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Magnus Midtbø on Viral Free Solo with Alex Honnold 

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@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 9 месяцев назад
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@TheJeffDing
@TheJeffDing 9 месяцев назад
I climbed that route (Armatron) a week ago and it actually made the video seem a little less nervewracking . The style of climbing is very secure with big positive holds and I can see why Honnold thought it was a good choice. I'm not saying I'd *ever* want to solo it, and no doubt would be shitting my pants if I did, but I'll put it this way: if I were forced to choose between playing Russian roulette or soloing Armatron to escape with my life, I'd pick the soloing option without a doubt
@boogaloo4640
@boogaloo4640 9 месяцев назад
Of course it was less nervewracking. You had a rope. Magnus didn't have the option to rope it first
@deci
@deci 9 месяцев назад
​@@boogaloo4640He said it made (watching) 'the video' less nerve wracking. Not that Magnus' experience was less nerve wracking.
@AntonAdelson
@AntonAdelson 9 месяцев назад
Interesting way to tell that you feel your chances of falling off are much less that 16.66 percent! Thanks! I do a lot of soloing myself. Would you say the chance for you is 1% or lower?
@Ericxnugz
@Ericxnugz 9 месяцев назад
@@boogaloo4640it’s a 5.9 bro it’s not like he was soloing 5.11 or something
@jakobbauz
@jakobbauz 9 месяцев назад
I think that's about what it'd take for me as well...
@tonyb8791
@tonyb8791 9 месяцев назад
That Midtbo Honnold video is epic and should win awards. It's excellent at letting the viewer "feel" what it takes from a mental state to do that. I've climbed the traditional red rock area many many times and it's like climbing on flypaper. That smooth baked stuff is not like that. I felt like Magnus on the flypaper stuff. But after you get through it you feel like Superman. And that's why you do it again.
@moratatata
@moratatata 9 месяцев назад
I wathced the Magnus video for like 70% okay didn't felt like a lot and then when Magnus turned on the gopro camera i was like wow... at that point you actually can see or feel atleast something he is feeling when you look down..
@MattCPhil
@MattCPhil 9 месяцев назад
That’s what I’m saying man. That video is absurd on so many levels
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
I almost feel like you shouldn't reward it. The more people like Storror, Magnus, Pete, Tom and the like, realise we watch them for their personality and positivity not the risk they take at height, the better.
@fan4every1lol89
@fan4every1lol89 6 месяцев назад
​@@luckyspursI wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment
@FaultyWirestv
@FaultyWirestv 5 месяцев назад
​@@fan4every1lol89agreed. Every person who collabs with honnold is doing the hobby a disservice by furthering his reach and making it look like some sort of cool guy achievement. He will eventually have blood on his hands if he continues this type of thing. It's like if you had a pro skateboarder that did huge ramp jumps and didn't wear pads and people thought it was special. Just do it right every time.
@baileyayyy5085
@baileyayyy5085 9 месяцев назад
Alex: lets just hope we dont kill Magnus Magnus: yeah....
@osamabincreepin3533
@osamabincreepin3533 9 месяцев назад
*nervous laughter*
@pintorthepintor3964
@pintorthepintor3964 5 месяцев назад
“Its so easy… Trust 😎🤜🤜. Lets also hope we don’t kill you…🙃.”
@bearcrimes
@bearcrimes 5 месяцев назад
dude basically asking for a lawsuit from family if things do go wrong. he should be more low key about asking people to put their lives on the line for pretty much no reason at all. I get he dgaf, but basically asking someone to risk their lives on a route they have never even completed with ropes is kind of irresponsible and weird coming from a climber with such status and notoriety. No way Alexs lawyers dont cringe hard at all of this.
@niqwalshensemble9164
@niqwalshensemble9164 4 месяца назад
@@bearcrimeshe’s an adult and responsible for his own decisions
@paysonfox88
@paysonfox88 3 месяца назад
that lit a fire in Magnus though. He got 3rd in a nation-class contest in Japan recently. He did a bouldering and wall contest in a gym, he was tired and trying to get 10th at best, but got top 3.
@TheArmyKnifeNut
@TheArmyKnifeNut 9 месяцев назад
I've climbed Armatron (the climb Magnus and Alex climbed) twice now and both times I used it as an "introduction to long multi-pitch trad" for my partners because of the ease of the climbing and gear placement (especially if they don't need to lead the crux pitch with the 20 feet of crack). I am not a 5.13+ climber, but never once was I even remotely worried about falling. Even still, I would never want to free solo the route. I understand at some level that I physically could, but I can't imagin how the nerves and head game would change that for me. Long story short, that mental element puts free soloing firmly outside of my window of risk tolerance.
@CLANK...
@CLANK... 9 месяцев назад
If you trad climb a lot, you do free solo. Trad climbing almost always includes no fall zones. You're actually safer learning to confidently and carefully solo easy routes, down climb/reverse moves, keep composed and trust your ability. It will definitely make you a safer trad climber. You don't have to start with a 150m route though 😅
@TheArmyKnifeNut
@TheArmyKnifeNut 9 месяцев назад
@@CLANK... You're not wrong... a couple weekends ago I was 300 feet above the ground, 15-20 feet above my last piece of gear and 30 feet above a ledge... a fall at that point would have been fundamentally no different than a free soloing fall. And before anyone says that without the rope that I'd have fallen off the ledge, it was a realllllly big ledge (Looking Glass's Parking Lot.)
@CLANK...
@CLANK... 9 месяцев назад
@TheArmyKnifeNut there you go. Soloing competence is a key skill imo, yet so many new climbers (whose only exposure is probably this video or the freesolo movie), plam it off, yet are still up for trad.
@TheArmyKnifeNut
@TheArmyKnifeNut 9 месяцев назад
@@CLANK... good points all around. In that same line of thought, there are people who would consider a highball boulders but not free solo... long story short, climbing is and always will be a game of balancing risk mitigation and risk tolerance. And that is a very nuanced and personal balancing act that too many climbers who've grown up in sanitized and risk adverse gym environment lack the necessary context to speak intelligently on.
@dudemanismadcool
@dudemanismadcool 9 месяцев назад
Listen mate. I want you to get a good nights rest. Wake up early, have a cold shower and then head to that bitch without any ropes or climbing equipment other than your chalk and climbing shoes. I want you to free solo that bitch.
@boogaloo4640
@boogaloo4640 9 месяцев назад
Could have done with this interview being way longer. Given all the criticism that Alex got for 'peer pressuring' Magnus into the climb, it was interesting that, while acknowledging that Alex talked him into it, Magnus took full responsibility for his decision to actually do it. This was the first time I'd heard about them having to stop filming & it looked as though Magnus was very stressed even just talking about that part.
@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 9 месяцев назад
90 minute full interview with Magnus drops on the podcast this week! Thanks for watching / listening.
@AntonAdelson
@AntonAdelson 9 месяцев назад
I can't help but think about sexual harassment during the whole thing. Honestly, I don't think Alex did anything wrong. Magnus is an adult and Alex is actually very cool for respecting that and being a good enough friend to push Magnus for an awesome experience. Which is why I can't stop imagining Alex, or me, convincing a woman like that to have an affair with me. Maybe she's not sure at first, maybe a bit scared. But what if I am confident that it'll be fun and useful for both of us like Alex was confident? The dilemma is whether to respect adult women and to trust them to not make decisions they don't want but I've seen too many times cases were a woman was persuaded to have a relationship only later to regret it and blame the guy for harassment. And, Magnus is sooo bomber for not giving in and starting drama with Alex just for infamy! He easily could've suggested Alex was too pushy!
