Kakuzu is fodder especially compared to characters like Madara also kakuzu isnt even interesting and I hate both kakuzu and hidan just because they are so annoying Everytime they are on screen I just can't wait to watch them die and I like some of the annoying Akatsuki members like deidara and sasori arguing about art is pretty cool also can we point out Obito has the best sense of humor he puts people that argue together all the time kakuzu and hidan and sasori and deidara Obito is just trying to be funny when pairing people together and it's working
Akatsuki teamwork is such a funny idea when you consider the fact that one guy's gimmick is to literally summon a portable lake, while yet another might rage quit and take the whole battlefield with him. Yet another (Kakuzu) literally had to get an immortal partner as a fix to the fact that his bombastic all-out combat style had a tendency to blow up his teammate along with the enemy, not to mention the fact that his notoriously short temper led to him just game ending them at random because he doesn't like other people. Oh, and then there's Pain, who's ultimate technique involves creating a miniature black hole that indiscriminately sucks everything, and EVERYONE, towards it. The Akatsuki was designed from the bottom up to feature 2-man cells designed to counter and trap specific jinchuriki and their respective bijuu. They were *not* selected based on them ever having to fight together as a single unit. They more or less complement their partners, but they certainly don't work as a team overall. There's a reason they always fight on their own, and it's not just pride. Finally, people seem to forget that one guy is literally a double-agent who doesn't actually want to help them succeed anyway, and is on a strict health-based time limit. He literally only has one high-stakes battle left in him, assuming he *didn't* face Sasuke yet.
In total fairness, Itachi basically one shots anyone who isn’t Madara at Valley of the End Level or doesn’t have sharingan with Tsukyomi/ and you can argue he was barely trying against Sasuke as he literally wanted him to win.
@@thatdiavologuy3568 Itachi wanted him to win but he was basically already dying from whatever weird chakra-disease he has. Sure, he didn't try to actually take him out, but he still basically dueled Orochimaru in pseudo-sage mode and came out on top just before the end. Any version of Itachi that didn't battle Sasuke and therefore wasn't an edo tensei would only have a couple of minutes of fight left in him, let alone the fact that he has overused his mangekyo to the point that they barely function anymore.
@@henrikhumle7255 It is... Teamwork is when everyone is working together to accomplish a goal, what u listed see's no one working together - only everyone doing what they want. The akatsuki are aware of each other powers and can work together just like in storm.
The only way Madara loses is if he holds back. Someone like Sasori or Orochimaru if you include him can definitely poison him. Other than that he stomps really badly.
Guys keep using madara vs 5 kage fight to downplay the kages. Please be aware the 5 kages fought madara with 1. Reanimation (unlimited chakra) 2. Madara EMS 3. Hashirama wood style 4. Rinnegan All combined that's no joke.
It would be more fait to compare Alive Madara vs Alive Akatsuki because edo Madara is a complete different beast. Madara without Hashirama cells, Rinnegan and unlimited chakra would be a lot more feasable for the akatsuki to fight against, same goes for the 5 kage.
@@davisacademy1088 no it doesn’t say they’re on the same level. The statement says they both wage war against the shinobi with their overwhelming power
Deidara is pretty slept on because of his fight with Sasuke, because despite Sasuke literally having a direct perfect counter to everything Deidara had, he still got Sasuke down to basically 0 chakra, at that point it was practically a draw, which is impressive when you're a scissors fighting rock, the only way Sasuke survived was by using the last of his chakra and sacrificing a literal god beast. People make it seem like Sasuke was just way better than Deidara when evidence kinda goes the other way, because Deidara only had disadvantages because of Sasuke's toolkit vs. his own. Genjutsu Sharingan could see all of Deidara's traps and jutsu. Chidori conveniently deactivated all of Deidara's explosives. Curse Mark allowed Sasuke to fly. Etc. Etc. Even still, Sasori is stated his superior, so unless he surpassed him after Sasori's death, which is totally possible, Deidara still isn't that impressive, at least compared to Madara. Against other opponents I think Deidara does way better, Sasuke is just a hard counter.
Sasuke literally only won because lightning beats rock... but... think about that for a sec. That doesn't make any bit of sense! Like, what the hell? Lightning beats EARTH? There's no way... Kishimoto fucked up. It should have been the exact OPPOSITE. Sasuke's chidori'd sword should have had it's lightning absorbed by the earth style mine, and Sasuke should have been blown up right then and there, and Naruto could go bug someone else. Actually, I could see Naruto wanting to go to Itachi himself and demanding to know why he killed his clan and put Sasuke through so much torture, and Itachi already knows Naruto is a good kid that cared a lot for Sasuke, so I could see Itachi accepting the fate of his sickness and telling Naruto the full truth. BUT this takes place after Naruto vs. Pain as like a final Akatsuki member hunt down, where we get Guy coming back to hidden leaf after it was destroyed and immediately going after Kisame while Naruto and Sakura go after Itachi. And Itachi more or less knows that he's not going to win against this sage Naruto in his condition, but still gives a good fight because he wants to test Naruto himself to see if he has any chance at Tobi, who Itachi reveals to be Obito. But then Zetsu tell Obito that Itachi revealed his identity to Naruto, so he goes after Kakashi for the second eye and since Kakashi isn't really recovered yet from Pain fight, it's more Tobi revealing his true identity to Kakashi while casually popping the eye out. And Obito's plan in this alternate universe isn't to resurrect Madara, so Kabuto and the war arc don't happen, but Obito, now with both Mangekyou goes after Naruto and B. Kills B, has power of 1-8 tails in the statue (which is not the 10 tails nonsense, it's just the crazy statue that Nagato used against Hanzo, but CRAZY amped now). Word starts to spread about Obito killing B, and the Leaf village gets help from Raikage (who wants revenge) and Gaara knows Naruto is in trouble, so he's coming too. And in this grand finale of Obito fucking EVERONE up, Deidara comes back and HATES Tobi, so he tries to fight but isn't good and he does C0 explosion as Obito is sucking him INTO Kamui from short range, and Deidara blows RIGHT as/before getting finished being absorbed and that nuclear size explosion is compressed right in front of Obito's eye and face and his eye is blown up and he's only left with the long range kamui and everyone gets the upper hand on him, and Naruto talk to him at the end like in the war, but Naruto fails and Obito dies a sad human. The end. Oh and during the fight Naruto get passionate about protecting and not giving up his nine tails and how he wants to change the nine tails from being hateful. The nine tails respect Naruto a little bit more and tells him is real name, but still hates him. And after Obito climax ends, the post main story stuff is Naruto travelling the world like how Sasuke did, and learning about the ninja world and trying to figure out how to control the nine tails completely to become a perfect jinchuriki like B was. And eventually finding the resurrected 1-8 tails and makes sure they stay free and respected. THEN he goes back to the village after many years and Kakashi is Hokage at this point and this is when Naruto studies to be Jonin and eventually hokage. But in the meantime he does Jonin things while using what he learned about the world to reform the leaf village with Kakashi to make the village a better place, and eventually Kakashi steps down after he and Gaara help establish political peace between the 5 great nations (Maybe sprinkle in a small war between Stone and Sand and this is where we get Onoki vs Gaara, and somehow Onoki ends up with mad respect for Gaara, like how in the actual series it took time between the 5 kage summit and the war for Onoki to fully respect Gaara). Now with Naruto as Hokage he continues to strive for the ninja world peace that Jiraya wanted, which he can do better than anyone since he travelled and learned about the darkenss of the world and became friends with the tailed beasts and what-not.
