This show in directly on target for the era it represents, it was truly a "man"s world" back then, and girls like Peggy got eatten up and spat out unless they were smart, and took care of business, and everyone smoked back then, didgusting in the exam room, can you believe that !!
You must be from the Middle East. I'm too familiar with that world and I know that's how Doctors there treat single girls who want to have sex before marriage.
I love that he just starts smoking in the exam room. From what my mom told me about her pediatrician I can tell the smoking part of the scene was very accurate.
I'd hard to believe how many posters here miss the whole point of this scene. This is a portrayal of a gynecologist visit in 1960, which is the year this show's first season is based on. The whole idea is that it was a man's world back then and it attempts to show you just how far we've come. Just about everything in this show is quite accurate to what it was like in the early 60's in the US. There's a reason it's won so many awards.
All you who complains about the "smalltalk" being offensive and the smoking doctor and so on. Maybe you should take in mind that this series takes place in the early 60's. The doctors and the society in general was a bit different then. Considering a single woman who's getting birth control, I think this doctor is probably played as pretty nice.
He wasn't nice at all, still bossed her, judged her under the name of "warning" while he was perfectly ok single men having sex, living in 60's doesn't make you automalically asshole like him, he is just typical egoistic, sexist doctor who do what he want instead of only making his job without comments
yeah that was the reason i put the video up. it was so shocking the things doctors to say back then. if someone even tried that now, he'd get fired in a minute.
i think it was kind of critical to the scene she be in this position, so to demonstrate just how vile and creepy this doctor was; and how he abused his power when he threatened to take her off the pill if she became too 'promiscuous' for his liking. setting the scene is everything
This is a creepy doctor. But all the doctors were like this then. Joan even sent her to this doctor because he was more liberal about prescribing BC. I remember in 2007 i went to have a procedure done and i was 18 but when the doctor helped me off the table after this extremely painful procedure he said, something like "youll be okay little girl". I just remember "little girl" very clearly because at 18 i considered myself a woman doing something a lot of women have to do so as i drove home i couldnt get that comment out of my head. Now, I think he just didnt like to see such a young woman getting this procedure. That was my impression from what he said...and that was in 2007. Times have come a long way since this though. This is a disturbing conversation, and Joan considered him one of the better ones. Just goes to show how bad it was then. Those poor women. My grandmother....my mother 15 years later...😢 oh and my grandmother? Had to have a written note from her husband allowing her to get it after she already had given birth to 2 girls and a boy. This wasn't my grandfather's rule. He w a nted her to get it if she didnt want anymore children. She'd already gave him the prodigal son and two beautiful girls. this was the doctor's twisted rule. MEMPHIS, TN 1967.
Funny how the doctor is smoking. But oddly enough, i remember being ina doctors office in the 70s and the doctor was smoking while he was going over a report. Even at that time i thought "what's up with that?"
ebonyruffles hahah. Interesting fact: $11 in 1960 was actually a lot of money. Adjusted for inflation $11 in 1960 had the same buying power as over $90
I had the girlfriend New England she doesn't trust me taking her on the boat but she wanted me to nut inside her so every time we went on a date she used to pay $60 to get the Depo Provera shot so every time we have sex it will cost her $60 I told her get your money's worth let's do it everyday for the next 3 months she was stupid
The term was passed on from series to series, first on Northern Exposure, where it was picked up by David Chase, who used it on The Sopranos, where it was picked up by Matthew Weiner... It's like a hot potato of great TV lines.
It's horrible to watch this. I'm so upset that some gynaecologists still treat their patients like this. He said she could only be on the pill under certain conditions and it is under his control, which is very untrue. Any woman who wants to be on the pill (or use any contraception) can go on it.
> Any woman […] can go on it. Then? The Pill was still prescribed, not over-the-counter, back then. In fact, there were no single chemical prescriptions, as far as I remember. Those were later in the decade.
omg -- don't you guys understand the scene/show? I *just* began watching it online this past Wed, and from the second he picked those gloves up, I knew they were trying to illustrate they've been used before & were probably soiled... the whole scene was to set to make us feel repulsed & put-off... duh? Peggy is, in an abstract way, us -- as is Don
OK, please feel free to Google about the class action lawsuit bought up against Bayer about Yaz. 27 women have died as a result of Yaz and many others have fallen very ill
Women can be offensive too. A female gyno told me one day I will find Mr. Right when I told her I was still a virgin in my 20’s. I could’ve gotten her fired.
I never seen this episode, i actually missed alot of the first season. but i can't believe he would say that to her, nowadays everyone teen girl is on the pill.
it was probably the pap smear that caused the pain,, you can refuse those god awful pap smears,,,the doctors like to do the pap smears along with the pelvic exam,, you just have to say no pap smear,,,,the pelvic exam and the pap are 2 different things
My f*ing god, the *scene* is creepy *to us* because we as 21st century people are watching it. For Peggy it was surely unpleasant, as every intimate examination is. Peggy was sent there by Joan because this doctor is more liberal than others. The doctor *is aware of that* and thus tries to protect his reputation. If all his patients went out there and smashed like crazy, people would call him a pimp or a "w**re doctor" or something. So no - he isn't really trying to control her individual life. He might wanna protect her from the obvious dangers of hyper-promiscuity that will probably never go away (like... being alone with a psychopath), but most of all he his drawing a line. He is liberal - but he doesn't support everything.
