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@@crazy_clock4464 Vocal support is a fundamental part of vocal technique, it consists of making notes without any type of tension, making it so that when you sing you sound strong, free and, above all, you don't hurt your voice.
Siyeon's case is so surprising, she looks so much like a strong vocalist while her supporting ability is weak. Her last high note in Vision was so spectacular, her vibrato was perfect. And I noticed that in kpop, only idols who produce vibrato can support but not Siyeon. I would really like to have a deep analysis of her case.
People really need to learn how to differentiate being a good singer and singing healthy/being a good vocalist. Siyeon is a better singer than a lot of kpop singers with healthier techniques than her. Saying not support makes you a bad singer is like saying if you run faster than someone but you are hurting your body you are not really as fast as them which makes non sense.
The vibrato is my favorite from her highnote. Siyeon's vocal tone and style is perfect for rock soud imo. Sometimes, it isn't the highnote, but the change in note, how she plays with her tone that makes me fall in love.
Makes sense in Siyeons case. She's very stylistic so her support is shallow. She isn't a classical vocalist, she's a metal vocalist. She used to be in a metal band so it's pretty obvious how her insane belting style can trick you into thinking she's classically supported. All the more reason I think Siyeon is an insane vocalist. Her voice really shines in their heavier songs.
@@patricioguedes15 could be. But if people told that to metal vocalists, we wouldn't have vocalists like Rob Halford who absolutely spit fire. Metal has a strong history of not giving a shit about what others do think.
What do you mean by classical and metal vocalist? There’s no such a thing as metal vocal trainings, she was trained to sing like a pop singer the rest is stylistic, I wouldn’t even call her style metal
@@damiharinhandongsupremacy1486 friend I’m literally a singer, there’s only difference between opera, religious and traditional singing, the rest is pop training with different stylistic choices. I don’t hear her using scream or growl so can she be classified as a metal singer? She’s a kpop singer that was trained in traditional pop way
no not really. minnie's high note in hwaa was strained asf and sounded odd. im tired with agencies giving idols high notes when they can't even hit them, it's terrible for their vocal chords
@@eubianchi7824 you mean Chest voice dominant? Head voice is much lighter than that. She sounded like she was yelling for help towards the end of that note. And I'm willing to admit this as a fan even if that is one of my favorite songs by them.
the way my mouth flew wide open when i saw siyeon didn't support. girl's ability to hold her notes, belt perfectly and trick you into thinking she's a good vocalist is astounding
she has good tone and shes a good artist with her stylistic choices but that doesnt make her a good vocalist... her technique is bad but she sounds good bc shes a stylistic singer not a technical one... her queendom stage of instagram i thought was rly good cuz it played to her strengths rather than them making her belt in hwaa when miyeon shouldve done that
@@NeverlandXidle i mean yeah but i’d rather have an idol sing who’s voice i don’t like than force a less skilled idol to potentially ruin their voice for the sake of aesthetics 😭
Just a friendly reminder, YOU CAN STILL ENJOY and be proud of your favorite singers whenever you think they sounded good / put up a good performance whether they’re supporting or not. Don’t be discouraged when you stan someone who can’t support. I know sometimes (well… quite frequently, tbh) people use technical arguments to degrade singers that you happen to enjoy or praise. Like, I’ve seen this a lot in Eunha’s case: people were just praising her out of their own enjoyment like “SLAY SHE HIT THE HIGH NOTE!” then suddenly a bitter vocal enthusiast decides to butt it and comment “No, she’s straining so much.” Like, what??? Those who praises her still enjoyed her singing though, so what’s the problem? She sounds good to them regardless, so they have every right to praise her. For some people, hearing their favorite singers sounds good is enough. You don’t have to care whether it’s supported or not just to enjoy or praise them. If you only enjoy singers who can support then it’s fine too, really. Just don’t go around telling people “No, she doesn’t sound good.”when you know damn well people can have different standards and care about different things.