deidara can theoretically basically solo anyone in naruto shippuden as long as they don’t have some way of seeing his microscopic bombs. Just saying. And he pushed sasuke so hard whilst being hard counters in every way. He is so underrated
It's funny that the elements beating each other is a thing when this happens literally nowhere else in the entire verse with Haku vs Saskue coming to mind, Kekkai Genkai and Kinjutsu (Deidara's technique is a combo of both) are above basic ninjutsu and can't be defeated this way, Deidara has to use to nature releases to use his jutsu (earth and lightning, tho this might be just a fan theory), and the fact that Saskue still got hit by Deidara and Deidara himself never got hit by genjutsu at any point in the fight (getting stabbed while on the dragon was a feint for a clone explosion).
Now, Madara going all out murder stomps, perhaps even with being poisoned by Orochimaru or Sasori. In character? The arrogant chad just might let the Akatsuki pool all their chakra together for super ultimate team attack and try to tank it to show it was futile. Only for him to (once again) underestimate his opponents and perhaps even get his Susanoo shattered.
Do u think the akatsuki has the dps to break madaras perfect susanoo? Like who??? Plz don’t say dadaras c2 or c4 it couldn’t even blow through garas sand
Let me add itachis susano is something madara can deal with easily with the range he gains with the perfect Susanno even if itachi has dps with his soul sealing sword he can’t use it if he blocks he’s fucked Bc madara has 2 swords and itachi 1 shield. Not to mention susano clones
@@linktoeverything3897 itachis totsuka blade of his susano has astral offense meaning anything it touches would be instantly sealed into the gourd, also his shield is astral defense meaning literally no amount of damage done by madara could break it, with obito there to help itachi I could see just those 2 having a shot against madara. If you throw in all the other members as distractions I think their chances get even better.
@@linktoeverything3897 fuck no they don’t have it even his lower body susano tanked the 10 tails continental attack let not even his armored Susano let alone perfect susano which would be way above that
@@linktoeverything3897 Obito and Itachi both working together and getting a team attack going would definitely budge Madara’s Susanoo. Adding in the rest of the Akatsuki, who probably gets the emergency synergy improvement that the Kage got against Madara, and this battle is not nearly as one sided as you think.
Something I just thought of: The "but in character tho" argument doesn't even work against Madara. Madara literally says that he's going to fight with less refinement due to having the Hashirama implants. He also says that he only allowed the 5 Kage to hit him because he wanted to test out his new powers. This is literally him saying that this "overconfident" and "sloppy" way of fighting is out of character for him. He usually doesn't fight this way because he usually doesn't have to test out new powers. So all the arguments about him toying around in character need to just d1e since he literally says that this is out of character for him.
That would make sense if he didn't keep doing it. Like yeah fighting sloppy cause he's got new tricks makes sense, after almost losing 3 separate times though it's just dumb, which is just as bad.
First this is just Madara vs Akatsuki, not post revive. Regardless we never see Sasori's poison go against a healing factor to judge, but he knows people can have regen and he's after Jinchuuriki that all have regen from there Bijuu. Doubt he's just ignored that possibility.
@@m.caeben2578 I could totally be forgetting, but the only time I can remember Naruto being poisoned is from the Demon Nrothers. Even then he didn't actually lose because of it, Kakashi even notes he was healing soon after, and this was back when the Seal was at its tightest. I don't think that's a good basis for poison working on him.
@@nahte123456 I mean he was poisoned from Sakura's kunai when he tried to save her from Sasuke's attack. This is when Kakashi decided to battle Sasuke in Shippuden.
I honestly wanna hear a debate about Madara vs Obito. Because the statement Six says here proves nothing. I mean Obito knew that Madara can break out of the Edo Tensei and he's on his side. So Kabuto would be the one who would be in trouble. And I honestly don't understand how would Madara beat Obito, especially the Rinnegan one. Madara's Rinnegan abilites won't work, because Kamui. Ninjutsu won't work, because Kamui. Kenjutsu and taijutsu won't work, because Kamui. Madara's favourite toy, the Perfect Susanoo won't work, because Kamui. Noone agrees that Obito can be genjutsued, so that also doesn't work. And everyone think Obito would just Kamui blitz Itachi, so why can't he do that to Madara too? I'm not saying Itachi and Madara are the same level, don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that what can Madara do against it? I'm curious, honestly. Especially if we talking about alive EMS Madara vs orange mask Obito. Obito could just outlast him or Kamui blitz him. If not, then tell me why not, I honestly don't know. Thank you! 🙏
Why is this even a thing? Madara scales above kcm2 naruto considering he said he was holding back fighting him and bee at the same time after beating the 5 kage
Canonically, if we disregard the fact that Pain wouldn't have his eyes and all of that, the only scenario in which he has a chance of losing is one in which he decides to just show off for a while, underestimating them so hard that someone manages to get a lucky shot at him. He gets all cute with them and somehow ends up getting his soul snatched or something.
I've seen people say what if Obito has hidan in the kamui realm and if someone somehow manages to get even a scratch on him. Maybe from him messing around or anything Obito can send whoever got it to hidan give him a taste of the blood and he's dead
@@christopher7692 That's not a bad strategy, assuming you could canonically get either of them to agree to it. But we don't actually know whether or not Hidan's ritual has a maximum range, or whether being in a different dimension would interfere with it. Likewise, we don't know if it would be effective against someone with Hashirama-level regen, so any version beyond base Edo Tensei Madara could possibly be immune to the kind of physical damage Hidan inflicts. But it's not a bad strategy if we assume that Hidan's ritual has infinite range and cross-dimensional capabilities.
