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Main Crank Seals causes this 2-Stroke BOG DOWN symptom! 

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This video emphasizes the often-overlooked but critical role of crankshaft seals in the operation of 2-stroke cycle engines and how they can be a common cause of issues like engine bogging down. Let's expand on this concept:
Crankshaft Seals and Engine Performance:
Crankshaft seals are a fundamental but often underappreciated component in the world of 2-stroke cycle engines. These seals serve as a barrier between the engine's crankcase and the outside environment. While they may seem like small and inconspicuous parts, they play a crucial role in maintaining the proper functioning of the engine.
Common Misdiagnosis: One of the problems often encountered is the misdiagnosis of engine issues. When an engine experiences performance problems like bogging down, it's easy to point the finger at the carburetor as the culprit. The carburetor's role in regulating the air-fuel mixture is well-known, and it's a common target for adjustments and maintenance. However, crankshaft seals can be equally, if not more, responsible for these issues, yet they are frequently overlooked.
Importance of Crankshaft Seals: Crankshaft seals are tasked with sealing the critical pressures that need to be maintained within the crankcase of a 2-stroke engine. This sealing function is not only about preventing external contaminants from entering the crankcase, but it's also about keeping the necessary pressures inside. If the crankshaft seals start to leak, they compromise this delicate balance of pressures.
Consequences of Leakage: When crankshaft seals begin to leak, it disrupts the integrity of the engine's operation. This leakage causes a loss of the vital pressures required for the engine to function optimally. As a result, you start to experience a range of engine problems, which include:
Starting Problems: Leakage through the crankshaft seals can lead to difficulties in starting the engine. The compromised pressure balance affects the engine's ability to draw in the necessary air-fuel mixture and ignite it.
Running Issues: Once the engine is running, the problems persist. The loss of pressure affects the engine's efficiency, resulting in poor performance. The engine may bog down, lose power, or exhibit erratic behavior.
Overall Engine Health: Beyond immediate performance issues, prolonged leakage through crankshaft seals can lead to further damage within the engine. It can affect the lubrication of components, leading to wear and potential engine failure.
The Importance of Diagnosis: Recognizing the role of crankshaft seals and their potential impact on engine operation is vital for efficient troubleshooting and maintenance. While it's easy to jump to conclusions and blame the carburetor, a comprehensive understanding of all possible factors affecting engine performance, including the condition of crankshaft seals, is essential for maintaining the health of a 2-stroke cycle engine.
In summary, the video underscores the significance of crankshaft seals in 2-stroke engines and how their leakage can lead to engine bogging down and other operational issues. It's a reminder of the importance of diagnosing engine troubles accurately and the need to consider all possible factors, including often-overlooked components like crankshaft seals.
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@dean754
@dean754 2 года назад
Just a note to readers of the comments…not only does the crank seal leak in air to the combustion chamber , it also can draw in engine oil from the clutch side and cause the engine to bog. Also noted in my case (gas gas ec300) that the engine breather was spoofing out black oil , indicating the extra pressure into the crank cases. Thanks for explaining the basics of what’s going on. Greetings from down under 🇦🇺
@shanehutchinson785
@shanehutchinson785 Год назад
Hi mate can a crank bearing/ seal cause a bike not to start have got a kmx and it has good compression have taken head off and barrel and piston and rings look good I even taken it to a shop and they said my top end looks fine so anyway I have checked my fly wheel and it has movement when I pull it up and down not loads but its there will this be the problem do u think
@pilotoelguapo
@pilotoelguapo 6 лет назад
It should be mentioned also that the lean condition caused by a leaking crank seal on a 2 stroke can lead to premature piston failure or ring failure.
@brmelectric
@brmelectric 5 лет назад
What a fantastic well explained video. A delight to listen, learn and watch.
@shafi420
@shafi420 3 года назад
I really liked your videos. You are very thorough in explaining. Your video on metering diaphragm was really helpful for me understanding small engine carburetor
@mguarin912
@mguarin912 5 лет назад
Epic video. There is also a condition where crankcase oil lives on the other side of the crank seal, which causes an overly rich condition (as that oil or tranny fluid doesn’t burn the same) as such you foul plugs and/or saturate your muffler packing.
@NickRanger
@NickRanger 2 года назад
I have a yz 80 i haven't ever been able to get to run properly. Kicks over first time almost everytime. Wont rev up. Tons of oil coming from the pipe. Any ideas?
@maurovera8917
@maurovera8917 5 лет назад
Very helpfull trick for quick diagnose! Greetings from Argentina
@clem95627
@clem95627 Год назад
Great easy to understand video. I've also used carb clean to see if the revs recover.