@@zafiqzayyan7196exactly. all those "I'm vocally trained" persons be ruining it all by their dissapointed comments, "she's straining". As if they're bad singer. At last, it's the normal listener fans who's gonna hear and like them. does it even matter if they can support or not? cuz they are already hella talented. and they're more famous than many singers who can do the support or whatever for their own talents and uniqueness. it's not like they lack and are not fit to be called good singer. "your fav's strains and can't do this, that", as if they are know it alls knowing all the musical terms or the singing types.
the thing is that dreamcatcher learned to use rock vocalizations during their practices. yeah, they said that in a recent interview. this genre requires less diaphragmatic breathing and more energy, so "supporting" the notes is not what the group is supposed to do - although siyeon can support, and so other members. they want to convey strong emotions and harsh, violent vocals. that's their uniqueness, and imo it's wrong to compare their techniques with other kpop idols. they're pretty talented, the fans like their singing style and, never forget, they are professionals. it's not a singing necessity, it's a choice
This is a dumb take, some of the best rock vocalists in the world have great support, support does not impede with rock stylistic choices, you can literally support and do stylistic things
@lily I’d rethink who has the dumb take when actual vocal coaches with more than TikTok degrees largely disregard support as a meaningful measure of anything.
@@strawberryinsomnia9188 actually I’m a trained vocalist, I’m not a “TikTok coach” nor am I using “support” exactly how the kpop vocal fans use it. Support can literally mean breath and diaphragmatic support, as in when you’re singing you’re supporting your notes with controlled breath and strong abdominal muscles, if you’re doing that then everything else comes easier/naturally sounds better, whether that’s placement, jaw/tongue tension, dynamics, you name it, once you start using support then almost all other aspects of your singing improve
Whether she is having support or not, Eunha's voice is one of the sweetest and pleasing vocals I ever heard. Also she is a skilled singer that's enough
@@pisceskitties she is using her head voice more than her chest voice. Because she can't support enough. Being skilled never just lies on supportingor not. Why y'all dwelling on that, she is skilled enough to be in tune with the song, she has good vocal control, she has good transitions from lower to higher notes. She is a good vocalist with enough skills.
Corrections: Minnie ((G)-IDLE) Underdeveloped Inconsistent shallow support around A3~G#4 Eunha (VIVIZ) Underdeveloped Used to support inconsistently in C4-G4 region Mia (EVERGLOW) Fringe weak Bb3/B3-G4/G#4 Siyeon (Dreamcatcher) Mid Weak - Average A3/Bb4-A4
@@Vermillion808 she is very tense but i wouldn’t say the worst. when she actually sings in her range she is good. but i agree sinB should be the main vocalist
Siyeon's voice is suited for rock music more, although I loved her rendition In almost every ballad song she's sung. But yeah, when singing live there's a lot of tension, they should train every idol to sing while exercising, jumping etc
one thing for sure, no one in viviz ever proclaim any position.. eunha nor their company ever confirm the postition of the member.. she is forever lead vocal for gfriend.. as long as yuju is there, she will never, nor ever proclaim anything.. all buddy, luvu, and navi understands this
They act like they expect in it just by read others comments then comment almost the same things. Add on some flavour from google to show they're knowledgeable 😂😂
Gonna say it again been singing for nearly 20 years now, I have friends who work professionally, never once outside of K-pop has anyone ever heard of support. It’s not real a random K-tuber made it so she could shit on idols she didn’t like
ppl need to also realize you don't necessarily *need* to have good support to be a good vocalist. good support is mainly for singing healthier and "properly" but in terms of it being "proper" why should it matter if it sounds good? singing is also a form of expression, there is really no need to be overly-critical if a vox does not have good support yet still blow you away with their vocal quality.
Sounding good is subjective rather than objective. When one uses a technique that damages/prevents a sound from sounding full/supported that's kind of on them lol Like Minnie being too airy, or Miyeon being throaty/tight. Just stuff like that that can easily be corrected within a couple of months.
@@Vermillion808 yeah which is why I said why should it matter if it sounds good ? It’s subjective so it’s not a big deal in terms of sound but if it’s about healthier singing then sure it’s a topic of discussion. But ppl are conflating good support with good vocals but it really. Just doesn’t matter.
It’s not necessary, support is not a meaningful metric, and in Siyeon’s case she’s already been singing for over a decade and is 110% aware of what she’s doing.
