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GUILLUAME DE MACHAUT - Graindelavoix
Messe de notre dame with SCORE (only Machaut´s messe)
Dir.Björn Schmelzer
available in www.amazon.com/...
voices: François Testory Paul De Troyer Marius Peterson Adrian Sîrbu Björn Schmelzer David Hernandez Tomàs Maxé Bart Meynckens Arnout Malfliet Jean-Christophe Brizard
www.graindelavoix.be
01 Inviolata genitrix / Felix virgo / Ad te suspiramus gementes et flentes Motet by Guillaume de Machaut 00:00
02 Introitus: Salve sancta parens (plainchant) 04:42
03 KYRIE, Messe de Nostre Dame - Guillaume de Machaut 09:24
04 GLORIA, Messe de Nostre Dame 20:29
05 Graduale: Benedicta et venerabilis es virgo Maria
Anonymous (plainchant) 27:09
06 Alleluya: Post partum virgo Anonymous (plainchant) 33:00
07 Prosa: Verbum bonum et suave Anonymous (plainchant & version Codex Las Huelgas) 38:19
8 CREDO, Messe de Nostre Dame Guillaume de Machaut 42:36
09 Plange, regni respublica / Tu qui gregem tuum ducis / Apprehende arma et scutum et exurge Motet by Guillaume de Machaut 52:25
10 SANCTUS, Messe de Nostre Dame Guillaume de Machaut 55:35
11 AGNUS DEI, Messe de Nostre Dame Guillaume de Machaut
1:00:38
12 Communio: Beata viscera Anonymous (plainchant) & Perotinus (conductus) 1:04:30
13 ITE MISSA EST, Messe de Nostre Dame Guillaume de Machaut
1:12:01
Guillaume de Machaut
Messe de Nostre Dame

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@Gnosticization 8 лет назад

Very Peaceful ...I can feel it has a very medieval monastic chant, wondering if De Machaut wanted the Masse to be chanted in this way! Well I am confused I heard Messe de Notre dame in many forms , and now Graindelavoix become one of my favorites. Thanks for sharing the beautiful work of Guillaume de Machaut .

@MedievalRichard 7 лет назад

Just splendid.

@luisortega4991 7 лет назад

I really disliked this version when I heard it a week ago, and now it has grown to be my absolute favourite. They are awesome!

@METEK3 Год назад

Impressive

@Airy59 8 лет назад

Very interesting. First impression may be negative, sounds like organum influenced by free jazz. But after one gets used to the freedom, the cohesion of the whole starts to emerge. I do not like the tone of some upper voices, but they sound familiar, not far from corsica... So yes, definitely worth listening to carefully. And the sound engineer did a nice job.

@jimbo2227 4 месяца назад

Came here from Farya jaraji :)

@improgeneration8185 8 лет назад

I love Organum version. I love Oxford version (less neutral and better tempo than Binchois version). And yet what's more different ? This version (definitely closer to Organum ^^) made me cry.

@negrruvoda 6 лет назад

Amazing!

@klausmullt1851 8 лет назад

the bass singer. my god.

@jasonrosenholtz-witt3580 2 года назад

😲

@aggtfflol 6 лет назад

55:37

@tobiashaak3568 7 лет назад

Unfortunately the 16 foot bass-voice line reminds me of a bass fondamentale from rameaux, or a basso seguente of late 16. century pieces. It sounds a bit anachronistic and to much vertical for this linear type of Music.

@danyelnicholas 2 года назад

It certainly says more about our time than Machaut’s which is regrettable.

@zralokvemigraci Год назад

what do you mean?

@danyelnicholas Год назад

@@zralokvemigraci Granted we don’t know much about performance practice of the 14th c ce. Yet-I don’t know whether you have read any of Machaut‘s poëms or have seen some of the books made at his time or buildings built. They have a very different aesthetic atmosphere. I see absolutely no evidence or likelihood that his music would have been performed in an overstated, ostensibly « barbaric » and abstruse way as it is here. I mean, everybody is free to interpret it as they like and people might find it refreshing, but I myself am more interested in the work and would prefer less capricious attitudes…or very well grounded ones by historic evidence.

