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This experiment demonstrates the possibility of driving a vertical axis wind turbine via the Magnus effect...
Project files(circuit diagram,STL ...):smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-...
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@QF2653
@QF2653 Год назад
Pretty complex design for a very simple problem . All my vertical wind turbines self start with no problem. You've created a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Currently, lift-type vertical axis wind turbines are started at the expense of reduced efficiency or increased complexity(cost).
@Hanys111
@Hanys111 2 года назад
Profesionalna robota, profesjonalne badania. 👍👏
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
thanks
@estarling8766
@estarling8766 Год назад
Lovely work and experiment. Nice to see how you prepared everything and that you made it ready to collect and analyse lot of data.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Thank you for watching and agreeing
@skyphantom29
@skyphantom29 2 года назад
Design flaw 1: less than 10 seconds in, and they say there's no blades. Yet each cylinder has a protrusion, ie: a "blade" lmao. The magus effect works off of smooth cylinders anyway so, Why the protusions? Also, the magus effect is inefficient as you have to generate energy to rotate the cylinders
@MrThrillkillhyena
@MrThrillkillhyena 2 года назад
Have you ever seen what happens when a turbine is overdriven due to excessive winds? Speed control could be of use in such conditions.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The efficiency of the Magnus effect is not low, but humans have not found a reasonable way to use it. In addition, it doesn't matter whether there are protusions or not.
@zyx800
@zyx800 2 года назад
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@eboyce24
@eboyce24 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org have you tested protrusion depth and/or angles to see efficiency data at various speeds? Hook up to a generator?
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. Год назад
If it works _off of_ smooth cylinders, then what does it work based *ON?*
@elijahle7936
@elijahle7936 2 года назад
If i understand correct, this isn’t a turbine. A turbine harvests energy from fluid flow. This seems like using energy to spin the rotor. Im also confused on how the 3 motors driving the blades are being controlled/wired through the rotating body.
@joeythefoxxo
@joeythefoxxo 2 года назад
At 0:59, he is holding a part called a slip ring. It’s like a bearing, but allows electrical wiring to go through and spin with the bearing using brushes like a motor. A lot of thing that spin and use power use them. Like an amusement park ride that has lights on a spinning part.
@gargantuationex1120
@gargantuationex1120 2 года назад
Since no windflow in the room, he simulates it with help of electric fan. Different case if he runs it outside
@elijahle7936
@elijahle7936 2 года назад
@@gargantuationex1120 i understand that, but each tube has a gear motor attached to it. It looks like the tubes are driven, not blown
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The motor drives the rotor, and the rotation of the rotor causes the wind to generate torque (Magnus effect) to drive the main shaft. The rotor acts as a catalyst. Although it has not been proven that the energy output can be greater than the input, it is possible => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/ This video(ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html)@1:31 shows a larger one running in a wind tunnel.
@amendo95
@amendo95 2 года назад
2 words, turbine engine. Which uses the airflow it compressed and ignited to drive the compressor section. Just correcting your turbine definition. A turbine can harvest power from a gas or a liquid. You're welcome.
@Inception1338
@Inception1338 Год назад
I love how you build experiments to very your theory.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Yes, experiments are necessary
@tomaltomal2702
@tomaltomal2702 2 года назад
That is very interesting. Good job.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
thanks a lot
@mauriciobailey4725
@mauriciobailey4725 Год назад
@SmartServo Nicely done. Do not put too much attention at all the harsh comments, people tend to be quite hostile to new and novel ideas, especially if they are complex projects. I have read your replies and you are clearly knowledgeable on the material. I would suggest further testing to reduce the input power requirements, while reducing/improving components use. I would suggest the use of air-bearings or magnetic bearings to reduce noise and frictional losses. I hope you continue further research. And if you ever need help, do not be afraid to ask me or other people in academia for advise.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Thank you for your advice and encouragement, which made me feel warm. I have made a bigger one of this type., which is only shown briefly @1:30 of this video => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html . and I found that there are several ways to improve the efficiency: (1)Reduce the inertia of the rotor. (2)Recycle the energy when the motor decelerates and supply it to the accelerating motor, (3) Increasing the lift-to -drag ratio of the rotor, I believe that when these are improved, at sufficient wind speeds this wind turbine can be used to generate electricity.
@jonathansaddi72
@jonathansaddi72 Год назад
Two thumbs up, and full speed ahead, Jehovah bless.😊
@PP.EKOTECH
@PP.EKOTECH 23 дня назад
Interesting design ! :)
@raven3570
@raven3570 2 года назад
the blower of a tower fan will be easy and simple. just reverse the blade curve
@enamsatuu8988
@enamsatuu8988 Год назад
Amazing...
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
thanks !
@user-vq4mt4zd4e
@user-vq4mt4zd4e 2 года назад
great content thanks
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks for your appreciation.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
thanks
@rowgler1
@rowgler1 Год назад
I have wondered if three tall thin Savonious rotors in this configuration would work well in unison if they were geared to the armature and power was taken from the rotation of the armature. I think the gear ratio would be important. It seems like they should spin fast enough to create enough magnus effect to give the armature a torque advantage, yet not so fast as to wear out bearings, or create too much vibration. Their distance to each other would also seem critical and the frame that holds it all would need to be far enough away from the working parts to prevent interference. It doesn't seem like the Savonious rotors would need to be the twisted helical style because they would always be changing their location and three working together should cancel out the 'flap flap' of a single two sided rotor. There would probably be all sorts of variables to work out for maximum efficiency. If nothing else it would make a beautiful wind sculpture. I was thinking about this and looking up planetary gears when I found your video. Very interesting, good luck with your experiment.👍
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Thanks for your comment, I think we are using very different approaches, but good luck anyway.