@47s18
@47s18 9 месяцев назад
@thestruggleclimbingshow Hey, looking forward to watch full thing. When we can expect that? Can't wait! xD
@ejl74
@ejl74 9 месяцев назад
Adults making adult like decisions. Life is awesome!
@alienz4254
@alienz4254 9 месяцев назад
@@AntonAdelson this is like seeing a cloud in the sky that reminds you of adolf hitler and how much you want to genocide the J***. Bruh it wasn’t the cloud, it’s just you. It’s not Alex, it’s you. You’re the one thinking about sexually harassing women, nobody else was talking or thinking about that. Delete your comment seriously
@ejl74
@ejl74 9 месяцев назад
I get so stressed every time I’ve watched that video. Magnus is a total stud for climbing solo w Alex.
@Tatsuota
@Tatsuota 4 месяца назад
The zoomed out shot of alex and magnus on the wall is just awesome. They both look so casual and calm. Just two dudes chilling on a wall
@Savvas1640
@Savvas1640 4 месяца назад
I need a chalk bag just to watch this video
@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 4 месяца назад
😅
@chris_devlog
@chris_devlog 9 месяцев назад
I remember the first time watching that video I was so stressed. Cool to hear about him asking Alex to stop filming
@sudstahgaming
@sudstahgaming 9 месяцев назад
Alexx honnold is just one of those rare guys were it is obvious that he just thinks differently to everyone else, also shows me all climbers are nutters.
@csab7218
@csab7218 5 месяцев назад
his amygdala is not firing, it does not pass on fear signals to the hypothalamus, there are articles about his brain
@billbillson5082
@billbillson5082 2 месяца назад
He’s an extremely selfish dude lol, that has no care for his life and for anyone else’s. That’s all well and good, and he is an amazing climber. Some people have extremely lifeless qualities, and they can become really good at some things, but in the end it seems sort’ve selfish and narcissitic.
@lws9417
@lws9417 3 месяца назад
The fact that he managed to free solo that after doing all that marine training the flights and long drives show you what kinda beast magnas is
@yungthunder2681
@yungthunder2681 9 месяцев назад
Most people on the internet seem to be vlimbers who hate scrambling, but for those of us who are scramblers and not interetsed in ropes, I just want to say thank you to anyone beinf civil in these comments
@daphnesuarez5924
@daphnesuarez5924 4 месяца назад
I was absolutely terrified for Magnus as I watched this. I mean even though I knew that this video had a good ending, that meant nothing to me. Talk about pushing yourself beyond your limits & then going farther than that, this has to be the 2nd most heart stopping video next to Free Solo I've ever watched!
@Michael-hb8nq
@Michael-hb8nq 3 месяца назад
Alex could get a job escorting people to the grim reaper , “no no , don’t worry , it will be fine , he’s super chill”.
@ooolol
@ooolol 9 месяцев назад
I was freaking out watching that video coz Magnus seemed so stressed, my heart kept pounding like crazy untill they reached the summit. Though in Alex's defense I would say that he knew and understood how good a Climber Magnus is and that it would be a cakewalk for him, which Magnus himself acknowledges here that there was no chance he would fall off unless he really freaked out.
@whatilearnttoday5295
@whatilearnttoday5295 8 месяцев назад
Alex has no perspective on his own abilities let alone those of others. He's a fall waiting to happen. He takes risks and gets lucky all the time.
@badfrostbyte6171
@badfrostbyte6171 8 месяцев назад
@@whatilearnttoday5295you can’t get “lucky” at his skill level. Absolutely zero room for getting “lucky”.
@whatilearnttoday5295
@whatilearnttoday5295 8 месяцев назад
@@badfrostbyte6171 He's been lucky more than a few times you can bet on this.
@watching7384
@watching7384 5 месяцев назад
​​@@badfrostbyte6171he absolutely can get lucky and there is absolutely room for luck in every single solo he does and you can read how unprepared he was for free solos he did not only on rock but on modern buildings
@billbillson5082
@billbillson5082 2 месяца назад
@@badfrostbyte6171he’s a shallow and selfish dude, able to get to where he is because he’s an incredibly good climber but also because he does not care about his life or the lives of others. We’ve had people like that in history, they do some interesting things, but that isn’t something i would be impressed by or emulate.
@IronJohn755
@IronJohn755 9 месяцев назад
That route would (I imagine) be an easy flash for the majority of your listeners - with a rope. Taking away that security put him in a position where he's second guessing his decisions, freaked out by the exposure, etc. One brain fart and it's over. I would never free solo, but even for an elite climber it seems insane to free solo something you haven't climbed already and/or where there's any risk of breaking holds.
@boogaloo4640
@boogaloo4640 9 месяцев назад
Yeah. A few months later, Magnus pretty much danced his way up the Verzasca Dam, which is roughly the same height as Armatron & more technically difficult. But he had a rope
@IronJohn755
@IronJohn755 9 месяцев назад
@@boogaloo4640 These two routes aren't even close. The dam was 8a (5.13b in US). Armatron is a 5.9- according to Mountain Project. I haven't climbed at Red Rocks, and grades can be wildly different depending on areas/ages/styles, but it looks appropriately graded (ie maybe an easy-moderate 5.10 in a gym). For a decent climber (and Magnus is far beyond decent) it's a warm up. But if you had never touched the surface of the rock, or ran into a style you were uncomfortable with (cracks) there's always a risk. The first 2-pitch route I climbed was only 5.7 but was a crack, which I had never attempted. It turned out to be pretty easy once I got a feeling for it, but it was unfamiliar enough that I would have died of fear if I had to free solo it.
@ThatLaggyNoob
@ThatLaggyNoob 9 месяцев назад
A few weeks back I attempted my first big wall in Squamish. Previously me and my climbing partner had onsighted into the low 5.12s sport climbing, had done a few short multipitches and figured we'd kinda just walk up a 16 pitch 5.10 (stairway to heaven) and it'd be a fun day. Not even close! We underestimated it super hard. Even on a rope it felt very scary with big runouts on unfamiliar friction-based slab hundreds of meters up. We fell many times due to mistaken routefinding, an unfamiliar style and just general fatigue. Scraped and bloodied we decided against the final pitches when it got dark after having started early in the morning and bailed. Alex Honnold would've considered it a warmup and been done in like half an hour. I didn't fully realize how insane his solos were until attempting a big wall myself, to just onsight that sort of thing free solo seems crazy
@Doctor_Yuri
@Doctor_Yuri 9 месяцев назад
Red Rock is one of the softest and easiest places to climb in the US. Armatron is pretty much a pure face climb and extremely popular so there is no choss on it. Its basically the perfect climb to do this, and I'm sure why Alex chose it. You would not just try your luck on Epinephrine also 5.9 which is a more trad style climb (chimney climbing).
@IronJohn755
@IronJohn755 9 месяцев назад
@@ThatLaggyNoob Wow, good on you for trying. Yeah, I've only flashed in the low 5.11s outdoors (at Red River Gorge & Horseshoe Canyon, which are both sandstone sport areas). I'd love to try a big wall eventually (or at least something more than a couple pitches) but it sounds way different and much harder even just due to the texture and how big rocks are structured compared to carved canyons.
@robertobreve8623
@robertobreve8623 9 месяцев назад
Happens to me when I climb easy routes, I expect them to be easy but when I encounter something not so easy my expectations fall and I freak out. Also it’s easy to get confused and take another direction.
