Mainline Diesel - LMS 10000 

My Granddad was an engineer on this - he died before I was born. He is in a white boiler suit with a black beret.

@@cathypearson5844 Wouldn't it be lovely to have met them. Did he live in London ? My Grandfather lived in Willesden

@@mrpepperman He lived in Rugby. It would have been great to know them- to hear the stories. They are part of history

@@cathypearson5844 I’d loved to have met my grandfather, I thought if he’d lived down south they might have gone to the same pub and my Dad who also worked on the railway might have known him

Aye, and no ear defenders worn in the engine test shed!

Yes and no gloves for the rocker slapping...

I would like to have been the asbestos sprayer.

Yep, that's what happened then, and now people spray their gardens with Glyphosate. Will we ever learn?

Mmmmm, yummy asbestos.

Probably because we didn't have much of our own oil supplies, we had and still have plenty of coal. So it was more economic until the 1950s to rely of domestic coal supplies. However, post-war the quality of those supplies were not as good as pre-war supplies.

isn't 10001 preserved?

Skog no, none of the LMS or SR designs were saved. They were withdrawn from service around the time steam was being withdrawn and all of the enthusiasts wanted to save steam locomotives.

Very much so. Could have done without the frantically jaunty music as well!

That should have been the aim to hear the loco. The only time i saw the pair was standing silent on Willesden shed .

Back in the day when cameras only captured pictures. Sound was added in the editing room. In line with newsreels of the time, I doubt if anyone thought the 'live' sounds were important.

If lungs are full of tar, that probably makes inhaling asbestos less dangerous as it is probably (/maybe) all coughed up and out. Have a nice evening though!

One of the men working on this is my grandad- he always had a cigarette in his mouth! Every photo there is of him.

The dangers of cigarettes have bee recognised since the 1920s but the danger of asbestos was realised until the 1970s.

Must have been a Voodoo train:-)

Yeah they started putting the end plates on and all of a sudden it was a dance party! Was a nice video like you said though.

Meanwhile over in Doncaster they were reviving the NER's plans to electrofy the ECML at 1500V, starting with the Woodhead routes and the suburban routes out of Liverpool Street.

EM1 and 2s :-)

Just think class 40.

So it’s not great now, post Tory brexit, with 11 years of Tory governance? What went wrong then?

My Uncle George started his career with the LNER in 1946 but asbestos killed him prematurely. He was probably exposed to it as a carriage cleaner later a signalman.

steve payne I think the point was it had already ceased to do so.. or at least was failing

@@TheOneTrueTiggs no we were still exporting locomotives until into the 1960s. But numbers were falling.

Neil of Longbeck I find it very sad that we gave the world railways and these days very little from locomotives to ticket machines is produced if not in Britain by a British company. When we do invent something half way through we decide it's too expensive to develop and sell the technology abroad for peanuts. I refer specifically to the Pendolinos the tilting technology is from the APT which BREL was forced to sell to the Italians for £70000 they made the technology work and now sell the trains to us for 70,000,000 a pop. Sadly we will never get any of this industry back as we no longer have people with the will or skill sets and even if we did we no longer have the infrastructure or the support industries that we so wantonly discarded in the eighties and nineties.

@@philnewstead5388 what sadder is that the Spanish had tilting trains in the 1950s and the Italians had them in the 1960s (the original Pendalino). FIAT had tilting ENUs in service in 1976 between Roma and Ancona, knocking over half an hour off the journey time. The first active tilt trains in Spain, the Talgos were passive swing, were the Class 432 EMUs which entered service in September 1972. So what did Britain actually invent in regard to tilting trains? BR sold off the patents when in 1986 the government would not allow them to continue spending money if the APT-S.

Blinkered view. The UK was importing Sulzer prime movers very early into the diesel transition.

Darude : sandstorm

I have an asbestos duvet, it's fine!

MotoCrazy66 Keeps the heat in very nicely!

Also good against corrosion.

True enough, the asbestos MK1 leccies we had at my depot didn't seem to rot as easily as those that were stripped of it !

20 years ago they discovered that one of the hospitals here had it's entire steel framework sprayed with Asbestos in the 50's while they were building it. That's why there are not too many old carpenters here.

Agreed on all counts. Railways should have switched over to electricity 100 years ago. UK Politicians have spent over 100 years thwarting this in various ways. The Grouping of rail companies was their first move. If this hadn't have happened the LS&BCR would have extended their 6700v ac electrification and perhaps the Midland would have electrified Derby to Manchester. York to Newcastle and Middlesborough would have been electrified at 1500v dc too. Politicians play dumb but act crafty.

There was no interest from the presevationists at that time for preserving diesels, they only wanted steam at that time.

Sad to hear. These two diesels were an iconic milestone in UK rail traction. The 37s appear similar so a 1947 design was a "Right First Time" technology. Well done Ivatt. He should have been knighted!

They did know, Asbestos related lung cancer was identified in the 1930s.

@@beyergarret123 oh, ok, well they where not very conscientious about it!

@@TDIMAXDIESEL No Max, they certainly wasnt, the stuff was everywhere on the railway, not just on the locos, I was affected by it in the 70s working on the Permanant Way and my cancer didnt appear until over 30 years later, although in remission at the moment thankfully, it was and probably still is a time bomb for many people.

@@beyergarret123 wow, this is incredible! Thanks!

@@beyergarret123 as far as I can see the link was discovered in 1943 in Germany but ignored until a 1960 study conducted in South Africa.

Nuthing like a nice set of hooters.

@@fdegeorge2000 24 inch Grovers!

let's bring back hat culture^^ ;)

Asbestos also helped to prevent rust.

Grenville Bamford - sorry? I didn’t quite hear that? 👌😁

The original Moderisation plan was to buy small batches of a few designs and test them to find out what work and what dudn't. However, the BTC was pressurised into buying large batches of these designs and other designs, few of which were fit for purpose. The engine used here has been developed over the years to eventually produce around double the hp.

It is of it’s time 😀

Philip Hearn as a retired kiwi driver who was qualified for both US and British diesels I can say that the Brit mainline units were crap. Which is a shame because I’m an Anglophile in most things.

The Dutch took a fleet of 350hp shunters with EE engines that are almost identical in layout to the Class 08.

Torque is not relevant at all because it is electrically driven. This means you can simply run either engine at its maximum power point, to have literally any amount of torque to the wheels as long as you stay within the rating of the traction motors. Same is valid for CVTs. 1600hp is 1600hp. A higher or lower torque number merely says at which engine speed the power is delivered. In other words, if you spice up Bugatti's engine a bit to deliver 1600hp, it can haul as heavy trains as the big diesel can. The main difference is that the Bugatti is designed to be very lightweight, and not designed to run at maximum power for hours on end, hundreds of hours per year. It will wear out quickly in train service.

LimaVictor m

LimaVictor not really beacuse if you theory is right i could have a 1200 cc bike and a 1200cc tractor if you put a generator on the bike it will stall out because it has not enough torque but the tractor despite having less hp will continue to run

@@pietrorita You clearly do not understand the physics behind it. The more powerful engine will allow you to draw the biggest amount of power from the generator. A kilowatt is a kilowatt, regardless where it comes from. The tractor may be able to spin the generator at a lower speed, but it will not get up to the rated speed of the generator if its power is too low. The bike engine, properly geared and assuming its power output is high enough, will not have any problems as long as it is running at the rev range in which it can supply the required power. It is all simple physics. Read some old text books.

LimaVictor yes you are right excuse me for the misunderstanding! :-)

Bloody awful kettles...