@MANISHINVENTION
@MANISHINVENTION 2 года назад
New idea 💡
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
No, I wasn't the first to think of this method, it's just that people in the past didn't have the help of modern technology (MCU, motor & drivers) to make it easy to implement. The new idea I came up with is => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@MANISHINVENTION
@MANISHINVENTION 2 года назад
wow
@jitsa82
@jitsa82 2 года назад
Impressive
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
thanks
@ymotberub7775
@ymotberub7775 2 года назад
I have only read 3/4 of all comment and I'm impress by how you managed to answer them all.. I wish you were an AI.. keep doing what you're doing you inspired me who has probably 2 digit IQ.. sincerely i wish I my RU-vid feed would be filled with stuff like yours!
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thank you for your comments, also inspires me, I think RU-vid is a good platform to show your work and communicate with people all over the world. If you have a good idea, don't bury it.
@nihonsuki
@nihonsuki 2 года назад
Since each cylinder needs to reverse direction every half a revolution, none of the cylinders can get up to high enough rotation rate to generate a significant Magnus force. Any slight imbalance in the system will cause the turbine to spin if the bearings are good enough. As someone else mentioned, you need to measure the output torque and input energy to see if you're actually generating any energy. BTW, I think that Challenergy's wind turbine would spin even if they didn't spin the cylinders because of the vanes they put next to the cylinders.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The rotors of Challenergy's wind turbines still have to spin, they just don't have to change direction. Don't you think it's strange that the upwind and downwind torques don't cancel out? Is there such a perfect way in the world? Or is something sacrificed so that the rotors don't have to change direction? The real way to keep the rotor from spinning is to make good use of this much-criticized device =>(see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html),@ 4:03 when the rotation speed is fast enough, the rotors can be stopped and no more energy is consumed.Therefore, I don't have to rush to prove its efficiency.
@romanregman1469
@romanregman1469 2 года назад
Bravos! Keep trying.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks
@jeremyacton4569
@jeremyacton4569 2 года назад
There is more engineering required than using a blade. The cost versus power output would be the decider.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Although the (Darrieus) turbine using blades is highly efficient, it is difficult to self-start. When combined with this device, it can take into account both efficiency and start-up. => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@aksalmusti
@aksalmusti 2 года назад
👏😊such a lovely project. Keep going man 👍
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks🙂
@alancurtis-engineeringdiym5872
Cool
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
thanks
@CUBETechie
@CUBETechie 2 года назад
You should build 2 and place them near by it would be a windturbine pairing which is inspired by fish swarm
@grizzyb4149
@grizzyb4149 Год назад
Seriously nice Muzak
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
thanks
@alanhat5252
@alanhat5252 2 года назад
Would inertia of the rotors wreck this if you tried to scale it up to a useful size? How much energy is required to reverse the rotors as compared with the potential generating capacity?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
When the size of the wind turbine is enlarged, the rotation speed will also decrease. Therefore, the frequency of changing the direction of the rotor is also reduced. The method of improving efficiency can refer to => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/ ,before success, To start the Darrieus turbine is a reasonable work(see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html), when the rotation speed is fast enough, the motor can be stopped(@ 4:03) and no more energy is consumed.
@jorik41
@jorik41 2 года назад
i wonder if it can work mechanically like put horizontal wheels on the bottom of the “blades” and have a inner and have a outer half ring under the turbine. if the wheel touches the outer ring it will rotate the other direction compared to the inner ring. it could even be made more fancy, by using conical wheels you can move the ring up and down to increase or decrease the number of rations of the “blades” make per revolution and by rotating the rings you can ajust for the wind angel
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
If you are interested, you can read this patent (US4446379) to know how people in the past solved this problem mechanically. Fortunately, there are more technologies available in this era. By the way, your method is also very clever.
@aurigo_tech
@aurigo_tech 2 года назад
How do you deliver the power and control signals to the small motors that are attached to the cylinders? Batteries somewhere in there and a wireless control signal?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
No batteries, no wireless, all power lines of motors are connected via a slip ring under the main shaft. see video 0:59
@galtthedestroyer
@galtthedestroyer 2 года назад
If you need the windward and wayward sides to be rotating in opposite directions then you would need 4 cylinders. With 3 cylinders the phase is off kilter for part of the time. Actually, it doesn't matter how many cylinders you have because each cylinder will be fighting against the desired rotation for half of it's revolution. Ok I watched another video where the cylinders are unpowered. Now it makes sense that there are 3 cylinders. 4 would get stuck in place. I guess with yours there's some kind of interference for 1/3 of the time.
@CottonTailJoe
@CottonTailJoe 2 года назад
Really enjoyed this please continue to make videos.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
thanks, I will
@danielch6662
@danielch6662 2 года назад
I think ZEUS has a point. The rotors changing spin direction at such high frequency would likely consume a lot of electricity and also stress everything to the point of breakage. I would just ditch the magnus effect and use a simple propeller or vertical wind turbine, with blades that changes orientation all the way to zero power, to prevent overspeed, and reduce power production when it isn't needed.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
When the radius of the turbine becomes larger, the rotational speed decreases naturally and the rotor does not have to change direction frequently. The blades that changes orientation are what's called "active pitch control",which may be too complicated for ordinary people to implement. The pitch is also driven by a motor, which is difficult to drive directly due to the weight of the blades. Therefore, the transmission mechanism and gearbox should be unavoidable and easily lead to failure. However, the Magnus rotor can achieve required lift by increasing the rotation speed, unlike the blade that needs to increase the surface area, so the rotor is lighter and easier to integrate with the motor to achieve direct drive, making the structure more reliable. In addition,for active pitch control, the chord must be constantly changing with the relative wind direction to maintain the correct angle of attack(AOA), which requires a closed-loop servo system to precisely control the position, which is more complicated. On the contrary, using Magnus rotor only needs to do open-loop speed control, controlling the rotor’s position is not necessary, which is much simpler.