@@bjrnthebootybandit micro bombs gets countered the same way sasuke did. Poison wouldn’t work on hasirama cells+ it’s to slow to hit madara or too weak to penetrate his sussano before dying
Bruh, im so sick of this the series gets so much stronger in war arc and unfortunately madara shows up at the war arc and his feats shit on most people post war arc and all iterations of madara have one of either perfect Susano, wood style, a better rinnegan, sage mode, juubidarra or kurama. And most iterations have multiple of them. Edo madara is able to spam rinnegan abilities and has perfect Susano and wood style. How is any of the atkatski members beating that. Valley has perfect Susano and the ninetails as a summon. These are possibly the weakest iterations so it baffles me that they think madara is losing. Obito, nagato and itachi pose the biggest issue due to haxs abilities. Madara knows about obitos abilities and obito seems to be not able to bfr people who are aware of his powers, pains rinnegan can easily be countered with his own, and if ur talking valley, the ninetailss pieced him up anyway. Itachis haxs have limitations and he can't spam it due to chakara illness, and sasuke broke his genjutsu with a 3 tomoe sharingan.
I mostly agree. It's reasonable to assume Edo, or any subsequent Madara we see would probably beat the akatsuki. However final valley Madara is a different story. You have to realize that everything that Madara can do the akatsuki can counter. Fire style they have kisame, genjutsu they have Itachi or they can simply push chakra into each other to end it. The thing that would (in most people's opinion) be the decision maker is Susano. However as we've seen Susano is not an end all be all. All the Susano is is chakra, meaning any absorption technique would work on it. Kisame has samehada and a technique specifically designed to absorb chakra and pain can absorb chakra. These techniques essentially neg Susano and leave Madara weaker from that loss of chakra.
@@Oroku2473 a argument for them winning as well is let's say Obito puts hidan in the kamui dimension and he sets up the ritual in there. As soon as someone anyone gets even a drop of blood maybe from a scratch or anything Obito kamuis them to hidan and it's a gg
@@christopher7692 There are many hax that goes in Akatsuki's favour that people forget. -If Hidan gets a drop of blood and does the ritual, it's a gg. -If Sasori hits madara with his poison, it's a gg. -If Itachi does any of his MS tecniques, it could be a GG. -If Obito touches Madara, it's a gg. -If Kisame absorbs all of Madara's chakra with his OP chakra absorbing jutsu and samehada, it's a gg. -If Deidara drops a fucking nuke in his ass, it's a gg. -If Konan lures him into a 1 billion paper bomb trap somehow, it's a gg. -If Pain: *Summons the Demonic Statue *Uses chaotic Shinra Tensei *Uses Chibaku Tensei *Takes a hold of his soul *Absorbs all of his chakra It's a gg.
A good way to scale Konan's AP is from the Obito fight (I'm not referring to the sea of paper bombs), when Obito tried sucking Konan into the Kamui dimension she uses her paper explosion to damage Obito and take off his arm, the same Obito who tanked a rasengan from Minato at the age of 14, and it's stated in the databooks that the Rasenshuriken that Naruto used on Kakuzu is equal to Minato's rasengan (in terms of AP), meaning Konan's regular paper bombs have AP high enough to damage someone like Kakuzu, the same Kakuzu who tanked multiple attacks from the two tails.
Ok going by your logic konan would've severely crippled base jiraya or outright kill him, oh wait, jiraya wiped her in 5 seconds Pain said to konan, "you're trash, don't even try to take on base jiraya or fatigued base naruto"
@@grievingstereo8527 All I said was Konan has Biju level AP as she was able to damage Obito who tanked Minato's rasengan, what does Jiraiya have to do with what I said? I never said Konan scales to or above anyone, I just said she has Biju AP(which makes sense since she's an Akatsuki member)
Same half of the nine tail pain had to struggle to contain with his strongest justu...urmm sir...let's not forget first of all pain was throwing around massive Charka during that whole pain invasion ..not only was he able to almost contain an 8 tail nine half of the nine tail he was absolutely prepared to go make a bigger justu to seal it properly
Yeah, I mean, the Akatsuki is designed around the idea that each of its members (except Hidan) should be able to tackle an imperfect jinchuriki, and that 2 would be a pretty safe win. Madara can handle the whole bunch of them.
@@henrikhumle7255 very true, but a six pointed out. All lot off ppl think hidan is fodder, yet he could probably do the same thing madara did against the shinobi alliance grunts, on a smaller scale.
@@ShichiNanaSeven No he couldn't. He's not that fast, and his combat abilities are all based around pure, mindless aggression, since his gimmick is to just inflict a small wound and then cheese his opponent. Even Asuma would've basically beat him if Kakuzu wasn't there to back him up and put his head back on his shoulders. He doesn't have a pair of sharingan enabling him to read multiple opponents attacking from all sides at once, so even with immortality, he'd end up dismantled pretty quick, which no way to put himself back together. Never mind the fact that for his gimmick to work, he has to first wound an opponent and then stand still within the confines of his ritual circle, leaving him completely exposed. If the people surrounding him make the reasonable assumption that his target is a goner anyway, they'll just take him out while he's in the circle, sacrificing the one guy. It makes absolutely no sense to suggest that he could take on multiple opponents the way Madara did. That's not why he's a tactically sound fit for the Akatsuki to begin with. His whole thing is surprising his opponent with his strange gimmick in a 1v1 and then disabling said target. There's no way you can look at his abilities and say that he could effectively take on multiple opponents.
@@lfb7834 UHm... Did you forget to type the other half of your comment? ^^' You started with "While I agree..." which would suggest a counterpoint. But you just agreed? xD But yeah, I really don't see a scenario in which Hidan would do any real damage the way Madara did. He has no feats to show that he's really that competent as a fighter. He's strong in a 1v1, because all he needs to do is would his opponent, and then it's basically a K.O. He can afford to fight more recklessly given his immortality.
Aight let's just say this. Madara stomps, unless he's poisoned by Sasori or Orochimaru (if you include him), and if they somehow get Obito a chance to BFR Madara to the Kamui dimension.
