shops that do shoddy work and won’t make good on it. Like you said - it’s good motivation to keep learning and tackle those things ourselves.

@mrnonpc9885 6 месяцев назад

I have a new to me 2017 CVO Limited. I just changed the stock crankcase sump screw to the Feuling short sump screw. I did this immediately after a 40 minute ride on the freeway. It drained 150ml or 5.1 ounces. I’m going to check this again when I change the oil to see if the shorter screw made an improvement. 😊Changing the oil pump out to the 2020 is one of the first upgrades I plan to make.

@RonsWorkshop 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for sharing that info! Let me know how the second check goes.

@TheMetalmachine467 Год назад

I haven't check to see if my 2018 fatboy was sumping but am putting a ss 475 cam in it with a new oil pump so hopefully I won't have that problem But I've done the breather mod that I've learned on your channel and works flawless My air cleaner isn't oily any more thank you

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Nice! Let me know how it goes and how you like it. I’m glad the breather worked out!

@twobeagles1365 8 месяцев назад

Good info- Thanks.

@RonsWorkshop 8 месяцев назад

I’m so glad this was helpful! Here’s a playlist with all the videos related to crankcase venting: bit.ly/softail_sumping_playlist

@nextridemtb489 2 года назад

Great stuff.. Thanks

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Next Ride MTB - thanks for the encouragement! Let me know how it goes if you do the check.

@kennethmay6992 Год назад

Good job

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Thanks for the kind words! Let me know how it goes if you do the check.

@shawn9878 2 года назад

Thanks for the update, just changed my 2018 heritage to the 8 lope , had to upgrade the cam while I was in the cam chest .had over 6 0z in the drain pan

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Thanks for the info! 44% increase in scavenging is definintely significant between the old and new pumps! What cam did you go with? I love it - "had to" upgrade the cam while you were in there. I'd do the same!

@shawn9878 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop I did the woods 22x and bassani road rage . waiting on the parts to do the trans vent like you did .

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Nice! I’ve heard good things about Bassani exhaust for the M8s. Let me know how the crankcase vent goes.

@iancatlin5985 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop I also "had to" upgrade the cam (SE Torque) when I replaced the oild pump (did that "just in case") ;-)

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Right on!

@michaelmorgan5714 2 года назад

Just found you I like this stuff already. Could you show a leak down test and do you have any videos or planing on any for other engines?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Michael - thanks for the kind words and for the suggestions! I’ll add leak-down test to the list. So far all of my projects are with the M8 and my Softail, but I’m up for projects on non-M8 engines as well - just need more bikes! Maybe as time progresses… :) If you want a channel sticker send me a DM on Telegram or Instagram with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@kenmouser5585 2 года назад

Heh Ron I messaged you a while ago got almost 8 oz was running Red Line 20-50 changed to conventional Harley 20-50 have since rode the bike 200 miles checked the crank sensor again got maybe a teaspoon I might have been running the oil a little full .its running good and I believe a little quieter .Will keep an eye on it thanks a lot for the videos .

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Ken - yeah I remember the 8 oz. Glad to hear it’s looking better. Thanks for the info and the kind words!

@jessevaughan8427 2 года назад

Damn. Have not had an issue with this until now. Just changed all my fluids to red line (about 2-3 months ago) and now my Arlen Ness air filter is dripping oil. Do you think I should switch back to harley conventional before drilling into my transmission cover?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Jesse - Tough call. Those fluids aren’t cheap! It does make me wonder though, since it didn’t start until you switched. And it sounds like Ken had issues after switching as well. Might just be worth it to switch back and see how it goes. Let me know what you decide and how it goes.

@jmendizabal1025 2 года назад

Hey bro, I did it and had the same like you, almost spend the $370 on the trans cover. Mine is a 2020 Road Glide special

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey George - that’s great! Glad it worked out.

@hrslick2125 2 года назад

I did this exact same check after I got done with a weekend trip which was roughly 550 miles. Check my oil level ( cold check) and it was on the bottom dimples of the side stand check. When I pulled my crank sensor out I got exactly 4 ounces. Before my trip I asked my local mechanic about the M8 problems and he talked about the oil pump issue, he sold me a feuling Vented dip stick a year ago . about two months ago I installed a DK customs external breather kit which he told me to take off immediately because It would do more harm to my engine. I’ve been asking around and nobody else has said the external breather kit is a bad thing. I will say I think I am getting a lot of blow by though because my catch can does collect a good amount of moisture and the nasty oil mist after about 100 miles. My bike is an 18 FLHXS with 11,500 miles with a stage one kit only

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey HR Slick - yeah I’m curious why he said to remove the external breather mod. I’m aware of the notion that those ports that vent into the throttle body supposedly allow for crankcase vacuum but I haven’t been able to detect any vacuum from that.

@skippynj1979 Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop the vacume is so minimal.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Steven - I agree. I haven’t been able to measure any.

@skippynj1979 Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop the m8 tubes is rediculously small

@fltrx19rider14 2 года назад

Did that same crank sensor check on my 19rg last yr. Only got a couple of drops of oil. Have the older pump also, but have an s&s 475c cam chest kit to put in this winter. That will give me some more punch, and upgrade the pump at the same time.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Fltrx19rider - that’s great! I bet that cam swap will be nice and the oil pump upgrade will be the cherry on top!

