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@ydonl
@ydonl Месяц назад
I’ve been a programmer for decades, worked with a lot of people on a lot of machines in a lot of languages, for a lot of different projects. In my view, you’re doing great, learning a lot at a good pace. Your intuition serves you well. Remembering details will always be a pain. Keep going.
@jafo766
@jafo766 Месяц назад
That's not intuition , it's years of conventional machining experience that gave him a solid foundation of knowledge , he's a great machinist.
@ydonl
@ydonl Месяц назад
@@jafo766 I agree he’s a great machinist. What I was trying to say is that programming is very different skill than machining; it requires different parts of your brain (though some the same), and intuition is an important part of it - being able to look at the problem, and construct a solution, maybe more from creativity than previous knowledge. It’s one of the things I very much admire about Adam - “figuring stuff out.”
@jafo766
@jafo766 Месяц назад
@@ydonl I understand you meant him no disparage.
@KnolltopFarms
@KnolltopFarms Месяц назад
I love me a spiral flute tap, such a beautiful process. And as soon as I thought "I hope they show it coming through the underside...", Abby panned down and made it so. Mahalo.
@HybridiHippo
@HybridiHippo Месяц назад
Tip to consider😉 When you made test part and you confirmed program OK✅ Save it to template and in new work pease you just hav to select hole locations again😊 That is cool tapping with Big boys tap💪
@mattcyr3342
@mattcyr3342 Месяц назад
A toolpath i use quite often in Fusion 360 is the Bore command, It basically lets you customize a helical ramp into a bore effectively roughing out with less haystacking, Works awesome with corner radius endmills. Glad youre using fusion now 👍
@joewhitney4097
@joewhitney4097 Месяц назад
Adam, You keep letting Abby to the tapping, she's going to rob all the fun from you! 😃Those flex arm machines for drilling, chamfering, and tapping are just awesome. They make it look so effortless. Thank you for sharing.
@jafo766
@jafo766 Месяц назад
WOW a 2" tap in that Flex-Arm.
@eastcoastwatch672
@eastcoastwatch672 Месяц назад
Don’t worry about remembering everything like keep tool down, there’s so much s+%# to learn, you’re doing great! Hell, we all have had smart phones for years and we’re still learning what they can do !!!
@PoulLausen
@PoulLausen Месяц назад
I am absolutely impressed with the FlexArm, what a the torque it can deliver 😲😲😲😲
@tjlovesrachel
@tjlovesrachel Месяц назад
Hydraulics are a beautiful thing
@kenshoemaker
@kenshoemaker Месяц назад
If you haven't already, consider using a ship's windshield wiper unit. The rotating glass throws off liquids, giving a clear view in even the roughest weather. I've seen them installed on CNC machines at Westec in Los Angeles.
@dwhighsmith
@dwhighsmith Месяц назад
Great video as always! One thing you may want to consider. I use to machine a lot of flat plate type projects(drilling, reaming, tapping, & milling) on a HAAS CNC Mill. The plate or flat bar was nominal in size(hot rolled, cold rolled) and saw cut. I found that if you measured each plate (small batch) length & width and marked the center with a scribe or if you can a punch; make that point your Origin point for X & Y. It will make your hole locations out to the edge or corner more consistent. Take care.
@martinconnelly1473
@martinconnelly1473 Месяц назад
The drawing showed the holes dimensioned from the edges. I don't know if this was a choice for the CNC or if the end user did it that way on original drawings but picking the centre of a flame cut plate as your origin might mean having to reset the XYZ zeros for each plate. Using the edges against fixed mounting points on the machine means set the zeros once and that's it.
@scotttomlinson1057
@scotttomlinson1057 Месяц назад
The sound of that tap is amazingly crunchy! Love it. Love the content! Keep up the good work! Go Abby!!
