Make Your Own PRECISION Setup Blocks! - Save $$$ UPGRADE Your Shop!

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Precision tools are essential in metal working.
They are also very expensive, the more accurate a tool, the higher the price tag.
Generally, we don't have a large budget to throw around int he hobby shop, but we make up for that in creativity and ingenuity!
Today I'll be showing how I made a matched pair of precision setup blocks for my horizontal milling machine.
Accurate setup tools like these can save a lot of time and effort on the milling machine by allowing fast, versatile, and accurate fixtures for machining ops.
So, grab a set of drawings from my Patreon and follow along as we walk through the process of making these useful tools!
My Lathe: MSC / Prince 9517350 - 13x40 Manual Metal Lathe
My Milling Machine: Bridgeport Variable Speed Series 1 "J Head"
My other Milling Machine: Brown & Sharpe No. 2 Plain "light type" Universal Milling Machine
CREDITS:
Music and Sound Effects courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
/ @hersch_tool

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5 июн 2024

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@jimsvideos7201 27 дней назад

Nice bit of handiwork. Making your own 1-2-3 blocks is a bit extra but making something custom like this is time well-spent.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

thanks very much. yeah 1-2-3 blocks are cheap enough for a decent pair, but a custom precision set of setup blocks will hopefully come in handy on the old B&S. thanks for watching btw!

@ThantiK 27 дней назад

Hah, I love the this-old-tony style blips in this episode :D

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

Thanks very much! And thank you for watching :)

@improviseddiy 26 дней назад

A handy set of fixture blocks!

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Thanks!

@syldysnya 27 дней назад

Looks good!

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

thanks 🙂

@DudleyToolwright 25 дней назад

I love your horizontal mill.

@hersch_tool 25 дней назад

Haha thanks, me too! I love these old mechanical mills.

@zoltannagy1813 27 дней назад

Nice work.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

thanks!

@Papou_Pete 25 дней назад

Great video.

@hersch_tool 25 дней назад

Thank you!

@jameshisself9324 27 дней назад

Interesting. That 'USAAF' etching on the B&S interface if it is what I think it is dates that to around the end of WW2. The USAAF left the Army and become the independent 'USAF' in 1947. Great video, thanks.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

yeah i think you're probably right. it's super cool to think about the history of some of these old tools, i love it. and thanks for watching!

@Warped65er 27 дней назад

RIP Shell Mill ... Nice project and thx for the vid.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

yeah bummer, and thanks!

@Rustinox 26 дней назад

And even if they get beaten up, nothing can stop you from grinding them again.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

yep, just more practice for the grinder!

@marley589 27 дней назад

When you ground the sides they were not set square to the ends. The key slots will not be the same distance from the ends so will not sit on the same plane using keys.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Hmm, I'll have to look into what I did there. Definitely have a LOT to learn when it comes to grinding. Thanks very much!

@marley589 26 дней назад

@@hersch_tool Thanks, Faces first, then sides square to faces, then ends. The ends need to be square in two directions, in your case the first end could be held between a pair of vee blocks, they will locate square on both the faces and the sides.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

@@marley589 Ahh, ok I see what you're saying, that makes sense immediately as I picture it. And it never even occurred to me to use vee blocks... learning every day. Thank you for taking the time to pass some knowledge, I can't even tell you how incredibly helpful it is for me and I really appreciate it.

@richardjones1022 20 дней назад

Those Blocks are 1018/A36 Cold Rolled Steel. The dead give away was the original cold rolled mill scale on the raw bar stock. You can send them out to be Case Hardened if you want them to resist ware. Great video! Thanks for sharing

@hersch_tool 19 дней назад

Yeah I'm not super concerned about hardening them so I'm ok with it. I'll use em till they get beat up and then make an even better pair with all the practice I'll get between now and then lol. Thanks very much btw, and thank you for watching!

@markschweter6371 12 дней назад

If that's the case, shouldn't they be stress-relieved at least ?

@kevinmullen4352 24 дня назад

Always use coolant when grinding

@MultiXGoDz 24 дня назад

Good job on the parts. You might want to either dress your wheel or try a softer/harder wheel depending on if the part is heat treated and what type of material it is. Grinding can be quite confusing at first with all the different grits and everything, but that will come with time. Glad to see you are taking on the challenge.

@hersch_tool 24 дня назад

Thanks very much. And yeah, grinding seems to be its own complex skill set. A bit of an art, but also a science, sprinkled with a little arcane black magic, and smooshed between two halves of a skill sandwich. lol. But I'm looking forward to continuing to challenge myself, learn and practice more as it's obviously well worth it for the possibilities that grinding unlocks. Thanks for watching btw, I appreciate it.

