Making a Synthwave Beat and Talking About the NI MASCHINE+ 

yeah, and mixing different reverbs doesn't generally sound that great anyway.

@@KL-tn1xc it frequently does, but you can't have both set to the same wet level and pre-delay, plus playing up their strengths helps, such as combining a warm/dark reverb with a brighter/colder one

I know they put the most used macros on the first page to edit faster but I also know its an imperfect solution for people who really want to use those synths at full capacity. I'm having a hard time seeing how any stand alone unit that doesn't have a huge screen could make that work though? Only thing I can think of really is some type of companion app where you can pull it up on a ipad or something?

@@nickgilday8946 just put the remaining parameters on additional parameter pages, I don't know why they didn't do this from the start, it is mind-boggling

I've done almost exactly that for native instruments. Check their RU-vid for red means recording videos

The Maschine is not very limited, you have to think about the way you are working like every Pad has it's own effect chain, Group A1, 16 Pads, and sometimes you have different Reverbs on it, delete them and make a send effect and you have a lot of free CPU...

@Unique Pros I would say, it depends on your workflow and what you own. When you record with the M+ itself you need phantom power, something like the R0de NT4... If you have a audio interface with XLR input and phantom power, it would be easier to record with the interface in the DAW. Because i own the NT4, i can go both ways for me.

Me tooooooooo Mick

... and a year later I'm going to be back at it :) missing luxurious pads and creativity independence

Use send effects and you'll cut cpu usage to 1/3 of what the presets use. If you look at some of those presets you'll notice you have 15 reverbs 5 compressors 8 delays. You can use a send instead and have a fraction of the cpu usage.

two M+s is a bit over the top, enough to make it impractical over a midrange laptop + Mk3 controller

How about no. Dumbest piece of unwanted advice I’ve heard in a minute.

​@@heffe4257 The first two methods work and the third method is obviously sarcasm Heffe.

I think it is confusing.

@@mdjey2 lol

**Live II

@@iwillnevergetone5 the one, live/live2/x all function exactly the same

@@hip360hop sure, on paper & with the firmware. i meant the diff layouts and physical variants that all equal a slightly different experience for each. Similar to how a strat and les paul function the same, but there are still vast differences w them

Oh that is neat

Yea not sure what cpu is in this, if it had an Apple m1 chip it would be an instant purchase. As it stands though might be better to just get a laptop or Mac mini and external controller.

+1 to all that. It seems good at what it does... but I find that there's not much overlap between what it does and what I want while making songs. It's designed for people whose creative process is very different than mine.

It comes with a drum machine and bass synth to make your own presets. Also has massive. And a sampler. What is your problem? Laziness?

It comes with the massive synth . You can make your own presets

Sadly true

ohhh i found it in prism, but not through the browser in maschine. Thats always the same problem with maschine, you have a browser and mostly you do not find the appropiate items. The items which are in the part of the files but not shown in the browser. So as always you have to get help from the apple finder.

You can't!

this should definitely be changed!

No. You can't. Sadly.

@@RedMeansRecording yes you can! Watch some other tutorials from other youtubers. They are really well at explaining it! :D

No. I have all the packs already.

and cheaper also

you can do that to with machine - you just need to think a little deeper, and more program oriented, not easy if you easily fall into the easy to use work flow :D

@@MantequillaConPollo yeah it don’t sound like he even used it. I get the limits of the + but the Mk3 is toe to toe with anything out

Touch screen, battery and decent speakers for the live 2. I just don’t get the Maschine + at twice the price of the Maschine mk 3.

The Maschine+ seems to give you a vast repertoire of curated sounds and sound engines for the user to quickly and easily crank out well-produced tunes but it seems to lack the ability to get into the nitty gritty of what goes on under the hood. The deluge allows for greater ease and control of external midi and is an incredibly dope sampler, although it’s FXs are subpar and it’s synth engine is mediocre. True sound design is a strong suit of neither instrument. Deluge is more unique and allows user to make potentially more unique and individualized music that isn’t rooted in pre-curated sounds. It’s cheaper and lacks many features of the Maschine+ but what it does do it does either incredibly well or well enough. Oh and the Deluge takes on the soul of the user while the Maschine+ allows the user to customize the soul of Native Instruments.

got the deluge, here's my 2 cents. sadly i don't have the machine+ myself, but i checked the hardware out with a quick search, and it's running a quad core cpu, which sounds dated to me. you won't get PC performance out of it, stacking tons of plugs and vst instances isn't gonna be a great idea. but if you're a sampling type of guy it'd be hard to run into limitations, it has 4gb ram which should be plenty if you're not loading in a ton of kontakt patches, and cpu wise, sampling is as cheap as it can be. the only things you'll have to worry about is the FX you put on your samples. and even then i still think you can run a few instances of massive regardless, it isn't that much of a hungry synth. the deluge has a different workflow, so that part depends totally on taste, the only thing i can say is that if you're not good at punching in note recordings the deluge would have a more direct / faster workflow for entering notes manually. the fx of the deluge also don't sound that great, and the synthesis is limited compared to massive, and i really doubt the deluge has more synth voices then the maschine+ can handle. to me the only thing that is that the maschine lacks portability even though it's meant to be (you need a battery bank, and probably a fairly heft one at that to get a decent lifespan) and since the maschine+ isn't THAT portable you might as well get a regular maschine and hook it up to your PC right? no need to have the maschine+ right?

