Magnet Powered Submarine - The Hunt for Red October IRL! 

Nice reference

IceSam Zero - One ping only please.

Jonesey ... Was a Bio-Logic, whales humping !!

@@JohnColgan. you never saw the hunt for red October have you?

@@Shad0wBoxxer several times, I'm using some artistic licence on the misquote!!

Its the pong that gets ya

LENZ effect is how my magnetic design works... Same would work for a nuclear submarine... Torroidal center flow... Watch my channel about my All metals isolating magnet...

But captain i-i-i just

How come i heard this Russian command in a Scottish accent???

Including one way the heck out at Pearl.

Look up the song ‘when you follow your s with an h’ 😂

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two things that irk me about that movie... 1. the missile tubes are way too small. The SSN-20 alone has a diameter of 2.4 meters. 2. the tubes are in a free-flood area in between the two main pressure hulls and thus effectively inaccessible. Yes, yes.. creative license and all that. Either way I'd recommend everyone who likes that movie to read the book series as well (Hunt for Red October being the 4th book in the series). It is well worth it.

@@ranekeisenkralle8265 wasn't the red October quite a wide ship

@@leexgx supposedly a bit wider and longer than a standard typhoon. Yes. Which by itself is already pretty chunky.

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@@RedHeadKevin 😂 Came to say the same thing. Give me a ping, Vashily. One ping only, pleashe.

Most Scottish Lithuanian ever put to screen.

@@RedHeadKevin "While we perform mishille drillsh"

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MHD pumps have been around for over half a century. They are very common on liquid metal cooled nuclear reactors because they are very reliable with no moving parts (taking a pump apart that is handling radioactive liquid sodium potassium alloy is not good for your health).

It actually wasn’t mentioned as being magnetohydrodynamic in the book! That was added in the film

@@allangibson2408 ooo really?

You worked on boats, can you tell us anything about the low frequency communications from Maine? Ultra low?

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That is outstanding!!

Follow the bubbles...

I'd suspect it's magnetic signature might be fairly high too. I wonder what the efficiency in something like this is, and if there might be a way to capture some of the hydrogen to burn to extend it's range. I know it's part of the mass being ejected out the back to provide thrust, so it would be hard to do at a net gain of energy but it might be worth it if it left less of a trail behind it.

@@nacoran, agreed re the Magnetic signature, unless they could figure out a means to conceal or shield it from external detection, any Aircraft or Ship with a MAD would be able to detect it in a heartbeat!

^ that comment wins. #MicDrop

..."cause he always goes to starboard at the bottom half of the hour"

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

@@Hebdomad7 prof. falken is agree

That's because it's using an electromagnetic force system - NOT Magneto Hydrodynamics as in this video. An electromagnetic force system crawls like a caterpillar, by creating a peristaltic wave within a tube that forces the water through.

@@WOTArtyNoobs They use both terms -- caterpillar and magneto hydrodynamic -- to refer to the same thing in the film. It's not unusual for films to mix up their technical terminology.

@@WOTArtyNoobs In the book he says they are not sure why it is called the caterpillar. It is also not electromagnetic or magneto. It was a series of impellers.

Red October did NOT use an MHD system but was a series of jet pumps within the hull. Go read the book.

@@francisdavis1271 In the book, jet pumps were described, that's correct. But in the movie, they refer to caterpillar (german: Raupenantrieb) and also MHD. And in addition, when they had a failure, they thought, there could be a problem with the superconductors which would work as a giant electromagnet for generating the magnetic field. That's one of the differences betwwen the book and the movie.

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Bubbling wouldn't be silent.

It would sound like 2 whales humping or something

Honestly, if they're already doing so much high tech stuff, I'd expect them to be extracting the hydrogen from the exhaust in some way.

@@doubleT84 As I recall in the _BOOK_ Tom Clancy pointed that out. I think he described as being similar to a lava vent hitting water.

I would add to your idea and having a smaller discharge port in comparison to the inlet to act as an accelerator/ jet or compression nozzle.

I agree... I want to see Magnetohydrodynamic submarine version 2.0 with the suggested changes.

Most of all so will a straight tunnel work better

so 2 inlets one central outlet? put the outlet where you would see a normal subs screws.... and put it behind the rudders. That way the thrust can be semi directional?