@user-ug7dn4nx7x
@user-ug7dn4nx7x 8 месяцев назад
Нажмите на фрагмент, чтобы вставить его в текстовое поле.🎉
@juanversion3922
@juanversion3922 2 года назад
Wow
@GarretKrampe
@GarretKrampe Год назад
You have a static start mechanism but you have failed to compute the actual wind direction in relation to the centre of each roller. very different phase angles needed . So take the phase angle from the centre of each roller and a wind vane on each roller . Then watch it fly
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
The phase of the rotor is not determined by the mechanism, but set by software. The encoder under the main shaft can detect the position of the rotor, and with the anemometer(Not necessary for wind tunnels), the angle between the wind and the rotor can be calculated. The software then add an offset to each rotor.
@GarretKrampe
@GarretKrampe Год назад
@@SmartServo_org phase angle detection is via the underside . you need to account for apparent wind .
@davidt1621
@davidt1621 9 месяцев назад
If you put a stator in each of the cylinders with a magnet, then each cylinder could generate electricity along with the arms that hold them out. And it could be sent via wireless electromagnetic induction of a unique transformer in the center of the vertical shaft where it all comes together to avoid twisting up the wires as the whole thing spins around that central axis.
@GoldenAdhesive
@GoldenAdhesive 9 месяцев назад
the cylinders are driven by motors to produce the spin on the main shaft so diminishing returns i'm afraid.
@davidt1621
@davidt1621 9 месяцев назад
@@GoldenAdhesive My idea would use the mechanical input of wind to turn a brushless motor for electrostatic output. It would not experience a reduction of "power," because technically electrostatic charge isn't a thermal effect. It can create heat in the form of voltage/electricity when inducted with a transformer though, and that's what I'm suggesting.
@davidt1621
@davidt1621 9 месяцев назад
@@GoldenAdhesive I think he just used the electric fan to simulate wind. If his cylinders are actually very sensitive to wind, then they'd be great for generating their own charges that could be combined in the central vertical shaft/housing via a transformer.
@GoldenAdhesive
@GoldenAdhesive 9 месяцев назад
@@davidt1621 check out his other videos he has intentionally mounted small motors to the bottom of the cylinders to turn them in opposing directions when required. He also provides a valid application for it.
@davidt1621
@davidt1621 9 месяцев назад
@@GoldenAdhesive That's cheating though. The magnus effect is powered mechanically from natural airflow.
@dwee3621
@dwee3621 Год назад
Hello. Pretty amazing concept! If I want to build one, what 3D printing materials would you recommend? Can you advise on the what electrical components I could use ?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
In my project I used PLA as my 3D printing material, but after about 1 year it has been bent due to the weight of the motor. Maybe ABS with better mechanical strength is more suitable for this, but still not suitable for large models, and ABS requires more 3D printing skills. The electronic components I use are Arduino UNO controller board, L298 DC motor driver board x3 and optocoupler modules x3.
@dwee3621
@dwee3621 Год назад
@@SmartServo_org Thank you and all the best!
@ramzeneger
@ramzeneger 2 года назад
Pls invent more
@madtscientist8853
@madtscientist8853 Год назад
My question is that is at a ideal situation that's not in The natural situation which is it's constantly changing wind speed
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
The reason traditional lift-type VAWTs worry about changes in wind speed is that the angle of attack(related to TSR) will be affected and possibly cause a stall. Magnus rotor is immune to wind speed changes, because the circular rotor has no chord, so there is no angle of attack, and no stall problem.
@bobtechno2001
@bobtechno2001 2 года назад
there is one full scale of these wind turbine that was already built and tested I think the problem was too much maintenance on all the movings parts vs regular direct shaft wind turbine
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
If you're talking about turbines made by a Japanese company (Challenergy), there's something different. They added a plate behind the rotor to shield the Magnus force downwind so that the motor didn't have to reverse, but it also lost some lift. What this video shows is the original untouched concept of Magnus VAWT. Although there are many problems, it could trigger some imagination => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@scififan698
@scififan698 2 года назад
If i understand it correctly, you are driving the cylinders with a motor, in order to gain extra wind energy by the blowing wind and the magnus effect, correct? Now will it be higher than the energy required to make the rotors turn, and moreover: will it be more efficient as a regular vertical blade turbine? Nice proof of concept anyway!! I am really curious about the efficiency results, assuming you will try to find those out.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The Darrieus type is the most efficient vertical axis wind turbine, but it was not used successfully due to many unsolved problems such as poor starting ability ,dynamic stall and overspeed in high winds, while the Magnus type is easier. Therefore, if the energy consumption of the rotor can be minimized and the efficiency of the Magnus-type turbine can be improved, this may be a good VAWT solution (more info=> smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/), in addition, the Magnus rotor can also help Darrieus turbine to start easily.=>ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@CursoEnergiaSolarFV
@CursoEnergiaSolarFV 2 года назад
I would like to give you some advice to improve the system. If you replace the rotor cylinders with a succession of discs (Tesla turbine rotor), the friction with the air will increase and with it the speed of rotation of the main rotor of your system. Cheers!
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks for your suggestion, I will consider it.
@droman752
@droman752 2 года назад
I don’t get what the fan is used for if the motors are making the whole thing rotate?
@alanhat5252
@alanhat5252 2 года назад
The Magnus effect on the rotating cylinders is making them travel upwind.
@droman752
@droman752 2 года назад
@@alanhat5252 I’m sorry but my brain must be smaller then I expected . I STILL DO NOT GET IT lol
@DiThi
@DiThi 2 года назад
There are 4 axes: The 3 cylinders and the big axle in the middle. The generator is the big axle having the wind rotate the whole thing, but for that the individual cylinders have to rotate around their axis and that's what the 3 motors are for.
@droman752
@droman752 2 года назад
@@DiThi thanks for that. I get it now! 👏🏽👏🏽
@RupertReynolds1962
@RupertReynolds1962 2 года назад
The fan is to simulate the natural wind that might power such a device.
@jeffjuliebrown8615
@jeffjuliebrown8615 2 года назад
This will be a high maintenance system because as the blades reverse direction they come to a complete stop then accelerate again. This will produce massive wear in the blade shaft bearings.