@tuckerj.1793
@tuckerj.1793 7 лет назад
very informative video. thank you and i look forward to your next videos.
@alexsheriff3234
@alexsheriff3234 6 лет назад
Brilliant video...explained so well!!
@RG-wy1ol
@RG-wy1ol 2 года назад
Thanks for making this video very helpful and educational 👍🏽👍🏽
@jackrutherford-1
@jackrutherford-1 6 лет назад
Excellent, informative video, thank you!
@Treestouch
@Treestouch 2 года назад
Wonderful job with this video! Thank you
@mtbridingog9083
@mtbridingog9083 5 лет назад
Amazing video on explaining why engines with bad or worse crankcase seals can run funny and bog ...
@nainka11
@nainka11 3 года назад
Thank you and Well done
@donniebaker5984
@donniebaker5984 2 года назад
When you mentioned pressure in the crankcase is the key word... What nobody seems to understand these days is the fact that two-cycle or two-stroke if you want to call it engines are self supercharging engines. At a certain RPM the pressure in the crankcase becomes higher than atmospheric pressure. That's what we call supercharging.. for a two-stroke engine this is when the power band starts and continues all the way through to the RPM range ... Something I've never seen done but I know that manufacturers are aware of.. Let's put a tapped hole in the bottom of the crankcase using something small like 1/16 NPT tap and then attach a pressure gauge and while the engine is running under load let's see how much crankcase pressure (boost) two-stroke engines can produce..
@MalavDesai
@MalavDesai 6 месяцев назад
That is a brilliant idea actually.
@Beneduzisantacruz
@Beneduzisantacruz 7 лет назад
I am proud to be the very first to comment this video,as the others,very clear, usefull,and with drawings very precise,I am the one from Brasil.Congratulations,and keep up with your nice job.
@TheRepairSpecialist
@TheRepairSpecialist 7 лет назад
André Welser, thank you very much indeed for taking the time to write your comment. It really does motivate me to keep going with these videos. Thanks again, Craig
@bobgirald1052
@bobgirald1052 9 дней назад
So beautifully explained!😎
@TheRepairSpecialist
@TheRepairSpecialist 7 дней назад
Thank you so much 👍👍
@quadbikebuggymechanicuk9001
Amazing video
@everythingattachmentiok7874
@everythingattachmentiok7874 3 года назад
Thanks so many chanies saw is that problem
@erikandemotion
@erikandemotion 6 лет назад
Thank you for a very informative video! I have a Kawasaki ultra 150 jet ski with 3 cyl and 3 carbs. I rebuid the entire engine with new crankshaft etc. and after that the engine dies after about 10 seconds of idling. The only way to keep the engine from not bogging down and die is to keep it above 3500rpm. And to get it running again i have to choke it between every bog down. I comp tested the cylinders and they reach 120 but if i let it sit for a couple of minutes the pressure drops to 100 and stays there. Would you say my symptoms are due to leaking crank seals? I tried the light oil trick but I couldn't get it to work.
@Lovinflyindrones2022
@Lovinflyindrones2022 7 лет назад
You're a very smart man. You go above. My little brain u always lose me!!!
@geojor
@geojor 7 лет назад
very good ...
@lewisveasey1674
@lewisveasey1674 4 года назад
LoL! I have two mopeds with crank seal leaks on opposite sides from one another. One was too rich and the other too lean. Replacing the seals fixed them both! Thanks!
@peterford9369
@peterford9369 7 лет назад
I assume if there's oil mess around the crank seals that,d be a good indication of blowby? I know that term is generally used for the rings wear but in this case I guess it'll be alright. I'll tell you my friend, your videos make us think, as well as learn. thanks so.
@TonyLing
@TonyLing 7 лет назад
A two stroke engine has a total loss lubrication system and not a wet sump like a four stroke. There are three things in a two stroke sump, mostly air, and then fuel and 2-stroke oil. Leakage around here is not very prominent unless the engine has been flooded.
@Rein_Ciarfella
@Rein_Ciarfella Год назад
That is absolutely correct. A telltale sign of failed crank seals is black, oily residue around the seal area.
@Rein_Ciarfella
@Rein_Ciarfella Год назад
@@TonyLing Baloney! Read my comment.
@shawncordeiro5078
@shawncordeiro5078 Год назад
got a polaris indy 500 2 stroke twin once fully warmed up she bogs at about 2000rpm and wont gain rpm unless i feather the throttle but blipping the choke lever works best and once above bog spot clutch engages at correct rpm and runs really well also no problems starting motor like ive seen once in a bad crank seal before any ideas ? cleaned carbs new fuel pump
@MrShakamuni01
@MrShakamuni01 5 лет назад
My engine belt is loaded with oil and I know it is not my power steering oil. It leaks a court of oil every 40 miles. I am guessing it is coming out of the crankshaft seal but the engine performs fine with no bogging at all. Is my guess unfounded?