@@linktoeverything3897 Madara died soon after Obito got Kamui, how would Madara ever know what Kamui does until the war? Zetsu also wouldn't be able to know exactly what it does either
I would really love to see a 'What If' Anime/Manga for NARUTO tbh Also, Konan isn't that battle focused but I guess she only "lost" to Jiraiya as she doesn't have the will to "kill" or face him (or she's just really stalling for Pain). In addition, Sakura is like controlled/assisted by Chiyo 40% of the entire battle and she gave her all against Sasori (even outsmarted this poison genius) so please don't downplay these 2 characters ✊
>White zetsu in the war used a wood style jutsu that held off the third hokage >Third Hokage was stated that one time in a databook to be the strongest Hokage >Ergo, white zetsu is stronger than Hashirama, who is stronger than Madara > White Zetsu stomps GG ez
@@zelz3011 because boruto scaling is trash, characters like jirayia and kid Naruto were putting hands on urashiki while adult sasuke who is beyond kaguya wasn’t able to do much on urashiki
@@s.a9764 OK I heared things that Debunk that. 1 Kid Naruto is already a beast and might be using some of that great power. 2 Urashiki might have been exhausted and poisoned so their power would be heavily nerfed. 3: To be Released (Like Dokkan) And with all those things said Boruto scaling doesn't seem overly wack it's just the fact that people can't seem to understand that part 3 character's might end up stronger than certain part 2 characters especially the ones near the end game.
Akatsuki needs to land a single injury with a weapon on madara to win thanks to sasoris poison. The tailed beasts tore madaras arm off, and akatsuki are all tailed beast level. Another win condi is the akatsuki only needs a drop of his blood for hidan to curse him. If tailed beasts can make madara bleed it stands to reason tailed beast hunters can
Hey 6, how come people use the term Sannin Level like it actually means something? The term itself implies that the Sannin are equal when that's just not true. Tsunade gets beat up by Kabuto, Orochimaru got annihilated by 12 year old Itachi and Jiraiya was implied to be able to beat Pain with hax. What makes Sannin Level any different from Kage level?
When you zoom out at the broader scale, like part one characters to end of Shippuden characters, sannin level is a pretty decent chunk of scale somewhere in the middle. It's certainly below Edo Madara level I agree it's definitely not an exact term, but it does describe a specific range of power levels.
More like Jiraiya is implied to be *able* to beat Pain with hax, intel and catching them all off-guard Tsunade has better feats than all of them (Not taking in account revived Orochimaru) in the war btw
Didnt a team of 20 S class Shinobi lead by Ginkaku and Kinkaku kill Tobirama. The Akatsuki would be able to work together for the most part as Obito is aware of Madara's strengths as well as the entire Akatsuki. Them having AOE attacks could be mitigated by Obito selectively Kamuing them in and out of the battle field. Also they have multiple one shot abilities and various methods that could kill Madara in the right situation, On top of that they have made bodies, the main 6 5 Pains, Konan, Zetsu, and Obito. That's 14 on 1 plus Rinnegan animal summons and 100 puppets. It could be possible for one of the Pains to absorb Chakra from a sussano. If they could even create a hole in the perfect susanoo that Opens Madara Up to C0 and Sasori's puppets/Poison gas, A Soul Snatch or Hidan/Obito. We saw Gaara catch Madara off Guard and remove him from his Susanoo and Sasori has access to Iron Sand and could pull the same maneuver. I'm saying all this to say that I dont think it is as easy for Madara to beat all of them together as people make it seem. I say 60/40 Madara
You say the full Nine-Tails is twice as powerful as the one Pain struggled against, but wouldn’t it be less than 2X? Since, Jinchiruki empower their Tailed Beasts beyond their normal levels
The tailed beasts are weaker without a host because they're pretty stupid The 9 tails being an exception So in reality it's more than a 2x strength diff since it was only the 8 tailed version
Honestly I could make an argument for the Akatsuki, especially since weaker opponents damage and neg much stronger ones (that’s with them being on guard) but I think a better video would be kakazu vs madara
Why in gods name would ANYONE think Kakuzu has any chance of defeating Madara????? I really hope it’s not cause he survived an encounter….That’s a 5 second video at best
I wonder if Pain could see the Limbo clones, considering the Rinnegan allowed Sasuke to see them. Still, same result but at least Pain would see death coming…
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 Sasuke had a six paths amped rinnegan, and it was a rinnesharigan, not a normal rinnegan. So I think its fair to assume that's the reason he can see them, I doubt a regular rinnegan could see them.
@@lost8257 no, a rinnesharingan is that red third eye that madara and kaguya had. What Sauske has is a regular Rinnegan with tomoe allowing him to use both Rinnegan and mangekyou abilities with that eye.
Konan downplay is hard here do you think kakuzu, hidan, zetsu or sasori could beat her kakuzu got blitz by pre sage Naruto, hidan died to shikamaru, Sasori lost to Konan.
Black Zetsu did speed blitz KCM2 Minato by yoiking half the nine tails. Although he also said that he he were to leave Obito's body Minato and Kakashi would kill him, so it's kinda inconsistent to what to think of it.
If they used strategies the akatsuki could at least never lose. Just hide the revive pain/nagato inside obits' dimension or far away. Legit gg. Along as they could damage him at all they win. Also the only way obito can get hit is with Kakashi's eye. That's why this "power level" talk doesn't really make any sense. if the characters actually were unlocked from plot and able to use their abilities in logical ways the fight changes a lot. You could just have obito teleporting around with everyone's projectiles coming out of his eye with 0 counter. Meanwhile Madera is crazy but if anyone actually used abilities in a smart way it would be more about utility not just raw "power"
Madara is relative in speed to kcm2 has kcm2 level ap at bare minimum so he speed blitz one taps all of them and before obito can even process wat happened and hidan he’ll just dismantle his body
@@D-MAZE He even says himself that he's the slowest of the bunch. Why would he even *try* to fight one of the top-5 fastest people that ever lived, who has hax-eyes that can read and predict anyone's movements. Both him and Kakuzu would never agree to something that stupid. Kakuzu's loyalty to the Akatsuki only goes as far as they are willing to pay him, and Hidan is literally just there because it's an easy way to make sacrifices. In fact, loyalty is one of the key reasons why Akatsuki teamwork at that kind of level would never work. Half the people in the organization are there for entirely selfish reasons. Hidan and Kakuzu are there for profit. Deidare is there because he has a low-key crush on Itachi, who is actually a double-agent himself. Sasori is Sasori; who know why he does anything? Obito and Zetsu are manipulating everyone. Depending on which version we're talking about, Kisame, Pain and Kanon are either aware of the true objective of the Akatsuki or they share a false ideology, but that's it.