I think you'll find this is a fictional TV drama. It doesn't do much to tell you about real clinical practice. The people in it aren't real, and drawing generalisations about particular groups from their representation in TV shows is not good practice. If anyone believes themselves to have been the object of an assault, sexual or otherwise, by a member of the medical profession then they should report it to the police and to the relevant governing body; for example, here in the UK, the BMA.
I would have kicked his face in if he talked to me like that. He would've lost a few teeth at the strumpet line. This scene alone goes to prove how amazingly spot on Mad Men portrays the 1960s.
I lived in the 60's and I never got treated that way, nor did any doctor or nurse smoke in the examining room. I think the acting was good, the direction wasn't.
@PaulineWalters I had my first pelvic by a male doctor and no one else present in 1987. That's how it used to be. Smoking too, but before my time. This isn't just TV, it's the world before feminism changed things. The episode showing Betty giving birth was exactly how my mom and women her age described it to me as well. Pretty awful.
i don't see why not. that's like saying male doctors shouldn't see female patients at all if it involves the woman getting undressed (no surgery, no general practice, no obstetricians...)
This is just a movie clip. Your comment is way out of line. Male or female OBs /GYNs are all professionals. Can't judge doctors just based on their gender. My wife has a male gynecologist and he's extremely professional. Since a young age I always have female primary care doctors and they are all professionals too.
That's only your opinion. What man in his right mind would ever give his wife permission to spread her legs for another man? What woman would ever want to show a man (other than her husband) her sacred parts?
Well even today many men are gynecologists it's simply a profession and they think nothing sexual about it, then again many more gyno's are women because many women are doctors today. Also I've had female doctor examine....my male parts and well she is a doctor their is nothing more to it.
That stuff is like $90 a month she must have had a gap insurance did not cover birth control pills back in those days only devices so maybe one month she went without and that's when she got pregnant
What did you want the scene to be? She wanted pills, she needed the gynecologist. There aren't a million other things she could have done in a gynecologist's exam room. And if anyone is going to be offended I would think it would be the actress and since she did it on national TV, I don't think she minded at all. You read too much into this. It happens to women everyday and everyone knows it. It's people who have hang ups like yours that create taboos.
It's realistic, sure, but it's meant to show how poor attitudes were back then. What offends me is that, in many parts of the world, these attitudes still exist. Just because it happens every day doesn't mean it should
@gunsnforever yeah, I think the same about female docs.. To be honest, of course I didn´t met every single one of them, so it´s subjective.. Me female-doc was this kind. I prefer also male gynecolog
@@sitdowndogbreath No one “forgets to refill”. If it was $96 per month in today’s money, with no insurance drug plan coverage, it was too expensive at some point.
my mom said that the gyn did not regularly check for early stage breast cancer. They just removed the entire breast if/when it did show up....other way it is different.
@@robinorlowski2449 oh I got a lumpectomy at 32 from a benign tumor rapidly growing and then my gyn checked me 2 years ago and he found a huge cyst I got it drained too
Not sure why all the discussion is about race and personal attacks below. It's a strange diversion from what this clip is really about. I believe the GOP and right wing conservatives would love to go back to a time where women were judged this harshly. I scares me that decades later, so many misogynists share this quack's POV.
@SWEETasaNUTmateSWEET When I was a tyke in the late 60s/early 70s I remember my family's GP used to smoke in the exam room too, and apparently my mom never complained or seemed to think anything about it. Oh how times have changed.
@anacrobat89 except it isn't 100% accurate. Not even close. I know both men and women who grew up in the '60's, lived in the '60's and frankly they're unimpressed by the alleged "change." Has the world changed? Certainly. Has it changed as much as Mad Men would have you believe? Certainly not. The most massive period (forty years or so) of change in Western History was between the years 1880-1920.
Not sure who you're referring to here. "You people"??? Me and none of my people, i.e. my family and friends, have multiple babies. Anyhoo, don't let the media give you a skewed perception of Africa. I've been there, and its not all starving babies and disease. It's filled with ordinary people living their lives, including many ambitious young people striving for education & upward mobility. And believe me, most have no interest in begging...
Jeez, what is with all the nastiness everywhere you go on the internet? Are people just furious all the time and looking for the slightest opportunity, no matter how paper thin, to snipe at complete strangers? And can we just leave women and men and gender politics alone? Can we focus on, oh, how about good health, good sociological progress, etc? JEEZ! Enough with the negativity!
ctd. Views like yours are one unfortunate effect of the "charity" model of Africa pushed by people like Bono. Though well intentioned, they present this one dimensional & ultimately harmful view of the continent as a place of despair and lack, instead of as a place of opportunities for investment & entrepreneurship. Zambian economist Dambisa Moyo's written and spoken a lot about that. Anyway, I would prefer not to side track this comments section any more with an irrelevant "racial" discussion.
You do not strike me as a very bright individual. If shame evokes from within such actions, there is clearly something wrong. We are born with the knowledge of separating good from bad. You feel shame in accordance to doing something wrong. One would not feel ashamed for buying a car for an example, but one who stole it, would, especially when pointed out they are a thief. But please, don't take my word for it, ask around yourself. I shall say no more. I leave you to your thoughts.
The OP said it was interesting to share this 'Mad Men' clip to prove times have changed: nowadays most women from the start of puberty as teens are using the pill.
