Mahoraga Vs Chainsaw Man | Is a Complete Stomp 

It really just depends on how you interpret Mahoraga's ability to adapt, if it's comparable to the adaptation of SCP 682 (no-limits adaptation) Chainsaw Man would need to finish him in a few minutes or less, otherwise Mahoraga would not only adapt to being cut by chainsaw as well as any other damage dealing abilities that said Chainsaw Man may have, but he would also match the speed and reaction time, and evolve an ability to kill the devil. If it's not comparable to that example, I'd say Chainsaw Man has enough strength/speed/intelligence to keep stalling until he figures out a way to effectively one-shot Mahoraga. But who knows, mabye I actually haven't watched either series and don't even know what I'm talking about Me when I wasted your time: >always bet on "I'm you"nah I'd adapt backshotsas the strongest fraud, Gege, fought the goat, "with this treasure I summon", he began to open his domain. "with this treasure I summon" shrunk back in fear as Gege said "Stand proud "with this treasure I summon", you are the honored one""Nah, I'd stick my skibidi ohio gyatt out for the rizzler, and his overwhelming intesity""Nah, I'd pray today" - Go/jo the backshotter"Stand pround Catchdog, the one who left it all behind and always bet on Hakari" >But at the end of the day, mabye the real Jujutsu kaisen was the Chainsaw Men we Jo-goated along the way?

Heres the problem with mahoraga's adaptation, if he adapts to being chainsawed its over. No amount of amps would be enough to overcome the adaptation and CSM would need to use a different method to attack (he adapted to the act of cutting when vsing sukuna not just cleave or dismantle, that's why sukuna was forced to use fire). But more likely than not that's not something maho can adapt to we've only seen him adapt to techniques so far (he didnt adapt to getting punched by a 120% gojo for example)

People trying to explain how denji wins with just chainsaws Y’all saying chainsaws>adaption ☠️

I really think denji wins this, Chainsawman literally blitzes through most characters and his ability to regen and erase is insane, not to mention his durability.

Also, I personally think it's important to separate the 2 mahoragas in the anime and manga, tho this is dependant on whether you think the 2 withstood similar DE. Manga maho very quickly started figured out thr technique before getting a DE to the face and adaptating. While anime maho was taking on WAY more punishment and still didn't adapt till he was in the middle of the DE. But anime maho also had alot of small quick time adaptations which provided him versatility, such as his gills or size change. It's just wierd and I think the difference matters in discussion.

I love Denji but he aint winning this.

The mid-ball for CSM is that with how Devils mechanics and their fear amps work, is that when a devil has no fear they are as weak as the concept they represent, like with the Chicken Devil itself saying its as weak as a chicken. Devils grow in size and power with fear and consuming the flesh of stronger devils. That also includes the includes the sun/star Devil that Pochita ate, wich resulted in the sky being devoid of stars and that in the calender in ch 71, there is no sunday in it. Meaning it was a star devil that was erased. The base form of devils is the their concept themselves, as seen with every devil like with the Chicken Devil being stated as chicken level. Fear amps allow Devils to grow massive, wich also should include the Star Devil as its mentioned in the same vain as Devils logically equal or above it in fear. The Gun DEvil even with 20% of its body is millions of times the mass of a normal gun. As the Gun Devil compeltely dwarfs trees that should be 10-20 meters tall when it stood still to shoot Makima. With pure size then Pochita would also have to far surpass FTL to even fight it, or the simple fact Primal Devils transcend even what the star Devil being named as representing "a star and its light that breaks childrens minds". With the sun/star being talked about easily being the sun itself, since its been conceptually erased and Makima says she only still knows of a few Concepts and their exact names slowly fading from her mind. The Gun Devils attack was able to hit Makima from 500km away in one seconds, making that a mach 1469+ feat at only 20%, making its actual speed then being mach 7295. Wich is far above the speed mid-balls for JJK, with this Gun Devil being a low-ball cuz its literally stated. The Gun Devil is shown with order of travel and time frames given in the manga to travel from Hawaii to Canada in 0.4 seconds, wich is a 5000km+ distance. Depending on where it lands that would make it mach 30000-80000, wich is a upto nearly a tenth of the speed of light. And thats only travel speed and doesnt include combat speed wich is way higher as showcased with other feats should scale way higher. Pochita traveled from Hell to the human realm door in the space of a short conversation, wich in recent chapters is shown that each door holds its own realms/space, with the human world door leading to a universe-sized realms. Wich means these realms can be upto human realm sized and there are innumerable doors so going trough each to reach just one door. The Darkness DEvil and otehr Primal dEvils were also able to travel from one corner of another realm to the humans in Hell in a short time, but wasnt able dodge or blitz Makima. Also another interpretation of high-balls for the verses, wich also doesnt inlcude the fact the Eternity/Infinity Devil created an infinite realm with its own space-time. It embodies the concept of Eternity and Infinity, as is shown by its true form and infinite 3D being equal to 4D. And the 4th dimension is time, when Eternity is infinite time itself Primal Devils are stated as transcendant to normal Devils, by a character with an infomration gathering ability. Transcendance quite literally means to be of a higher spatial dimension/higher plane of existence. As normal devils already exist that can be considered 4D by their very nature and their feats that would make Primal Devils 4D-5D.