@@94mp99 nope. Wtf lol. Having support doesn’t automatically make you a better vocalist. Being the main vocalist doesn’t make you the better vocalist either, aka in Mamamoo, Solar is the main vocalist. They’re all relatively around the same level, Wheein’s technique is arguably better though. Anyway, support is what it sounds like, it SUPPORTS your voice and your singing, but you can be a good vocalist even with very weak support. You can have good support and be a pretty weak vocalist. It doesn’t matter as much as kpop stans are making it out to be lol.
Well, surprising to see Siyeon here. For insomnias, we wouldn't even care the support when it sounds good. You can talk abt your support somewhere else, but seeing people who says Siyeon is a weak vocalist or not even a vocalist just makes we insomnias feel so insulted, how abt you guys go up there and do your ''support''
@@francinev3971 well, many are saying she's a weak vocalist, if you didn't say abt that just ignore what i've said. We insomnia are calm and not dumb, if people are professional, do it somewhere else, Siyeon is good enough for us, it is all abt concepts, not becos their group doesn't get recognition and people could just talk whatever they like. People should apologise for not being able to respect her as a main vocal
I know support is the basics of singing, but what's the line between has support and being a good vocalist? Is the main purpose of vocal support to have a basic singing technique or is just exist to control your breathing and diaphragm so you don't hurt your vocal cords? I heard a discussion where some people said that having support doesn't make you a worse or better vocalist I particularly believe that the point of having a vocal support is to have security and it does not define you as a singer, but is this a matter of opinion or is there a single truth about it?
Yes, support is not the be all end all. You can be a super artistic and talented vocalist without it. Some people can literally strain throughout their whole range and never get damage either lmao. So it’s very questionable to ‘rank’ based SOLELY on support
Longevity is the line. Without it you can end up like Yuju from Gfriend - from being one of the best of her generation to 1 comeback (TFTMN) with the note you can't properly support and then unable to consistently belt things that were normal to you before. Then of course you have people who are born with the so-called "golden cords" who can do wild shit, to a certain extent, their whole life and being okay, but they're an extreme minority.
I think that supported notes are a bit rounder to listen to so prb more pleasant to hear, and u hv to hv support to hv resonance. But ofc some singers tone is capable of giving this quality without support
nah the basics of singing is relative pitch. basically being able to sing the right notes. a lot of singers can't support and a lot choose not to support as a stylistic choice. strained voices creates a different kind of texture or flavor from supported voices so they may opt to not use support instead even if they can.
Vocal coaches have literally said that ‘Support’ is not a thing. Literal KPOP delulu fans have made it a thing and this video is proof that support means nothing because they each have amazing vocal abilities like their stable vocals will outsing your faves who have ‘support’
@Miraculouspabu ah yeah, vocal coaches who create those baiting videos such as VOCAL COACH/TRAINER/MENTOR/WHATEVER reacts to *insert random kpop idol* who have trouble singing and supporting themselves. there used to be a really good page about vocal analyses where a guy did few pages of explaining what happens with idols' voices and where they support or not, only to give up because of some fans who have watched too many 'vocal coaches'. don't even get me started on Tristan whatever his name, he toxic af
what kind of vocal coach tells you that support is not a thing??? if it was the case, choir vocalists like myself wouldnt be active in the first place bc a lot of songs we need to sing are vocally challenging so we need a lot of support to be able to sing lots of hard melodies well. and many of kpop songs that are covered by main vocals are hard to sing. what kind of vocal coach would say that???
@@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan well, i AM a choir vocalist for over 10 years. so... take it as you will. i already made a comment explaining why vocal support is necessary but tl:dr - you need support so your vocals sound proper + you dont strain your voice. plus, feel free to ask anything about vocal techniques. im more than glad to help you enlighten more about it :)
Eunha does have support. But it is not very strong. She's got support in her low and mid register but not belt or upper register which is needed. Same thing with Minnie and Siyeon. And Mia does support. Her supported range is "A3-B4-D5"
Mia’s supported range is incorrect there’s no way she can support D5. To support that note she need to have skill at least like Taeyeon or Wendy and she can’t support B4 either even Rosé and Nayeon sometime struggle on keeping B4 supported
Vocal support is literally just being able to control and regulate your breath so you can sing both efficiently and consistently. Pop science vocal pedagogues have misinterpreted its meaning and physiology and spread a lot of misinformation about it. To be any kind of singer, you need a degree of vocal support. These singers might have some bad vocal habits or be inconsistent in how they support, but to say they "don't use vocal support" at all is just nonsense.