Agreed. Bifurcating the exhaust probably causes some pressure losses, reducing the thrust the sub ends up with.

👋🏼 Howdy, Ben! Scale it up for your channel....? 🤔✌🏼

Would it make a difference if you made the Electromagnetic magnetic chamber tighter. so that you collect water through a wide opening and speed it up and out through a small opening?

@@gus473 but use lower voltage. you do not want to do electrolyse like these guys

No more muckin' with a G! 😔🥀

3 is a bad idea. unlike gases, water isn't compressible. Reducing flow by creating a blockage will work against it

@DAMNED SHARP KNIVES no. Water may not be completely incompresisble, but it is for the purposes of this test. It most certainly is not "very compresisble". You have to go down miles in the ocean for the density of water to increase by more than a percent. Cavitation is not water compressing. It's caused by water vaporising, and that vapour compressing. Choking the output of this motor will just reduce thrust.

@DAMNED SHARP KNIVES I guess the earth is flat too hey? See how much you can compress some water. Easy to compress gas. Most texts state to consider water as basically incompressible. Do some research.

@DAMNED SHARP KNIVES the gas is compressible. But the gas and the water are 2 very different things. At the bottom of the Mariana trench the water is only compressed a couple of percent. That’s not ‘very compressible’. The pressure levels at that depth are not recreated by a propeller on any boat. Water is moved by a propeller not by being compressed. Take another look at the definition of compressibility. It’s the ability to squeeze a certain amount of a substance into a smaller volume, hence density is a direct measure of how compressed something is. You’re conflating issues.

@DAMNED SHARP KNIVES other properties. Water is not that viscous, it doesn’t lubricate, it expands when it freezes etc. maybe instead of spending so much energy asserting you are right, you could find me a link to a page on any university or scientific paper that states that water is ‘very compressible’. I can only find ones that state it isn’t

I ugly laughed when I read this

Yup...hate to be that guy, but the book was way better...

@@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938 Completely true. So much more happening than shown in the movie.

so the story goes..

Yamato 1 was seriously underpowered. Better powerplants existed back then but nothing official was published.

@@nighthawkviper6791 I imagine the japanese designs weren't running mega watt level reactors. Seems like a great application for nuclear power.

@@johno1544 ... well, the actual Soviet Typhoon submarines that Tom Clancy based Red October on were nuclear powered subs, so who knows?

It also reached respectable deciBell levels as I remember. Meaning, it wasn't silent by a long shot.

@@johno1544 Even those would not have helped. Without going into too much detail, if you try to push more watts into the water, it just heats up and the electrolysis intensifies without much more thrust. Extremely efficient superconducting magnets would help, but even with those there is a hard limit on what can be done...

I remember looking at this 40 years ago, when the some Japanese inventors were considering it as the "dream ship" project. My simple calculations suggested it was not going to be commercially viable, because of the low conductivity of sea water.

WRONG.

You're just going to quote Yamato 1 which is hilarious. There's much more to the story than inefficient Linear Faraday Thrusters like the one on the Yamato.

@@nighthawkviper6791 Thanks for the Yamato 1 reference. My brief look at this technology was in the early 1980s so that project came about 10 years later. The wiki page on that seems to confirm that the claims for this "invention" were over optimistic, which is what my colleagues and I thought in the 1980's, when we advised our client not to pursue a similar line of research. At the time my main day job was researching the generation of electricity from sea waves, which has so far not become economically viable for large scale plant.

@@derekp2674 Magneto-Plasma Chemical Engines, Inertial Mass Reduction, and Fully Enveloped craft have been in operation since AJAX, HTV-X, the Aurora Hypersonics program, and the Astra series at LMSW. M2P2 propulsion, and other forms of Field Propulsion are powered by nuclear reactors, and have more than enough coefficient power to traverse any medium. Be that water, nitrogen-rich air, or the vacuum of space. See Russia's publicly released MHD-Torpedos so you can get some Aerospace Engineering education. (See any referenced above as well). As for civilian markets; "it's too hard to engineer, 50yrs away, give me money so I can research it"----Which is why you only have planes that keep crashing and garbage automobiles that haven't truly innovated in 20yrs. There's also Beamed Energy Propulsion, and Chevy innovated the Chapparal as a concept for civilians; never to be released...lol So, I guess it doesn't really help you knowing this tech exists.