@fltrx19rider14 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Yes, some added peace of mind. Bike is a stage 1 now, have a krome werks aggressor header to go with the cam. Just haven’t done the work yet. Live in Fl. Too hot in my garage during the summer. Waitin til fall/winter when it’s a bit cooler.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

@@fltrx19rider14 I'm up in Jacksonville ☀

@fltrx19rider14 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop St. Augustine. We’re neighbors!

@expendable4h002 9 месяцев назад

What is your manufacture date on the frame?

@bigdaddy5948 Год назад

I hope anyone considering buying a Harley sees this video before they buy.

@stevencorry5790 Год назад

Buying a 2018,19 Harley

@RidersUnited 2 года назад

I dig your videos, really well done. Glad you tried my dipstick vent :) where are you located? i am in Chicagoland area

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey RidersUnited - thanks for the kind words! I’m in sunny Florida ☀️ Stay warm up there! And if you want a sticker send me a DM on Telegram, Instagram or Signal with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@markj6506 2 года назад

My m8 sumped last sunday. 19 electraglide standard. Just turned 10k miles. Did 200 miles that day, On the way home i took the highway and set the cruise at 70. Went 10 exits down and started losing power and also noticed an oil burning smell. Pulled over she was in parade mode so it was active, Pulled the stick on with bike on the "jiffy stand" and i was missing a quart of oil and was also burnt smelling. I always do pre ride checks and i check oil before and when the bike is hot at a gas up stop always use amsoil in everything i drive specially all my bikes oil, primary, trans. Not many miles on the bike and I was excited this year because i was going to be able to seriously ride this year. I was a few weeks away from doing the popular cam chest upgrade. But now the motor is hurt ive yet to.pull compression and leakdown tests on it but it runs rough and I changed the oil theres little pieces of shiny metal in there guessing thats the cam ground down to the babbitt metal and fresh ground lifter. Was going to try to go for a ride after the oil change but the oil immediately gets aerated. Just sharing my experience here. I already have all the cam chest parts so im gonna open her up and take a look hopefully the leak down test is not shown to be excessive .

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Mark - that’s rough! Thanks for sharing that, and please do give an update once you dove in. I wish you the best as you tackle it!

@markj6506 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Hi Ron heres an update on my m8 sumping. I pulled the crank sensor and 2 quarts of oil approximately came out . So I changed the oil as well started the bike and it ran good but the camchest was a little ticky. So it smoked a little and cleared up, I had a hunch that it sumping plus me adding oil to replaced the missing oil just washed the rings out in the front cylinder? I replaced every thing in the camchest with a Redshift cam kit from fuel moto that i had and installed the m8 drag specialties pump with a new harley camplate. So i finished the bike today, did another oil and filter change before firing it up and noted at least 6 quarts of oil filled the pan. It was chock full of oil. It was running rough because of all the oil sloshing around in the crankcase. Im thinking i lucked out, took it for a 137 mile test ride today and it ran great. Im sure in the future maybe winter time that the top end will need attention as ive seen many stories of oil consumption problems at 9 to 10 k. We shall see. The camplate journals where the cam and crank rides got scored up and the lifter bores looked a little worn but nothing major. Hopefully it wil keep running good ill post another update.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Mark - thanks for sharing that update! Sounds like she has a few battle scars but I’m glad to hear she’s running well now. I hope you can log some great miles this riding season. And if you want a sticker send me a DM on Telegram, Instagram or Signal with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@steviefranchize21 2 года назад

Just got a 2018 fatboy and am loving the videos. I recently noticed the bike will be dripping fuel from a fuel vent in the rear when sitting still. If I take off the gas cap completely it seems to almost stop immediately. Also Briefly read up that it’s possibly The fuel pressure regulator in those years were put in the wrong direction and have to be rotated 180 degrees. Any videos on that would be great!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey steviefranchize21 - thanks for the kind words and the suggestion! If you want a channel sticker send me a DM on Telegram or Instagram with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@steviefranchize21 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop will do 👍🏼

@toddaod295 2 года назад

Hi Ron, thanks for sharing your research with us. I don't have a jack stand to get my bike vertical for this check. Do you think putting a couple boards under the jiffy stand would still be fairly accurate? Or maybe just shutting down holding bike upright and then placing on jiffy stand? Thanks!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Toddao d - I had to do a similar thing. I couldn't get it 100% vertical but I got it very close. Of course, safety is the major concern with that, so make sure the bike is strapped down or somehow secure so you're not putting yourself at risk! And thanks for the encouragement!

@toddaod295 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Thanks Ron! I've been looking at that Drag Specialties center jack lift stand for $190...just haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. Thanks again!

@DTMFJeff Год назад

Dude you could be a stunt double for Billy Bob Thornton 😂 Great video as always but I don’t think Soft Tails have a sumping issues.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Ron "Street Bob" Thornton 😂 I hear that frequently. I haven't been able to identify a pattern with which bikes have the issues, but the "old" style pump was definitely problematic, and there have been other issues with stick piston oilers, etc.