@KB_Joys
@KB_Joys Год назад
I wonder if you can have an air leak at the crank seals, but not have any fuel and oil mix leakage? On my engine i see no seepage, but suspect a possible leak? I know that i need to use some shims on the sides of the crank shaft because there is excessive play with the crank and bottom end🤦 Thanks for the video 😊
@RussellBooth1977
@RussellBooth1977 6 лет назад
I have to check further on my 3.5 horsepower Briggs & Stratton mower engine as after I lapped the valves in,the engine still had a bit of a misfire at idle speed. I want to check it by plugging off the PCV valve tube then by inserting an airline into the oil filler hole,then to pressurise the crankcase with air. With the magneto removed,spray some soapy water around the top crankshaft oil seal then watch for air bubbles. The top of the engine is caked with dirt,grass & oil so I assume that the top crankshaft oil seal is leaking & upsetting the fuel mixture, the bottom one doesn't leak. If it misfires at idle speed,then it could be a lean fuel mixture,I have trouble getting it to run rich when I tune it so that could be the case.
@dave1135
@dave1135 6 лет назад
Russell Booth thats a four stroke engine, did you check your valve clearance after lapping? To adjust the clearance you have to grind the valve stems a little bit at a time, with piston at tdc on compression stroke, check the clearance with springs removed and feeler gauge inserted in the gap between the cam tappet and valve stem. Clearance should be .006 for intake and .009 for exhaust. Grind a little at a time until proper clearance is met.
@MrBoyze52
@MrBoyze52 3 года назад
Briggs Stratton ? 4 stroke then you plumb
@mikevanderoer4957
@mikevanderoer4957 4 года назад
i have 2 stroke engine that seams to be sucking oil into the exhaust an flooding the exhaust with oil
@leemilica
@leemilica 3 года назад
Mine leaks so much that you can hear it and even blow through the carb with your mouth, is that bad or can it still work?
@peterford9369
@peterford9369 7 лет назад
Also I wondered, Would the carb adjustments compensate for the air fuel mix in the crankcase?
@thenewtalkerguy496
@thenewtalkerguy496 Год назад
Depends how bad the leak is at the seal. If it's a large leak, the amount of air from the carb will be small in comparison
@shanehutchinson785
@shanehutchinson785 Год назад
Hi any one with knowledge when I try start bike even with fuel directly down cylinder it just makes a loud pop after like ten kicks have got good spark and have taken cylinder off and bore rings piston look good have check my fly wheel and it looks to have play when I move it up and down can crank bearing and crank oil seal cause a none start ?
@jimmyblake1
@jimmyblake1 7 лет назад
i had gearbox oil leaking into the crankcase and i changed that seal but not the other, no oil leaking now but is bogging and wont idle consistantly and is smoking alot
@terrymilby2882
@terrymilby2882 6 лет назад
James Blake main bearing, and both crank seals.
@Evomotocrossbikes
@Evomotocrossbikes 2 месяца назад
Hello Can a leaking crankshaft seal cause the bike to rev out uncontrollably. I had a bad crash on Saturday during a motocross race and I hit the face of a jump in over rev the bike completely reved out , I’m trying to figure out what happened
@lonerblackwolf8264
@lonerblackwolf8264 6 лет назад
The problem im having is the exhaust temperature being different on each cylinder , i have a 3 cylinder engine in my snowmobile and the PTO side has higher exhaust temperature then the other 2, trying to figure out whats going on there.
@SEILLC
@SEILLC 3 года назад
So 3 years later what did you end up doing?
@ANDYYSHAWW118
@ANDYYSHAWW118 Год назад
Thank for the vid. Very informative. I have a problem with my 100hp 2 stroke mercury, starts and slowly increases revs in idle and then puffs out smoke, reduces revs and then increased again and keeps doing the while puffing experience over and over again, could this be the seal also? Thanks again
@danielmantio7905
@danielmantio7905 Год назад
Left hand crank seal or your pilot jet is blocked dirty sort that out before crank seals
@GlizzyChamp4
@GlizzyChamp4 Месяц назад
PW80 redlines when I kick it. It only runs on carb spray which gets sprayed through the carburetor. Could a bad crank seal be the issue?