I feel like madara in his form versus hashirama with ems and 9 tails loses to the akatsuki assuming he doesn’t have the 9 tails as thematically it would ik in Naruto at this time if he was still alive. There are so many ways madara dies in this form being hidan catching a bit of blood, deidaras finale explosion, Itatchi with izanagi or totska blade, pain has a good chance with his double rinnegan, obito is relatively close to madaras power by himself, kisame eating all of his chakra, Konans wall of 100 million paper bombs she nearly one shots obito with, and orochimarus poison. I find it highly unlikely madara is able to escape every single one of these fight ending moves when multiple could be happening simultaneously and when he’s fighting 1v11 with not all but a fair amount of the akatsuki members not only being biju levels but actually being kage or higher level in terms of power.
Good arguments, but I have one question for you: how are any of these things getting through a Perfect Susano'o, exactly? Also, Madara has clones. He literally turned a 1v5 into a 25v5 against the Kage, and he's vastly more powerful than any one of the Akatsuki. It's far from a simple 1v11 fight.
@@TheRealSarceus well it’s not like they themselves can’t create clones all of them can and on top of that these aren’t gonna be clones using the perfect susanoo and shit like they are in the fight vs the kage as that’s hashirama cell reanimated madara not the one I mentioned. I also think a good deal of what I mentioned could penetrate the perfect susano like deidaras final explosion his mini bombs into madaras lungs totska blade from Itachi almighty push from pain not to mention the numbers argument even with clones looks even worse for madara when you rmemeber pain has the gedo rebirth statue and could bring back any of the akatsuki from the dead
1) hidan would get blitzed 2) deidara would get blitzed 3) itachi will also get blitzed + totsuka blade is either to slow or a non factor 4) pain is also to slow n would get blitzed 5) obito would actually put up a fight but ultimately lose bcuz madara can jus outlast him 6) kisame prob dies from absorbing to much chakra at once n samehada hates fire style which madara can use against him ( say if kisame was to try absorb a humanoid susanoo or imperfect susanoo he dies from takin in to much chakra ) 7) konan had prep time against obito n even den madara can either jus blitz her or do the same thing obito did (izanagi) 8) orochimaru gets blitzed
@@wideout7838 madara can use reg shadow clones lol , manda was able to survive deidara's c0 n also madara v4 susanoo ( not perfect susanoo ) tanked a full 9 tails biju bomb dat weak c0 deidara got not doin shit n das literally jus givin up a memeber lol , pain cant bring back any of the akatsuki bcuz hes not the one inflecting damage or killin them not to mention das only a nagato ability not the paths of pain ( n depending on how far nagato is away from the fight he cant jus bring back every from the dead as seen wen jiraya wasnt able to be brought back to life ) also madara sharingan can jus detect nagato's where abouts n kill the akatsuki n den proceed to kill nagato
Okay but how about alive Madara vs alive Akatsuki? That would be fair so Madara doesn't get all of his absolute broken hax abailities that come from Rinnegan and Hashirama cells.
If u watched the video carefully he was talking about all the versions of Madara, including Alive Madara, and he stated that he still dog-walks all of them regardless still.
Itachi solos madara easily. Madara got beat by zetsu. Itachi with pain would be enough easily. Itachi never lost a fight in the entire show literally undefeated. They had to get rid of itachi in the war arc because they knew itachi would figure this dude out in seconds. Itachi was made to beat this dude smh casuals
I hope that u are joking. Unironily, Black Zetsu one shots Itachi. My lil brother never lost a fight, so by ur logic, he can solo Naruto. He litteraly was in war arc. Also, prove that he even stands a chance even against Edo Madara.
@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 wtf are you talking about? When did black zetsu one shot itachi exactly? Are you just making shit up to feel better? Itachi has 2 Justus that destroy madara one is tsukiomi(the thing he used to one shot kabuto ) the other is his totska blade(the thing he used to one shot orochimaru) itachi is also smarter than madara.
@@kinglou1908 1. Black Zetsu casually stopped both SO6P Naruto's and Rinnegan Sasuke movement. In databook it's directly stated that Edo Itachi=Kabuto fight EMS Sasuke, so Rinnegan Sasuke one shots Itachi. And so does Black Zetsu. 2. He didn't used Tsukiyome against Kabuto, only Izanami, which only works on insecure people. Madara isn't insecure. And Totsuka blade would need to touch Masara first. And KCM Naruto was casually fighting Edo Itachi, whilw Edo Madara was faster and stronger than KCM2 Naruto. 3. He really isn't, and being smarter isn't a factor here.
@@guythatgoesbythenamekay7954 in a world of deception being smarter than someone is a huge factor. You act like itachi couldn’t touch him with totska blade lmao that would be the easiest shit ever especially if madara was in perfect Susano. He’ll even gaara just snatched up madara with sand. Fucking sand!
i will say, while both ems and blind madras both stomp all the akatsuki individually, i do want to raise the idea that teamwork could do something, just not the sort of teamwork that most people seem to mean. when i’m saying teamwork, i mean things like, giving obito a bunch of kunai covered in instant death poison, including one to carry to attack with, and many more to stick in the kamui dimension and fire off like he did against 8tails. additionally (if we’re gonna wank the akatsuki for a second), if we allow orochimaru to be here, and let him fight with the 4th as an edo (and assuming that that version of the 4th could use the flying raijin, which i of course understand is pure headcanon), then giving him a kunai with instant death poison is something. the 4th could put a seal on every member of the akatsuki, including a bunch of white zetsu clones, and obito obito being able to sneak attack madara is gonna be near impossible (even if you believe that obito can enter kamui and leave it anywhere he wants to, even up in the air within the majestic attire susannoo, which i think is debatable), but the idea that he could maybe get a hit in after using izanagi is something that like, if the akatsuki fought madara 100 times, i think that might happen in like 5 of them, versus without this strategy, i think the akatsuki win maybe 5 in 1000 with edo minato (who, remember, is much weaker then the edo minato we see in the war arc, this is about the hypothetical 4th hokage that it seemed like Orochimaru was gonna summon against hiruzen), i think it’s much more likely, maybe 15 in 100, since he’d have to worry about them both attacking, and an obito izanagi counter, all while being either stuck in his majestic attire susanoo, so his movement is limited, or he leaves it, and the attacks from the rest of them (but only really the attacks from Pain and Itachi would be even close to a problem to tank... although maybe a bunch of poisoned nails fired from the Tendo Pain like the nail that nearly killed Kakashi would be something, and maybe a c3 explosion from Deidara would be something that he’d have to worry about being at least a little bit damaged by (although most of the rest of the akatsuki would have to be willing to die to kill madara, which doesn’t seem likely if we’re taking character into account here and they aren’t all bloodlusted)) would be more of a problem to deal with. again, madara stomps, but i think if you allow people to combine and share their abilities, this battle becomes slightly less of a stomp
If you include orochimaru and have him summon the 4th hokage? Im gonna say hes gonna summon 1st 2nd anď 3rd hokage as well, and then madara would get overwealmed in edo form, maybe he would get overwealmed when alive especially if he doesnt have ninetails.