@militaryminedid2011 2 года назад

If you're in the "Green" does that mean you never have to check it again? What I'm getting at is if you're bike is good now, can your bike out of nowhere start to have sumping issues if no other work is done on the bike? I have a 2017 to early April 2019 oil pump. Gas mileage on my bike always sucked it runs hot (by feel, not by any gauge warning) but not sure if that's due to the cat in stock header. Bike sometimes bogs down when opening it up but not sure if that's due to the generic tune I got in it. Just looking for peace of mind each time I go out on a ride and not have to worry if my bike is going to develop a sump issue at some point if it's ok now after crank sensor check. Was going to upgrade the oil pump this month just for the peace of mind. The mechanic labor rate is crazy though since the job requires all those hours to complete the pump swap. Fullsac header will be put on this week and auto tune will be done to be sure cat and tune not contributing to any felt issues.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey militaryminded - good question. The reality is that a sumping problem could develop at some point even if nothing is done. For example, if a piston oil jet fails. How likely is that? Hard to say, but probably / maybe not that likely? If you’re in the green, and none of the symptoms arise or worsen over time, you’re probably stable. If you’re in the green, and six months from now there’s a new symptom that develops, it’s worth checking again. Hope that helps - just my 2¢ worth. Let me know how the new exhaust and tune work out! And if you want a channel sticker send me a DM on Telegram or Instagram with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@robertlafountaine9108 2 года назад

If you don’t catch the damage in time, would it be more expensive to take corrective measures at the first sign of trouble or just wait until problems start to surface and do the mods one at a time? What is the worst that could happen if you do watchful waiting? Sorry 8f that sounds like a dumb question. I’ve already done the primary vent tube and the breather catch can and still have fluid transfer into the primary but no blow by into the air filter. Thank you.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Robert - have you done the sumping check from this video or have you experienced any of the other sumping symptoms? If you’re having symptoms and you mitigate them with venting you may be ok - but then again you may not. It’s so hard to say. If the sumping gets severe it can cause significant damage. Not sure if that helps…

@brianlampman 7 месяцев назад

Hi Ron, Wifey has a 2020FXLR. Open air cleaner, short shots, Vance tuner. When she is hard on the throttle and I am behind her I can smell oil. I suspect the breather tubes putting too much oil into the intake but I haven't looked at it yet. I think I will be doing your trans cover vent either way. I was just gonna buy the Trask. But 350$? Na. Any way on the current awesome vid with the crank sensor, why does the engine have to be hot? I mean if you run it blast around, watch some Ron's workshop vids then check it won't the oil still be in the crank sump? Maybe I am missing something. Thanks. you da man.

@RonsWorkshop 6 месяцев назад

Hey again brianlampman - first off, thanks for the kind words! For the bike being hot - you want to catch it as close to operating conditions as possible. If it sits for a while I believe oil will gradually drain back down into the sump, which could throw off the results.

@boscodog4358 28 дней назад

I have a 2024 TRI Glide Ultra, will venting the Crank case void my warranty? Do I need to install a one way valve on a crank case breather system?? Thanks man for your time.

@RonsWorkshop 27 дней назад

I think the warranty question varies by dealer I have no idea what the MoCo says. I’ll also say that the newer bikes should have these issues mostly or completely addressed. I’ve also heard that the newer bikes have a crankcase vent from the factory but I haven’t seen it firsthand.

@davedave1019 2 года назад

Hey Ron went on a binge watching all ur videos fantastic channel hey just wandering how did u attach the valve on the top transmission plate tap or just with red lock tite Cheer Dav 🇦🇺

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Dave - I’m so glad you’ve found the videos useful! For the transmission too cover fitting I just drilled the hole and secured it with the nut and red loctite. Another viewer tapped it with good results, but I didn’t trust my plastic cover for that. If you want a channel sticker send me a DM on Telegram or Instagram with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop (international is no problem 👍🏼)

@davedave1019 2 года назад

Hey Ron so put a nut on the inside of the cover to hold the breather ?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Yep - the bulkhead fitting has a jamnut and washer. I just added the red loctite. The check valve is separate and it’s further up the line.

@ValOzuna Год назад

Im looking for answers, I don't know if what happened is normal and I should allow all the oil to come out or not, for now I just laid it back down and closed it up. So I have a 2020 fatboy, I've been having trouble reading the oil levels on this bike I changed the oil and put exactly 4 quarts of oil and new filter, later that day I went for a ride and checked levels, showed low on dipstik. I was frustrated and just said it can't be low I just added 4 quarts of oil and left it alone. I been riding here and there and checking level and always marks low and by that I mean like barely and oil on the bottom of dipstik. So a day ago I added more oil about 8 oz more and it marked good cold which is about half way. Went for a short drive came back and marked low again, at this point I'm pissed and baffled. Where's the oil going? So this morning I decided to run this test, I got everything ready, drive into town and back about 30 minutes total and some traffic where bike got good and hot, too hot I think, drive into garage and shut off bike took out the sensor and a small stream started coming out not even 2 oz so I'm thinking ok not bad, so then it stopped dropping and I said I wonder what would happen if I sit the bike up straight, it's on the jiffy leaning towards the jiffy, and omfg, a huge stream started coming out and I got scared and laid it back down and put sensor back on. I didn't even let it all come out because I didn't know if that was the oil from the engine and I'm just emptying it out or what the hell Is happening. So I need help, should I let all the oil empty out? Is it supposed to be coming out like that? Is that normal? Wtf is happening? Please any help would be greatly appreciated!