@virilitas Год назад

The problem here is the attempt to be hyper-authentic to a reconstructed idea of medieval music. Theory dominates musicality creating a sound that is paradoxically inauthentic.

@TheOktavismChannel 8 лет назад

Wonderful contra octave bass from Jean-Christophe Brizard. 58:55 and thereafter is a great example!

@JSabbat91 8 лет назад

That's *just* a C. He sings the G below that at 22.37, which is truly insane!

@tobiashaak3568 7 лет назад

I guess it's not that difficult with using vocal techniques like vocal fry. He just sings a G in great octave. Using vocal fry it sounds an octave lower. Nevertheless it's difficult to master this technique to get a clear Intonation.

@Sk0lzky 2 года назад

@@tobiashaak3568 Indeed it is not that difficult to sing sub-bass, assuming you're a solid bass already, (although my perspective is likely skewed due to learning to sing profondo basically since mutation) however the stability and clarity of this man's voice is really amazing, I genuinely have no idea how he manages to sing low notes so long on one breath without any wobble or cracking!

@jasonrosenholtz-witt3580 2 года назад

😳

@emiliocorti6080 8 лет назад

WONDERFUL! VIVA THE NEW! THANX

@lewstherintelamon1377 3 года назад

*That Bass*

@martyheresniak5203 2 месяца назад

I am a tad surprised by the nasal buzz in the voices. It is required in French and Portuguese, but certainly not in Latin. Is this a conscious choice by the singers/director?

@hipepleful Месяц назад

From what I recall, in the medieval era, they preferred the nasal tone in music

@CarlosGaMaMusica 7 лет назад

Es curioso, en el compás 12 el sol va a lab una coma o dos más bajas y baja haciendo una escala con claramente una segunda aumentada característica de la música arabica, persa, etc. Exactamente veo que utiliza sobretodo cuando está en la dominante. A diferencia de lo que veo en el otro con estilo bizantino que ornamenta muy seguido en trinos semitonales (o tambien algo más grandes) cuando reposan en incontables grados, aquí no deja de ser una ornamentación occidental pero con un rasgo intencionalmente microtonal aun que no siempre lo consigue pero que colorea en gran medida la composición.

@rolandoangel2110 7 лет назад

Toda la interpretación tiene detalles asi, que a mi gusto embellecen la obra. Como el antepenúltimo compás de la segunda repetición del primer Kyrie en la voz motetus. Invito a leer la filosofía del grupo, increíblemente entre los cantantes del grupo hay cantantes no profesionales, incluso bailarines; esto aporta color a la voces incluso apuestan por la improvisación y la intuición. Sin dudas es la segunda generación del Ensemble Organum, antagonistas de la maravillosa escuela inglesa, como The Tallis, o The Hilliard Ensemble. Gracias por escuchar esto.

@hollym3258 8 лет назад

the first minutes!!! oh my

@bigPianist99 6 месяцев назад

the best version.

@benniegepken8826 7 лет назад

Geweldig

@jesusherminiocarrillosanch2868 3 года назад

¡¡Excelente!!

@gexahedrop8923 2 года назад

accidentally combined the track 01 with ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Gp1z8ZfbtmY.html and got very nice combo, lol

@y11971alex 2 года назад

The final "Ite Missa Est" is simply stunning, both of the performers' and the composer's skills!

@stanislasdelatousche937 3 года назад

La Toussaint passe mieux, ma foi, avec leur grain de folie sur G.

@michelesalvemini6282 4 года назад

sublime

@jms2133 4 года назад

De múltiples influences, parfois de belles couleurs d’ensemble ; à l’inverse aussi des choses pour la part rebutantes ou à la limite du comique : abus de glissando, voix très nasales. Trop inégal.une version d’après Machaut avec des choix parfois très contestables. Intéressant de voir comment les timbres si différenciés éclairent la polytextualité.dans le motet.

@HarDiMonPetit Месяц назад

Oui, mais au final une ardeur expressive qui emporte tout!