@johnnyd.j.6068
@johnnyd.j.6068 9 месяцев назад
Magnus explains here what Alex did wrong in the situation -- not informing him of various sections/lack of chalk. Alex did not "peer pressure" Magnus, and it's fine that he had to convince Magnus into it. However, you never want to look back on a scrambling/soloing experience and feel any luck or unexpected difficulty in completing the route (like you got away with one), and it seems Magnus being vulnerable here has a bit of that feeling. We don't need to point fingers here, but a larger point could have been made to fully study and respect all routes below your level when scrambling/soloing. Will be interesting to see if Alex is in any more soloing videos for some time
@josh-kf2rd
@josh-kf2rd 9 месяцев назад
I didn't get the impression that Magnus felt he "got away with one". Sounds like it was a very technically basic route for him. Also, they said there is usually chalk all over that route but that there wasn't that day, unusually. It wasn't because Alex didn't communicate what to expect.
@johnnyd.j.6068
@johnnyd.j.6068 9 месяцев назад
@@josh-kf2rd just rewatch 6:45-9:30. Magnus is literally reliving a traumatic experience in this interview and you can see it on his face. Alex would never have taken him on the solo if he knew Magnus would get stressed at multiple points. And why did Magnus get stressed at multiple points? Because of Alex’s lack of foresight about various sections and the lack of chalk (not simply because of the exposure). For Magnus to say (@ 8:30) that he began to doubt Alex as a soloing guide in that moment speaks volumes
@whatilearnttoday5295
@whatilearnttoday5295 8 месяцев назад
Alex definitely peer pressured Magnus, just he has very little self-awareness about risk and his broken relationship with it.
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
At 8:01 you can hear he's not comfortable at all and if there was a worse bit later on that wasn't filmed, that's not a comfortable climb. That was the bit in the original video that really cut through as well. It's one thing panicking watching the whole thing, but when you hear the guy who's been climbing his whole life sound that way, it's serious.
@nobytes2
@nobytes2 8 месяцев назад
After watching what Alex has done we all know he's not on the same level as a normal human being in the fear scale. Magnus shouldn't even showed up on site, no one put a gun to him. If you don't want to play with your life just say no, they're all adults.
@the_Wolf_directly
@the_Wolf_directly 3 месяца назад
A couple things I thought Alex handled badly: 1. He said there were no cracks on the route, there were in fact 2 cracks. 2. He said there would be lots of chalk, there was not much chalk at all. 3. He clearly didn't remember the route as well as he thought he did. 4. He at one point climbed way ahead of Magnus leaving him behind and went all the way up to a ledge and kept filming at a critical stage in the climb when Magnus was clearly struggling. He should have stayed close to him to advise him on holds and keep him calm throughout. At the end of the day it was Magnus choice to do the climb, but he made that decision based on information presented by Alex which was not always accurate. That said, that is partly what made it such an epic and dramatic video. Amazing content, but part of why it was so amazing was the fear the viewer has for Magnus life. Kind of uncool lol
@Doctor_Yuri
@Doctor_Yuri 9 месяцев назад
I'm glad this was finally talked about openly. Armatron is an easy route, and to anyone thats climbed it knows that you spend more time placing nuts on that glorious chunky brown sections than climbing sometimes! People are way too quick to project their own fears onto him or their own unrelated experiences, even though most of us might as well be crawling while Magnus is an olympic sprinter in this sport. I also hope it introduces a broader conversation about solo climbing in general, which is far more common in trad and alpine climbing than many casual climbers believe. If you spend enough time in the mountains you will end up in sections were falling means dying, and your level of comfort with that increases hopefully over time. For a mere mortal that is usually 4th class or 5.2 climbing, but considering someone who climbs 5.15 that level of acceptance is wider.
@bobithpopit3193
@bobithpopit3193 8 месяцев назад
I think you're downplaying the main criticism that people are placing on Alex. You're right that some people are projecting their own fears, but a lot of people in here have made some very valid arguments. The main one I see and agree on, is the fact that Magnus was persuaded based on false premises of there being zero cracks and the mountain being very chalky. Magnus literally said he isn't very skilled at cracks and was definitely a large factor in being hesitant to climb. Turns out that there was a crack section on the climb, which Magnus became visibly stressed at raising the stakes and the danger for his life. For example someone else here mentioned the issue that this amount of stress could cause, so much as one could forget their own technique. Magnus literally had to tell Alex to put down the camera to help guide him through that segment. Then at 8:30 Magnus even said he started to lose his trust in Alex... Bottom line is Alex should have done a better job at evaluating the route so that Magnus would have had the best information to make an informed decision to put his life at risk climbing free-solo.
@Doctor_Yuri
@Doctor_Yuri 8 месяцев назад
@@bobithpopit3193 I’ve climbed the route and it’s quite popular. That section isn’t a crack climb, your simply pulling on pockets inside a crack. You don’t hand jam, fist jam, foot jam, finger lock, ring lock or arm bar a single move on the climb.
@bobithpopit3193
@bobithpopit3193 8 месяцев назад
@@Doctor_Yuri I don’t know why your personal anecdotal experience of the climb takes precedent over the experience that Magnus had and the emotions he displayed before and after the climb. Did you free solo that route?
@Doctor_Yuri
@Doctor_Yuri 8 месяцев назад
@@bobithpopit3193 it’s not anecdotal, I’m literally describing the route. The personal part is whether I though it was easy or not, which is irrelevant. It’s not a crack climbing section, Magnus just freaked out because he simply saw a crack and assumed that. I don’t blame him, I’m sure that was scary but it was simply nerves not reality. I encourage you to do the route yourself, it’s super fun. Link it with Myster Z for a full day
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Bob yet your trying speak for Magnus? There is a difference between being uncomfortable with crack climbing to the point of getting stressed, but can still do one at this level and actually being able not to do it and falling off. Alex literally took that into account if you watched his interview on this. He knew nothing here would be too tough for Magnus and Magnus himself said it. It was literally more about nerves than the cracks itself. Original comment is right. Most of this comment (that are not climbers funny enough) section is just projecting their own fears and downplaying that Alex actually gave Magnus a choice. People acting like Magnus is a kid that doesn’t understand anything while RU-vid commenter that prob never climbed a gym wall before has a more in depth analysis on why he knows about this then Magnus himself. “He didn’t get 100% accurate info on the climb”. Well no shit. There is always things you have outside your control with or without a rope. This was still within the realm of doable. Magnus even said with a rope he would have been fine with this,
@Mrwhomeyou
@Mrwhomeyou 9 месяцев назад
I think deep down there is a part of us that is excited about soloing, mixed in with a lot of fear lol
@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 9 месяцев назад
@deeznuts-je6dd
@deeznuts-je6dd 5 месяцев назад
Yes nice finally realistic thing has been said
@salarrezaei7492
@salarrezaei7492 9 месяцев назад
Magnus midtbø inspire me to start climbing and i alway greatful to him 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@felathar1985
@felathar1985 5 месяцев назад
I started climbing a year ago because of Magnus and I'd never be able to repay what he did for me. It literaly changed my life.
@the_zenclimber
@the_zenclimber 9 месяцев назад
We use a rope to avoid accidents in and out of our control. I’m sure the route is bomber.. but what if a climbing party above them accidentally dropped a bottle or a small backpack? Anything out of your control can have huge consequences if you free solo. I’ve encountered snakes in a route, huge spiders, loose rock, have been hit by ropes of people rappelling, I’ve even had to avoid getting hit by a ropebag. That’s why I don’t free solo.
@paulmphoto
@paulmphoto 9 месяцев назад
Not to mention scorpions! Nice to hear a reasonable point of view.
@andrewhurstcars
@andrewhurstcars 8 месяцев назад
Quite. What happens if one handhold fails whilst the other hand is off the wall, that’s it.
@Nickcurry123
@Nickcurry123 8 месяцев назад
are spiders common on longer routes like this?