It doesn’t even have to be that specific. If the akautsk had at least a few hours to come up with a half decent Strategy then maybe they have a chance. Naruto has examples of team work somewhat evenings out battles . I don’t understand why it’s just thrown to the wayside in every debate like this. Other than it’s hard to think of a strategy that these guys would
@@danzeljohnson3341 eh, i think personally, any strategy that involves only the akatsuki as they are without any sharing of techniques and equipment (namely the poison) is doomed to failure. Madara can use shadow clones, and even if each of them can't use susanoo (as in, that's a wood clone exclusive), they're still more than enough to make sure that only Obito and possibly Minato could actually reach him, but I feel confident that neither of them can do enough damage to take him out with just their regular stats and techniques, since they're only likely to land one or two hits at most before dying, they'd need the poison to even have a chance.
@@momotheone9700 those edo versions are way way way weaker dan their actual selves i dont see madara strugglin at all with dem especially since old man hiruzen was able to react n fight them hes not gettin overwhelmed shit madara would jus be happy to see hashirama lol
Each Akatsuki is a kage/above kage level opponent because they have feats of either A. Killing another kage easilly or B. Super hax abilities. If all, the Akatsuki probably have a better chance against Madara than the 5 kage themselves
So... The first thing about zetsu doesn't he himself kinda debunk that all alone... By saying both Minato (which is fair) and Kakashi can immediately kill him if he leaves obitos body... Madara is clearly stronger and faster then that Kakashi... So black zetsu says he's infinitely weaker then Kakashi who's waaay weaker then Madara
@@izunadara1894 I know that he didn't say infinitely weaker... But what he said implies he's taht much weaker... And he didn't say anything about team...
@@antonio19xy He said “The moment I separate from you (Obito) these TWO will kill me.” He was obviously talking about the team of Kakashi and Minato since they were the only two ninja there, lol. It wasn’t just Kakashi he was talking about.
@@izunadara1894... OK so even if we take the implication that he meant that it takes both of them to do so... Even if we say it needs both of them... How does that change anything.... Minato and Kakashi together can't do shit to jubudara...
@@rayvonvelez3129 You forgetting the bigger picture - he has healing, can use all Rinnegan abilities, has Kamui, just under him in speed, can use Edo Tensei jinchuriki (who can all use V2 state) as his paths of pain.
To address Sasori being downplayed: Sasori was fighting a Sanin level opponent, Chiyo, who in her prime had to fight the Sanin and next to the Kazekage of her era she was the best military asset in the entire village until Gara showed up as a weaponized biju. Chiyo in her prime defended the village from the Sanin who scale to Prime Hanzo, who is ridiculously strong, as well as to Ohnoki, Hiruzen and Minato, who she would've had to fight or prepare to fight against. Sasori is the superior puppeteer to Prime Chiyo, who in older ninja wars is a primary military asset. Side note: Deidara scales to Ohnoki, who physically stopped a meteor with his body alone (this isn't Prime Ohnoki tho), who he was supposed to replace. Deidara as an edo also blew up the giant turtle with a C1, and the bomb that took out the hostless three tails Isobu was also a C1
I like the connections, just to be taken more seriously one can add more precision. For example, it was the combined efforts of Gaara and Ohnoki that stopped the meteor. And the role of Ohnoki was not a feat of physical strength, but of lightening the meteor as much as possible. However, I agree Sasori is incredible. Chiyo did constantly stalemate Hanzo of the Salamander in the Second Shinobi War. I take Sasori's melee attack of a couple of puppets would constantly drive Madara back as it took Chiyo two puppets each with weapons on both extremities just to stalemate Sasori's Third Kazekage puppet.
I assumed gai said he had no choice since his team was drowning and he needed to end it quickly, also kisame didn't have equal fts to 7th gate, guy opened it and beat him in one move, his strongest move but still one.
@@seanchristian7677 he doesn’t the only time you actually see guy do any kind real fighting the 7th gate is against jubii madara gai could blitz kiss’s me if he was on ground plus the hirudora was shot to incapacitate him not kill him. Plus it was air shot under high pressure water so it’s power was reduced Guy only opens the 7th gate twice in the series
@@sixfromtokyo You can't really use pt1 to accurately scale people like kisame and Itachi, a lot of it is retconned. Kakashi in pt1 can't move for a couple of days after using the most basic sharingan powers like copying jutsu and rading movement.... He is struggling against Zabuza who is in pt1 nowhere near akatsuki level lets be real...
@@vdj18.64 Kakashi got stronger after the Zabuza encounter because of training so he could've just trained and got to Biju level there is no issue with that especially since he's fighting people who literally have the job of beating Biju. like stuff can be retconned that's fine but you'd have to show anything about their power was retconned which it isn't there was just a 3 year time skip where everyone got stronger.
@@sixfromtokyo well my point is that akatsuki at that time was also very much nerfed, even tho they were obviously not trying, i believe itachi warned kisame to be careful about guy (itachi doesn't show any knowledge about gates or the fact that guy can open them, so it would mean he thinks base guy is competent enough), also the thing where they run from Jiraiya( yeah itachi could have just been trying to scare kisame so they dont have to fight him but if Kisame and itschi are both biju level here i really doubt Kisame eould believe base Jiraiya is taking out 2 biju level fighters...)