@mateoguerrero2000 4 года назад

Maravilloso. Obra e interpretación. Gracias.

@hilalsen3300 5 лет назад

tuğçe en çok seni seviyo

@migueltorello4663 4 года назад

pasarse de listos es un pecado estetico

@Tagorehans 7 лет назад

excellent guys, excellent..at last one can listen to music of Machaut in this most beautiful interpretation...long live the middle-eastern 'warbling' because that is where all our European influences came from.....hats off for Schmelzer....

@GabrielWilliamsOfficial 3 года назад

can't tell if this comment is ironic

@Sk0lzky 2 года назад

>middle eastern implying it wasn't present in Roman tradition literal ages before being developed (or at least attested) in middle eastern sources

@Sk0lzky 2 года назад

@@GabrielWilliamsOfficial I'm afraid it's not, very common misconception even among musicologists and historians of music, since educational programs tend to skim over anything before... Well Machaut's time, actually lol; you know - monophonic singing and at best ancient greek homophonic choirs singing in "weird" scales, then nothing, then codification under Gregory, then nothing, then suddenly advanced polyphony with "jazzy" intervals and "strange" ornamentation magically appear lol

@GabrielWilliamsOfficial 2 года назад

@@Sk0lzky lol so true. I Wonder if there is a word for the opposite of eurocentrism. Eurodenialism?

@Ziad3195 Год назад

@Mikail are you stupid? It's true lol.

@Lerbun2008 2 года назад

Quelques sont les differences contre la"organum" version?

@mauricioamf 2 года назад

The fictas are more logical in this version And the ornementation it's more rich.

@miblish5168 2 года назад

Strange how the harmony doesn't match the score.

@mauricioamf 2 года назад

Música ficta and Flores, the score it's already a transcription of a manuscript. And many things are meant to be added to the score that are not written, (but strongly implied)

@TheBartok44 7 лет назад

Of course, we can discuss details of the performance - but just this is so wrong when concerned with music of the Middle Ages. What we know is that performances in those times were very very reflective of the means at disposal. The general APPROACH is great and rewarding as a listener taking part in the mass ceremony. I think this way of dealing with the music of the past - incorporating the natural potential of the performers and utilizing ornamentation techniques which embellish and add to the expressiveness - is what composers hope for and expect.

@tbraithwaite92 6 лет назад

I love that so many people think that this style of singing and scholarship are oxymoronic, descriptions of vocal technique from Medieval sources are reasonably few and few between, but this happens to come within 100 years of Jerome of Moravia, a Paris based monk who wrote extremely clearly about some of these specific ornaments which make us jump so quickly to the idea of 'middle eastern.' Interestingly, many of these ornaments are present well into the late 16th centuries with writers from Ganassi to Zenobi to Praetorius clearly describing these sorts of 'warblings.' As for vocal production, as far as I know there are no contemporary descriptions of this type vowel modification timbre, although there are several hints in this direction from the 16th and late 15th centuries. One thing is nearly certain though, the vocal style of modern 'Early Music' grounds with it's roots in mid 19th century vocal technique, is extremely unlikely to have been present at this time - and yet far fewer people complain about these group's lack of 'scholarship.'

@mauricioamf 2 года назад

Lots of things has changed on research... Most of what medieval music it's sung it's really dull... There are way more treatises about flores in singing, ornementation and also música ficta on plain chant.

@JuanPedrodelCoro 6 лет назад

splendide

@francoislebedel4428 8 лет назад

Je crois qu'on s'éloigne assez sensiblement de l'oeuvre de Machaut. Bon, c'est une "version", on aime ou pas. Pour ma part, je suis convaincu que l'interprétation qu'en donne Dominique Vellard et son ensemble Gilles Binchois est infiniment plus respectueuse de la partition. Par ailleurs, cette messe votive a été composée pour quatre chanteurs, simplement. Conclusion, cette pseudo-reconstitution dans une forme prétendue médiévale ne me plaît pas. Tous les goûts sont dans la nature. Je précise que, dans la lettre de fondation de cette messe votive, Guillaume précise la rémunération des QUATRE chantres qui seront chargés de la chanter chaque année à l'anniversaire de sa mort )pour le repos de son âme et de celle de son frère André, chanoine lui aussi de la cathédrale de Reims et qui était, avec lui, secrétaire du Roi de Bohème, Jean de Luxembourg qu'ils ont accompagné dans toutes ses batailles dans toute l'Europe. Enfin, je rappelle que nous ne sommes plus en plein Moyen-Âge, à la fin des années 1300 mais à la charnière avec la Renaissance que l'Ars Nova dont Guillaume fut l'un des ,promoteurs, anticipe déjà.