@agl9591
@agl9591 5 месяцев назад
You, me, almost everyone 😂
@deeznuts-je6dd
@deeznuts-je6dd 5 месяцев назад
Thx for your opinion but some people do it and let them
@FreddyKrugerGloves
@FreddyKrugerGloves 9 месяцев назад
The video is INSANE 🥶 so intense 😭
@riksstaden4927
@riksstaden4927 9 месяцев назад
That video stems from: -Alex lack of social skills and really falling in love with the idea of doing another free solo with Magnus. -Magnus being a people pleaser and hating to say no. It seemed like Magnus said no 10 times and yes 1 time. I do agree with the comments saying he might have gotten ptsd from that day.
@yoddeb
@yoddeb 8 месяцев назад
Agree. Insane.
@JoeNoSay
@JoeNoSay 7 месяцев назад
At the end of the day Magnus was very proud that he did it, has no regrets, and really enjoyed the once in a lifetime experience. We are on this earth one time and at some point or another in our short lives a friend or family member has convinced us to go outside of our comfort zone and we are infinitly better better and more resilient because of it. He knows the ultimate decision was his and I think if you ask him he would agree.
@riksstaden4927
@riksstaden4927 7 месяцев назад
@@JoeNoSay I'm don't think I agree with any of this, except maybe for the last half of the last sentence.
@JoeNoSay
@JoeNoSay 7 месяцев назад
thats fine you are able to believe whatever you like; even if its wrong. @@riksstaden4927
@billtalent1
@billtalent1 7 месяцев назад
that is some crazy parasocial shit. you don't know somebody that you watch on youtube.
@garycarter6773
@garycarter6773 Месяц назад
You did fantastic Magnus!!! I've watched your video several times and I'm so impressed. FYI I'm not a climber, but I really respect what you people do. ♡♡ I've also watched Free Solo several and it's scary as hell and awe inspiring at the same time.
@kmdsubs3148
@kmdsubs3148 9 месяцев назад
I've watched this video a couple of times ... It really was fascinating and entertaining.
@radosawkapuscinski2808
@radosawkapuscinski2808 9 месяцев назад
Isn't it very rare to solo flash? I thought climbers usually practice route with ropes, check holds, prepare route (remove loose debris).
@emgoodlife6681
@emgoodlife6681 9 месяцев назад
I think Alex solo flashes pretty often (so long as it is well below his limit), so he thought it would be okay to have Magnus do the same.
@vitkomusic6624
@vitkomusic6624 4 месяца назад
This video will sit in my head for long.
@purplemonkeyelephant
@purplemonkeyelephant 9 месяцев назад
Even though Magnus is a grown man and can make his own decisions, it still feels off when you see someone getting persuaded to risk their life for a video and looking stressed on a podcast talking about it. It was an amazing video, but ethically still feels off no matter what Magnus says
@234i9
@234i9 9 месяцев назад
Everytime he talks about it he's visibly stressed. Ofc he is gonna say it was his decision etc. and it was. But still, soloing isnt something you should "talk someone into" for a damn video. Or any reason really besides maybe saving your family or some s.
@TravisHi_YT
@TravisHi_YT 9 месяцев назад
I think this is a great learning video, don't let people talk you into risking your life for clicks. Magnus could have chosen to hike to the top.
@ExecutionSommaire
@ExecutionSommaire 9 месяцев назад
@@TravisHi_YT He should have brought at least minimal gear to secure himself quickly in case of a panic attack
@S0ulinth3machin3
@S0ulinth3machin3 9 месяцев назад
That's your subjective reality. There are many valid subjective realities and none of them are wrong, not even Alex Honnold's.
@Kimera92
@Kimera92 9 месяцев назад
@@S0ulinth3machin3 We all know that Magnus is a grown man and was his decision to climb it. Doesnt make it any less selfish an unsympathetic to actively and vehemently try to convince someone of doing something that undoubtedly will put their life in danger. I already felt that Alex had a socipathic way of thinking when I first watched his movie, but since then, watching a bunch of his interviews, videos and especially this story with Magnus... it made it even more clear to me. Makes it very hard to side with that guy
@maybememory1
@maybememory1 8 месяцев назад
Whatever luck Alex lives by, bless him 😂
@Skaane
@Skaane 9 месяцев назад
Great interview! Also really entertaining editing 👍🏻
@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 9 месяцев назад
Thanks so much! Full interview with Mag is hitting the podcast this week 💪
@Skaane
@Skaane 9 месяцев назад
@@thestruggleclimbingshow looking forward to it 👏🏻
@sean6387
@sean6387 9 месяцев назад
It seems that Magnus still feels affected by the experience. We've all seen novice climbers freeze or panic, and soloing a route when he was not 100% ready was perhaps more likely to lead to a catastrophe. Sports psychology talks about Catastrophe Theory and the sudden collapse of performance at a certain arousal level. To be honest, Alex was not qualified to judge whether Magnus would panic.
@T1ddlywinks
@T1ddlywinks 9 месяцев назад
Armchair psychology is a dead practice, get with the times.
@sean6387
@sean6387 9 месяцев назад
@@T1ddlywinks Seems you have very little real climbing experience and never had friends die soloing.
@Jesse_Carl
@Jesse_Carl 9 месяцев назад
​@@T1ddlywinksI am not a fan of armchair psychology, but it seems that Honnold is guilty of of that, not this random commenter. If the question on the table is "Is it possible that Magnus will panic and on his first time free soloing?", the burden of proof is on a person who answers no. Yes is the safe answer, so it is the one you must take if you don't have evidence in any direction. This is a life or death matter so if you want to say no, you had better have some good reason to say it. Honnold does not appear to have had any reason beyond "Magnus is a good climber, he'll be fine and won't panic". That is the irresponsible armchair psychology.
@Kimera92
@Kimera92 9 месяцев назад
@@Jesse_Carl exatcly
@dmitripogosian5084
@dmitripogosian5084 9 месяцев назад
Exactly, he could judge Magnus technical level to see enough of spare abilities, but not what will be his psychological state
@Harlem1mentality
@Harlem1mentality 9 месяцев назад
Alex is a menace 😂😂
@Matt_Wilson01
@Matt_Wilson01 6 месяцев назад
Complete menace, glad he had a kid and stopped free soloing
@billbillson5082
@billbillson5082 2 месяца назад
He’s just a shallow dude who has no value for his life and worse, no value for others.
@jessicahill442
@jessicahill442 9 месяцев назад
i do agreed with the comment regarding the unfairness of Honnold bringing Magnus out there. Magnus clearly looked super uncomfortable/stressed and then almost peer pressured into completing this free Soloing. Maybe i am wrong, but if something serious had happened i think a lot more attention would've been brought to that point. Either way respect to both climbers!
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
If Magnus had fallen the entire view of Alex would have changed on a dime.
@jessicahill442
@jessicahill442 7 месяцев назад
I agree!@@luckyspurs
@davepirtle9790
@davepirtle9790 6 месяцев назад
Anyone looking at this interaction with all the what ifs is just the fear that prevents many from doing many things. The discourse between Alex and magnus was fascinating to me. I guess I am confused by the negative reaction towards Alex. Comments about him being anti social personality disorder or narcissistic. The issue I have with that is two fold- unless you’re licensed to determine that you have no business speculating publicly about it and it’s borderline defamation. Two, it’s peoples own fears that generate these comments. The only person who can speak to what happened is Alex and magnus. I saw the video when it came out and ironically to magnus it was the mental part of the climb where he needed support from Alex. I also believe the climb really put into perspective how fragile life is. What people are hearing from Magnus seems like regret but I don’t think that’s it at all. It’s more oh shit I felt so out of control mentally . Alex is one of one. And nothing in his behavior to me says selfish. He donates one third of his income to his charity. Jesus Christ can you imagine what the world could be if every millionaire donated one third?
