Machynlleth Horseshoe or the B@stard Lane. Extreme Welsh Green Lane 

+Mike Mills It's been like this for at least the last 4 years of me driving it. It's a cracking lane and well worth being treated with some respect. It's so far out of the way though I think the anti's would have a hard job closing it down.

It's a cracking lane....and not far for me now either!

Hi when he means horse shoe is this horse shoe pass llangollen mate never seen this trail before

+Rick I Its getting tougher and tougher to find challenging legal routes but the Land Rover spirit lives on!! lol

+Chris Saunders Thanks for the great feedback mate. I was only out at the weekend in Shropshire letting my brother drive and reminding myself of how incredible they are and what terrain they can easily overcome!

+Gabriel Sithole lol. I was rescued by one of the young ladies in the crew grabbing the scruff of my neck and dragging me back out of danger! That track is one of my all time favs!

I envy you guys there. The wet terrain is something else. For us here in South Africa, we going through a drought, so we haven't had much wet places throughout 2015. Off the beaten track, I saw a comment from a guy who is concerned about the environment etc. Cool, it's a legitimate concern whatever, yada yada. I therefore extend an invitation to you and any other LR fanatic(Okay...Jeep drivers can come too, someone has to cook for LR drivers in the bush), just once in your lifetime, come down to South Africa, should the environment concerns/laws there get any tougher there. Yes, we concerned about the environment as well...but we not pissy about it :)

+Gabriel Sithole lol. That's a very kind offer. The thing with the UK is that there is this very PC brigade of people who actually don't understand what causes the damage. They certainly wont get out there and get their hands dirty digging drainage channels to help the lanes, as 4x4 volunteers do all the time. Its typical stuff from small minded people and we ignore then where we can.

Definitely not mate. The Range Rover Classic rear end was a bit of a mess after the descent!

No that's fine but then I take it you are not from the UK. Also don't forget most of these Vehicles are virtually standard. Its about the toughest lane you are going to do in a standard truck!

No, not from the UK. Most our stuff has to be pretty well done up to make it to the place where only big boys play. Its an expensive hobby.

Yeah I've had this chat with American lads before. Most of us are doing this in what is our daily drive so what we classify as tough or severe is going to be at a whole different level. Arguable when your doing this in your daily drive (road legal cars) where you want to avoid damage, it becomes more about driver skill and good recovery techniques.

It is a medium trail in. Jeep 👍🏻

+Shem Llewelyn when we plan a route we tend to keep it fairly circular so we don't repeat any lanes or over use an area. In this case I led for a short while and took us to the wrong end of this lane to start from so that to naturaly carry on with the circular route it made more sense to go to the other end of the lane. I must admit I have only ever seen a group of trailbikes on that lane and never another group. Other than the track itself it looks untouched. I am not a local but the last time I was on the lane there were 2 forestry vehicles at the start of the track and some kind of logging machine off to the side of the track. That will be some 18 months ago now though. I was told yesterday that someone has vandalised the waterfall end. Not sure if you have seen that?

+Shem Llewelyn my pet hate is massive groups going on a lane. Especially if they then damage it. We have safely got standard vehicles up there many times

lol. Yeah yeah. The Jeeps are amazing, I get it! Go drive it and show me! The 110 and the tricked up black 90 did fine without the rocks as well.

I’ll tag along next time you do the route. Jeep GC WK. If I do get stuck that’ll be some video for you. Lol.

Have done the Loop in my Jeep a few times over the last few month, no issues.

+Balh _ where are you located? There is a brilliant online fb group I'm supporting called GlassReloaded. Amazing resource with some great guys and a few run experience day and navigation workshops for free to help newbies get going.

Shouldn't be a problem although the group is run by my mate now. Track them down online or on facebook and they will hook you up I'm sure.

+leighavfc2703 actually after watching vid properly it may not be a good idea to do in a freelander 2 LOL

+leighavfc2703 there is a Green Lane guide I know called Kelvin Carpenter who lanes in a Freelander. They are actually quite capable in the right hands but me personally I wouldn't take on anywhere near this particularly lane. In fairness it's about the most extreme lane left I know of

Generally speaking the 110 is more planted and the longer foot print copes with terrain better. However when things get tight on the lanes the 110 can be hard to manoeuvre. I prefer the 110 because I like to camp as well and it gives me lots of space

Is it advisable to upgrade shocks and springs before greenlaning?

Not not at all. That just gives you a little more clearance but then you have knock on effects of altering your vehicle geometry. To start with go for MT tire's in a taller size than standard. We go out with standard cars and just take it slower with them!

It's been a long time since I had an idiot comment on one of my films. Congratulations! The fact that we did it and it worked probably passed you by!

No I was merely commenting on that fact that that little obstacle should not have required rock stacking. the vehicles are not very capable. Nice lanes though. ;-)

Road legal almost standard UK vehicles. Nothing else in the world in the price bracket as standard can come close. Most of those are 15+ years old and cost less than 2 weeks salary. One did go up without help but the rest took no chances as they had a weekend trip to finish so why risk it smashing them up with excessive power. I'm guessing you're American............