In all fairness, wouldnt the conceptual erasure only work on Devils...?? Given that devils are the physical manifestations of fears that humans have about aspects of reality, it wouldnt make sense that if Pochita ate a piece of Mahoraga it would severly weaken him.

Chainsaw Man's Black Chainsaw Man form is where I think Chainsaw Man would win.

Dude you gotta read part 2 already, nuke feat goes way up in context, lol. Also just for the general scaling really, denjis regeneration is alot better, the primals ( if you really are ok with using that scaling) go way up and the hax becomes alot more busted depending on how you look at devils in relation to one another.

I thought csm's erasure was only towards devils

There is no power scale in CSM title. It was intentional because the story is not about battles. The concept of power in CSM is a very wide term that can't be calculated by any measures. The match up is stupid for this reason alone. The power of devils in CSM is unlimited. They're not limited by anything and can go all out depending of how much people fear their name. Not Mahoraga, nor even Sukuna are able to deal with something that doesn't have limits for their power and which power is not balanced by CT rules. Devils are not CT users, there is nothing to adapt to for Mahoraga. He and Sukuna would be killed instantly when any character in the vicinity of Chainsaw devil would say "save me, Chainsaw-Man". He would kill Sukuna and Mahoraga by surprise attack and then the summoner who asked to save him will also die. That's how it works.

I'd say a fresh Mahoraga probably loses to the Chainsaw Man *if* Chainsaw man attempts to eat it immediately (Or a piece of it if it would have an effect and you think it wouldn't then cause it to begin to adapt to Chainsaw man's erasure), but if we pull Mahoraga from the end of either of its fight it would have a very good chance at winning. The nearly entirely adapted to and actively already adapting to "slashing attacks" Mahoraga from Shibuya and the "world-cutting cleave" Mahoraga from Shinjuku that could tank multiple Gojo black flashes and keep up with him and Sukuna in melee to an extent may just land the one or two cuts needed to bisect the Chainsaw man/land a positive energy nuke since apparently Sukuna thinks even he'd get one tapped from a blocked blow at 15fingers. I can see Pochita absolutely blitzing and tearing Mahoraga apart, but especially if you use anime feats for Mahoraga it's pretty obscene the type of destruction needed to kill it -- You know the scene, being entirely obliterated/torn apart by MS only to regenerate immediately because the Dharma Chakra wasn't obliterated -- it's just so hard to say they'd be able to actually kill Mahoraga aside from eating it. And if Mahoraga say, gets an arm eaten and then just... adapts to that erasure, then its a gg if it works. Which, I'm not saying "Any and all phenomena" should allow for it but... I mean, Mahoraga did adapt to and neg: an infinite pressure attack, paradoxes in space, slashing attacks in general and infinitely recurring sets of information being forced into its brain. Honestly just depends on how fast Chainsaw man eats Mahoraga entirely. On an unrelated note, I will say Sukuna's domain having only 140 meters of range doesn't mean it's AP matches the scale it has. That is just it's range. Not saying planetary Malevolent shrine is justified at all, that's major wank, but I don't think it's really right to say it's only city level. On a second unrelated note, completely agree Mahoraga probably wouldn't be able to react to Immortality and Reincarnation. Though, most would consider killing Pochita just once a win con (Not that I think it consistently would win)