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Val - did you see my other reply about getting a solid baseline for the dipstick readings?

@expendable4h002 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for the video. My manufacture date says 5/19. Is there any way to know if that is after the 5/22/19 date?

@RonsWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

Hey Expendable4 H00 - without a specific date, I’d say the next best thing is the sumping check. If you don’t have any sumping symptoms and you get good results with the crank sensor check, you should be good.

@garyposthuma9607 2 года назад

Hay does this happen to all or just some of have 28000 on my 2018 ultra limited just wondering if it's going to let me sit some where

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Gary - no it’s not all bikes. Some have it and some don’t. There are different causes so there no one single answer or solution. If you don’t have any of the symptoms I listed you might be just fine. It’s an easy check though, just to be sure.

@jeffpatti1151 Год назад

Ron can you confirm why all pre May 2019 don't have sumping issues? If the oil pump design is the cause, I would expect that sumping would be on all older oil pumps.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Jeff - no, I don’t know why it’s not an issue on every one of the bikes. If you come across anything, please let me know.

@spoom937 2 года назад

I have 20 fxlrs I have external breather! I'm thinking of buying Feuling dipstick or Trask trans cover! Which one should I buy (which one produces best results? if you know) I'm also about to put a 475 cam in with cam plate and pump!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Joshua - I’ve heard good things about the Fueling vented dipstick and the Trask CheckM8 vented transmission top cover, so I think it comes down to preference. Be sure to check the fine print, as there is some requirement with a Trask for an oil pump that has an o-ring seal or something like that. I have heard some say they get oil blowing out the Fueling dipstick and I think their docs say to run the oil level lower than normal - but again, check their docs for details. Not sure if that helps, but that’s I’ve heard from people leaving comments. You could also do your own like I covered here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-U6gOhbRQrwE.html Let me know what you decide!

@spoom937 2 года назад

@Ron's Workshop thanks for quick response! An will do thanks!

@jmendizabal1025 2 года назад

Do you think I need to add that transmission plate ?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Which transmission plate?

@mohabens5469 2 года назад

This might sound stupid, is the sumping issue only happens on M8. I have a twin cam 2017 Softail.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Moha - not at all stupid! Sumping is not anything new but it’s gotten a lot of attention with the M8 motors. I haven’t worked with twin cams but I’m sure there’s a similar process for them. Regardless, the symptoms I mention at the beginning would be the same. Hope that helps!

@bigj200016 Месяц назад

I’ve got an 18 FLSB that has recently started using a boat load of oil, almost doubling its consumption from about 1/2qt every 1000 miles to 1/2qt every 450 miles. Seeing oil getting into air cleaner and on the right side of the bike. After hitting up a mechanic on RU-vid (Doc Harley) who suggested pulling the CKP I did. After riding for about 30 minutes I got the sensor out within about 90 seconds of shutting bike off with it secured in my Condor chock. Only got 2 drops out. So I don’t think sumping is the issue. Hoping that it’s something silly, like just the breathers are over saturated and are allowing excess oil of of them.

@RonsWorkshop Месяц назад

Yeah that’s a lot of oil consumption - I hope it’s an easy fix!

@xmark21 Год назад

On my '2018 M8 107, I experience that oil migrates to the primary (and it seems to migrate from there to the transmission), and I sense that the bike has lost some performance, but it's hard to tell. Anyway, did this check twice and in both cases about 50 ml came out (1.7 oz.).

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Mark. Thanks for sharing that. That’s good news on the sumping check. I’ve heard about that oil migration issue - I think there are a couple of ways to address that. Do a bit of research and see what you can find. Please let me know what you come up with.

@xmark21 Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop Hi Ron, thank you for reaching out. I have been researching this issue on and off for the past couple of months, and I haven't been able to find much mention of this specific migration problem. I've only found a thread on hdforums and in one of your videos on crankcase pressure and vacuum. I've also watched Kevin Baxters videos on the topic of sumping, but I haven't found the golden solution. I have measured that about 1 liter of oil transfers per 1000 km (approx. 1 qt / 600 mi), and recently it has gotten worse. So I was actually hoping that somebody here, could provide me with some insight. ;)

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Mark - there may be some useful info in this Doc Harley video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QolhZGpFULQ.html

@Heavy69Metal 2 года назад

I get 300-316 Engine temps VIA power vision readings

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Thanks for sharing that info! I’d like to get something for reading the engine temps. Add it to the list!

@MrTheDays1 2 года назад

Same and in SoCal

@johnnyoneniner4820 2 года назад

Can you provide a link to the TSB?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Johnny - let me know if you can get to it with this link: bit.ly/397PF2x I've also added it to the video description.

@loopertrooper6671 Год назад

I have a 2018 Heritage Softail Classic, bought it used with 2K miles in June 2022. It has some light mods, V&H shotguns and S&S air filter mod, nothing else as far as I am aware. I have no idea if this has been addressed. My local HD shops can’t be trusted. I’ve gone in with a simple oil change and walk out with a fkn laundry list of sh!t that needs to be “fixed” on the bike. Sorry to tell you, the dude I bought it from put about 500 miles per year on the bike.. it has zero issues. At any rate, so, I’ll be doing this check myself. Can you recommend a good work stand for the bike.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Looper Trooper - I don't have any good work stand recommendations. The one I have is a cheap one that is just "ok". But let me know what you find and let me know how the check goes!