@gaznsal4eva
@gaznsal4eva Месяц назад
Anyone else find it ironic that Adam has one hell of an eye for details, wiping the smallest spec of dust off the work pieces, yet that Gorbel remote so was filthy he had to wear gloves 😂, appreciate all the time you spend explaining your thought process Adam, keep up the great work! Enjoying the ‘new’ cnc work too it’s inspirational that after working with manual machines for so long you are confident to share your learning experience. 👍🏻
@MadmanJimbo
@MadmanJimbo Месяц назад
Kevin does the drawings and the programs. He’s the programmer with the skill sets and Adam is the machine operator. Pretty much how most factories work. Bottom line is it takes a real commitment to CNC programming to be one. Adam is a great manual machinist and a just a CNC machine operator. But at least we see how most CNC shops really operate, with factory workers doing the machining
@zorbakaput8537
@zorbakaput8537 Месяц назад
That is some comment. Does an operator change programs edit them and prove them out? Not in my experience. Your effort to devalue the training and learning process Kevin and Adam are going through is quite frankly piss poor. How many operators own their own shops and cnc machines? Don't bother answering no doubt it will be negative self justification
@marley589
@marley589 Месяц назад
He was given everything.
@MadmanJimbo
@MadmanJimbo Месяц назад
@@zorbakaput8537 operators find zeroes, and make adjustments (an operator is semi skilled). they don’t write programs and establish tool paths etc. now go Ahead and try to say Adam does that. He doesn’t. He tweaks at best and has to call Kevin about a lot of those tweaks. He’s a heck of a manual machinist but he’s not going to be a CNC guy any time soon. Even the CNC work he does is only drilling holes. Get real. Adams Channel was built on manual machining. This stuff is beyond his ability, or his time to learn fast enough. It’s been YEARS and he’s drilling holes with another programmer writing the programs.
@MadmanJimbo
@MadmanJimbo Месяц назад
@@marley589 no, that’s not right. He built a strong channel on manual machining and worked hard. Now he’s struggling with CNC
@samsmith9764
@samsmith9764 Месяц назад
16:45 dang i can see why you love watching these drills work, its like theyre cutting through wood, not metal. love it
@NSResponder
@NSResponder Месяц назад
Didn't realize just how powerful that FlexArm is. I'm impressed.
@bboomer7th
@bboomer7th Месяц назад
Hi. I enjoy the machining. It’s your personality that keeps me coming back.
@musoangelo
@musoangelo Месяц назад
And for all the news out there, there is positive news if you look. As China becomes more bellicose, a lot of manufacturing is moving back to the western hemisphere. We need skilled people to operate machines that will allow us to compete with cheap labor overseas and increasingly, in our hemisphere. There was a move several decades ago to remove shop classes from high schools and funnel kids into white collar work but that has been fraught with problems. There are people who will lead better lives in both white and blue collar jobs and if we're smart, we'll make available the training for young people to find their sweet spot in finding a career that will allow them to take pride and make a good living in their chosen fields. Content like this shows what's possible.
@Gwe686
@Gwe686 Месяц назад
Shop classes were removed from high schools to reduce budgets as they are expensive
@silasmarner7586
@silasmarner7586 Месяц назад
Yep, he's part of the solution, not the problem, to be sure.
@PaleoWithFries
@PaleoWithFries Месяц назад
I really liked the closeout followed by the cleanup of the parts. A nice gentle cooldown after all that work! Good edits and work you two!
@davidbaker308
@davidbaker308 Месяц назад
Glad to see that I’m not the only person that still uses a Wildcat grinder. I have a Black and Decker and 2 Dewalts. They are heavy but monsters.
@oudijzergek
@oudijzergek Месяц назад
He Adam, just stick a clear view screen in front of the camera. They are usually found on boats to provide a clear view in rain etc, its a rotating window that just centrifuges the water or snow etc off it. Just the thing for this coolant shower ! Edit, stick it in the side door window and the camera can be outside of the machine ! (and you can see through also)
@mfc4591
@mfc4591 Месяц назад
That is one heck of a tap and the way Abbey makes ot look easy, means the machine is doing a lot of hard work.
@larry3064
@larry3064 Месяц назад
Abby is getting to be a pro with the flex arm. Always nice to see her smiling face on a video. Very cool video. Thanks for sharing 👍
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC Месяц назад
-12:40 Even in the production shop I worked at (where every minute counted), doing an "Air Cut" before each job was mandatory. Even when just loading a pre existing program we used weekly for years, we had to do an air cut.
@craigulatorOne
@craigulatorOne Месяц назад
Adam consider designing a lexan lens screen/inspection window, coat it in rainX and install a small low pressure air header at the top with enough coverage to clear the workpiece coolant and not make a lot of noise. I imagine it's frustrating having to clean the glass all the time.