Same,

One of the best Clancy novels ever. RIP Tom....

WE HAVE BEEN SABOTAGED!!

You wouldn't use batteries LMAO You would use Nuclear Reactors and envelop the entire vehicle in the Magneto-Plasma using AFD for x,y,z directional control.

@@nighthawkviper6791 he was likely talking about a small rc boat, not going to be able to use a nuclear reactor for one of those yet.

@@ethangibson8645 spoilsport.

@@ethangibson8645 Yet...

My thought exactly

It'd probably sound like a seismic anomaly or whales humping or something...

Would bubbles rise to the surface and give away position..As you say would they make noise. For a boat that just needs to do about 4knots such as Trident this would be ideal. But would still need reactor to provide electric. If speed is needed then just revert back to normal propulsion. Noise from generator would need to be suppressed as normal. Plus in theory you could use the batteries onboard and use reactor to charge.

Same

Sounds more bada$$....? 🤔

In the book it was literally just a series of impellers set into a pair of tubes inside the hull. Basically an inboard drive system. Nothing terribly high tech. My guess is that it didnt sound hi-tech enough for a film audience to understand why the Navy would want the boat so bad...so they changed it to this more technologically interesting propulsion system

There's probably a way to buffer the plates with fabric or something and direct the bubbles into a tank inside the sub. Anything will work as long as the current flows across the jet. A high frequency AC current on the plates with alternating electromagnets might keep the bubbles smaller.

Agreed great books.

Oregon files. The Dirk pitt adventures. The Isaac Bell novels. The Sam and remi Fargo adventures. And the numa files all great reads.

@@gunrunner7224 they are indeed, I started reading them as a kid and inspired me to get a diver certificate, unfortunately can't afford the classic car collection.

yes and there were also real life experiment made in japan (probably somewhere else too) but its dead end anyway

@@jebise1126 trouble is at the current state of technology, the power to propulsion ratio just cannot compete with a motor and propeller.

This sounds like the kind of thing my 8th grade science teacher would have done.

Apart from the Chlorine-Gas formed by the electrolysis of sea water...wanna let children play with that? XD

@@pauleschuerfeld6627 Hydrogen gas.

@@OdeeOz Yeah, as well as Chlorine from the electrolysis of NaCl. Salt...you could watch SmarterEverydays Video on the Submarine....he states this as well.

@@pauleschuerfeld6627 Chlorine comes from the tap water silly boy/girl/whatever

You only got 2nd place for something this cool?! 1st place better have been a full scale nuclear sub!

@@sivansharma5027 The guy who got first place was my best friend. He built a computer out of telephone relay switches that could add and subtract. Quite an achievement for 1965. He went on to work for HP and then taught electrical engineering in Korea.

Wow! My greatest achievement was graduating from Ft. Lauderdale High Class of ‘66 as one of 3 German exchange students. Both you guys were far ahead of most of us. We admired the Shelby Cobra as our technical interest.

I got first place at my school science fair for demonstrating a vinegar and baking soda powered model boat. It was a small school, and I was in Kindergarten at the time

LENZ effect is how my magnetic design works... Same would work for a nuclear submarine... Torroidal center flow... Watch my channel about my All metals isolating magnet...

yeah when he threw in the prototype, I was like "oh cool so electrolysis", then i remembered that it was salty water and cringed a little

@Chris Webb This salt water is water with dissolved sodium chloride, so breaking the molecular bonds with electricity creates ___, ___, ___, and ___. . . A: (Oxygen, hydrogen, sodium, chlorine)

@Chris Webb here's a good breakdown: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-N_HQGiC9OJE.html

"Isn't this a model or somethin'?" "She sailed out this morning." :)

@@RoBert-ix6ev "This isn't a mockup or anything, they really built this?" "She was put to sea this morning." "When I was 12, I helped my daddy build a bomb shelter in our basement because some fool parked a half a dozen warheads 90 miles off the coast of Florida. This thing could park a couple hundred warheads off the coast of New York or DC and no one would know anything about it till it was all over."