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Man the amount of Alex haters are wild here. You would think he kidnapped Magnus, pointed a gun at him to force him to free solo, and did everything he could to sabotage his climb with how these comments try to project how “bad” Alex was here.
@fluffytailme
@fluffytailme 4 месяца назад
It's one thing to risk your own life - and a completely different thing to risk someone's. The preparation in that case should be flawless - "let's hope Magnus won't die today" just doesn't cut it. And as we can see from both this and Alex's interview, he made at least two important mistakes - with the chalk and with the crack, in both cases misinforming Magnus. Alex's preparation for this climb was thus anything but flawless - and I don't see him publicly admitting that. Also, can't help wonder - if instead of Magnus it would be Alex's own son or his brother, would his attitude towards this preparation still be so carefree?
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
I can tell you have zero clue about Alex if you actually thought he said “let’s hope Magnhs won’t die today” was remotely mean spirited. If you actually watched the video and the other follow-ups Magnus literally said overall he calmed/helped him out for being there for his upbeat calm attitude. Also no Alex didn’t “risk Magnus life”. Magnus risked Magnus life. He is an adult and Magnus knows what Magnus is and isn’t capable of more then random YT commentator that likely never even climbed a gym wall before
@914Rocky
@914Rocky 9 месяцев назад
That was the scariest real video I’ve ever seen.
@i2eB6L
@i2eB6L 8 месяцев назад
i think i speak for everyone that watched that video.... my hands are so sweaty
@razzinijj5465
@razzinijj5465 9 месяцев назад
What shoes did Magnus use for this climb? I think I remember him telling it was a soft gym shoe?
@boogaloo4640
@boogaloo4640 9 месяцев назад
Scarpa Veloce, I think. Happy to be corrected if wrong
@razzinijj5465
@razzinijj5465 9 месяцев назад
@@boogaloo4640 thanx.
@yeon723
@yeon723 5 месяцев назад
he seems kind of spooked by that experience
@thlee3
@thlee3 9 месяцев назад
alex is so considerate. i dont think he would have taken mag solo
@bishmayoung
@bishmayoung 9 месяцев назад
I just watched this first time yesterday.
@putrid.p
@putrid.p 6 месяцев назад
Should your first significant free climb experience ever be a route you've not done before?
@Bulsebub
@Bulsebub Месяц назад
I am going to say it... Alex mentioned that he got nobody to free climb with because they are either dead or retired. Well it seems that he has no care for his own life safety and neither for the ones he climbs with.
@BravoNineThreeTwo
@BravoNineThreeTwo 9 месяцев назад
I don't buy that Alex was 'reckless' per se. I can't imagine that he would entertain such a situation if he believed, even for a moment, that there was even a 0.0001% chance of anything other than a happy ending. That said, I think forgetting what it's like to be a beginner is pretty common amongst people at the top of their game. In this case, despite their visual similarities, he and Magnus are athletes in fundamentally different sports.
@whatilearnttoday5295
@whatilearnttoday5295 8 месяцев назад
He entertains such situations regularly. He will fall eventually. Of course there was a greater than 0.0001% risk.
@dinok7630
@dinok7630 8 месяцев назад
There was surely greater risk hahahhaha. People are delusional.
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
You're talking about a man who described his climbing Burj Khalifa without ropes as "you do the same V4 boulder problem, 112 times in a row".
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Alex literally said in the actual video and the followup interview that he wouldn’t even attempt to do this to someone if he wasn’t 100% confident that they can free solo it. Magnus himself even said this course wouldn’t give him issues at all even when you factor the lack of chalk or the surprise cracks. Magnus is that level of a climber that he wouldn’t fail from that. The main obstacle wasn’t lack of chalk or cracks, but the nerves that come from free solo. That was where Alex comes in: He literally calmed the vibe of the climb with his casual attitude. He didn’t panic or yell randomly. He acted upbeat so Magnus can be upbeat as possible. Magnus GF reaction even supported this that Alex was the perfect climb buddy to calm you down. Magnus got understandabky nervous, but that was all it was in the end. Magnus pushed passed that and showcased why he is a great climber.
@Jesse_Carl
@Jesse_Carl 9 месяцев назад
I think it was extremely irresponsible of Alex to invite Magnus to free solo on video. If someone wants to free solo, I think it is completely acceptable for them to take that risk, but I don't think its right for a free soloer to even hint to anyone else that they should join in the activity. The decision to risk your life is not one that should ever be made under any amount of pressure. I trust that Magnus is an adult who made his own decision. However, he certainly would not have decided to do it if Alex hadn't invited him and then kept assuring him it would be fine. I don't think Honnold was being malicious or knowingly irresponsible, it just seems that his perception of acceptable risks is extremely warped. That is ok, so long as he only takes on those risks himself, but I hope he (and other soloers) will be more careful about influencing other people's decisions.
@mysteriousdovesen
@mysteriousdovesen 9 месяцев назад
Well, Magnus is top-tier climber and it changes everything. It would be irresponsible for Alex to invite an average climber, but that's not the case. As Magnus said, at the end of the day he was the one who made the choice. He was fully conscious of the risks he would take, he knows perfectly his weaknesses.
@TravisHi_YT
@TravisHi_YT 9 месяцев назад
Ultimately Magnus made the choice to free solo. No one could convince me to risk my life like that, especially if I knew as much as Magnus did about the task. Magnus could have chose to simply hike to the top, which they talked about a lot, it still would have been a great video regardless.
@ZeLoShady
@ZeLoShady 9 месяцев назад
I think it was fine. Sometimes someone needs a little push to do something extraordinary that they otherwise wouldn't have done. Like Magnus said in the video, he has free solo'd with Alex before and has climbed for 25 years. It seems like Alex's perception of risk was spot on in the video. He said Magnus would be fine, might get a little bit stressed at points but will ultimately be able to handle things just fine. That's exactly what happened. These guys also know that if Magnus wants to back out, they can call a rescue in or probably borrow gear from the other climbers in the area. Magnus never had to keep going just because he started.
@JoshuaTootell
@JoshuaTootell 9 месяцев назад
I feel the same way about any high risk activity. Regardless of how good somebody is at something, I'm not going to pressure them into adding risk they didn't ask for. If someone asks me about motorcycle riding/racing, I'll give them guidance, but I'm not going to try and talk someone into it.
@thegoldenthread-greatstori6795
@thegoldenthread-greatstori6795 9 месяцев назад
In the video he says he can't wait to bring his kid free soloing with him when he's ready lol.. at least this shows its not malicious intent more just warped as you say
@realone653
@realone653 9 месяцев назад
I was nervous the whole time watching the video
@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 9 месяцев назад
Me too
@FT4Freedom
@FT4Freedom 8 месяцев назад
Any criticism of Alex and Magnus is basically ridiculous. It was excellent coaching. Both guys are humble and professional.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Alex and Magnus: “It was fun. Didn’t regret this. Was my choice. I’m a grown man” Magnus mob on comments: “WTF Alex is LITERALLY trying to KILL him!”!
@cous
@cous 9 месяцев назад
It’s almost a statistical certainty that Alex or his friends will be involved in a serious accident if they keep soloing. It is not for me to judge whether that makes it the wrong decision or not
@andrewhurstcars
@andrewhurstcars 8 месяцев назад
Yup, saw that with Ueli Steck who I had the good fortune of meeting. They no longer feel any risk, and just carry on. One issue out of their control, like a piece of rock breaking, and that’s it.
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
If you watch the original video, Alex spends a lot of the start talking about the friends he used to do this with that aren't about anymore. Which can't have been reassuring.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
They didn’t all die. Lot of climbers just move on either because of family, job, they move, etc.