@ginoasci2876
@ginoasci2876 6 месяцев назад
I bought a 2022 brand new motorcycle that has a leak at the front sprocket shaft. The dealership refuses to recognize that there’s a leak, but I say the PCV valve is bad and stuck or even partially inoperative or another venting port is blocked. My question is if a motorcycle is brand new what could possibly cause an oil leak at the front sprocket shaft? ?
@benniecoetzer2096
@benniecoetzer2096 6 лет назад
Why does my bike sounds like it's flooding and does not want to start and feels like it have an little less compression than before but i have put in a new piston and rings and gaskets
@beatflyy
@beatflyy 6 лет назад
Bennie Coetzer They might have been installed incorrectly. You can also try adjusting the carb.
@dezdon01
@dezdon01 2 года назад
I know this post is old. Would the crank seals cause a no start/no run condition? I have a Husqvarna 240 chainsaw that suddenly died while in use. I’ve examined every other possible cause. Including installing a new OEM carb, new spark plug. I have good spark, good fuel flow, fresh fuel (verified in another machine), flywheel key-way is in check (the key way is cast into the flywheel on this model) I have checked and double checked everyyyything. I also tried starter fluid and not even a pop. The compression feels just as strong when I pull start as it always has, it has good resistance as I pull. Consensus on a Facebook post is it’s the crankshaft seals. They are visually intact, I can’t imagine a seal on this, when the compression feels strong, could possibly cause a no start condition.
@jbone1383
@jbone1383 Год назад
Actually measure the compression with a tester...I had same problem w/ mine died while running, wouldn't start back up even w/ starter fluid, EVERYTHING else checked out... I then measured the compression and it could only muster 35 psi! Took the top-end off and piston had a huge crack & the rings were stuck solid, pretty new engine so I think it sucked in some dirt or something 🤷‍♂️
@watchthemaster5906
@watchthemaster5906 25 дней назад
Will the seals affect compression?
@ProfileP246
@ProfileP246 3 года назад
Would wd 40 do? thanks for a great vid!
@integrationofmanandmachine4714
@integrationofmanandmachine4714 3 года назад
i think so but dont spray too long or you will seise ur engine
@stevenruss712
@stevenruss712 7 лет назад
what kind of light oil do you spray around the crank seals?
@TheRepairSpecialist
@TheRepairSpecialist 7 лет назад
Steve R, i personally have used WD40 on my machines.
@stevenruss712
@stevenruss712 7 лет назад
TheRepairSpecialist thanks!
@Community-Action
@Community-Action 7 лет назад
Steve R m- thought most crank seals are located inside the case, not easily accessed
@TonaldDrump686
@TonaldDrump686 6 лет назад
Propane works also. Non chlorinated brake clean also. Non flammable brake klean is worthless as tits on a boar hog.
@victoroneill4381
@victoroneill4381 3 года назад
@@Community-Action mostly the early engines
@davidsferrazzo
@davidsferrazzo 6 лет назад
Would this explain why I’m only getting 60 ish percent throttle and then after that is a 4 stroke sound until I keep on reviving up and then I get full throttle?
@MichaelForrestChnl
@MichaelForrestChnl 6 лет назад
your main jet is too lean
@victoroneill4381
@victoroneill4381 3 года назад
yup sounds like bad crank seals symptons
@gowm
@gowm 3 года назад
What specific tool would you use to pump the air in? Through the spark plug thread in?
@integrationofmanandmachine4714
@integrationofmanandmachine4714 3 года назад
nope
@Rein_Ciarfella
@Rein_Ciarfella Год назад
@@integrationofmanandmachine4714 Wrong, totally wrong! Spark plug hole adapters are made for this exact purpose!
@Rein_Ciarfella
@Rein_Ciarfella Год назад
Many tools are sold for this. The most well known is MityVac.
@EricPollarrd
@EricPollarrd 3 года назад
How do u test with squiring oil with a clutch and flywheel in the way ?
@TheRepairSpecialist
@TheRepairSpecialist 3 года назад
Most light oil spray cans have a straw that fixes onto the spray end of the can, which direct the spray to the main seal area much better and without contact with the clutch. Thanks. Craig
@EricPollarrd
@EricPollarrd 3 года назад
@@TheRepairSpecialist nice
@terrenceperera8547
@terrenceperera8547 8 месяцев назад
Sir does this case also cause to engine runaway
@TheRepairSpecialist
@TheRepairSpecialist 8 месяцев назад
It can cause it to over revv and starting problems mainly. It can be very temperamental with trying to set the carb as well. Almost impossible to get the settings just right depending on how advanced this is
@terrenceperera8547
@terrenceperera8547 8 месяцев назад
@@TheRepairSpecialist Thank you sir,my crm 250 won't stay idle but when choked, it idles,I think this is the problem or it should be a air leak,do you have any idea?