Mahoraga only took one spin to adapt to slices the only reason it took multiple spins later is because gojos abilities are very complex

I straight up have to disagree with mahoraga NOT adapting in time. EVERY SINGLE TIME we see mahoraga adapt, he adapts in a single spin from a single hit EXCEPT against gojo’s infinity barrier. Unless you want to argue that being slashed by chainsaws is as complex as the limitless technique? If mahoraga is sliced up into 1000 pieces he has insane regen even pre adaptation, and the more slice hits, the more adapted he becomes. Also, your scaling is extremely biased here on the CSM behalf. I actually agree that domain expansion creation feats are not actually feats, however to not scale Mahoraga directly to Gojo & Sukuna when Mahoraga was consistently landing hits on gojo, and gojo even noted that ONLY agito couldnt keep up with the three of them(gojo, sukuna, & mahoraga) should alone scale him WAY above the hikari no CT kashimo that are lightning timers. Meanwhile you scale very vague explosions and bullet timing feats above mahoraga when early nerfed maki is clearly shown a bullet timer. Even toji has shown better blitzing than some of the “blitzing goons” feats you showed. And Mahoraga obviously scales above toji. Lastly, the sword of extermination. 15 finger sukuna said it would 1 shot him if he were a curse. In verse equalization usually people equalize curses and devils, HOWEVER im not sure of how this would work for a hybrid like denji. But its good to take note that a weaker mahoraga summoned by megumi would One-Shot a 15 finger sukuna powered curse. 20 finger sukuna is an order of magnitude if not even more powerful than the megumi that summoned that mahoraga.

Agree with the video overall and it was great. 👍🏾 I think Hakari being faster than lightning is BS. I wouldn't say Makima reacted to the gun devil at all but you could just say shes faster anyway for up scaling. Personally wouldn't use Makima's spear as a light speed feat. And Quanxi's calcs can be used it just depends on what end you think is the most valid. Think Beam moving at mach 180 should be an outlier since Quanxi's highest end caps at Mach 200 and she is clearly way faster. Should be around the hypersonic ranges for scaling above fiends like Quanxi's girls that got supersonic calcs from ManifestedFavour. I'd like to see an Undead Unluck vs vid either on JJK or CSM if you a willing to research it.

beyond me how some ppl say csm is weak when this version of csm cut through a fucking dimension ;Skull;

W Chainsaw Man stomps mahoraga

Woah, cool to see the 1,000 Year Spear speed highball mentioned! Real Rat Wank for CSM is inaccessible speed because they can move in places with no time in the Eternity Devil body

Awesome video, video on how would Guts from Berserk would do against the Devils in Chainsaw Man

It starts off as a close fight but ends with Mahoraga adopting Chainsaw man.. And then Sukuna kills Mahoraga because 'nah I'd win, your are my specialz.. my only specialz' This happened because Gege teams up with Fujimotor to ruin their MCs life, as they love to mentally ruin their MCs because it racks in views

There is a problem, I don't see Mahoraga's scale above Jogo, at least in terms of AP and DC

My only issue is that I don't think the nuke devil would have actual nuclear levels of power, since devils get their power from the fear of a concept rather than what they actually are, if that wasn't the case, then devils such as the leech and bat devils would be complete fodder, and other devils like angel or hell would be far more powerful than they actually are

Are we talking Denji or Chainsaw Man? Because if it’s Chainsaw Man, he stomps.

The black hole isn’t planet level the whole threat of the black hole is that it is a black hole so it will grow and become planet level

Imagine being Planetary but only Mach 3!!!! 😭😭😭😅😅😅

Now I want Sukuna vs Darkness devil

I feel like pochita could be ftl comftormqbly if you think he upscales to the light devil who most likely exist cause their is darkness devil and if it’s light the yk what ik but this is highballing csm soooo im gonna leave it their

Not if Pochita ate the wheel. You KNOW he can do it too.

I don't think maho can adapt to concept erasure

Nah I'd adapt

Yo when is the makima vs pain video coming out Can you do "can gojo's students survive in hell's paradise"

1:25 video starts

Darkness one taps

Pochita eats curse devil....what happens?