@FT4Freedom
@FT4Freedom 8 месяцев назад
Best climb ever. A special moment in history. Next up. Free climbing trees 🌳.
@TheWolfalpino
@TheWolfalpino 7 месяцев назад
But anyway guys, the gym is the gym, camera or not. There is a huge difference, at least for me, in climbing indoor and outdoor
@TheJensPeeters
@TheJensPeeters 9 месяцев назад
I don't intend on watching the whole video. The anxiousness in his voice after the fact is enough for me to think this was an experience he regrets
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
Yeah, the video where he watched it with his girlfriend (who had no idea he was going to do it) is even worse. It's like she doesn't know whether to be bemused by Alex, angry at him, or grateful for him making sure Magnus got up fine.
@umungus518
@umungus518 5 месяцев назад
At least you admit that youre not informed and not willing to listen to the guy who did actually did it and how he feels yet totally comfortable to pass judgment on what you dont know/understand👍
@umungus518
@umungus518 5 месяцев назад
5:08 if you want to actually educate yourself instead of passing judgment based on ignorance
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
He literally said after the climb and after that he didn’t regret it. The climb was still within his abilities he was just understandably nervous. Pretty sure Magnus knows more about what Magnus regrets then random armchair YT mental analysis that likely never climbed before
@arnesl929
@arnesl929 9 месяцев назад
Ok, not sure if this was reassuring.
@tyraster8603
@tyraster8603 5 месяцев назад
Of course Magnus would be defending Alex and he might not have - literally- forced Magnus into this but there was definitely peer pressure involved and that's undeniable just based on Magnus's behaviour, expressions and body language throughout the whole video. I have respect for Alex's achievements but he's an adrenaline junkie - everyone who plays with their lives in pursuit of thrill is one - and you should never let these people influence you if you yourself don't have this gene in you.
@SMHman666
@SMHman666 5 месяцев назад
@tyraster. I used to climb but couldn't bring myself to free solo. I don't have the head for it. I got the same vibe as you regarding Alex's nudge towards Magnus doing it.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Or you know…Magnus doesn’t agree with the YT comment mob that act like they know Magnus more then Magnus himself…?
@Asif24960
@Asif24960 7 месяцев назад
I personally would free solo Mount Everest. I’ve never climbed before but it doesn’t look difficult and I’m an athlete
@BrandonWestfall
@BrandonWestfall 3 месяца назад
"Let's just hope we don't kill Magnus."
@Glenners
@Glenners 9 месяцев назад
Watching Alex talk Magnus into free soloing is like watching some dude try to convince his gf to do butt stuff, but much more successfully!
@thestruggleclimbingshow
@thestruggleclimbingshow 9 месяцев назад
😂
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
I don't even like watching Pete Whittaker and Tom Randall climb stuff that's 30 metres high in the Lake District, without ropes. And they've done them all dozens of times.
@markmtbrider
@markmtbrider 6 месяцев назад
I would never do that , but if i had to , I would want Alex guideing and coaching me.
@mitch6962
@mitch6962 3 месяца назад
Are you sure? You'd be scared to death and Alex would say "cool, keep going".
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Uh yes? If I was gonna free solo I would have the best free solo person to guide me. Even Magnus literally said he helped him out.
@IAmTheHound
@IAmTheHound Месяц назад
Alex, while having a conversation where he's trying to convince Magnus to free solo: "Let's just hope we don't kill Magnus! 😬"
@SeanRom6622
@SeanRom6622 3 месяца назад
I climbed into bed yesterday a d it was a complete solo climb. I hate being single 😮
@Kimera92
@Kimera92 9 месяцев назад
We all know that Magnus is a grown man and was his decision to climb it. Doesnt make it any less selfish an unsympathetic to actively and vehemently try to convince someone of doing something that undoubtedly will put their life in danger. I already felt that Alex had a socipathic way of thinking when I first watched his movie, but since then, watching a bunch of his interviews, videos and especially this story with Magnus... it made it even more clear to me. Makes it very hard to side with that guy
@xXxBladeStormxXx
@xXxBladeStormxXx 8 месяцев назад
I think he's just wired differently. He doesn't sense fear like the rest of us do so he probably doesn't understand this kind of a feeling.
@Kimera92
@Kimera92 8 месяцев назад
@xXxBladeStormxXx I agree, and that's basically being a sociopath in a nutshell. Not feeling emotions the way others do and being incapable of sympathizing with the emotions of others. Doesn't make him any less sketchy as a climbing partner.
@dinok7630
@dinok7630 8 месяцев назад
"wired differently" yeah bro thats what sociopaths are 😭😭😭
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
You must have watched a completely different video if you actually think Alex remotely “manipulated” Magnus (especially when Magnus in this literal video said everything was his decision and not once left it to Alex.). Alex didn’t force him to free solo. He gave it as an option. If Magnus said “With all due respect Alex, I just can’t. I got a sunburn and wrestled Marines earlier. Let us just have a relaxing hike like you said.” then that would have been fine. Alex was 100% confidant Magnus could do it (Magnus himself said the course was well within his ability even if there were a couple tricky parts.), but he doesn’t take people to free solo against their will.
@blymwq123
@blymwq123 Месяц назад
When I saw that video I didn't know who Magnus was. He's just looks like an average Joe off the street. Then when he climbed I was thinking "hey stop it you're gonna fall and die". Well, I know a lot more now.
@bjovers1
@bjovers1 4 месяца назад
Peer pressure kills
@ASSamiYT
@ASSamiYT 9 месяцев назад
Can't Imagine Alex mind.
@johanbodak
@johanbodak 8 месяцев назад
why is he trying to convince people to risk their life doing something so pointless? it’s not worth it. free soloing is stupid and should not be attempted by anyone with a will to live. not saying it should be outlawed, but if you’re that obsessed with climbing, you got some issues. And you should listen to the sane people that tell you not to do it.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
By that logic Magnus shouldn’t climb mountains period. There is always risk even with a rope. Another person with an already established bias bleeding into his comment. Hint: They wouldn’t be climbing big rocks period if they want to live the safest life possible.
@UncleRicoOSU
@UncleRicoOSU 5 месяцев назад
The problem is these guys worship Alex. They will always defend his mental gymnastics and crazy justifications. The truth starts to slip out a bit here 7:35
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
How is that any different then all these people that worship Magnus to the point that they act like they know about Magnus’s well being more then Magnus himself…? End of the day Magnus chose at his own free will to video them free soloing then having a relaxing hike. That is not disputable.
@WalkerHK
@WalkerHK 9 месяцев назад
Is it just me, or does Magnus actually seem like he has a bit of PTSD from the experience?
@hellobillyjacks
@hellobillyjacks 9 месяцев назад
100%. For example, 8:50 - 9:30 when he's talking about "camera off" moment he becomes visibly distressed, especially towards the end where his breath shallows and his mouth dries....he goes back to that moment, you can see it in his eyes, and I don't think it's a particularly fond memory. We all love you Magnus, been following you for years, I'm happy everything is ok, but we were all scared with you! I think this whole ordeal needs to be put to bed and Magnus given time to make peace with it and move on in his own way.
@chrisbrowne5036
@chrisbrowne5036 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, why would someone talk you into doing something like this? He could literally have fallen to his death. That's not cool, man.
@jesterpkl
@jesterpkl 9 месяцев назад
@@chrisbrowne5036 usually in this kind of extreme sport, when someone say they don't feel like doing it, that's it.. doesn't matter whether you think the person is up for it or not, he should have respected that decision, so.. this dude is really not cool at all.