@shahjahanakram1300
@shahjahanakram1300 4 года назад
Wow... important stuff about 2 stroke... ❤❤❤.... bro my bike isnt consuming gear oil... both crank seal are perfect... no air leaks... but it still does not acclerates like real 2 stroke .... feels like a four stroke... very less power at lower as well as higher rpm range.... i am stuck... please help....
@peroSonline
@peroSonline 3 года назад
Dod you fixed that issue? I am having that problem with my 2 stroke now 😔
@tomdowning9087
@tomdowning9087 9 месяцев назад
A very common thing with two stroke engines, that I have seen more than once, is that most people put the clutch side oil seal in backwards, which would be right on a four stroke engine, but on a two stroke engine you are try to keep oil out of the crankcase, because it gets it's oil from the gas mix. If the seal is blowing out of the holder it's because it is trying to keep pressure in the crankcase, and not the oil out, I know it looks backwards, just remember that the part of the seal with the little spring on it goes toward the fluid that you are trying to keep in, or out, whichever the case may be.this is part of the reason for the vent tube on a two stroke, and also the reason why the tranny oil should be changed more often, on a two stroke.
@cm5838
@cm5838 2 года назад
You are technically correct but to put it simply if your seals are shot your crank case will not build vacuum or pressure, without vacuum it cannot draw in the fuel air mix, without pressure it cannot transfer that mix through the port to the combustion chamber.
@sunflxwergamer303
@sunflxwergamer303 2 года назад
You have a point Sir, so any other suspect to look around ? Assuming oil seals are both ok
@cm5838
@cm5838 2 года назад
@@sunflxwergamer303 bogging can come from bad seals, bad reeds, dirty or damaged carburetor, incorrect carburetor adjustment, bad fuel. 2 strokes are finicky, I’ve seen bad spark plugs cause it as well as sheared key on flywheel and even a weak magnetic field on flywheel. I tend to look at case leaks last as the leak would have to let pressure out but not leak on vacuum to cause a bog, it it leaks on vacuum it generally will cause the engine to rev uncontrollably. It is nearly impossible to diagnose without being able to test the engine all we can do is tell people how to diagnose by themselves but it will not replace experience in knowing the sound of the bog, what point it starts and so on. I turn down a lot of work on small 2 strokes simply because the diagnosis cost and repair could exceed replacement cost and quite often I will not get paid for the hour or two it took to figure it out
@Lovinflyindrones2022
@Lovinflyindrones2022 7 лет назад
How did u learn all that u know about small engine ????
@stfuandLiftBtCh
@stfuandLiftBtCh 6 лет назад
William Isen a small book
@UpInSmoke54
@UpInSmoke54 6 лет назад
Good video, but you didn't explain how it effects the primary compression.
@chrisheffernan7540
@chrisheffernan7540 4 года назад
It has Zero effect on compression. It causes a lean fuel mixture with a leaky crank seal
@UpInSmoke54
@UpInSmoke54 4 года назад
@@chrisheffernan7540 Primary compression is not the compression on the compression stroke but on the down stroke to pressurize the crankcase, with leaky seal the primary is affected.
@chrisheffernan7540
@chrisheffernan7540 4 года назад
@@UpInSmoke54 that's not what he asked
@UpInSmoke54
@UpInSmoke54 4 года назад
@@chrisheffernan7540 who?
@chrisheffernan7540
@chrisheffernan7540 4 года назад
@@UpInSmoke54 you asked how is primary compression affected, it is not affected. Crankcase pressure is less due to the leaky crank seals, which will lean your mixture.
@RideWithTheWolf
@RideWithTheWolf 2 года назад
Is there a way to keep your seals conditiond or get them to seal again? 😒 🤔
@Rein_Ciarfella
@Rein_Ciarfella Год назад
One thing about this video is not quite complete. The best way to test crank seals isn’t by pressurizing, it’s by creating a vacuum. By the nature of how these seals are constructed, using pressure instead of drawing a vacuum can give a false negative result.
@rapsured
@rapsured Год назад
I have an interesting issue with my 2 stroke 800cc snowmobile motor. This is one of those motors that used grease for the main bearing from Ski-doo. The grease pushed out of the seal on both sides. I checked if the seals where leaking air by doing the light oil trick and that didn't do anything. The motor runs great, and I don't see a lean condition on the spark plugs. So I repacked the bearings with grease and no issue as far as running. From what I could tell is that I have a high crank pressure when riding hard, and that pressure is more than the seals can handle. I guess something has got to give.
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