@kenthomas3920 2 года назад

My 2018 ran fine oil light came on then off next day it would fire but wont run and its throwing oil pressure switch code for high pressure put new filter and oil still wont run will that switch not let your bike run

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Ken - I’m not sure - unfortunately I haven’t worked with that trouble code. If I come across anything I will add a new reply. Let me know if you learn anything.

@kenthomas3920 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop thanks just trying to figure it out before I let the dealer rape me for something simple

@wolfhorvath1302 9 месяцев назад

Will this work for 2017 trike free wheeler ?also

@RonsWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

Hey Wolf Horvath - I don’t think yours has the M8 motor, and this check is specific to the M8.

@f1watcher445 2 года назад

I just checked my bike that i haven't rode in 5+ days, and got 7 oz of oil out of the crank sensor. My bike is a 2019 Road Glide Special....Stage IV...all HD parts. It has 11,500 miles on it. I purchased the bike in June 2019...so I assume that I have the older oil pump. Also I have the 7 yr warranty....so i don't really want to lose that. I had already ordered the parts to vent my transmission cover as per your other video. So I guess I''ll speak to my dealer and see what they have to say before I vent my trans case. I'll need it sorted before going to Sturgis as it's a 3-4000 mile trip. But in a perfect world I'd like the updated 2020 oil pump and my trans case vented before goin on a big trip. Thoughts??

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey F1 Watcher - I believe it’s worth doing the check again after riding for 30 minutes to an hour. With the bike sitting for a while it’s likely that oil gradually drained down into the sump, so there’s a chance you got a skewed result.

@f1watcher445 2 года назад

Thanks I’ll do that. On my last ride it blew the o-ring on one of my air cleaner breather bolts and sprayed oil down the side of my bike….so it must be building up some pressure. I’ll change the o-ring tomorrow and then take it for a ride and check the amount of oil I get out. Thanks again 👍🏻

@f1watcher445 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Well I took it for a 30 mile ride with a new o-ring on my air cleaner breather bolt. Popped the sensor out asap when back...and no oil came out. And my o-ring is holding up....so I'll monitor it...but looks good. I have the 7 yr extended HD warranty....so I'm not sure if I vent my transmission case what they would think of that?? Maybe I don't need to? All the parts will be in tomorrow for the DIY trans cover vent with the check valve as per your video. Guess I'll think about it. Thanks Again!!!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

@@f1watcher445 That's great news!! Since you have the extended warranty you may just want to leave it as-is. If there's a problem you'd expect them to take care of it, and I've heard that it varies from dealer to dealer whether they like or don't like a crankcase venting mod. Enjoy :)

@f1watcher445 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Thanks will do!

@dagsharding3825 Год назад

Hi Ron , I love your channel mate . Just wanted to know if you pulled you crank sensor after you had done the transmission top cover mod / external breather mod or before ? From your other videos on both of those mods they were to help with excessive crank case pressure and limit sumping ? Thanks Darren From Australia

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Darren - thanks for the kind words! Yes, I had already done the transmission top cover vent before pulling the crank sensor. But I don’t believe I’ve ever had a sumping issue. I’ve never had any symptoms and the crank sensor check removed any concerns. Let me know how it goes if you give it a shot. And if you want a sticker send me a DM on Telegram, Instagram or Signal with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop (international isn’t a problem)

@dagsharding3825 Год назад

Thanks for the reply Ron , I will do the crank sensor in the near future and let you know the results . I have a 2018 Fat Bob 114 with stage 1 upgrade only , low mileage ( 6500 kilometres) so should be interesting to see what come out of a pretty much stock 1st generation M8 . Thanks Darren

@dagsharding3825 Год назад

Oh and also , the transmission top cover on my bike is cast aluminium not plastic so I was wondering what are your thoughts on me doing an external breather mod including a check valve installed before the filter/catch can ? Thanks

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Darren - that’s a good option. Just know that if you do the external breather mod (to divert the oil away from the throttle body) you also remove the potential for vacuum in the crankcase …but I haven’t been able to measure any vacuum generated by that. For me the crankcase vent is a definite, and the external breather mod is still worth considering because it keeps that gunk out of the throttle body. Let me know what you decide, and how it goes!

@dagsharding3825 Год назад

Hey Ron , yes mate I am aware of the so called vacuum created by the crankcase breathers . I am a Refrigeration mechanic and don't see how a venturi effect on 2 x ¼ inch diameter hoses would create any measurable vacuum if any . The fact that the breather pipes are also generally under positive pressure from the crank case would also negate a vacuum. For the crank case to create any significant vacuum it would need to be sealed air tight and if that was the case there would be no positive pressure build up ? Well that's my point of view anyway . I may have it all wrong but there are a lot of previous Harley engine that vented crankcase to atmosphere and no talk of vacuum issues ?