@whatilearnttoday5295
@whatilearnttoday5295 8 месяцев назад
@@jesterpklAlex has no real sense of the risks. He does the things he does because his brain doesn't work that way.
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
He genuinely looked more freaked out than Marte in the video where he watched it with her.
@jamesrich8463
@jamesrich8463 8 месяцев назад
I think he was way nervous in spots. It really looks like a fun adventure though if you can do it.
@maxuli21
@maxuli21 5 месяцев назад
So Alex is that friend that mom hated.
@dave_h_8742
@dave_h_8742 8 месяцев назад
Did anyone else think that the two climbers below with ropes were there just in case Magnus did loose it, or am i flying kites here ?
@panimbryk
@panimbryk 9 месяцев назад
wow
@99cya
@99cya 5 месяцев назад
in my opinion someone doing free solo has no business talking someone else into it. i mean thats a decision you have to make totally for yourself without any external influence. i think this free solo with video was a mistake. quite thrilling entertainment but a mistake. it should not be done doing it like this.
@King_krobit
@King_krobit 3 месяца назад
Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all stink, next time keep it to yourself.
@King_krobit
@King_krobit 3 месяца назад
if you paid enough attention you’d see that Magnus had already free soloed with Alex before they filmed that video and Magnus even says he’s a grown man who makes his own decisions.
@King_krobit
@King_krobit 3 месяца назад
Opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one and they all stink, think about that next time before shoving yours in everyone’s face @99cya
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Oh joy another “I know what Magnus went thru then actual Magnus” type of comment lol. Just be honest that you have a huge anti Free solo bias and you let that bleed into your comment
@absoluteauto4
@absoluteauto4 8 месяцев назад
Peer pressure. I don't know I don't think Alex should have pushed it that far with Magnus. He obviously wasn't ready. He had no time to prepare mentally and he's never climbed there before.
@badfrostbyte6171
@badfrostbyte6171 8 месяцев назад
“He obviously wasn’t ready” you say as he successfully scaled the side of a cliff…
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Ah another armchair analysis that acts like he knows what Magnus went thru more than Magnus himself. The “It’s obvious…” is always a red herring that your about to say bullshit
@absoluteauto4
@absoluteauto4 2 месяца назад
@@mrharvy100 Magnus even said he was pressured into it and he wasn't ready to do it
@XAndrew88
@XAndrew88 8 месяцев назад
Why do my finger tips hurt when I see people do heights?
@diznutz5110
@diznutz5110 5 месяцев назад
Just remember that Steve Irwin thought he was invincible as well. He died rather unexpectedly, as it was expected that someday it would happen.
@xjudoflip7381
@xjudoflip7381 5 месяцев назад
"You know he never thought he would have a long life. He just always kind of had this sense that his life would be cut short." This is Terri Irwin talking about a conversation she had with Steve Irwin before he died. Steve never thought he was invincible.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
lol you have no idea about Steve Irwin
@jannis11
@jannis11 20 дней назад
NicE
@nickcoulter973
@nickcoulter973 9 месяцев назад
I actually really dislike that video. It has peer pressure, danger for the sake of views, and the general call for help/prideful death embrace that poisons a lot of climbing. The other stuff Magnus does is way more entertaining and makes climbing feel more inviting.
@knd4rkst4r
@knd4rkst4r 9 месяцев назад
That's an invalid viewpoint.
@John-nk3ej
@John-nk3ej 8 месяцев назад
​@@knd4rkst4rk, how? If you're gonna say something like that you should present an argument I'm a third party outsider random RU-vid account. I'm actually not even sure how I feel about it, my minds open. But you make yourself look more invalid for just saying that without any explanation.
@bb4evr
@bb4evr 9 месяцев назад
Dude has a headset on and is not even using the mic 😭
@colmwhateveryoulike3240
@colmwhateveryoulike3240 8 месяцев назад
I'd never do that even if I were in shape to. But I'd do it before I did potholing/cavediving...
@matthewsinclair507
@matthewsinclair507 9 месяцев назад
100% peer pressure. He's just defending Alex at this point.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
100% this YT commentator being armchair analysis that acts like they know more about how Magnus feels than Magnus himself. If what you said was remotely correct then why did Magnus literally say in this video that everything he did was his own decision like a grown adult? He was “peer pressured” because you said so? Then by that logic you got “peer pressured” to make that YT comment you just made to fit in with the other Magnus mob defenders. See how stupid that logic sounds.
@jonvon2044
@jonvon2044 7 месяцев назад
Alex gave him all the opportunities to not climb it and Magnus made his decision. Peer pressure can be a good thing and Alex is not “wrong” for doing so. These are grown men who are obviously capable of making their own decisions. This victim mentality has got to stop.
@vitkomusic6624
@vitkomusic6624 4 месяца назад
Well this was an achievement...
@2181337
@2181337 8 месяцев назад
It's so unresponsible talking someone else into free soloing. This completely changes my opinion on alex
@dinok7630
@dinok7630 8 месяцев назад
My first exposure to him was what an awesome guy, ever since then every video of him I see I dont like him. A lot of things about him seem off to me (ofc i dont know him, and no im not talking about climbing here). Pushing limits for sure and one of the best athletes in the free solo world, but my impresion is that I wouldnt like to share a tent with him.
@ramtin1459
@ramtin1459 7 месяцев назад
Not really, if you watched the video, Alex pointed out many times that this is his choice to follow through and everything falls into magnus, even in another video magnus made his girlfriend react to his free solo, even he stated that it was his choice alone. Again in the video, Alex stated he would NEVER take anyone free soloing if they don’t have 10-15 years of experience and climbed v15(I think, not too sure on how the grades work) even magnus said that the climb was very easy for him and there is no way he would fall to his death.
@eliczm
@eliczm 8 месяцев назад
All I can see watching this video is someone who befriended a charming psychopath talking in a dissociated state about a very real risk he took in the context of that friendship. I think the only reason this doesn't disturb more people is that statistically most haven't had someone with ASPD in their life. If Magnus had fallen to his death the conversation about "equal responsibility" and how far is too far to push somebody who is saying no would look so differently, and we'd be discussing Alex's level of culpability. The footage of the club is emotionally reminiscent of the scenes in Dahmer when the victim is first invited back to Jeffrey's place but very much still alive, they're only in the early stages of being a victim, but it's too late to leave. It's only different because we know how the ending from the beginning. Magnus would have never flashed a challenging free solo if it wasn't for Alex's coercion. Alex pulled out every trick in the book to get Magnus to do that climb -- lying, omission / withholding information, gaslighting, and the most important trick of all: to veil it with confidence and the exact "right" words, "respectfully" and "kindly". A psychopath I used to know often recited "the most effective way to manipulate somebody is if they can't sense you're doing it at all." He was a lifetime criminal, never faced any consequences. They're out there. Alex strikes me as one. "This is how you coach somebody into free soloing" is better viewed as an admission of manipulation. Watch 1:23 - 3:30 again. Magnus' big error is that he suppresses his true feelings and his body's intuitive knowing that the risk isn't really worth the risk; that there's something just not quite right for him going on. This isn't in his value system, but he did it anyway, instead of saying a more clear "no". If Magnus fell to his death, Alex likely would have felt maybe disappointed and inconvenienced, while most of us would never be the same, bereft and traumatized. Alex's unique lack of caring goes beyond not being able to experience typical human fear- to the point of not showing evidence of valuing life. No one who *actually* wants to embody the value of having a friend only say yes to the things they feel really good about would be so consistently committed to getting what they want in the way we see in Alex.