8:10 the sukuna gojo fought is 20 fingers sukuna, source: sukuna himself

big raga the opp stoppa

8:29 🤨 u sure?

Does mahoraga even bleed? And im pretty sure mahoraga would instantly adapt to cut and slash denjis only offense really i think the slow part of mahoragas adaptation is the counterplay but the resistance is like instant atleast it was on sukunas slashes

Chainsaw Man vs. Mahoraga is not something I've ever thought I'd be interested in, but here we are

pochita either cripples mahoraga in one strick and finishes him off by eating him, or it goes to a battle of attrition which pochita still wins in

i mean if chainsaw man goes to hell and they return they wouldn't exactly be the same devil now would they? it's the same concept as curses in jujustsu kisen dying and then reappearing after enough time has passed.

If chainsawman can consume mahoraga before he adapts to his slashes, then he most likely would win since anything that pochita consumed would be erased, the very concept of it for example nazis or aids dont exist in csm. However if Mahoraga adpats to his slashes well then Mahoraga wins for sure.

I don’t know Denji still winning,he has godly defence I mean he doesn’t feel anything,but if it’s about pochita vs Mahoraga,nahhhhhh this is unfair Reze enough

let me explain how mahoraga´s adaptation works since no one seems to know. after the gojo vs sukuna fight we see sukuna state that the way sukuna ended up wining is because he used mahoraga like a blueprint, adapting to gojo´s limitless and imitating whatever mahoraga did. after mahoraga first adaptation he changed the essence of his CE to be equal to gojo´s CE thus ignoring infinity, this was something sukuna could not imitate so he waited for the seccond adaptation, in wich mahoraga instead of attacking gojo he attacked the entire space around him to bipass infinity, this was something sukuna could imitate. so thanks to this we know that what the dharma wheel does is learn about the opponent CT and figure out ways to better fight them, then it gives that info to mahoraga. this explains the battle between sukuna and mahoraga in the shibuya incident, since first the sword of extermination was charged with RCT but after seeing that it was useless in sukuna because of sukuna not being a curse, it changed its energy into normal CE for a better match up against sukuna. it also explains why even after having "adapted" to sukuna´s dismantle mahoraga was still taking damage from it since mahoraga had only imitated sukuna´s CE and as we know from the fight between yuta and yuji vs sukuna, he can still take damage from its own CT, thats why mahoraga ended up adapting to slashes in general. so with that said mahoraga´s abilities are: absolute control over its CE. being able to use the CT of his summoner (once tamed by sukuna mahoraga shown to be able to use cleave). control of its body structure, properties and size to a certain degree. now, the abitities of the dharma wheel: progresively gain a better understanding of any phenomena it´s being exposed to. somehow it can inform mahoraga of virtually anything once it spins. it does not seem breakable by conventional means (gojo didn´t target it even though it was clearly exposed during most of the fight). mahoraga´s weaknesses: he cannot change his methods of fighting by himself. he does not seem to be able to be summoned in an unstable mode (sukuna never did it even though it erases the risk of the shikigami dying).

I'm really tired of people coming to the versus community and not being able to come up with a halfway decent matchup people really need to do their research and think these things through it's not that hard I've been explaining this to the community for years.

To be fair, you completely forgot the fact that Mahoraga has the sword of extermination which, if you’re mixing the power systems, if chainsaw man would just to get hit by or judged by it a little bit easy dub so

If CSM doesn't one shot Maho it becomes a Maho stomp Most people want Maho to stop since they want CSM to have a fight.

still feels like mahoraga would put a hard fight but still lose

Chainsaw man consumed the sun devil so does that low key make him star level… Maybe I think it’s far more plausible than Dargon creating a star in his domain.

23:23 that would defeat the purpose of immortality also I assume mahorga despawns after you die which means he will just be in a perpetual state of knocking him unconscious without actually being able to kill Denji

I personally scale JJK in the Small City levels at best in terms of AP and Durability for the top tiers. In terms of speed I think it is way more consistent with the story and statements by narrator and stuff to have the top tiers in the Hypersonic range but nothing above. So by that logic I personally scale Mahoraga to High End Large Town and Transonic speed. I can agree with lightning levels of speed for JJK but nothing above mach 2,900 as being able to react at those speeds would mean you should be able to land Black Flash at will, something not even Gojo, the faster character by far can do...