@davedave1019 2 года назад

Just stumbled on ur channel it’s great just like to ask u I’ve got a 2021 114 streetbob do u think I should vent the crank case even though I’ve got the updated pump 🇦🇺

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Dave - thanks for the kind words! I’m a fan of crankcase venting in general, based on what I’ve learned. Even without sumping these M8 motors can have significant crankcase pressure. In the video I did where I tried to measure crankcase vacuum, I used a plastic bag over the vent hose and you can see how it inflates - and I don’t have a sumping problem. It’s worth considering but don’t sweat it. You can find that video in the playlist I linked to in this video description. Hope that helps! And if you want a channel sticker send me a DM on Telegram or Instagram with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@robertpronovost3839 4 месяца назад

I think to get an in depth understanding you could do this but then pull sump plug and measure quantity.

@RonsWorkshop 4 месяца назад

Wouldn’t hurt! But I don’t the what volume to expect when pulling the sump plug. Let me know if you try it.

@tf2529 Месяц назад

Are these sumping issues still going on with the 2024 m8’s

@RonsWorkshop Месяц назад

I don’t believe so - they’ve made several improvements to address it. If you see any symptoms you could check further.

@juanz7908 2 года назад

How many miles when slumping can occur?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

I haven’t heard any consistent numbers. I’m at about 7700 miles with no issues.

@joemetzger1362 4 месяца назад

It’s my understanding between 4 to 8 oz. Is normal. Anything above that you have a problem.

@robertturriff9836 7 месяцев назад

I have a question for you. Did you get a service manual from the harley store or from a different store and what kind no one will answer this question.

@RonsWorkshop 7 месяцев назад

I found a PDF version of the official Harley service manual on eBay.

@rebel_ltz 2 года назад

Ron, you should do a walkaround of your bike. :)

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Tom rebel - thanks for the suggestion! I’ll put that on the list. You can see it in detail and hear it on my Stage III video if you want to check it out, but I like your suggestion of a a separate video for that. The Stage III video was only my second one ever, so you’ll have to put up with the “early days” 🤪 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vp9SMTqZOBA.html

@rebel_ltz 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Your video/audio quality progressed so much since, I wish you many more subscribers!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

@@rebel_ltz Thanks so much! And I forgot you had commented on the Stage III previsouly. But I definitely like the idea of a new walkaround vid.

@rebel_ltz 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Oh yes, I still have your stickers all over my toolbox. 😎 I’m a bit afraid to check my sumping state on my bike, it’s a 2018 - the worst year possible for an M8. I’ll definitely get a new oil pump in the future.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Yeah I hear you. Sometimes “ignorance is bliss” but if there is sumping, it can really cause damage. And be encouraged that’s it’s not all of the bikes. It’s just when there is a combination of factors that come together - like a bad piston oiler, etc.

@funhumanusa 2 года назад

Hi, if 10 minutes have gone by before you get the sensor out does that area fill with oil or should it remain virtually empty? I pulled the sensor and had at least 8 ounces of oil. I had just done a successful compression and leak down test one week prior after an over heating issue.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey FunHumanUSA - How long did it take? The 10 minutes is a guideline, but I'm not sure of a hard cutoff for the time. At some point oil will drain back down into the sump, but again, I'm not sure how long that would take. It took me a little bit more than 10 minutes too.

@funhumanusa 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop I got an easy 8oz after 20 minutes. This is a 2021, I have suspected this issue. I've had the symptoms multiple times after 45-60 minute high speed runs. All noise (exhaust) no acceleration. Engine running about 250 degrees.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Yeah that sounds like you’ve got a sumping problem, especially with the other symptoms added to the mix. Under warranty?

@funhumanusa 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop Questionable, did a SE 131 kit plus after market cam, tune, exhaust. 159hp 162tq if I have to pay for a oil pump and install I am OK with it. I just want the bike right. Just replaced faulty water pump last week (warranty). The bike had gotten hot so I had them do a leak down and compression test. Perfect results, bike has been running perfect. Maybe the oil pump gasket was not installed correctly during my build? HD's newest, not talk of them being faulty. I'll ride it tomorrow and see how it feels.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

I’m with you on that - wanting it right! Maybe it is something simple like that. I’d expect your bike to have the updated oil pump. If so, the pump itself should be fine. Let me know how it goes!

@timnevitt2993 9 месяцев назад

2022 rg st pulled my sump plug two months ago and got a lot of oil out of it but didnt measure, im going to do again this time i will measure

@RonsWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

Let me know how the second time goes…

@timnevitt2993 9 месяцев назад

@@RonsWorkshop 8 oz after 2000 miles

@RonsWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

@timnevitt2993 yeah, that’s on the high side.

@timnevitt2993 9 месяцев назад

@@RonsWorkshop the first time im pretty sure there was more

@RonsWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

Do you have any other sumping symptoms?

@PotatoeJoe69 2 года назад

I'm honestly surprised there isn't a drain plug built into the crank case. Even if sumping wasn't an issue, that seems like a massive oversight on Harleys part.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Agreed!

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

How about removing the sump plug it? What would you get out of that if you’re not sumping or if you are sumping

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

That I don't know...but...I believe the reason the crank sensor is a good indicator is because it's higher up. I guess there will always be some amount of oil behind the sump plug, but if gets high enough to come out of the crank sensor hole there could be a problem. DK Custom says 4-8 oz. from the sump plug, but I can't attest to the accuracy of that.

