Magic in 1997 Was Truly Something Else | Green Stompy vs UWR Speed Control 

Lightning angel prophetic bolt goblin trenches man oh man what a set apocalypse was!!!

Ohhhh this was the older then I thought😂

yeah, he looked truly happy :)

Been there back in the day! ahaha Also the other "combo" is Quirion Ranger with Winter Orb or Spectral Bears

I immediately came up with that combo myself after opening the booster display. I was so keen on seeing it work. Unfortunately it wasn’t very reliable. Btw. If I remember correctly Spectral Bears and Whirling Dervish were in Green Stompy to compete with Necropotence decks.

I feel like I'm going insane why didn't he use the three mana he had available from Quinton ranger to cast both of them on the same turn

lmao same it must've been a misplay @@asdfghjkl3669

Why was frenetic efreet even played in the deck at the time then? Just to potentially survive removal?

@@AAGEnzee not gonna lie... I don't know...

@@marklehman5272 could you declare it as a blocker and phase it out before damage and the creature was still 'blocked' and did no damage (unless it had trample, of course)? I honestly can't remember the rules back then, even though I technically played I was pretty young. I just remember frenetic being strong for some reason. I know wildfire efreet was strong cause it survived bolt and swords, two of the best removal spells during that era.

@@AAGEnzee Mostly yeah. First, a 3 mana 2/1 flier was a decent rate at the time, but it also had a really annoying version of sudo-hexproof/indestructible. Your opponent still had to spend the card on it, there was just a 50% chance that it would still survive so your opponent either had to just deal with it being around or be willing to possibly throw multiple cards away in order to deal with it and there are stories of people winning like 3 flips in a row with it. It even can get around things like Wrath of God. Its not so great against Stompy, which doesn't have any targeted removal, since it's not a great blocker.

@@porgy29 yea ok, it's slowly coming back to me. It's a hard to deal with threat for a control deck, it just looked really bad in this matchup, but stompy wasn't really a meta defining deck for very long. It popped up sometimes, but UWR control was viable for awhile iirc. So like..in a control mirror, or against things with lots of removal, it could close out a game.

We show their price at the end of the video though 😅 they are quite expensive now because they are so rare that they are collectibles in themselves! Frank suggested we buy them for the video and we realized we don't really have the budget 💰

​@@CardmarketMagic Way back when we were first introduced to Magic in '98 my friend bought jakub slemr deck (black-based aggro) and janosch kuhn deck (uwr deck featured in the vid) and then later ben rubin (red sui-sleigh). However, the most annoying one(s) to play against and cause many newbies to jump on the island hater train was donais 5c (not a world champ iirc) and 'the dominator' which is a mono blue preconstructed deck from exodus.

@@CardmarketMagic Funny...I made it a point to buy them all before the pandemic. Along with the Pro Tour Collector set from 1996.

We'll happily do more :) I was so thrilled the whole time editing this, and I didn't even play back then

Agreed those historic championship match-ups are super interesting and would love to see more of it as well.

@@CardmarketMagic tbh you could make a series on the Premodern for this

So true, this is something you would not consider now obviously. But it was perhaps the best creature in Mirage, Frenetic Efreet and Maro being the competition.

Ah, good point, thx!

Autumn Willow and Deadly Insect would like to have a word with you. Blinking Spirit too.

They made gold bordered versions of the world championship decks for a lot of years. Getting some of those are really fun, I have them from 1997 up to 2004 or something. Highly recommend

I’d honestly love that as a series on the channel too

We have been talking about the idea of a tournament series with all the pro tour winning decks forever. But it's such a huge time investment, we are afraid of starting and having to ditch it early because of the lack of views 😬

​@@CardmarketMagic that's a neat idea tho!

I was wondering if this was during the short window where it was broken , Im guessing it was.

@@loungezinger it was broken. They were selling for over £10 each for a cantrip that did very little. Once it was errata, it became a sideboard card to prevent counterspells.

I wish we could play block constructed! I don't think we'd get many views on it though so it might not be worth all the time I spend making these 😅 if these were only a day or two to make, I'd be trying all sorts of stuff!

Thank you :)

Agreed. But I was a bit disappointed that Toffel used new border lands. Tsk tsk tsk :P

@HurricaneGregor it's not thoralf's fault 😅 he actually brought all the cards himself and had old lands for each of the 4 decks we filmed from 1997, but we had a lot of filming that day and had someone from the office put together the cards for the decks. They somehow thought the new cards would be prettier 🤷‍♂️

We will :)

Context is so critical when evaluating cards. Part of why it's so difficult, eh?

That's nice to hear :)

We are actually working on acquiring some of the actual gold bordered decks from the 90s to make more of these over the summer :) we'll do our best for you to be satisfied with your subscription!

We'll make sure not to disappoint you with the future videos :D

It's interesting that you say that because we are doing exactly that :) We have released three so far and we will be trying to do every year of magic with Frank Karsten

2000 Tinker Artifact is one of two decks I never got rid of. Played it competitively back in 2000, and have not played it since, but it's still sleeved up nonetheless

I yearn for those days so much 🥲 (MTG-wise, not internet-connection wise 😅)

Yes, unless you bought a booster box for a horrible set like fallen empires, then your money spent wasn't so fun!!! ;-)

I think one of the biggest mistakes made was removing restrictions from hyper efficient cards. Forcing players to work around those drawbacks made the game a lot more interesting.

We are actually inviting Frank Karsten back again to make a whole series like this :)

Pay attention to our feed in the next few weeks then ;) you won't be disappointed

Thank you! 😃 I'm happy someone noticed!