Tbh im really confused with this "supportes range" thing,They says Supported range is where your voice are relaxed,Free of tension and you sounds full which for me just the same thing as Tessitura works..Of course i breath support does exist but for me its not something that could be categorised as "Range",If you a good singer with excellent breath support and breathing technique,You have no problem singing higher notes but if you a undeveloped singer with a weak breath support and breathing technique you probably having hard times connecting your voice and staying up there without screaming your lungs out,For me everyone do have support...As long as human have diagraphm they can support,If a singer doesn't have "support" they wouldn't be able to sing even a note without cracking their voice,Its just how well your breathing technique is
@@catfish1752 yeah "supported range" isn't really a term that's commonly used outside of kpop (ppl do sometimes talk about supported voice/sound but that's not quite the same thing). I'd never heard of it before. In fact, there are absolutely no singing-related results if you search "supported range" in quotes on google until 2012(!) when it starts appearing......on kpop blogs. It really seems like somewhere someone who talks about kpop singing has either constructed this term to try and talk about tessitura without having to use a scary word, or mistakenly conflated a supported voice/sound (meaning a relaxed, balanced, "easy" sound) with the concept of breath support. It's not really an established term at all.
@@ChocolateBuono The funny thing is since then many kpop fans start throwing hate on these singers who "can't support" which is ridiculous 💀For Example The Eunha Girl in this video,For me,she's type of singers who delivers emotion/feels in her singing rather than technique based,someone like taylor swift and Billie Eilish,Her technique is there but she still have more room for improvement,If you listen to her previous album(GFRIEND) Their song is actually really vocally challenging,If you doesn't have Good breathing technique and Breath support,Singing even half of their song will be so tiring and she already killed it,for me it proved how good she as a singer is...What do you think?
@@catfish1752 yeah technique is obviously important but so is the ability to perform and convey emotion. I think a lot of kpop fans have a poor understanding of both vocal technique and performance
Some info I've gathered about Dreamcatcher... Correct me if I'm wrong....😊 Yoohyeon can support, Siyeon can support but shallow... she improved alot and her support range is also increasing ... SuA is now focusing on her vocal technique and maybe we'll get a lead vocalist SuA in future ...JiU focuses on her breathy and sweet sounding vocals which is why her vocals are undeveloped.... Handong is good at head voice...Gahyeon has a really good tone and improving day by day ... Dami is also focusing on her vocals nowadays but she's the main rapper so it's not necessary but she have alot of potential .... Hope to see Dreamcatcher as a well rounded vocal group with a strong enough vocal line in future ..... And these girls are improving so let's hope for the best future ❤️
Correction - Yoohyeon is a low average vocalist, Siyeon can support up to Bb4, she was misevaluated, as well as JiU and SuA, they're all said to be weak to average vocalists
Honestly, during Odd Eye era, Handong's voice is really good when she hits the chorus. She's a strong vocalist IMO, I was hoping she got another chance to sing in REASON's chorus but turned out she doesn't sing that much :(
If you listen to her, her notes are very tight due to her relying on tension more than actual support/openess. (Vs Yoohyeon, she is actually very good and is a solid lead/main vocal) She creates that kind of boldness by squeezing her cords and straining, which makes get sound very loud and bold, but very tight and thin. (Vs Taeyeon/Prime Yuju) Her singing style is more catered to rock, which likes tension, but is not healthy in the long run.