@gavinchristiantoro
@gavinchristiantoro 2 года назад
except magnetic/airfoil bearing
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The acceleration and deceleration of the rotor will not cause bearing damage, it is caused by stress. Moreover, when the size of the wind turbine becomes larger, the rotation speed can be reduced, and the frequency of acceleration and deceleration is naturally reduced.
@zeuso.1947
@zeuso.1947 2 года назад
Exactly, and it takes a ridiculous amount of power to reverse direction TWICE every revolution.
@zodiacfml
@zodiacfml 2 года назад
good prototyping skills but little physics concept, many people think magnus effect could be used for vertical wind because it is cool. think of the magnus effect of transforming a cylinder into an airplane wing, or in a wind turbine the blades. you could get the same effect or even better power if these were simply vertical wind blades. of course, vertical wind turbines is not easy as simply vertical blades.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
While Magnus rotors have had some problems with vertical wind turbines, all other approaches have not been successful, otherwise they should be everywhere like HAWT.
@ALEM_QUTBASY
@ALEM_QUTBASY 2 года назад
Hello, nice job! which software did you use for modelling?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Fusion 360
@BillyBob-1776
@BillyBob-1776 2 года назад
Whoever convinced you to use eighties sitcom music was trolling you.
@dannyDrives_Renewable_Electric
More like Steely Dan cover band jam session
@joselucnico
@joselucnico Год назад
Can you add a second rotor, like a bike, with weight for the inertia ?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
What's the point?
@petenguyen8455
@petenguyen8455 9 месяцев назад
Now let get to the main goal of this device: 'wind turbine' to generate energy. 1. all power input into make the device spin in the wind will greatly negate any potential power it generated. 2. with the complexity of the mechanism, in practice, this device is prone to failure very quickly 3. by using 3 brushed motors as a mean to spin it, the rsult is quicker to failure due to burntout brushes. if brushless motors are being used, they are expensive and added more complexity to the device. Good try for demo though.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for your comment, let me explain your doubts: 1, Although it takes energy to rotate the cylinder, there are still ways to minimize energy consumption, see => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/ And don't forget that wind energy is proportional to the cube of wind speed. When the wind is strong enough, a net energy is produced. 2, The mechanism was chosen for this project simply because it was cheap. A set of DC motors and gearboxes cost less than $2 USD. Direct drive is also possible to eliminate the need for a gearbox to reduce complexity. => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XmZwYpoKQ8Y.htmlsi=CRQ2mNfxw8CiiLoG&t=97 3, Due to the advancement of new motor technology, brushless motors are widely used in drones and remote control aircraft, which are reliable and cheap and suitable for our use.
@StainOnRug
@StainOnRug 2 года назад
What did you use for the generator? Did you generate any electric from this experiment?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
It's just a conceptual model and it's too small.
@nezzee
@nezzee 2 года назад
It likely produces much less energy than it takes to run. The arduino is powering the rotation of the cylinders, which also requires even more energy to reverse the cylinder rotation half way through the rotation of the whole turbine. It's nifty demonstration of the Magnus effect, but isn't a generator by any means because it is constantly working against itself with reversing the rotation of the cylinders, plus the significant extra friction from all the bearings. The magnus effect is a very light force compared to just the direct force of the wind captured by a blade passively in a traditional turbine. So it's putting in more energy to rotate the cylinders for less rotational energy captured by the wind. Easiest way to think of it, for as fast as the demonstration was rotating, putting a similar scale blade turbine in front of that fan would be spinning much faster passively.
@vadvetjag12345
@vadvetjag12345 Год назад
Fruktansvärd musik!!
@josephgauthier5018
@josephgauthier5018 2 года назад
Would have been nice to see it turned on before the fan. Willing to bet a large portion of the rotational speed has a lot to do with imparted energy from the motors spinning the cylinders. Could be wrong about that, but there is definitely a need for them to show the difference between the fan being on and off Edit: grammar errors
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The motor drives the rotor, and the rotation of the rotor induces the wind to generate torque(by Magnus effect) to drive the main shaft. If the fan is not turned on, the main shaft cannot rotate.
@josephgauthier5018
@josephgauthier5018 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org I'm aware of how the Magnus effect works, I'm just suggesting that maybe not all of the initial speed is caused by the Magnus effect alone.
@danajohnson5993
@danajohnson5993 2 года назад
This is an interesting thought. I made an odd sculpture where angular momentum was transferred to different parts just by the overall rotation of the whole. I wasn’t expecting it, but it was quite cool. Certainly the angular momentum of the rotors has to go somewhere when they reverse.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@danajohnson5993 Because each rotor rotates at a different speed and direction, for example, when one rotor is accelerating, the other rotors are decelerating, and the changes in angular momentum may cancel out.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@josephgauthier5018 In the future, I will add a video of the rotor turning before the fan is turned on.
@szolanek
@szolanek 9 месяцев назад
For some reason the fan has horizontal axis. Can you use a fan with vertical axis, please!
@horacio_gonzalez
@horacio_gonzalez 2 года назад
what you study to know to create the electronic and programing??
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
This project only uses the PWM of the arduino UNO to control the L298 DC motor driver. It is programmed in C language.
@thatsawesome2060
@thatsawesome2060 Год назад
When you are bored engineer and you mom asking for a fan.
@JohnSherman2
@JohnSherman2 2 года назад
What is the real time power draw necessary to rotate each cylinder during test under various conditions?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Here are ways to reduce power consumption and improve efficiency => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@danielhall5364
@danielhall5364 Год назад
now all you have to do is tie a wind direction sensor in to the phase control to automate the system
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Yes, this is a necessary step for testing the turbine outdoors. Before that, I needed to redesign the structure to make it bigger and stronger.
@turnerjaynesjr
@turnerjaynesjr 2 года назад
And in an open air situation. The wind is non-controlable. As the fan had to be adjusted for results. Open air wind can not be adjusted. A fan has a tunnel effect needed for this turbine to work.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Simply using a fan is different from a wind tunnel, and there will be no wind tunnel effect. Also, the Magnus effect works both in the wind tunnel and outdoors, just like Messi can kick a banana ball without being in a wind tunnel.