@davedave1019 2 года назад

Hey Ron so u put a nut on the inside of the tranny cover to tighten down the breather with red locktite pity it’s plastic if it was metal I could have tapped it cheers

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Dave - I agree completely! I was so bummed to learn it was plastic. Tapping the metal cover would be 👌🏼

@ValOzuna 2 года назад

What year is your bike? I have a 2020 fatboy 114 and I'm getting mixed readings on the dip stick when checking oil levels, yesterday I changed the oil, took it out for a ride came back and oil level was good or I'm not sure. On the manual it says when hot oil will be to top of dip stick, when cold oil will be in the middle and you need to add if it's at the bottom. Well when it's hot I'm getting readings in the middle of dipstick, I had just changed oil and I know I out 4 quarts so I figure we'll that's a good level, but today I drive it around a bit cause I'm trying to get my clutch where I like it and checked the oil and it's a little less than half the dip stick and I'm like wtf man, why am I getting readings all over the place. So now I'm thinking we'll maybe I got this sumping issue? I've never owned a Harley before so idk how this oil thing is supposed to mark on a motorcycle. Need help please!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Val - mine is 2019. It does seem strange that you’re getting erratic readings, but your bike should have the upgraded oil pump. Have you done the sumping check yet? It’s easy and probably worth doing. Let me know!

@ValOzuna Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop I just did this to my bike and I don't know if i should be pissed or confused or both. So I followed your rules came back and took out the sensor and it started leaking oil while leaned on the jiffy once it stopped I straightened the bike and omfg a whole lot of oil came out

@ValOzuna Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop should there be oil at all inside the crank case? Should I straightened it up and see how much comes out?

@ValOzuna Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop once I saw all that oil coming out I immediately put it back on jiffy and it stopped. I'm so worried right now, I just bought this bike, I'm pissed man. I need answers

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Val - yeah you might have something going on there.

@Playerzach93 Год назад

If you pull this while the engine is cold will oil drain out?

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Zach - quite possibly. The reason it should be done immediately after shutting it down is so that no oil drains back down into the sump. The idea is to measure what’s left in the sump with normal oil pump operation.

@Playerzach93 Год назад

Good to know, I am an idiot and just pulled it cold while on the jiffy stand…. And oil started pouring out. Haha next time I will actually listen to the instructions. 😂

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Don’t be hard on yourself. We’re all learning!

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

What is the size NPT used in trans cover? Both sides as in 1/4” goes into cover with 1/8” rubber hose goes onto…

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

Hey Heavy Metal - the hose barb is some weird thread pitch but pretty close to 1/8 NPT. I think I used 3/16” ID tubing but if I do it again I’ll use at least 1/4”.

@jimmyjohnson1452 Год назад

You have to pull the sump plug.Its lower in the case.

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

I believe the reason the crank sensor is a good indicator is because it's higher up. I guess there will always be some amount of oil behind the sump plug, but if gets high enough to come out of the crank sensor hole there could be a problem.

@ut1004bp Год назад

Ron, why not remove the crank case plug instead..and maybe grind the plug shorter while its out (it tends to extend too deep into the engine case and blocks/dams up the crank case oil level, holding addition oil depth the pump isnt able to reach to pull out..see Fueling's Shortly Plug for more detail on the problem and solution)..i simply grinded mine shorter by 2mm while checking oil retention in my case.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey ut1004bp - that's worth considering! I'm not sure if the expected results would be different when pulling the crankcase plug, but the modification to the crankcase plug seems to be simple and very beneficial. Have you done that mod?

@ut1004bp Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop yes sir, I measure mine, and I determined it extended about 2 threads deeper than the case thickness.. This sump plug I believe sits lower in the case than the crank position sensor..i guessing I drained 5-6 ounces but didn't get to it quickly after shutdown..just did it while doing an oil change..

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

@@ut1004bp thanks for sharing that!

@elusivesambar8657 11 месяцев назад

Has anyone found their bike sumps even after an aftermarket oil pump?

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

I haven't heard any definitive reports. One challenge is if there was a sumping problem before getting the new pump., there could be engine damage that can cause sumping even after the pump swap.

@dannyslice 9 месяцев назад

Just tested my 2019 and got 4oz

@RonsWorkshop 9 месяцев назад

Good news!

@juanz7908 2 года назад

So many issues. Does the M8 suck?

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Juan - lol good question. Mine is rock solid and I love it. But the sumping issue has been a real problem for some.

@juanz7908 2 года назад

Sounds like Harley should recall and fix this issue. Thanks for the info!

@mbuitendyk Месяц назад

Why not just pull the 1/4" Allen plug on the very bottom of the crankcase? I believe that's what its there for.

@RonsWorkshop Месяц назад

As I understand it, it has to do with how high up the check point is and how quickly the oil drains. Checking at a higher level accounts for all of that.

@NKBobcat Год назад

Great video but for the life of me I can't find a drawing that shows where that darn sensor is.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey NK Bobcat - front-right corner of the oil pan facing forward. The part number is 32700048 - you can probably do as a diagram if you search with that. Let me know if that helps!