@RustyInventions-wz6ir 27 дней назад

Nice work sir. Very handy to have. I have not used mine much. I suppose it will change when I get a mill

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Thanks very much! And yeah I'm just getting around to really using my grinder as well, had it for a while. But definitely hoping to get more use out of it now that I've "broken the ice" ;)

@ellieprice363 26 дней назад

I wouldn’t trust that B & S cam holder as much as the threaded one. Something about that deep cam on one side of the tool messes up my OCD.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

yeah i'm kinda with you on that. i've already had it let go on me once and cause a serious crash. granted it was on standard 30 taper modified to work with the cam, but still... i like the fact that i have the vertical head as an option but i'd much rather use that beefy 40 taper

@Michel-Uphoff 24 дня назад

Nice work! There's a good chance you've ground a parallelepiped. You forgot that the ends should be square in two directions, instead of one. These types of blocks seem to me to be an excellent candidate for case hardening followed by again very light grinding.

@hersch_tool 24 дня назад

Yeah you're absolutely right about the ends. This was my first time grinding something so I still have a LOT to learn lol. Now that I've had a few days to think back over the project I think that I'd definitely like to harden them and then give them another once over on the grinder to fix some of those mistakes from the first attempt. Really enjoyed the process though and beginning to learn the grinder so definitely will be doing more in the future.

@Michel-Uphoff 24 дня назад

@@hersch_tool Is it hardenable steel? The stock bar looks like cold rolled steel to me. That would be a pity, because cold rolled steel can deform annoyingly when heated. What you could do is heat the steel in a closed container with aquarium carbon and some washing soda for 3.5 hours at 900 degrees. Then the carbon soaks approximately 1 mm deep into the steel. Then quench it in water and you have created a quite hard and durable outer layer. Then adjust to size under the surface grinder. I do hope the steel doesn't deform too much..

@hersch_tool 24 дня назад

@@Michel-Uphoff yeah that's the problem, I'm not really sure of the type of steel. That's why I decided not to try and heat treat it in the original vid. I bought a couple hundred pounds of steel from a local shop for $100 bucks a while ago, great deal but the only issue is it's all mystery metal... Definitely cold rolled though from the finish I'd say.

@hersch_tool 24 дня назад

@@Michel-Uphoff case hardening is a solid plan though. Also something I've not done yet so would be a good learning experience as well

@nerddub 27 дней назад

are you planning on filming your inspection of these blocks on a surface plate? would be very interesting to see how accurate these beautiful blocks came out! awesome project! easy to watch the whole video, you did great!

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

I had wanted to squeeze some inspection into this video but honestly I just ran out of time. By the time I took them off the grinder I had about a day and a half to edit, thumbnail, etc and get it posted for Thurs publish, and I REALLY didn't want to push it out another week as it was already 2 weeks between vids for me. Thanks very much btw, I really appreciate the watch, and the positive feedback not only is gratifying but it's incredibly helpful to hear when I'm doing something right. Im learning everyday and trying to get better so thank you!

@fna-wrightengineering 27 дней назад

Nicely done! The blocks turned out really well. I've only recently used my surface grinder for an actual project, and I agree it can be a bit nerve wracking. But experience (and RU-vid) are good teachers, so I'm sure you'll get the hang of it relatively quickly, and start turning out better and better parts. Though do yourself a favor... Find or make a cover for that grinding wheel. As you found out, crashes do happen, and they tend to be much more violent on a grinder.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

thanks very much! and yeah it's on my todo list. i'd like to make a cover with integrated dust collection i think.

@bernhard_derProtoTyp 27 дней назад

Nice! Thanks for sharing! You‘ll for sure enjoy using these! When you described the sk30 taper I was wondering if you could just modify standard (and cheap) sk30 tooling? Would love to have a quick change system on my mill. Fehlmann has a very neat system too, using balls instead of a cam if I understand correctly.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Yeah you can definitely modify standard 30 taper tooling, the only thing is it's usually hard as nails and it's a bit of a PITA. I do have an ER32 collet chuck that's been modified to work in the vertical head. And thank you very much for watching!

@joell439 27 дней назад

shiny 👍👍

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

Thanks!

@robertharper8776 27 дней назад

Got to toot your own horn! I know 90% of my projects don't get seen by anyone. Thanks for your efforts hopefully us poor people in RU-vid land can give you some recognition

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

thanks very much, i do appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment, makes it all worth it!