@WhatDadIsUpTo
@WhatDadIsUpTo 2 года назад
I have built vertical access wind turbines for over 50 years á a hobby. You guys missed it big time. The symmetrical-section wings are for leverage only. Speed as well as power is controlled by the length of the moment arm. I start mine with a flow of compressed air against what is basically a Pelton wheel at the base of the windmill. Once the blades are up to approximately three times the speed of the wind, it takes over and spins like a top. In fact, it's hard to slow down even shorting out the generator or applying the brakes. I live in Texas and the wind is very strong here.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The Darrieus wind turbine does have the problem of overspeeding when encountering strong winds, and it has not been effectively solved. Therefore, some designs use multiple blades (large solidity) to reduce the speed, but it also leads to low efficiency. not a good idea. The work of the VAWT has not been completed yet ...
@drunkbuzzard3237
@drunkbuzzard3237 2 года назад
The two Pac Wind VAWTs in my neighborhood blew apart in the same storm 10 years ago. One was the real big model and it just blew apart. The guy spent a fortune on it even the pole in the ground was really expensive because it was so big and so thick and had such a large concrete base.
@DesignedbyWill2084
@DesignedbyWill2084 2 года назад
Brushless direct drive motors might make it mechanically simpler and faster response, definitely quieter!
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Of course, this video( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html ) shows a second version using BLDC motors. It is used to start the Darrieus turbine, when the rotation speed is fast enough, the motor can be stopped(@ 4:03) and no more energy is consumed.
@mattmilford8106
@mattmilford8106 2 года назад
It sis an interesting demonstration of the magnus effect, but as a wind turbine, I wonder if it is any better than replacing all the wind-catching stuff with a planetary gear set. You are putting energy into rotating the cylinders to get energy out of the turbine. Too me that seems suspiciously like blowing into the sail of your own ship.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks for your opinion. The motor drives the rotor, and the rotation of the rotor causes the wind to generate torque (Magnus effect) to drive the main shaft. The rotor acts as a catalyst. The energy consumption of driving the rotor is not large. It only needs to overcome the viscosity of the fluid , the friction of the bearing and motor, which is less than directly driving the whole turbine. Although it has not been proven that the energy output can be greater than the input, i think it is possible => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@StephenRayner
@StephenRayner Год назад
What is your educational background and current industry of work?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Study mechanical engineering, work as a firmware engineer, not related to wind energy
@pregaramen8747
@pregaramen8747 2 года назад
Huge stress and maintenance on the mechanical parts like bearings lowering efficiency of the concept. Idea may be good still...
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment, I made a bigger one with slim rotors to reduce inertia and drag, if you are interested you can refer to the video @ 1:31 =>ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@f.u.52
@f.u.52 2 года назад
Very interesting Experiment. But could this theoretically be more efficent than something like an inverted Voith-Schneider propeller with an ai pitch control?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Although the two are similar in appearance, they have different uses. The Magnus device is used to generate power in a flowing fluid.
@f.u.52
@f.u.52 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_orgthank you for your fast response, i dont know if i got you right, but shouldn't it be possible to use a voith Schneider Propeller to generate energy from a flowing fluid as well? Woul be like a darrieus Rotor with a flexible pitch. I Think that the cylinders have a higher resistance than wings, but i ask myself if the higher lift could Balance that..
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@f.u.52 Darrieus wind turbines have high efficiency with or without active pitch control. High efficiency can be achieved by using high lift-to-drag ratio blades and operating above TSR 4. However, the rotor has a low lift-drag ratio and is therefore not suitable for operation at high TSR (Tip speed ratio). I think using high aspect ratio rotors with number >= 4 and running at TSR 1~2 should achieve good efficiency.
@nguyengiabao1275
@nguyengiabao1275 2 года назад
So, must be have three motor for priming and stopping?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Yes, the motors are required to drive the rotors when starting, but not when stopping.
@antoniobragah8305
@antoniobragah8305 2 года назад
Nice vid. How will this scale to macro level like on building roof tops ?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
For this device to be meaningful, it must first solve the problem of energy consumption. Before that, combining it with lift blades may be a way to create value in the short term. Please refer to =>ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org why does it need energy? Do you really have to spin the columns manually ? Wouldn't just using the column spin to generate energy work? use the back-EMF to control the rotation, you would only need energy to start it. Nevertheless nice idea, but too many moving parts.
@Manishthreals
@Manishthreals Год назад
Hello bro...i want to ask you that what is the name of simulation software and can you give link plzz?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Fusion 360 =>www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/personal
@peterwan小P
@peterwan小P 2 года назад
The is something I heard from Japan claiming that it can generate electricity from tornado (btw I am not quite sure if it is the US or Japan)
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Maybe you're talking about a turbine made by a Japanese company (Challenergy), still a little different. They added a plate behind the rotor to mask the Magnus force on the leeward side so the motor didn't have to reverse, but it also lost some lift. This video shows the Magnus VAWT in its original concept.
@manfredlemo4366
@manfredlemo4366 Год назад
Leider muss bei dem Konzept die Drehrichtung pro Umdrehung umgekehrt werden. Das erfordert je nach Masse der Rollen viel Energie. War bei dem Modell ein windrichtungsdetektor eingebunden? Interessanter Versuch jedenfalls...
@flyingmonkey3822
@flyingmonkey3822 Год назад
The rollers aren’t reversing direction, and @4:30 he did use an anemometer
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
The method of improving the efficiency can refer to => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@akashdeeplakra3583
@akashdeeplakra3583 2 года назад
I hope this replace wheel n we need this to fly our car.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Thanks for the comment. The Magnus effect can be used to propel a boat, but maybe not for a car, because the car needs to change direction from time to time, but the wind direction may not be appropriate, or even no wind.