@tralala58 7 лет назад

Trop de double sensibles à mon goût et quelques altérations implicites discutables... Mais pour les avoir entendu en concert, c'est une expérience intéressante. Cette version plus proche de celle de l'ensemble Organum en son temps...

@coyotelosange 4 года назад

Non mais Jean-Michel Musicologie, faut que tu comprennes qu'à un moment va falloir que tu donnes un début d'argumentation pour qu'on ait l'impression que tu sais de quoi tu parles, et que t'es pas juste en train nous présenter tes goûts en matière d'interprétation vocale, ce dont on se tamponne par ailleurs. :D

@mauricioamf 2 года назад

C'est marqué ou que c'est pour 4 chanteurs? ?? 4 voix ne veut pas dire 4 chanteurs, lol. On s'éloigne de la version de l'ensemble Gilles binchois, alors, ça oui, largement. Mais on est plus proches de ce qui est décrit dans tous les traités de chant, plain chant et ornementation de l'époque... Tu peux ne pas aimer, certes, mais pour les gens qui sont intéressées par la pratique médiéval et la recherche musicologique, ceci est plus proche de ce qui était chante a l'époque que la version de Gilles binchois, qui est très propre(trop) et manque de sel. (Et bcp d'autres choses)

@stephenhall3515 8 лет назад

The long-awaited Machaut from this ensemble. Except that decoration and unwarranted 'middle-eastern' warbling has taken over from scholarship and beauty. The tendency was growing in the last few CD releases but has now gone much too far.I am reminded of the crash bang wallop of early Munrow and Beckett.Sorry Mr Schmelzer but you have lost your way and Machaut doesn't get much of a look in. Worst of all the overall experience is ugly.Dr S Hall, Ireland

@francoisl8816 8 лет назад

It sounds really close to the Organum ensemble's one (1997), and many other elements are coming from other works of the sames, like deep diphonic bass (Organum's Antoine de Fevin's requiem) or the alternate motetus voices in the Kyrie, using 4-3-4 voices, which is NOT in the original score! And talking about score, they used the same manuscript (out of 4 existing ones) So I guess they tried to go further than Organum...on the same path, which explains maybe your feeling! "Ethnographic" enlightening on ancient music interpretation is actually the great idea of Organum. A really new point of view. So I guess it's a good thing if there are followers in the younger generations!

@stephenhall3515 8 лет назад

Actually it was AL who mentioned "original score", not I. Of course I appreciate that interpretations will differ significantly with music of great antiquity. There are plenty of recordings of the Machaut which show this well. My objection is when "interpretation" has external agendas and, finally, when it is as UGLY as this. Stephen Hall

@ebn7722 8 лет назад

External agendas ? We have no recording from back then that indicate this way wouldn't be the initial way to sing it.

@thomasbaete5255 8 лет назад

that last sentence really made me laugh! But overall the experience of reading this reaction was quite ugly.

@rolandoangel2110 8 лет назад

exactly !, it is very good to have different point of view within the ancient music. You definitely have to love differences !!!

@stratowhore9051 4 года назад

"Graindelavoix" means "Grain of the voice," perhaps a reference to Roland Barthe's book.

@stratowhore9051 4 года назад

It sounds like they transposed it down rather than singing it as notated. Superior sound quality makes it much easier to follow the voices with the score.

@mauricioamf 2 года назад

The notation means nothing regarding vocal ranges. You sing according to the singers you have. The diapason as we think it today it's quite modern.