@johnspathonis1078 27 дней назад

Very nice job. Just a bit concerned with the sharp edges for two reasons. The main reason is an edge ding will stop the surface lying flat. A cut hand will heal itself but an out of square job will not. 🙂Cheers.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

Thanks very much! And yeah very true, I may yet do something about the edges. Thanks for watching btw!

@strykerjones8842 26 дней назад

The B&S tool holder has USAAF engraved on it. I believe that stands for United States Army Air Force, the precursor of the USAF which was founded Sep. 18 1947. That tool holder is at least 77 years old .

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Yeah, I think that's just super cool. I love the history in some of these old tools.

@skyfreakwi 27 дней назад

I told my friend what I was buying and what it did he promptly said "What? That's the stupidest machine I've ever heard of!" Once you get past that and get the damn thing moved into your basement and get the first couple a parts ground it starts looking better after the first couple a tools you grind in it starts becoming your new secret favorite tool. If I can grind or mill a part odds are I'll grind it. It's cathartic, fulfilling and accurate. I just gotta get some finer wheels.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

I agree! I guess sometimes it's overlooked because it isn't as flashy of a tool as a lathe or a mill, but it's powerful and is what takes your projects to that next level. And it "seems like" it would be pretty straightforward to use, but there is a quite an art to grinding lol. I haven't even got the basics down yet, but am looking forward to learning more about it. Thanks for watching!

@haydenc2742 27 дней назад

Are you going to blue them for rust resistance? Very cool tooling upgrade...and that grinder will DEFINITELY help make sure all your tooling is square and parallel! Oh an if not running flood coolant on the grinder...would a "cooler mister" setup work? Keep em coming!!!!

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

i considered "heat bluing" but ultimately decided not to bother. i've never tried cold blue but in general i haven't really liked the results i see from it. if i'd have hardened them then i would have tried heat bluing though, just tempering to a blue color basically. i would like to get flood coolant on the grinder though for sure!

@robertfontaine3650 26 дней назад

Very handy tools but yup hardening will come back and bite you if this wasn't just a video for youtube.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

You may very well be right. Thanks for watching!

@jeremylastname873 27 дней назад

Turn the vise 90°?

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

That unfortunately only solves the problem in a small handful of situations. Thanks very much for watching!

@mfs5493 27 дней назад

Why didn't you grind the blocks BEFORE you started the milling work?

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

It wouldn't make any sense to do so, grinding is far more accurate that any cutting operation. Thanks very much for watching!

@glhays6832 27 дней назад

Wait just a moment there, YT watchers 😢 aren't your boss? Whattttt. Great video thumbs up 👍 to you.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

Haha, maybe just a little bit? Thanks very much for watching!

@dagorithe 26 дней назад

Why did the piece come loose? Were you taking too big a bite with the shell mill? 4:53 Love the videos.

@hersch_tool 25 дней назад

I think it really just boils down to inexperience. I had the cutting forces attempting to lift the part from the table and not enough support to overcome those forces. Could I have gotten away with it by taking lighter cuts? Maybe? But I wasn't taking huge cuts either way. It was really just me lol, not taking everything into account. Thanks very much btw. I really appreciate it and am grateful for you taking the time to watch!

@grippgoat 27 дней назад

Where's the segment where you inspect them on the surface plate to show off how precise and matched they are? 😂

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

Haha, yeah I should have included some inspection, I just ran out of time! Thank you for watching!

@PaulSteMarie 27 дней назад

The bottom half of that sine plate is really odd. How they got the bottom of the pin in the groove to align perfectly with the flat section of the base is beyond me.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

A bit of fancy math I guess? Beyond my pay grade... ;) Thanks very much for watching!

@mikejurisic 24 дня назад

break those corners

@hersch_tool 24 дня назад

😉

@voodoochild1954 26 дней назад

You may have already said it in a previous video but what camera are you using? Your video quality is spectacular.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Thank you very much, I appreciate it. I'm just using my 4 year old phone. I would like to learn to use a good camera though at some point in the future.

@voodoochild1954 26 дней назад

@@hersch_tool Wow! That is great results with just your phone.

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

@@voodoochild1954 Thanks, I legitimately work really hard on these vids. I normally record several different variations of shots for any given segment and then I'll choose the best one. This is especially exciting when I'm filming machining segments as I'm literally running around the machine trying to get the camera set, film for a few seconds, move camera, repeat... haha.

@voodoochild1954 25 дней назад

@@hersch_tool well it shows. Very nice work!