@BradPow
@BradPow Месяц назад
I've been working on Cnc equipment since 2002, and watching Adam learn brings back memories of exactly how i used to think and overthink everything haha. Great job adam, you're going to excel at this
@andrewstoll4548
@andrewstoll4548 Месяц назад
I would think you would loosen up the Flex Arm head a bit before attaching the magnet to the plate.
@chrislarkins
@chrislarkins Месяц назад
No point in loosening it up if it turns out to be aligned already, only when it needs to be realigned
@MikeBaxterABC
@MikeBaxterABC Месяц назад
11:05 ... I love those giant indexable insert drill bits!!! .. they are actually cheaper than HSS Drill Bts,when you get into the bigger sizes too! .. As I've mentioned i the past part of my job used to be sharpening drills for the other employees. The inserts make that step unnecessary! too!
@ValiRossi
@ValiRossi Месяц назад
That flex arm is a studley machine. That was fun.
@generessler6282
@generessler6282 Месяц назад
Cool to see some big metal in your shop. In some ways I miss the days of giant shaft turning. Haha. You know a guy has passion for his craft when he can say a thread tap is "most fun" :-)
@RobertGracie
@RobertGracie Месяц назад
Ah another relaxing video to watch from Adam, keep them coming!!
@Marcus_Caius
@Marcus_Caius Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing. You need a wiper for that window 🤤
@JohnBare747
@JohnBare747 Месяц назад
I always get a kick out of watching Abby getting enthusiastic about doing a shop procedure. I guess in this case Abby's dance was a 'Tap Dance!" Love that beautiful tap, a thing of beauty in itself. Can't imagine having to crank it manually through all 8 holes, not at 82 at least. Perhaps in my 20's or 30's it would just be a challenge to find the cheater pipes and another beefy guy to help tap it straight.
@rogert.winemiller40
@rogert.winemiller40 Месяц назад
Great video and Abby is looking great, like she has lost some weight!! You go girl
@miken3260
@miken3260 Месяц назад
What I like is that you have shown us a new way to make large holes.
@ilaril
@ilaril Месяц назад
That 3D sensor looks cool! Nice and easy way to find the real zero, it seems. Also thanks for leaving the cleanup on there too. Even though I kinda have a clue how it'd be done, I still like to see. Wouldn't have known to use a hammer on the slag.
@lucianandrei4802
@lucianandrei4802 Месяц назад
WOW , e prima data cind vad un asemenea sistem de filetare atit de mare , se vede ca tehnologia a evoluat , e o adevarata placere sa lucrezi cu asemenea aparatura !
@CrimFerret
@CrimFerret Месяц назад
It's cool watching you learn this stuff. Far less chatter with the second plate. A CNC machinist on another channel I follow was asked how you know if you have the feed rate and spindle speed right. His answer was "If it sounds bad, something is wrong."
@duanecarlson8440
@duanecarlson8440 Месяц назад
Ad a step to your program to bring a center drill down to spot your holes for verification before any actual machining.
@jamesogorman3287
@jamesogorman3287 Месяц назад
The bots are active in the comments today. Thanks for the video, Adam.
@videodistro
@videodistro Месяц назад
Yes. I report every one I see. I hope others do too.
@ZombifiedWatermelon
@ZombifiedWatermelon Месяц назад
I work in the electrical transmission industry where we have parts very similar to this. Your drawing technique is good. Always use those TYP dimensions when possible and start from one corner of the piece.
@angelramos-2005
@angelramos-2005 Месяц назад
It´s moving in the right direction.Thank you,Adam and Abby.
@dwhighsmith
@dwhighsmith Месяц назад
Good evening. Thanks for the reply. I agree, if it was large batch production you wouldn’t have the time to line up to center on each one but, if it’s a small batch and you’re looking for symmetry center point has always worked best for me. Take care
@paulmace7910
@paulmace7910 Месяц назад
I don’t know what those plates are holding but whatever it is it must be stout. Good job. Next learning objective is thread milling.
@nicholasfrediani9466
@nicholasfrediani9466 Месяц назад
Adam there are these little machines with a spinning piece of glass that spins up close to the windows and flings the coolant away so you can see. I'm not sure who makes them but I've seen them before.
@rogertrett406
@rogertrett406 Месяц назад
Those big threads would have been ideal candidates for using thread milling in the Flex CNC.