@@sixfromtokyo also about kakashi training, im pretty sure we haven't seen him training a lot... And the amount of training to take him for zabuza level to biju level would be crazy.... It would actually take a really good power up which he didn't get, im sorry i just don't see Kakashi at biju level until maybe Kakuzu fight and that is also debatable
@@vietcongwarlord6931 normally i'd say 0.1% max power needed but I suppose you're right and im downplaying the teamwork factor. 0.18% max power at most
The thing about black zetsu is it definitely was a blitz. Madara still had 4 limbo clones that would've reacted to Zetsu like they reacted to ems Sasuke and tobirama. You can say all this trust stuff. But if thats true that means you're saying Madara is dumb to fall for the same trick twice. We all know alot of people doubt Madara is dumb. But I for one do think Madara is one of the dumbest characters in Naruto. I mean guy actually thought he created this black goo that came out of nowhere like wtf. He was so easily manipulated by Zetsu lol. Black Zetsu should be barred from the fight cuz obviously zetsu stomps Madara and there is no debate about it. Black Zetsu>3 eyed Madara.
I don’t think Madara is dumb. It’s just Zetsu is arguably the smartest character in the series. He’s also lived for at least 1,000 years. Though I do think Zetsu is far stronger than people give him credit for, as he has the feat of taking on Mei, her bodyguard (future 6th Mizukage) 4 jonin who worked closely with Minato, and a KCM Naruto clone. Not to mention White Zetsu’s ability to mimic the DNA of anyone he touches. Meaning he could potentially kill anyone. So, in theory, Venus flytrap Zetsu should be able to do all this since Black Zetsu gains the abilities of anyone he’s attached to (white Zetsu) and his Mayfly can be seen as similar to Obitos Kamui, as Zetsu can disappear and reappear during fights.
nah akatsuki win against Madara without the rinnegan (probably not with 9 tails tho) First thing is: How can the akatsuki get through madaras susano, Pain and possibly samehada could just absorb it, Obito can phase kamui through it and throw him out of it like Gaara did. The only jutsu with enough power to go through it are probably pain and maybe itachis own susano or deidaras C0. I mean this is kind of a bs way to end the fight but if the akatsuki with all 6 paths of pain and the summons, sasoris thousand puppets, literally the rest of the akatsuki including shinobi with the skill level of Itachi and Obito can even just made madara bleed, they give it hidan and the ritual ends the fight. Yes if somehow Madara knew about the jutsu he could attack Hidan before he knew about it and he would still have to deal with the entire akatsuki, and hidans ritual only takes a few seconds once he gets the blood, and worst case scenario Itachi could use his own susano with the yata mirror to protect him or maybe obito could kamui him into his dimension or super far away Theres also Sasoris and Deidaras poison or microscopic bombs that madara probably wouldnt know about, which could end the fight, all of the rinnegan hacks that valley of the end Madara wouldnt have intel on, whilst madara was dealing with all that pressure, itachis susano could seal him if he didnt know about the totsuka blade (Which orochimaru who looked for it didnt recognize it immediately). Yeah and normally madara would be way too fast but hed also have to deal with the rest of the akatsuki, and pain could just use his rinnegan to pull him toward the totsuka blade. Also you have to realize madara personality he would toy with the akatsuki to see what they could do first, in basically every fight hes had he didnt use his susano until he had too to block an attack or something like that without the 9 tails as well as pains chibaku tensei might just be enough to seal him, even with the 9 tails we saw how easily samehada absorbed the 8 tails chakra, if we assume the 8 tails and 9 tails are relative in power he could probably do the same. Any madara without the Rinnegan akatsuki take 6/10 times.
Lemme address all your points in the order you made them. >Pain and samehada could absorb it The Preta Path is absolute fodder. Any clone of Madara could take it out the moment it got close to the Susano'o. And even if you have him get close and actually try to absorb the Susano'o, we know that absorption is not instantaneous; Jiraiya's Rasengan and Naruto's rasenshuriken, for example, hanged on for a good while before being done in, meaning something like a Susano'o would take a lot longer than the Preta Path can survive for. Samehada can only take a few chakra tails at once. Even if you say that is enough to wipe out a more basic form of Susano'o at once, it is nowhere _close_ to enough to take on the larger forms of Susano'o. And again, same argument as with Pain, _at best_ Kisame gets one swipe before getting obliterated, which is not at all a guarantee. >Obito can phase through and throw him out Obito needs to materialize before throwing someone out, and the moment he does that, it's going to kill him in close proximity to Madara. The Alive version is _way_ more powerful physically than Obito, and the Edo version has the Rinnegan. I don't think I need to mention how either of those things kinda fuck Obito if he tries to push Madara out of his Susano'o. >Itachi Susano'o, C0 Itachi is actually a good point here, there is no reason why the Totsuka Blade shouldn't be able to seal away part of the chakra it comes into contact with. Then again, his Susano'o is not very mobile at all, so actually getting close to Madara would be a struggle. C0 is an almost instant team wipe for the Akatsuki, and Alive Madara should rather easily be able to just get out of there the way Sasuke did it. Edo Madara is, well, an Edo, so he wouldn't even need to. >Make Madara Bleed There is nothing that makes Madara immune to Hidan's jutsu if he actually manages to perform the ritual. But it's not really logical to assume it would actually get to that stage. They are oh so very slow compared to Madara, who also has the ability to summon one of, if not the absolute best defensive technique in the show, the Susano'o. He also has the Rinnegan and Sharingan, allowing him to react to everything around him much faster. And he also has clones, either Shadow Clones or Wood clones depending on the version, to help keep others entertained and overwhelmed. And even through ALL OF THAT, if you still want to give Hidan the blood and make him do the ritual preparations uninterrupted, he would likely just gloat and laugh maniacally and get himself shoved off the platform before long. It's Hidan, he is a grade A dumbass. Granted, it is entirely possible that everyone else just bombards Hidan with jutsu the moment he actually enters his ritual form, but even then it assumes most people survived Madara's blood drawing fight, which is unlikely to say the least.