@camillosteuss 27 дней назад

Nice... Btw, am i just overdoing it with fume huffing, or have i just seen the grinder for the first time in your shop?(will be the best thing if i watched a whole video and left an a4 long essay of a comment on it, while totally forgetting all about it...) Also, damn, i would have literally hurt myself if i had such a crash on my machines... Dayum... I guess it goes to show that there is no such thing as an over-constrained setup... If it ain`t as tight as a nuclear bunker, it ain`t good enough - give `er more clamps, for the thoughts of crashes give me the cramps... Best regards! Steuss

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

lol to the first question, highly possible... 😂 to the second question, nah you didn't miss anything this is the first time it's popped up. and trust me, the crash hurt, bad... lol

@camillosteuss 27 дней назад

@@hersch_tool yuh, no shit, that crash would have driven me mad... i`m still pissed about a crash i had with my baby emco like the second time i used her, i still have to fix the resulting issue... the quill binds a bit at the top of the stroke... i haven`t yet detected why... the handle of the quill actuator crashed quite slightly into the table as i was lowering the head... i took the gear out, but found no shaft bending or anything sus... still makes me want to slit my wrists when i think about it... Glad to know that this is the first time the grinder appeared, a decent sanity check... A somewhat needed one :P

@jasonhull5712 26 дней назад

Toot away my friend… wait a minute…

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

😂😂😂 wait... 😳 lol

@Coopedupintheshop 26 дней назад

Hey I'm still interested in getting in contact with you to send the other 2 of my BS tool holders. Let me know!

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

Yeah definitely! You can shoot me an email directly through the channel. If you click on the main channel page it's listed there. I don't think I can type it here but it's just hersch . tool @ gmail . com Just remove all the spaces lol. Would love to hear from you and we can sort it out!

@NightsReign 17 дней назад

So, 17:05 Did NASA force you to sign an NDA? Blink twice if Yes. Blink thrice if they're in the room with you right now. 👀

@hersch_tool 17 дней назад

I am answering this of my own accord, and am in no way being coerced by armed astronauts wearing ski masks… 🤐

@NightsReign 8 дней назад

@@hersch_tool Who knew engineers could be so...threatening? Also, are they employing the astronauts as muscle now? I mean, makes sense, they are commissioned officers at peak fitness. ERRR, uhhhh, oh wow! That was a pretty crazy improv script I was just reading, right? Haha. Apropos of nothing, I still can't believe they outsourced the shuttle redesign, from NASA, to Space X. The disrespect... What I was meaning to say was, Roger that! Tracking 0 blinks. All clear on the Western front. Message ends. *NOTHING FOLLOWS*

@SergeiPetrov 27 дней назад

Not a single measurement on camera? )) And having a surface grinding machine, it was necessary to harden this equipment

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

I wish I'd have included some inspection footage in hindsight.

@RobB_VK6ES 24 дня назад

Your blocks moved because you were climb milling. Definitely not a recommended process on an old manual mill for anything but a fine fish pass. Essentially the cutting forces dragged the block under the cutter, greatly increasing the feed rate because the lead screw has backlash. Second observation. When clamping the work piece with strap clamps keep the clamp nearly parallel to spread the load and to maintain full contact of the stepped packers. Also keep the clamp bolt close to the workpiece. This ensures the majority of the clamp force acts on the workpiece rather than the packer block.

@hersch_tool 24 дня назад

I wasn't climb milling when the blocks moved, I was conventional milling. The cutter lifted the blocks like I described in the vid. This old machine doesn't like climb milling, not even for finish passes. Thanks though I appreciate the advice either way.

@user-hz1ry4cd2r 19 дней назад

Используй СОЖ, а не так жидкость, что ты используешь.

@hersch_tool 19 дней назад

масло отлично подходит для этой мельницы. Спасибо за просмотр.

@stevesfascinations1516 27 дней назад

I just received spam from you via patreon. So much for watching your videos. Bye.

@hersch_tool 27 дней назад

i haven't sent anything to anyone from patreon, ever. matter of fact, i don't even know how you would do that or if it's even possible. so why don't you check your facts before throwing accusations. but whatever, bye.

@branchandfoundry560 26 дней назад

@@hersch_tool Fwiw Welcome this comment. You really only want true friends. Be glad when the fair weather friends fade away. The rest of us are here for you 👍

@hersch_tool 26 дней назад

@@branchandfoundry560 Thanks very much, I appreciate the kind words. Honestly, it can be a little frustrating. I looked, there's no way you can send anything to anyone from Patreon. It's ridiculous. But people like this, they are angry with themselves for some reason or another, directing it towards some random target. It has nothing to do with me.

@branchandfoundry560 26 дней назад

@@hersch_tool You're totally right. We have to find happiness within before we can find it with others. Keep on keepin' on!