@eliczm
@eliczm 8 месяцев назад
*footage of the *climb*; apparently there are sentences I failed to proofread
@Lumi_nance
@Lumi_nance 8 месяцев назад
thank you for this well putted analysis
@An1MuS
@An1MuS Месяц назад
Alex has admitted in an interview basically all his gfs had personality disorders, and how they all would say he is a psychopath. I also remember another video where he's going through Twitter questions, and one of them asks a few things including whether he's a psychopath, and that part is the only one, out of all, he doesn't address. Another video where they tested his amigdala (which in normal people activates with fear) and his didn't. The theory of many people "oh he doesn't feel fear because he's prepared and has done it so many times!" is bullshit. His amigdala didn't lit up at all with standard testing images (eg. someone holding a knife onto another person, etc. Completely unrelated to climbing). In another event, he was asked about how he deals with other people's terror for his life, and he says it doesn't matter to him. As the audience gasps, he explains himself by saying that the emotion doesn't impact his climbing, only if it comes from othet experts, showing complete lack of empathy for the suffering of his loved ones. He is completely unmoved by others emotions. It's pretty clear he is one. Maybe he wasn't abused as a kid, so he's not abusive, but he definitely doesn't have any regard for other people's feelings. And the video with Magnus makes that pretty clear. Not his fault, it's just how he's been born most likely, but still, should be known. The thing with Magnus could have ended in a catastrophe. Who knows how his friends who died while climbing were also peer pressured. It's sad how many people don't see this. This is the type of thing that should be taught in schools.
@MrFredde9999
@MrFredde9999 7 месяцев назад
He wasn't pressured into it but I firmly disagree with both him and Alex on this activity. Free soloing is such bs, like driving without a seatbelt, putting your thrill above the value of your life for yourself and for others. I just hate it tbh
@largeshaftzac8027
@largeshaftzac8027 5 месяцев назад
It’s not really similar at all because ur only risking ur own life
@MrFredde9999
@MrFredde9999 5 месяцев назад
@@largeshaftzac8027 Similar to what? My driving example is also risking your own life and not others. Despite that I still think its wrong just as I think its wrong to commit suicide if it can be prevented. When I mentioned others I meant that people who care about the person will be greatly affected not to mention the disrespect toward the people that raised the person.
@largeshaftzac8027
@largeshaftzac8027 5 месяцев назад
@@MrFredde9999 driving without a seatbelt increases the risk of others getting hurt in a crash, therefore ur example isn’t analogous. Also I simply disagree that it’s wrong to kill itself if you want to but that’s not really relevant
@MrFredde9999
@MrFredde9999 5 месяцев назад
@@largeshaftzac8027 Driving alone without a seatbelt increase the risk of hurting others? Sounds weird but doesn't matter. I'm happy to debate why its still wrong to risk your own life if you want
@largeshaftzac8027
@largeshaftzac8027 5 месяцев назад
@@MrFredde9999 Kk Coolio, let me here what u think
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
Man even Magnus shut down Magnus fanboys keeping claiming that the evil Alex “peer pressured” him. Alex literally gave a choice and they could have just had a leisure hike instead, but Magnus as an adult man after seeing it + thinking with his skill level + Alex guiding him that it’s well doable. In the end Alex ended up being right: Magnus already had well over the climbing ability for this course and both Alex and Magnus himself knew he wouldn’t panic to the extent of doing something especially when Alex was pretty good at calming him with his upbeat casual attitude. Magnus only got stressful mainly because of the unknown element of the route having no chalk. That would obviously make Magnus stress understandably, but fall from it? Nah things would have to get way more wrong than that.
@joelb6605
@joelb6605 6 месяцев назад
Magnus is making some great content and fair play to him he’s probably on track to become a future Darwin awards winner much like Alex honnold.It’s all entertainment
@johnr5252
@johnr5252 Месяц назад
It’s one thing to do this on your own, but to encourage someone else to do it is incredibly irresponsible. Risk your own life, not someone else’s.
@rickyism1576
@rickyism1576 3 месяца назад
Alex is a psycho. Dude needs to be studied.
@smoozerish
@smoozerish 5 месяцев назад
Really reckless. Reckless by Alex just to get his kicks out of watching Magnus getting stressed. Alex really went down in my estimation after watching the video.
@drewmiddleton9715
@drewmiddleton9715 9 месяцев назад
i was a huge fan of Alex after seeing Free Solo but this video made me scared of him. talking him into it after he says no and lying multiple times. so sketchy
@youdeserveicecream
@youdeserveicecream 8 месяцев назад
So so true. Share your feelings. He seems like an egoist and even a psychopath
@user-kk2fb3dw8h
@user-kk2fb3dw8h 7 месяцев назад
He didn’t lie, he forgot about the crack because crack climbing isn’t a big deal to him. And he expected chalk on the walls but there weren’t any at that day, maybe it wasn’t getting climbed too often. I don’t think Alex lied on purpose
@youdeserveicecream
@youdeserveicecream 7 месяцев назад
@@user-kk2fb3dw8h I don’t know if he lied, but your version of the events sounds completely irresponsible and dangerous
@davepirtle9790
@davepirtle9790 6 месяцев назад
@@youdeserveicecreamI agree I have seen Alex in multiple videos and interviews and I don’t think he’s capable of lying. But plenty of others here are either telling outright lies or distorting what happened so bad it turns into a narrative that is false.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
lol you didn’t even watch the actual video if that was what you came across. He literally offered an alternative and what “lies”? This climb level overall was accurate to what Alex said as other people who climbed this said. Chalk going away likely to uncontrollable weather elements or a couple cracks in the climb doesn’t change this.
@BS-gj5ot
@BS-gj5ot 4 месяца назад
I like Alex, but thought this was not cool. You are "playing" with someone's life. More power to Alex if he wants to do this stuff, but to coerce someone else was kind of crappy.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
At what point did he “play” with Magnus in the video? He literally said they could have went hiking instead if Magnus wasn’t up for it. Alex also literally helped him thru the climb that Magnus and even his GF agreed with.
@blueskies133
@blueskies133 6 месяцев назад
Magnus, deep-down, probably thought he was at risk of falling and wanted to stop filming because of it. Most likely the thought of dying on camera was getting to him, so he needed a moment to chill out. Anyway, just guessing, wasn't there to see it.
@mrharvy100
@mrharvy100 2 месяца назад
…or he told him to put the camera away because he wanted to calmly get thru it like he literally said in the video. They had a ton of footage anyway where most of it didn’t get passed the editing. Again Magnus said multiple times there wasn’t a moment where he went “he couldn’t do this”.
@JOEARLOPO
@JOEARLOPO 6 месяцев назад
Lol Alex unintentionally ruined Magnus life 😂
@davidmitnick868
@davidmitnick868 29 дней назад
Honnold is wrong for this
@234i9
@234i9 9 месяцев назад
That was really fucked by Alex tbh. It was clear Magnus wasnt comfortable and only did it because it was a thing with Alex. Alex is used to accepting these risks, Magnus is not. Ofc, magnus is his own man and can say yes or no - but it was still f'ed up.
@TravisHi_YT
@TravisHi_YT 9 месяцев назад
Magnus literally said he'd been free climbing with Alex before.
@yewtewbstew547
@yewtewbstew547 9 месяцев назад
Either Magnus has agency and made the decision of his own accord as a grown man, or Alex controlled him into doing it. Only one of those things can be true, and Magnus himself said it was the former.
@luckyspurs
@luckyspurs 8 месяцев назад
Also, Magnus has always sounded like a guy that's into testing his physical ability, not danger. When you hear him talk about how easily he could have got into other sports, but just happened to get into this one.
@oa1021
@oa1021 8 месяцев назад
I get a very bad feeling from honnold regarding this
@alm5851
@alm5851 Месяц назад
Alex was wrong for this tbh
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