@hansieveldsman8553
@hansieveldsman8553 Месяц назад
Get an air nozzle to blow on the camera lens while filming inside the flex. It will blow the coolant off for better video quality.
@janosnagyj.9540
@janosnagyj.9540 Месяц назад
4:32 This is how my old mechanical alarm clock sounds like 😅
@ianmoone2359
@ianmoone2359 Месяц назад
A filming suggestion for you where coolant is a problem on the lenses. I imagine that you have protective filters over the actual lense to prevent any damage from chips and grit in the coolant? Try coating your filters with a product called “rainex”. I’ve seen it used at sea on the windows of lobster boats & it makes even sea water bead up and roll right off, much like what happens with raindrops when you wax your car. Give it a try, I have a suspicion you will have to stop program and clean lenses a lot less often. 👍 Enjoyed the video, keep it up. 👍👍👍🇦🇺
@FrancSchiphorst
@FrancSchiphorst 23 дня назад
LOL @4:30 like an old alarm clock sending a distress signal in morse code :)
@oldpup2182
@oldpup2182 Месяц назад
Oil field tooling, valves and even casing heads, never saw a 2" UNC tap before. You get to have all the fun...:)
@mitchs323
@mitchs323 Месяц назад
I think my favorite thing on these videos is seeing the picture of Adam, his dad and grandfather!
@liamkelly8684
@liamkelly8684 Месяц назад
Ya like back in the day when he made really good videos
@bboomer7th
@bboomer7th Месяц назад
I appreciate that too.
@malcolmpeters-k1i
@malcolmpeters-k1i Месяц назад
@@liamkelly8684 Maybe only include the pic for the manual machining videos, as his dad had no interest in the CNC stuff.
@CncMachinistCalculatorUltra
@CncMachinistCalculatorUltra Месяц назад
That is a beastly Flex arm! If you ever need to calculate thread dimensions (pitch, major, minor, root radius, etc), give my app a try. It will calculate all UN threads, including specials like UNS, UNJS, & UNRS, per the requirements of ASME B1.1-2019. There's an option to allow for anodize or plating, and it provides over wires dimensions for external threads. Just search for "CNC Machinist Calculator Ultra" in the App Store or Google Play (you can also create & export thread milling programs, not that you need to with that Flex arm).
@joeramirez1872
@joeramirez1872 Месяц назад
Awesome Abby has joined the Abom taping party.😊
@c0mputer
@c0mputer Месяц назад
23:05 Not going to lie, that jump to fast forward scared me, haha
@user-dn4iv2ne6r
@user-dn4iv2ne6r Месяц назад
Adam, if the rain gets annoying, you can send it out west. We have some trouble with some fires.
@gragor11
@gragor11 Месяц назад
Haven't been here for a while. Good to see your improvement in skills with this beast. I enjoyed watching the high speed clean up segment. Always tricks to be learned watching mundane tasks. I see your little passel of haters are still here. We should all go down to their channels and watch THEIR videos . . . Ya right. 19:30 So the head does the + & - X and the table does the + & - Y ? Was not expecting that table motion. Perhaps it was not the table but the carriage. Table moving doesn't make much sense.
@gragor11
@gragor11 Месяц назад
It's more obvious later with the longer shots that it is the Gantry.
@dr.feelgood2358
@dr.feelgood2358 23 дня назад
those coolant-thru drills are the bees knees!
@Galerak1
@Galerak1 Месяц назад
When you're getting materials delivered to your shop with ABomb scrawled all over them I'd be surprised if there aren't some government agencies watching the place now under the suspicion of a 2nd Manhattan Project 😉 🤣 and I love that Abby is getting almost as interactive as Mrs.InheritenceMachining. Keep up the good work Abby, you'll soon be as good a machinerist as Adam 👍
@hasletjoe5984
@hasletjoe5984 Месяц назад
Thank you both for the great video. Such a great team and super neat to see how things are crafted. Thank you
@ThisMFINGuy
@ThisMFINGuy 18 дней назад
U found your ying to your yang that’s great too man
@ThisMFINGuy
@ThisMFINGuy 18 дней назад
Caos to your spectrum!! Lol
@hubbsllc
@hubbsllc Месяц назад
We here in Atlanta call these plates “pavement.”