@MrGbustamante Год назад

You showed the cps for like a second and no clear indication of where it is. I had to do further research.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey MrGbustamante - sorry I didn’t make that more clear. Let me know how the check goes!

@ThePaterfamilious 2 года назад

Total Seal Top Ring just about eliminates Crankcase Pressure on a new build... So if you rebuild often... No puke can needed!!! (Industrial Engineering, BS, BC, AC, ASE Master Mechanic... Retired!!!) If you do use a Vacuum in your Crankcase you DO NEED the Total Seal top or second ring (The Vacuum helps with Cylinder Lubrication & a longer lasting ring endurance profile)... ;-) Happy Race Day!!!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Lonnie - thanks for sharing that info!

@ThePaterfamilious 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop I'm just a ole tool left on the Bench and Love to see guys still out there building relationships with todays Kids!!! (I adopted 3 Girls, had 3 Girls Biologically and finished raising 2 twin Girls until they graduated High School) That was 8 Girls and not a Boy in the bunch to Go Kart or do Mini Bikes with... But I built a ton of Engines for Race & Street Rods!!! Out of everything I did I miss those Kids the most!!! ;-) Keep up the Good work, you lucky dog!!!

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Thanks Lonnie, and good work raising all those kids. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them! And if you want a sticker send me a DM on Telegram, Instagram or Signal with the mailing info @RonsWorkshop

@TimothyT230 Год назад

I can tell you a sure way to avoid

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Do tell…

@TimothyT230 Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop Buy an Indian. Only jokes, just being full of crap. Your videos are helpful 😎

@Sean-uc5vj 2 года назад

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey John - your comment didn’t come through. Please try again.

@Sean-uc5vj 2 года назад

@@RonsWorkshop sorry was a mistake but keep up the great videos etc. I own a 2020 Street Bob and enjoy your work. Thanks

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Thanks John, will do!

@scottrempel4718 2 года назад

Dude no you’re wrong if any oil comes out of there at all a year already in the red with the plug out you can have 4 to 6 ounces of oil in the crankcase still and nothing coming out of the crank case sensor

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Scott - thanks for the input on this. It can be difficult to get solid info. One this is for sure - less is better in this case!

@danchristopher7957 2 года назад

Spend $20k to $45k for a motorcycle and deal with this bs; ridiculous !

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey Dan - yeah it’s annoying. I wish HD would have done a recall & replacement on those early oil pumps. There have also been issues with failing piston jets from what I’ve heard and seen.

@Crimepaysaskapolitician 2 года назад

Harley Davidson should be responsible for manufacturing junk selling it to the public and shrugging their shoulders if even that.

@RonsWorkshop 2 года назад

Hey ML Greer - Yeah it seems like a factory recall is warranted for something as widespread as the sumping problems.

@markman7 Год назад

Harley using their customers for validation. Piss poor engine design, but their customers insist on buying junk, so that's what HD sells them.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

Hey Mark - what bikes / engines do you prefer?

@markman7 Год назад

@@RonsWorkshop I've had 2 Twin Cams. A Softail and a Street Glide over the last 20 years. They're dry sump to create compactness, and it just doesn't work. The M8 is just as troublesome. HD buyers accept this and throw thousands of dollars to correct what cannot be corrected with defective HD components and a multi piece crank. My solution is now a DCT Wing, and I can't be more pleased as it's incredible.

@RonsWorkshop Год назад

@@markman7 Honda precision & reliability!

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

I got a 2018 with glide had a 107 in it and I mean it would get up to 350° according to Power Vision I have a 131 I put in about a year and a half ago and it’s the same thing about 350° in 85° weather 70° weather 90° weather it’s 320 to 360° according to Power Vision… but yet when I take a physical reading from a temp, it reads in the 200 range on the heads on that clutch side spark plugs

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

That is puzzling. It seems like PowerVision would be reliable but that’s a big difference. Let me know what you find out.

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

Does sumping have impact on heat? Both my 107 and 130 heat up as high as 350 to 370 get while driving it will get up to about 320-330 sitting in traffic it gets up to like I said 352 370… this is on the engine temperature PowerVision reading… yet when I take a thermal temp gun pull the trigger it shows me @194-297front - rear… this is at the clutch side plugs

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

Yes, sumping can indeed contribute to higher engine temperatures.

@timnevitt2993 9 месяцев назад

that why i think im sumping because my head temps are getting up to 375

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

What about the: Milwaukee-Eight Shorty Feuling Sump Plug? The Shorty Plug is 0.265 Tall vs. OEM 0.465. Unblocks Scavenge Port Reduces Chance of Sumping Better Oil Level Readings

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

I’ve heard about that and it seems like a good solution. I haven’t tried it but I’d definitely be open to it.

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

@@RonsWorkshop I ordered it I’ll play the MLB a few weeks then I’ll take the stock one and I might put it down to .250… And see what that one will do, but I think that would be cutting it to the edge …

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

@@Heavy69Metal ok - please give me an update after your tests...

@Heavy69Metal 10 месяцев назад

@@RonsWorkshop give me some time on it and we will see also I did a 2” tank lift and 5/8” rear tank lift so more air would come over the heads and replacing the rear tank lift with either 3/4” or 1” lift see how that works as well.

@RonsWorkshop 10 месяцев назад

@Heavy69Metal excellent!