Kashmir doesn't shoot lighting its like lighting which the chapter states.

10:13 yeah, they’re not writing anything that makes a logical sense

I always feel like that Mahoraga adapts slower if an attack is very deadly, like Sukuna slashes.

Glazing csm way to hard right now

Nah, I'd like and comment.

Yeah, as I expected. CSM simply outscales Mahoraga with his stats

two unkillable beast

When are u making DB vids?

15:01 pochita isnt the most feared devil in the series. its stated hes the devil devils fear most

3:20 jogo was not going to wipe out the entirety of shibuya with his maximum meteor technique

1:32 bro the anime did not paint a similar narrative to the manga

i actually did a video close to this one but this was really good (nah i'd adapt)

I love Chainsaw Man, it's my favorite manga, so it pains me to say this but... It's actually unclear if Denji knows about his ability to delete people by eating them. He wasn't present for the conversation where that was learned and it's not clear if Kishibe told Denji he has this power, so while yes deleting his opponent would win him the fight, it's unclear if Denji has the knowledge to choose that as an option and any consumption would likely be an accident and Denji wouldn't know what he was doing if for some reason he did choose to consume him. Additionally when they reincarnate in hell/earth Devil's don't retain their memories of their former lives, so Chainsaw Man wouldn't remember he was in a fight to the death and really one death could be considered a defeat just because at that point it's a New Chainsaw Man and Denji definitely isn't there in the new one anymore either.

You should read jjk :/

I agree with the verdict that chainsaw man wins, but one issue that kind of popped in my head is basically the anime. When Maha is being chopped up sukuna he heals from the slashes pretty much instant. The issue is that chainsaw man is going to try to slash him, and then eat him slashes are some that he may not become immune to, but he heals from. If you go back and watch the fight, there is virtually no time that he is not fighting a full Shiki even though he slashes him thousands of times this is clear. I am texting and driving so I can’t correct the anime wordsright now

Underrated aff

yea mahoraga stomps, video done.

Of course, your one of those youtubers who think csm>>jjk in power, at least for the most part, jjk downplay, and csm wank needs to stop, WAY to many "what ifs" in the csm debates, yall are wild😂

"Mahoraga can Adapt to any and ALL Phenomenon" Is the only line You need to know. 😂 If Chainsaw man Can Not One shot Mahoraga than Mahoraga negs Chainsaw Man

There is no take time and figure out because chainsaws arent that complex. I'd say the adaption is gonna happen immediately if he doesn't one shot would his teeth work if that adaption occurs because it would adapt to cutting in general and those teeth look like blades, and assuming denji doesn't know about mahoraga i dont see denji winning this fight by immediately eating them alive. I think if denji did start eating while they were alive it would be less beneficial because eating is slower than your entire body being hit by purple do the bites count as individual uses? If so then he may adapt to it in time to save himself.... But pochita spinning back would be a reason for mahoraga to lose

Mahoraga adapted to infinite pressure and infinite space. It'll adapt to infinite life aka immortals.

Mahoraga after adapt to kick punch and slash 🗿

17:25 its stated that the devil that chainsaw man eats has their names erased from existence aka the devil is erased. he didnt erase hamburgers from existence

Half the calculations for chainsaw man characters rely on the fact fujimoto isn't specific or even attempts to quantify anything in his manga so the fans have to attempt to make sense and calculate all of the unquantified shit he writes without a thought for how it implies shit in his fictional world. Like simply him forgetting the gun devil was far away from makima has CsM stans pretending a bullet can go "mach 1000" fucking ridiculous. Fujimoto says "big number go bam~!" and his fanbase will dissect it and attempt to claim it's somehow a reflection of the fictional power system's validity. Another example he gave was quanxi going really fast, when in fact fujimoto doesn't even know her top speed he just drew her in a blur to avoid detailing it and the fans assume she must be near light speed tier. hey...CsM head, your favorite self inset fetish manga is bad, and it's power system is contrived...get over it.

Yeah Denji takes it 🙏🏽he can also erase he’s wheel if he wants to