@g.l.g.6064
@g.l.g.6064 Месяц назад
Still looking for my 1/4 x 20 tap, super impressed by the flex arm tapper. Great helper you have with you !! 😎👍
@davidlittle9010
@davidlittle9010 Месяц назад
Man. 45 minutes of drilling 8 holes and 15 of tapping. I didn’t fall asleep but maybe next time.
@BCHonea
@BCHonea Месяц назад
Giant monster tap in the flex arm = greatest asmr ever
@josaonline09
@josaonline09 Месяц назад
I love how damn nervous you sound…appreciate you trying new ways of doing things even when you have a tried and true method available…takes guts
@kindabluejazz
@kindabluejazz Месяц назад
He's still learning. He did a lot of test runs over many hours and days, and still made at least 3 mistakes (that he showed and admitted). Luckily none of them were costly or catastrophic.
@johnperkins7179
@johnperkins7179 Месяц назад
Flex arm is always cool, but that drill bit is a metal eating monster...Wow.
@frankerceg4349
@frankerceg4349 Месяц назад
Thank you Adam!
@magicman9486
@magicman9486 Месяц назад
Looks like your really starting to make money with the flex CNC. great to see.
@CharlesSnyder
@CharlesSnyder Месяц назад
Adam, have you tried blowing air across the GoPro lens to keep it clean while machining? Doesn't need much, 20 or so psi.
@temporalillusion
@temporalillusion Месяц назад
I was going to suggest the same thing. Even make a small flat thin nozzle and you maybe could make an air curtain that would blow any fluid down and away before it even got to the camera.
@atomicsnarl
@atomicsnarl Месяц назад
If you wanted a bit more fancy, and a nice side project, make a plexiglass disk clearview window like on ships. It could mount on/with the GoPro and help protect it from spray and keep the lens clear.
@alanspeyrer6549
@alanspeyrer6549 Месяц назад
thread mill in the Flex cnc. you have a cnc, use it and do all operations on one machine with only one setup.
@karlbeckmann8865
@karlbeckmann8865 Месяц назад
Probably doesnt have enough torque, or is too fast in lowest speed.
@snowdog90210
@snowdog90210 Месяц назад
He said he’s not there in his training I think. Didn’t want to mess up the big pieces
@corndog6700
@corndog6700 Месяц назад
​@@karlbeckmann8865 you single point the threads. You don't need much torque. That 2 inch tap, needs a bunch of torque. Even the multi tooth thread mills don't need much torque.
@karlbeckmann8865
@karlbeckmann8865 Месяц назад
@@corndog6700 Yes, of course. I've read it wrong. I thought he meant using the 2inch tap in the FlexCNC.
@michaelsulwer779
@michaelsulwer779 Месяц назад
you can't thread mill the threads on that machine?
@mightydeku
@mightydeku Месяц назад
lol! Love Abbie’s shirt! :D
@raystormont
@raystormont Месяц назад
Great work. Maybe you could try a small underwater enclosure for camera with rain-x on lens cover and an air nozzle positioned to continuously clean windshield/lens cover? This would allow for you to get clear video w/o worrying about coolant messing up content and give camera extra protection. How much for that massive tap and seperately the flex-arm system, it's very impressive it did not visibly hesitate with a 2" tap, that's a lot of torque. I could watch this type of tapping content much more? More Abby! Ray PS Extra "B" in your name may make sense.
@jimhunt5259
@jimhunt5259 Месяц назад
Never get old!😃
@markstone6368
@markstone6368 Месяц назад
Adam, How about running an airline over to where you mount your camera and blow a curtain of air in front of your lens to keep it free of coolant. MJ
@pekkahelminen7801
@pekkahelminen7801 Месяц назад
Try out rocol rtd liquid cutting fluid. Best i have come across.
@SUMOCAT86
@SUMOCAT86 Месяц назад
I agree. Rocol in liquid or paste form is absolute magic.
@billl1222
@billl1222 Месяц назад
She's having just to much fun...