@zoltangacsi4614
@zoltangacsi4614 2 года назад
How fast does the CW-to-CCW change take place? (e.g. from 100rpm CCW to 100 rpm CW, like from zero to 200 rpm in about nanoseconds? And what kind of motor can do that?)
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
When the radius of the windmill increases, the rotational speed naturally decreases. Because the linear velocity is constant.
@zoltangacsi4614
@zoltangacsi4614 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org I must have missed something. I do see in your other vid and I understand that the rotation changes direction when between leeward and windward . But how fast can that be done? (I know it may also depend on the moment of inertia of the rotor. E.g. would they be built out of lead, I cant see how a small motor could do the direction changes.) Nevertheless, your project is very inspiring, so keep up the good experimentation.
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 2 года назад
How much of movement is coming from the fan, and how much from the DC motors spinning the drums? Technically just running on the DC motors the wind turbine will still move without wind. Your goal should able do this without the DC motors with some gear train on the central hub going out to each drum.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The energy consumption of driving the rotor to generate Magnus lift is not large. It only needs to overcome the viscosity of the fluid and the friction force of the bearing, which is lower than the energy consumption of directly driving the whole windmill because the wind energy is used. The method of improving the efficiency can refer to => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@Mauro-82
@Mauro-82 2 года назад
Without wind it cannot start spinning relying on the Magnus effect. If it is already in motion it will have the Magnus effect but I think the force will be directed inwards or outwards without contributing to the rotation
@scottk3292
@scottk3292 2 года назад
Years ago I read an article on a sailboat which had one large magnus effect rotor as the sail. I worked, but I wonder how well compared to putting the same rotor- driving electricity into a propellor to just push the boat.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
You can see the Norsepower.com =>www.norsepower.com/key-advantages ,can typically produce 5-20% fuel savings.
@marcomarchini6095
@marcomarchini6095 2 года назад
Ma ha senso usare energia per far girare più veloce e se si quanto si ricava veramente,. ed anche i movimenti strani quando ai messo al minimo il potenziometro sono sospetti, cioè c'è il trucco.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Adjusting the potentiometer is to control the speed of the main shaft, which is beneficial to keep the turbine at the rated speed under strong wind to avoid damage.
@patraic5241
@patraic5241 2 года назад
Something this size could easily be used on a sailing yacht or erected in camp for an RV.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Portable wind turbines also have market potential and are in demand by travelers or campers.
@MastaSquidge
@MastaSquidge 2 года назад
>Has no blades. >Technically has blades.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
I think cylindrical rotors are easier to manufacture than normal blades with curved surfaces. If the rotor is made soft and hollow, it will naturally form a cylindrical shape as long as it is inflated.
@samuelsungstabtu7527
@samuelsungstabtu7527 2 года назад
Ermmm... using motors to spin a generator? Whats the point?
@gzkgzk
@gzkgzk 2 года назад
It's a controlled test environment.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
A motor drives a rotor, and the rotation of the rotor induces the wind power to generate torque to drive a generator. The rotor acts as a catalyst. Although it has not been proven that the energy output can be greater than the input, it is not impossible => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@samuelsungstabtu7527
@samuelsungstabtu7527 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_orgHence my question. But havent the setup been put through a power meter, for example?
@sanseiryu
@sanseiryu 2 года назад
Ermmm...A fake volcano for a science project using baking soda and vinegar. What's the point, why don't you use real lava? It's a tabletop demonstration to explain the physics behind wind energy.
@rjds1800
@rjds1800 2 года назад
Exactly what I was thinking
@nicktumi
@nicktumi Год назад
How much current can you get at 20volts?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
This experimental device is too small to generate electricity, but it can be used like this => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@zachparker1787
@zachparker1787 2 года назад
Rule of thumb the less moving parts the better.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
You are right, but even Darrieus wind turbines have no moving parts other than the main shaft and have not been used successfully. Sometimes compromises must be made in exchange for benefits. Rotational motion is not all detrimental unless there are (1) heavy loads (2) gearboxes (3) cantilevered construction, which are not present in the project of this video when using direct drive.
@zachparker1787
@zachparker1787 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org yes but now ur sounding like Nissan let’s use cvts. . it didn’t work for them
@topspeed250k5
@topspeed250k5 2 года назад
"Less" is used for amounts, e.g kilograms, litres, gallons, pounds. "Moving parts" is a number e.g. 3,4, a dozen moving parts. Hence, *"The fewer moving parts, the better"....because correct English makes you sound more educated & adds credibility to your statements.
@zachparker1787
@zachparker1787 2 года назад
@@topspeed250k5 ok and your point is I’m not writing a dissertation sir or mam, I can care less what u or the rest of the 8 billion on this planet think. Nobody listens to me anyways, education doesn’t mean your smart people like Tesla and Einstein will confirm that. It’s having vision. So what I said was right you made it into a cluster duck
@rainerlubke3766
@rainerlubke3766 2 года назад
what can be the enery win ? how effective is it. May this is good for wind turbine for inner city because low nose
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
To start the Darrieus turbine is a reasonable application(see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html), when the rotation speed is fast enough, the motor can be stopped(@ 4:03) and no more energy is consumed. and the vertical axis wind turbine has low noise.
@rainerlubke3766
@rainerlubke3766 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org soemone is distributing such a turbine for urban use ? I mean small for private homes lets say 300 or 600 Watt max
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@rainerlubke3766 Not yet, it's just a conceptual model.
@rainerlubke3766
@rainerlubke3766 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org so ....