In the UK I'm pretty damn sure. Interestingly it's only recently we had a Jeep enthusiast come along. He is in the £1800 auto DISCO that sales up. His Jeep is up for sale at double that. There will always be exceptions but I believe your standard £1,500 DISCO 1 will out perform anything in that bracket!

The age old Jeep versus Land Rover. I can only go by what I've seen. Why not go do that lane yourself and show me!

Bit of an unwritten rule not to share lane info publicly. If you can use an OS look for the gold course and you won't go far wrong

Sorted. I know some lads that have been there but not seen any film of it l. Looks good. Maybe next Saturday after strata!!

lowrangers2012 Looks like a fantastic lane! My friends and I are going to wales next month and would love the do this lane, everyone says its amazing! I've found the golf course on the maps, but cant see any Byways near it around Machynlleth, any chance you could give me a hint please? Would be great if we can find it! Many Thanks

Graham Wells It's kind of simple mate. Find Machynlleth on the map. Literally the name then look North. Its a heart shaped route through the forest going North and then looping back on itself at Pen-y-bont.

lowrangers2012 legend, got it - thanks! Ill try to put a video up if we can get there next month, see if I can tackle the massive step! I'm in a grand vitara, might struggle...

MMmm! Part right. Oversized tyres don't ruin anything. Especially not in that area where the forestry vehicles and machines are considerably bigger. Inconsiderate drivers ruin it for everyone everywhere. Personally I'd prefer not to damage it in the first place but yes if you do damage you should try to leave it as you found it. Common sense!!

I only say oversized tyres really for areas where they seem to damage soft areas in a way that makes it overly difficult for lower vehicles. Some places you just can't drive round. Love your vids, you are conscious of what you do and considerate to others. Keep up the good work.

I understand. The tyre debate is always interesting with people claiming you shouldnt drive on anything but AT's. I'm a believer in letting people mod and drive what they like. They key is driving respectfully. If the ground is so soft that a tyre can damage it, it doesn't matter what size it is, you probably should consider not driving it in the first place. Where standard vehicles cannot get through it's more often than not down to natural erosion or farm vehicle damage. It's not often because of some idiot tearing through wearing big boots.

I can only assume you are a walker or rider. Like many of your kind, the attitude that Green Lanes are for one type of traffic is narrow minded. This is a great example of a lane that would be completely overgrown and unusable within 18 months if it wasn't driven. Especially those centre sections through the woods. In all my time of driving it I have never seen a walker or a horse in the area let alone on the lane. Anyway, thanks for watching the film!

Yes, I am a walker. One reason not to walk on what started life as GREEN lanes is that often they are now a quagmire thanks to 4*4s and motorbikes - I avoid my local ones for that reason. Lanes are legally classified into who can use them - but I'm happy for anyone to do so (law or no law) as long as it does not affect use by others. Incidentally, I don't like Forestry Commission plantations either and stay clear of them anyway (as do most walkers), which may be another reason why you don't see many.

David Hedley So let me get this straight, your whining on about a lane that would be overgrown and unusable if not driven and you wouldn't walk it anyway because it's another thing you don't like in life (Forestry Plantation) yet you still want to have a little dig at the people who do want to use it. Isn't that just a walker all over. As I understand it, there are something like 4% of the Green Lanes in this country open to vehicular use and the rest is now restricted. Who is to say my hobby is so wrong and yours is so right given that terrible balance? What I do know is that you will see the Land Rover boys laughing and joking, volunteering for charity and rescue work and generally enjoying life. Now if you want to find the opposite to that, point me at a walker!!

lowrangers2012 That's a bit mean. I spent many years as part of a rescue team, and I also laugh a lot. So let's both keep happy and enjoy life.

Mate you took the time out to watch the video of my pass time and cast the criticism in an unbalanced fashion. Can you blame me for coming out fighting? If you see the amount of green lane films I make and the positive spin I try to put on the way we do it you must understand I attract my fair share of walking nutters. OK, you seem actually quite reasoned in comparison but it's hard for me to differentiate by RU-vid comment!

+martyn dickinson it's an interesting debate and yes its true that if driven badly a vehicle can do damage. Its equally true to say that walkers are proven to be vastly more detrimental to byways based on a variety of reasons. There is lots of evidence for this the most recent of which is at Hadrians Wall where walkers have meandered around and visited in such numbers that some of the paths may have to be closed. I also believe this particular track you have selected to comment on is used by forestry vehicles and is subject to massive water errosion. The simple fact is that nature and commercial industry does more damage than 4x4 use, if they weren't driven by vehicles they would be lost forever and it isn't the type of transport that does the damage, its the type of person whether that be driver or walker. I do find people who comment like this are a little closed minded to the facts!