@metro_ss
@metro_ss Месяц назад
Love how much she has enjoyed being involved and learning !! 46:16
@milesbailey1890
@milesbailey1890 Месяц назад
You could put air on the lens for clearing the fluid while its videoing
@ronnydowdy7432
@ronnydowdy7432 Месяц назад
I was going to say that and you said it first. Lol
@chadstrand7868
@chadstrand7868 Месяц назад
thanks for the video
@Illtakeakersakerslight
@Illtakeakersakerslight Месяц назад
I agree that this is probably a job for a threadmill. That tap looks REALLY expensive and if were to break it's probably a scrapped part. Threadmills arent cheap either, but they can be offset and re-run to suit the application.
@waikanaebeach
@waikanaebeach Месяц назад
Great work Adam, you are building confidence…
@joopterwijn
@joopterwijn Месяц назад
Imagine to do that tapping by hand….
@aaronrroy
@aaronrroy Месяц назад
Thank you for the video. I’m must say Abbey is the star of this video, please let her know!
@nightfire328
@nightfire328 Месяц назад
They really wrote "Abomb" on that plate? 😂
@gottfriedschuss5999
@gottfriedschuss5999 Месяц назад
Adam, Great video. At 40:10 and elsewhere, those are some gnarly chip curls! From the perspective of a former plumber, I sure like flooding such taps (and dies) with dark, sulfurated cutting oil. Your "foamy" cutting lube is a whole lot less messy.
@ThisMFINGuy
@ThisMFINGuy 18 дней назад
Hydrollics are so fascinating
@chrisv4640
@chrisv4640 Месяц назад
could you set up a little air nozzle that pointed at the camera to blow it off?
@deemstyle
@deemstyle Месяц назад
That’s one hell of a tap; I bet that single tap costs more than my entire tap collection. Let’s not even discuss the cost of the flex arm machine itself which probably costs more than my house. Excellent product placement!
@nickskulark6318
@nickskulark6318 Месяц назад
That flex arm is huge
@corndog6700
@corndog6700 Месяц назад
Adam, check this out. Have you ever thought about maybe doing a demonstration with interpolating thread milling on some parts, your software should handle the programming, and I've done it on difficult materials before (single point in titanium that was being difficult and breaking taps, 4-40 thread, boring them to the high end of the tolerance, plunging to the bottom of the holes, feeding out and interpolating up and out, you can control pitch diameter very closely doing that) or using the multi tooth inserts that are available now also. It really shows the capabilities of CNC machining as far as really precision thread machining. Just a thought.
@TheCaptainphil
@TheCaptainphil Месяц назад
Go Abbey !
@rbrown264
@rbrown264 Месяц назад
hat a taping beast
@stevemcpike9010
@stevemcpike9010 Месяц назад
Abby, your looking hotter with each passing week! A lot of work, I know. Proud of you!!!😊
@HammondOfTexas0
@HammondOfTexas0 Месяц назад
At one point AvE put one of those spinning windows you see on boats on his cnc mill. That way it stayed clear even when it was getting splashed with coolant. Might be a nice modification at some point.
@A.SP0
@A.SP0 Месяц назад
ABom! Thanks for the videos man! Hey I was thinking about the issue of the camera lens getting coolant splash back on it. Would a wall or stream of compressed air blowing in front of the camera lens keep coolant off the camera? Anyway thanks for the videos and the content! Saw some dumb comments ragging on the content. Just wanted to counter those comments with a positive one and say thanks!
@JimWhitaker
@JimWhitaker Месяц назад
Edge Precision had a video addressing this issue a couple of years (?) ago. Not easy to solve.
@vasyapupken
@vasyapupken Месяц назад
you can use XPS foam insulation plates to check your programs.
@lapierretube1735
@lapierretube1735 Месяц назад
39:56 best moment 👍
@yelims20
@yelims20 Месяц назад
a watchmaker's tap... LOL
@Only1Shadow
@Only1Shadow Месяц назад
Could you build some sort of jig to blast compressed air down in front of the camera lense and create an air curtain to keep us faithful viewers dry?
@BuggsK100RS
@BuggsK100RS Месяц назад
Looks like you will be needing to get some apprentice projects set up for Abby ( Could be a nice Vid series First Machining projects with Abby? )
@th.vollbrecht
@th.vollbrecht Месяц назад
Ein Profi macht die Fase auch an die Rückseite der Bohrungen und nutzt die Maschine für die Gewinde. Programme auch mal alleine machen. Direkt an der Maschine selbst eintippen. So lernt man am Besten. Lieben Gruß aus Old Germany
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