@@ckh.josephsiyeon has been singing this way for 9 years - or more - and she's actually improving by time. she used to be a band vocalist before joining the k-pop industry so trust me, rock indeed requires more energy and less diaphragmatic breathing, but it's not being unhealthy for her at all. if so, siyeon would've ended like yuju, but she's getting better as you can see in their latest comeback 'VISION' in which she has a F#5 sustained belt with vibrato, it was never done before
Eunha is not a main vocalist, she is the lead in GFRIEND and Viviz doesn't have official positions. She is very nasal and sometimes it can sound annoying, yes, yet she's still way better than some other "main vocalists"
@@sowhat_idontcare151 I think what she means is her tone is better than other main vocalists cuz if you hear her singing during her old days she literally has a very pleasing voice when her voice is not forced and more deeper
I have support upto C4 and I can't sing those notes with a full chest voice lol, how are they doing this without support and it's really dangerous 😳 Omg, guys update: so I was trying to learn whistle note but I didn't learn it, instead I accidentally tap into my mix-voice and oh my goodness it's was the best accident that had ever happened in my life I could mix up to F6😳 and now I can support upto C5(so my vocal range now is E2-F6 ) but my head voice is still unsupported 🙈
Male voices (assuming you support up to C4, a baritone) are generally deeper than Females, I cannot go higher than G4 when mixing/belting, but females (sopranos) have a regular ease around B4/C5 and could even be higher
@@hangezoe9479 like for real, my school does plays and I would always get the lead role and before I didn't have any support or know how to tap into my head voice so I always belt/mix really really high note(The notes are usually C5-G5) and now my vocal chord is a little damaged I always crack when going above C4.
@@Oliver-uz1fs well that's my most consistent supported note but on a good day I can support upto Eb4👍. My vocal range is not that impressive or a large vocal range because it's only E2-Gb5 (if on a good day sometimes I can go upto Ab5)😑 and I think I damaged my voice a lot of times because I always belt/mix Bb5(sometimes I lost my voice and my falsetto sound like a dog that got hit by a bus😂). Now I always dotch high note from E5 or I'll use my head voice 🤷
@@danielleng3900 same i just started learning about support even tho i have been singing since i was 8, recently got to know why my voice has been sounding throaty and strained
It’s because a) no one knows wtf they’re talking about, b) armchair “vocal coaches” mistakenly think support is a meaningful measure despite industry evidence to the contrary, and c) none of them have bothered to look at Siyeon’s vocals beyond the usual cherry picked clips (her whistle note in Minx at age 18? The fact she’s already been singing for 12 years?)
Guys, support isn't everything. Just as people say high notes and having a nice voice isn't everything it is the same for technique and support. People be solely judging a vocalist based off of support, forgetting everything else This is not directed at the video creator this is for all the people in the comments
sinb and umji are not forced to sing high and bright like eunha is. eunha's tone is recognizable because she squeezes her voice out unlike umji and sinb. it's what makes her stand out which is probably why she's the main vocal and the one given most belted high notes (because it has more impact and is more memorable than when umji or sinb would do it)
@Oli London and Jimin's son yuqi is lead and finally someone said it Minnie is legit overrated . Like in the fiction performance she was Amin vocalist and the best vocalist their chaeyeon was not treated as a vocalist. Chaeyeon never trained in vocals yet is higher then her
@Oli London and Jimin's son right like no offense to Minnie I love her, but if soojin was still in idle with only a bit training she easily can pass her.
Well, Siyeon is a rock vocalist and would prefer style rather than technique; it shouldn't mean she's a weak vocalist, she's just on a different category 🤷🏻♀️
@@marionicolasmartin I know that there are rock vocalists with support. However, Siyeon's spent all her life singing rock and barely any other genres and she chose style to go with from the beginning. If she's been doing just fine with techniques for rock, there's just no need for her to have support or what even if support means healthy singing since she's been taking good care of her throat for ages. Not all rock singers need support; have you listened to Ado yet?
It’s because she CAN support and “support” actually doesn’t mean much in terms of vocalists, but it’s too hard for uncredentialed internet randos to make videos on musicality and pitch.
Like all of them with vocal support or without vocal support, we can all agree that they can practice more so they can be the best they can be but I am proud at all of them
Just a note, and this was said under SooTzubae's community, Siyeon does support, not fully of course, but she does to some extend (she's around mid/high weak)
I feel like Siyeon can support but sounding more tight and screehy fits more with Dreamcatchers rock music, it feels like a stylistic choice rather then a lack of ability
From Sootzubae too. Siyeon is W-A even SuA too. Yoohyeon became an average vocalist she sound more fuller. Siyeon is around NaJeong level at best And around Hayoung level at least She just need more materials.