>Sasori poison, Deidara microscopic bombs If Sakura was able to survive getting submerged in Sasori's poison, so can Madara, there is no room for argument there. Added to that, Sasori releasing a bunch of poison would probably kill a lot of the Akatsuki members as well, and if they tried to move away, it would give Madara confirmation that he should not inhale that thing. You also just have to think that poison doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If it was that easy to just kill Madara, you'd think he would be long dead already considering how many enemies he made. Deidara's C4 cloud was very much visible to Sasuke, with a base sharingan, and he could counter it rather effectively with his lightning release. Madara has access to all 5 nature transformations, so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do the same. He can also just move away and have the explosions kill off every other member of the Akatsuki, Edo Madara could also just absorb the jutsuif it came near him. >Pain pulling Madara towards the Totsuka Blade Kakashi was able to resist the effects of Bansho Tenin with just a chain. He eventually gave out, but the fact he could even momentarily halt the pull with something do basic should give an idea that something like that wouldn't quite work against someone well above and beyond the Five Kage. And yes, he would toy with the Akatsuki, that is correct. Doesn't mean he would lose though.
nagato / pain n kisame / samehada cant absorb dat much energy / chakra in a short period of time they would literally die or explode from so much chakra absorbsion ntm dat absorbing the Perfect susanoo would take ages maybe days to do , das assumin obito jus doesnt get blitz b4 dat which he would cuz hes slower dan madara lol , pain gets speed blitz ( n madara jus takes back his fuckin rinnegan ) , itachi gets speed blitzed n deidara c0 gets tanked by madara susanoo lol madara can easily handle 1000 puppets den proceed to blitz sasori since the sharingan which detects chakra would see the main source of chakra which would be comin from sasori's heart n stab it out lol , 6 paths of pain gets speed blitz , hidan is gettin blitz n his head literally ripped out off , hidan ritual doesnt take a "couple seconds" he has to one get the blood to take it in his body den make his little circle n den he usually jus boosts about jashin n watever bs , meanwhile ( dis is givin hidan the benefit of the doubt to even get the blood in the 1st place ) madara would instantly jus rush him n speed blitz lol , madara is not jus gonna sit there n inhail the poison 1st of second off madara jus blitzes sasori , deidara's microbombs get negged bcuz madara can jus sense the amount of chakra in the air n either speed blitz deidara b4 dis happens or genjutsu him if he manages to pull off microbombs jus like sasuke did , no its stated dat out of all the tailed beast that kurama is the most powerful due to his hatred always ampin him in power n him in general jus bein leagues above the other tailed beats , like half of the 9 tails was above the 8 tails , madara has the full 9 tails + his Perfect susanoo which madara himself stated is a rival of dat to the 9 tails . again samehada cant absorb dat much chakra all at once lol
I think that Black Zecu is Kaguyas Karma. Also can somemody explain to me why people hate Anime? For example if Somebody had Versaci Glasses in Anime but he had Gucci glasses in Manga, witch ones he accualy had? Ill Say both.
I’m amazed there’s still content to talk about with the Naruto series. I feel like we’re beating a dead tonton here. There’s not a thing that hasn’t really been talked about with Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. I spent 19 minutes literally hearing the same thing i’ve heard for the past 5 or 6 years now at this point lol the views don’t lie I guess people still want to hear about Naruto, myself included.
I Hate All The Kakuzu Slander, I Blame Noodles for His Bad take. If anything Kakuzu is either greater than or Lesser than Kisame. he's underrated but No way in hell stronger then Itachi, Pain Or Obito.
@@cainmagnetic9796 I Strongly Disagree They're relative to each other. They both have their strengths and weaknesses if one is stronger then the other its only By a Small Margin.
Idk cuz every raw scan of naruto ive seen those little strips of text are never there. not even just for naruto but even other mangas i look into which is why i dont use them to scale it,, also thank you for acknolwedging the madara and obito statement was a mistranslation, the wording of it sounded so off idk why other people didnt notice, also ems madara isnt just a stronger version of edo madra tho cuz edo madara has rinnegan hax albeit ems is still massively stronger, also imo i think the bijuus from 1-8 tail are relative cept like perfect jinchs are stronger for instance
I like to think that 950 of those jutsu are just useless stuff like "materialize a sandwich from chakra" jutsu, which is why we don't see them all too often
Double4Anime said Six Paths Madara would only have a 70% chance to defeat the akatsuki. When I heard that it almost gave me an aneurism from sheer stupidity
When I watched that ages ago it sounded like Double4Anime didn't even pay attention to the show when he started spouting some of the stupid things coming out of his mouth
When I watched that ages ago it sounded like Double4Anime didn't even pay attention to the show when he started spouting some of the stupid things coming out of his mouth
Thank lord the black zetsu bullshit argument has been addressed and smacked in the face. It was so absurd to the point I thought the naruto community was just brain dead.
Ok so Madara after kaguya was sealed still washes the Akatsuki😂 Edit I thought of another joke: So paper beats rock that means Konan negs Madara’s meteor
It'd be a much more interesting fight to see the Akatsuki vs the five kage. Personally I think Akatsuki would take the dub, but it'd atleast be a much closer fight than with Madara.
i'm sorry but Madara stomps, as much as i am an Itachi fan i would have to do some stupid ridiculous head canon garbage to think that Itachi can beat Madara for one Itachi doesnt have the rinnegan and if he did he would have Amenotejikara and he might last longer against Madara maybe its better that Madara wasnt apart of part 1 of naruto he's just to OP
Naw we need to see if Madara can take on the "Six" Squad. The Past 5 Hokage, The Mizukage, the Raikage, the Kazekage(Garra or Rasa?), and all members of the Akatsuki.
OK hold on a second... the idea that Hidan scales to blind madara just because the two-tails did some damage to Madara is like, completely ridiculous lol. rock lee kicked madara in half lol. just because someone isn't so massively powercliffed by madara that they can't damage him at all, that doesn't mean they "scale to" him. blind madara also manhandled all the tailed beasts simultaneously and treated it like child's play... like OK maybe Hidan could technically do damage to Madara but so what? that means very little in the context of a real fight
Let’s remember that they literally need one drop of blood to win and they essentially have infinite revives because of pain and obito can protect hidan in his dimension
Boy it feels like half the akatsuki were filler but were also the most interesting consept wise. Konan has that paper jutsu but was sidelined like every female in shipuden. Zetsu was cool until he was turned into fodder then kaguya and that ruined any interest I had in him. Hidan was never expanded uppon so he wasnt given anything interesting and the interesting things he did have were never explained. Same with kakuzu. Same with nagato
As we know styles make fights in Naruto the majority of the fights in Naruto were purposely presented. As an example during the early exams there was not one competent water user in the entire leaf village which would of made gaara irrelevant I’ll also take it a step further why not send kisame to capture gaara lol
I'm sorry Six but you added absolutely nothing to this discussion. Doesn't matter what year this discussion takes place in, that part of the series is over and concrete in history. The continuity is written in stone so nothing gets changed or altered.
I really like the video and i only have one problem and its not one that changes the outcome of the fight. So basically you said that madara would just limbo them and no one could see it but im pretty sure pain could see it bc he has madaras rinnegan and might even be able to stop them but thats really stretching it. Any ways just pointing this out bc i thought it would be helpful but madara still stomps.