@heimizhou450
@heimizhou450 4 месяца назад
I would say that It has blades on the foam cylinder
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 4 месяца назад
the strip on the cylinder is not necessary => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XmZwYpoKQ8Y.htmlsi=R0IujWvqjNI3tsB0&t=22
@heimizhou450
@heimizhou450 4 месяца назад
the strip on the cylinder presents the force for cylinder's rotation, then causes outer turbine rotating. you can compare the rotation speed difference between with and without the strips. and you can test by using the cylinder with very smooth surface such as thin foil
@CrjaseMechaEngr
@CrjaseMechaEngr Год назад
Hey, could you please direct me to a page with details on how to make this, if you used any sources? I want to try making something like this, as my first real project.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
When the document is ready it will be posted on the website => smartservo.org/en/magnus-effect-vawt-main-en/
@CrjaseMechaEngr
@CrjaseMechaEngr Год назад
@@SmartServo_org thank you so much
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 9 месяцев назад
@@CrjaseMechaEngr sorry for the late reply. Project file link => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-files-open-en/
@streetlurker8168
@streetlurker8168 2 года назад
How many aa batteries do I need to do this?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
It depends on what the rated voltage of the motor you choose is.
@michaelbrukley1311
@michaelbrukley1311 2 года назад
Can it be scaled up to generate positive electricity.
@alantupper4106
@alantupper4106 2 года назад
There is a Japanese company that is working onmaking full scale versions of these. The big selling point is they can work even in violent storm winds, such as hurricanes and typhoons
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@alantupper4106 The wind turbine in this video is still different from that of the Japanese company you mentioned (it should be Challenergy). It installs a flat plate behind each rotor to cover the wind from the leeward side, so that the rotor only needs to maintain the same speed without changing direction.Although easier to control, it uses only half of the Magnus lift.
@klausbrinck2137
@klausbrinck2137 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org But if you constantly change the direction of the leeward-side-rotor, you get a problem with exotic materials, that would be needed, since in such a case, the rotors have to have marginal rotational inertia, in order to speed-up and slow-down constantly. I think the japanese approach is better. Use only the half the magnus-effect, but avoid using high-tech-material-rotors (rotors made out of materials that don´t even exist yet). I thought it´s crazy when I saw it, and I thought, that if there were a way to avoid the change-of-direction, it then would be a great idea, and now you tell me that this already exists, in Japan. Build your rotors hollow, with stable spokes/beams leading to the rotors´s shell.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@klausbrinck2137 Is it a good idea to sacrifice half of the Magnus effect for the motor not to have to change direction? Seems too optimistic until knowing how efficient it is.In addition, motors that rotate in one direction are not as good as motors that do not need to rotate.It's not too late to judge after seeing this idea=> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html
@sylvaindescoteaux4208
@sylvaindescoteaux4208 2 года назад
does this produce energy for a device or just more wind ...what's the porpuse of this ?
@xymaryai8283
@xymaryai8283 2 года назад
i assume its meant to generate rotational energy for ships or as they said, VAWTs (Vertical Axis Wind Turbines) but i doubt that the amount of energy harnessed is more than it takes to drive the drums, or is less than a normal Magnus turbine or HAWT.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
The original purpose of this windmill is to generate electricity. Obviously, the problem it must overcome is that the energy generated must be greater than the energy consumed. The main solutions are: 1, increase the efficiency of the rotor, >>Increase aspect ratio (slim and long) to improve lift-drag ratio. 2, reduce the energy consumption of the motor >> reduce the mass of the rotor to make the inertia lighter >>Recycle the energy when the motor decelerates and reuse it With these improvements, I believe that net energy output can be achieved above a certain wind speed.
@stanlibuda5786
@stanlibuda5786 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org And when you use more than 3 of these "white thingies" ( do not know the english term) ? Do you get more rpms? And/or with longer ones?
@worldcomicsreview354
@worldcomicsreview354 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org Wonder if you could put a small generator on each magnus-effect tube as well as a big on the main rotor?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@stanlibuda5786 Using a longer rotor can increase the lift-to-drag ratio, which is beneficial for increasing speed.
@EliseVeyrat
@EliseVeyrat 2 месяца назад
Hi ! We are two french students and we are leading some research and experiments on magnus effect wind turbines. We would like to build it ourselves to test it with different parameters. Is it possible to have more details on the construction of this turbine (especially on motors) ?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 месяца назад
URLs to all project files are listed below the video description. The motor model is DC130
@EliseVeyrat
@EliseVeyrat Месяц назад
@@SmartServo_org Hello again ! We've been going through the documents filed under the video but we still have some questions left. How did you build the gear reducer (or did you buy it ? what type is it ?) ? How does the tachometer work exactly ? And what is the purpose of the Arduino card, does it only receive information or also control the motors ?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Месяц назад
@@EliseVeyrat you can get the gear box on amazon by searching"gear box arduino",To avoid too large a gear ratio to reduce the speed, 20 is a good choice. Since the rotor should rotate in opposite directions on the windward and leeward sides, the Arduino controls the speed and direction of the 3 motors according the azimuth sensor below the main shaft.As can be seen, two semi-circular plates are arranged at 90 degrees apart to divide a plane into 4 quadrants. at power up ,guessing at the center of the quadrant make the error less than +/- 45 degree which is small enough to drive the rotor in the right direction. when the main shaft rotates through the quadrants, the correct azimuth can be found. then count the pulse from the third plate with 40 holes on it to get the real time precise azimuth.
@reylannleido6899
@reylannleido6899 2 года назад
there is already a large prototype in japan
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Maybe you're talking about a turbine made by a Japanese company (Challenergy), still quite different. They added a plate behind the rotor to mask the Magnus force on the leeward side so the motor didn't have to reverse, but it also lost some lift. This video shows the Magnus VAWT in its original concept, which predates the Japanese one.