It's so crazy to me that many idols can't support... My singing teacher started teaching me support in my first ever lesson (of course it took me a while to really be able to support correctly but still)
Siyeon has shown support plenty of times, specially when singing calmer but high ballads, she can support, she just chooses not to sometimes bc of her style.
so, vocal support is when your breath is well-controlled and your diaphragm is engaged. ideally your vocal cords also merge well, and you should have little to no tension when you sing. essentially an umbrella term for healthy use of your body when you're singing. try listening to eunha's cover of atlantis princess versus taeyeon's. you can hear how taeyeon's sound is a lot more comfortable, open, and forward.
they didnt say they dont deserve the title. they simply said that these idols are main vocalists and that they don't have vocal support (when belting). it doesnt mean they're bad vocalists or they don't deserve the title
@@x..3998 She showed signs of it but it’s so weak that it can’t be considered shallow support. She’s not straining but if we put in the weak tier anyone who can sing without pushing in their mid range, a lot will get a pass. According to KVA she’s underdeveloped but not non-vocalist (at the same level as Mia from Everglow for exemple). But if you’re less strict with what you consider support she could be low weak.
@@vivian_h_ just because you’re a lead doesn’t mean you can’t have more parts than the main. Positions should be about technique, the songs can have any distribution (like twice)
@@MBJK_baby but singing as a whole is not just about technique 😭 your style, tone, musicality, etc also matter and minnie is a master of those things tbh i'd be fine with (g)idle having only one main vocalist, but i don't like it when people try to discredit minnie. her technique may not be the best, but she's an amazing performer.
@@vivian_h_ I’m not saying singing as a whole is only about technique. I’m saying positions should be based on technique. Minnie can have all the same parts she has now but be a stylistic lead like Nayeon from Twice, doing high notes and getting the most parts time to time. Sorry your too dumb to realize what I’m saying. Must be hard living with half a brain.
It can damage their vocal cords really badly if they continue for a long time and they eventually wouldn’t be able to sing again or they’re vocal cords would be damaged really badly
lol true. Based on what I heard from this video, she sounds a bit breathy which means that she might probably sung with diaphragm but kinda shallow or non consistent
@Illegal User • 162y ago (edited) she still has support, she just chooses to sing stylistically sometimes and that's why it sounds inconsistent. if you listen to her and sihyeons covers of a whole new world and leave the door open from their concerts in kazakhstan and kyrgyzstan, she uses her regular tone there and it sounds very different. also if you listen to their collab song ghost light her belting adlibs in the second chorus sound much fuller than say her belt in pirate's bridge
i noticed this short is months ago so while commenting this now feels like beating an already dead horse, i feel i need to add about what vocal support is based on my experience as a choir vocalist bc titles like this can be very misleading. (no hate to the idols nor the creator of the reel, bur just be more careful next time in giving titles for your shorts!) vocal support is necessary in singing bc it helps you prevent your voice from straining & project your voice in proper ways (chest, mixed or head voice) so you can hit notes on pitch, sing certain parts with various dynamics (loud or soft), and sing longer parts of a song. based on the shorts, the parts sung by the main vocalists DO need support bc the parts shown have belting, riffs, high notes and stylistic choices. singing in a certain style still needs support bc at the end of the day, you need to hit the right pitch with proper projection, and not to mention if it's a long part with many notes. i'll edit for any future changes. hope this explains better about vocal support :]
I have some questions to the people I'm the comments section. can any of you tell me the muscle you use to sing. I'm just curious to see if any of you know about singing. do any of you sing or talk vocals lessons. did any of you go to SCHOOL for music. are any of you in a band. please be nice leaving comments. thank you.
This is what I talk about when I say not all good vocalists have to support and/or have a big range. Miyeon and Minnie are both main vocals but when soyeon produces songs she struggles to imagine Miyeon and that’s why Miyeon is more hidden even if she’s the better vocalist technique wise. Soyeon writes in perfect parts for Minnie to shine which makes her seem like a better vocalist. Positions are never 100% based on who’s the best vocalist in the group but is more based on the songs that the company wants to put out. A few Dreamcatcher members would technically have better techniques than siyeon but since siyeon has a great belting voice and insane vibrato they used that to their advantage making her a main vocal because she gives off the vibe that she is classically trained making her an insane vocalist as well.
Miss Eunha has vocal support, just not in the case of highnotes she gets from BPM Entertainment. She obviously show cased her lower register and better high note performances with Gfriend. In Viviz yes she doesn't show good support as "Bop! Bop!" And Queendom's "Red Sun" you hear a few strained high notes.