@@mattpeacock5208 true true :D

Interesting idea. I'm not at all familiar with the electrical side of this but mechanically I was going to suggest that you could also design the drive to sit at a slight angle (say >10deg pointing down towards the bow) to create an easier inclined escape path for any gasses that are produced. The loss of thrust due to the angle would be marginal and it would keep the fins submerged so you wouldn't get drive losses from any accumulated gasses.

Nope. You can never bring down the dissociation of the water, as that's coupled directly to the current you pass (Faraday's law of electrolysis). The only way to lessen the creation of hydrogen and chlorine is to lower the current, which also lowers the force on the water... The only way to increase to force without increasing the gas produciton is to use stronger magnets which is why the specifically mentioned 'cryogenic plant' in the movie as the red October used superconducting magnets for the drive (also mentioned in the movie when they have the caterpillar drive breakdown due to sabotage by the cook). An other thing which they did not show in this video is how much corrosion you get on the positive electrode which basically gets dissolved over time and the only way to reduce THAT problem is to make or coat the electrodes with platinum.....

No Smoking

@@srenkoch6127 -- Well, if you reverse the magnetic field and at the same time reverse the electric field, you can use insulated electrodes.

@@GilmerJohn Well yes, but you would have to do the reversal at kHz range in order to use the electrode capacitance like that, and in not sure you can reverse a sufficiently strong magnetic field at that frequency. Remember that NMR-magnets neds to be ramped up and down over minutes if not hours.... And if it could be made to work this way it would make the system basically a HUGE radio transmitter making the sub quite easy to detect (an oscillating magnetic field is one of the definitions of a radio transmitter).

This would be one of the reasons why this propulsion method is not used in real life - good luck replacing the salts in the oceans by sodium carbonate 😊. Not to mention that one could easily find the "stealth" sub by following the flammable bubble trail.

Lower voltage would cut down on it, but also pressure and cold helps it dissolve faster. The issue is that soviet/russian subs are rigged wuth isotope detectors to find leaky subs. Wouldn't be hard to find the elemental deuterium/tritium.

@Mike Marley It would be hard to extract it from the matter-flow without adding too much friction, thereby making it near-pointless.

Yes. There is nothing better than Lithium and water. :-)

@MichaelKingsfordGray wow dude, what hole did you crawl out of , and who was it that peed in your cereal? Was just trying to comment on cool video, but based on your reply, you posted on the wrong video or something 🤔

It would, stronger magnets, higher current, doubling the system. There's plenty of ways you could displace more water, thus achieving more speed.

A closed halbach array would have zero net anomaly, as long as it is properly balanced. It might even have a better weight to magnetic flux ratio.

AC electromagnet drive helps with that and gets rid of the gas generation issue in water. Closing the magnetic circuit would help too.

Not if done correctly. Most of the magneto hydrodynamic drives you see on RU-vid are about 15 years behind the current technology. Think compact flux curves hallback arrays and oscillating drivers.

@@nighthawkviper6791 Is that J. Arthur Shercliffe presenting that video, with support by other US University staff? I met Prof. Eric Laithwaite on at least two occasions. Although his work on linear induction motors was outstanding, his inability to comprehend other topics was disappointing, not least his failure comprehend the mechanics of gyroscopes. He also had a rather biased view on the relative merits of coilguns and railguns and tended to interpret observed facts selectively, to support his view point. He was not really setting himself out as an expert in the latter field though. PS - I agree with what you said about radar evasion.

yeah i think a lower voltage & stronger magnet would be the way to go here

Part of the fun of the project should be the making and modifying the files for the students. Set them up in teams and put someone who knows any of the 3d design programs as chief navel architect, One for team lead, one who knows how to print as chief manufacturing engineer, and one who likes to draw as the industrial designer. Let them play with water flow, Magnet placement, Port cross section and trim of the boat in the water. They may even look at length to boat cross section as a factor to get speed. They could research not only sub design but large surface boat design.

I will try and forget your comments when I present my report…

@@mackdiesel2576 lol hahahaahahha

and a small tube that launches hydrogen bombs.

Magma displacement was how Clancy described it in the book.