@minduton
@minduton 6 месяцев назад
How are you solved the commutation of Flettner rotor rotation?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 6 месяцев назад
Using DC motor driver board (L298), all project parts are listed here => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-files-open-en/
@minduton
@minduton 6 месяцев назад
​@@SmartServo_org Thanks. I think, overcoming inertia when reversing the direction of rotation of the cylinders must bring down the efficiency of this device severely.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 6 месяцев назад
@@minduton Yes, but energy consumption can be minimized through the methods described here => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/#improve_ways
@minduton
@minduton 6 месяцев назад
@@SmartServo_org At this would be better to apply the "pendulum principle". Take such a pendulum at an ancient clock. It is a machine that performs a regular opposite movements, but with an absolute minimum of energy. So, install a spring or a piece of rubber coil into the Flettner cylinder, which mostly uses the energy to rotate the cylinder in the opposite direction. It is also a question whether it would not be an advantage to reduce the number of Flettner cylinders to an even number. This would make it possible to mechanically link the drive of the opposite cylinders and then maybe figure out some mechanically elegant way to use the already unnecessary kinetic energy of the opposite cylinder to reverse the rotation. This type of turbine simply stands and falls on how efficiently it is possible to recover the kinetic energy of those cylinders during their commutation. So far you are at "minus 100%" currently. :) Unfortunately. So in terms of overall efficiency, it sucks. The speed and direction of rotation of the cylinders should copy an ideal sinusoidal curve when projected onto the graph, logically. With such a course of rotation speed, the maximum efficiency of this device will be.
@StephenRayner
@StephenRayner Год назад
How much would it cost to build one of these? 3D printers, material, electrical equipment for testing etc?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
The materials are not expensive, mainly include Arduino UNO(10 USD), L298 DC motor Driver(2.5 USD) x3, motor & Gear box(2 USD) x3, Slip ring(10 USD), optocoupler module(2 USD) )x3, the most expensive part is three acrylic circular plates (made to order) which cost about 40 USD
@bernardmentink9590
@bernardmentink9590 Год назад
Can you share STL file for wing sections?
@StephenRayner
@StephenRayner Год назад
What is an STL file?
@FloetschMaster
@FloetschMaster 2 года назад
how would that be a turbine if you use motors?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Don't worry about motors, they are also present in popular horizontal wind turbines for pitch control. What important is that the energy harvested from the air is greater than the energy consumed, even if this device is questionable, it is still possible => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@WaldekDudzinski
@WaldekDudzinski 2 года назад
+1👍
@SolarizeYourLife
@SolarizeYourLife Год назад
Even if it does work, the bearings will, wear out quickly... And you have a lot of them...
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
The torque characteristics of common VAWTs with blades are quite different from those with rotors, so previous experience cannot be applied here.
@SolarizeYourLife
@SolarizeYourLife Год назад
@@SmartServo_org what does that have to do with it, vertical turbans have only one or two and they fail...you need at least 8 taper bearings...
@joryferrell7244
@joryferrell7244 Год назад
I believe their point was that there may be less loading on the bearings, leading to increased lifespan...
@truthseeker1364
@truthseeker1364 Год назад
It seems like a cool project where can I get the files
@lightneko
@lightneko 2 года назад
Are you making more power than used?
@evilallowance6002
@evilallowance6002 2 года назад
way way less, lots of energy loss. too much for perpetuum mobile
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Not yet, but since the wind energy increases with the third power of the wind speed, as long as the wind speed increases and the energy consumption of the rotors are improved, it can be achieved. refer to => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/
@zeuso.1947
@zeuso.1947 2 года назад
Not even close and never will be.
@rainbowforest09
@rainbowforest09 2 года назад
Just a case. In a day with no wind at all how do you get power to spin the rotor? How much efficiency it can get?
@praveenb9048
@praveenb9048 2 года назад
If there is no wind at all, what's the point of spinning the rotor?
@rainbowforest09
@rainbowforest09 2 года назад
@@praveenb9048 I presume that this system is working without human intervention. So how the wind turbine knows if there's a wind blowing? The electricity is produced by center axis spin by magnus effect produced from 3 rotating "blades"
@praveenb9048
@praveenb9048 2 года назад
Yes, I'm assuming that some kind of smart controller would be used. For example, if the wind is to strong the controller would have to reduce the rotor speed to avoid damaging the mechanical and electrical elements.
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
@@rainbowforest09 Yes, it requires auxiliary devices to make up the system, such as anemometer, controller, batteries or power source ...
@bryanst.martin7134
@bryanst.martin7134 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org Obviously energy is being put in, what is coming out? Hopefully more than in.
@herupb60
@herupb60 2 года назад
Wait if than spin need electric i think is not turbine, turbine is no need electric 🤔, but if electric production higher than consumption maybe is good to
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Although it has not been proven that the energy output can be greater than the input, it is possible => smartservo.org/en/magnus-vawt-implement-en/ before that, To start the Darrieus turbine is a reasonable work(see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9AdpggaOfF0.html), when the rotation speed is fast enough, the motor can be stopped(@ 4:03) and no more energy is consumed.
@muhammadadnan55
@muhammadadnan55 2 года назад
This is for test purpose man. As said in start of test
@TT-rg6yc
@TT-rg6yc Год назад
If this was to replace existing wind turbines. How big would it be to generate the same amount of electricity?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
If you're asking about efficiency, further experimentation is required. I've only verified so far that it can exceed TSR 2, Limited by motor response and rotor lift-to-drag ratio, but already faster than many common VAWTs.
@Rightforrightright
@Rightforrightright 2 года назад
Is it faster than the electric fan blower ?
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
no, this design cannot be achieved, because the motor can't keep up with the frequency of the command.
@davidlacziko1516
@davidlacziko1516 2 года назад
But can it generate any electricity???
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org Год назад
Since it can produce a lot of torque, I think the power generation is fine, the problem is making it efficient.
@davidkendall589
@davidkendall589 2 года назад
More moving parts, less lift generated.. its a wonder why airplanes don't use magnus "wings"
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Decades ago, people tried to use Magnus rotor to build aircraft, but for many reasons, it failed. In theory, the rotor's lift-drag ratio is not as large as that of fixed-wing, but the lift coefficient is large. Therefore, The speed of the Magnus aircraft is between that of a fixed-wing aircraft and a helicopter. But it can take off and land at short distances, and it still has its value.
@davidkendall589
@davidkendall589 2 года назад
@@SmartServo_org I know.
@subhrajitroy4530
@subhrajitroy4530 2 года назад
Use spiral corrugated cylinders with pimples like golf ball
@SmartServo_org
@SmartServo_org 2 года назад
Yes, this helps to some extent.
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