Deluge is about $600 cheaper right

Great way of putting it. Also the deluge gets major points for being able to easily integrate with eurorack

The Deluge was built to be exactly what it is. Everything in it was designed for the specific hardware it uses, so it's all integrated pretty well. It may or may not fit your workflow, but it is at least a powerful and coherent self-contained design. It also has had the benefit of years worth of refinement based on community feedback, so it solved most of the issues people had with it at launch. The Maschine ecosystem was designed to run on a full-size computer with internet access and DRM and a marketplace of commercial expansions. When it was converted recently to a piece of standalone (ish) hardware, a lot of things either were an awkward fit or had to be removed entirely. It was created by putting together independent components which were not designed to be used like this. That made the device difficult and expensive to create, which raised its cost significantly above other grooveboxes... and it also made the device itself relatively awkward to use. So a lot of people have opted to stick with the older Maschine. It works better in most ways and, even with the added expense of a computer, typically costs about the same total amount. As a result, the Deluge is pretty widely loved by almost everyone who has tried one... and the Maschine+ has gotten only lukewarm reception even from loyal fans.

I certainly hope the latter

Dope

I sold it

@@RedMeansRecording For real!?!?! Lol.

Guess that's a no.

Not too surprised. Trackers can be fun, but they're also rather unpleasantly like using a spreadsheet. I spent years making music in trackers, and even with more capable ones, it just felt too much like work. Trackers tend to encourage things to sound mechanical instead of organic, and I found it wasn't very conducive to maintaining a creative state of flow.

@@ToyKeeper I heard that was one of the gripes people had with trackers. I thought that I would like the nice organizational benifits but it probbably will make me feel like im in statistics again.

I'll be uploading stuff to patreon as soon as possible

@@RedMeansRecording Perfect, I just subbed to it yesterday 😎

Yeah if I didn't have a computer I would see the appeal but buying a cheaper standard maschine and getting access to vsts and my much more powerful computer seems way superior.

@@LiamFarleyMA if I didn't have a computer I think I'd just buy a computer for a lot less than this costs!

Yeah I don't know why more grooveboxes don't include hot asian women who demand that their parameters be adjusted

This is one of the things holding me back from getting one. He wasn't even doing that much and its already at 90 percent usage!?!?! What!?!?!

I think you just have to be really selective with the instruments you use. You can layer on quite a lot of sampler tracks, but virtual instruments like Massive patches tend to use a lot of CPU. Raum reverb uses a bit of CPU too. As a sampler, it's awesome. Really nice sampling/editing. As a synth, it kind of sucks for now (I agree with Jeremy that is just not so good if you want to create synth patches from scratch). I'm really surprised that it does not have a better interface for Massive - I mean, the engine is there - one of the best virtual synths of all time - and we can't program it from the box. Seems so fucking stupid to me! It is a great device though, don't get me wrong - I've had heaps of fun with mine. I think I've even started talking like a gangsta since having it

You can do that but yeah. It's like this is standalone but not. It needs updates

I have enough grove boxes... I have enough grove boxes... I have enough grove boxes... I have enough grove boxes... I have enough grove boxes... I have enough grove boxes...

You speaking on the maschine+ only? because I don’t want my maschine to behave like that at all

@@pwho405 i don't know much. i like the maschine interface but i dont want to browse on the maschine itself

They both offer a unique approach and challenges.

it’s much much better than the OP-1 in every way and he made millions of songs with that so it’s weird to get picky now

@@basehead617 Perhaps not _every_ way. I mean, OP-1 has a bit of an edge in terms of size and price and portability and learning curve and ability to create new presets... not to mention photogenics for video purposes. It's a nice little sketch pad for writing down rough song ideas without getting lost in little details. Just get it all out in one quick creative burst. That's what sketch pads are for. But the OP-1 is also super limited in a lot of ways, which makes it almost mandatory to export stems into a DAW to finish songs. Personally, if I were to get a groovebox now, it'd be either a MPC or a Deluge. They seem to be the two best options at the moment. But instead, I finally decided I was sick of having so many limitations and switched to a DAW. It's a nice change. I'll probably still keep my OP-1 though, so I can doodle when I'm not in my studio. And more generally so, when inspiration strikes, I'll have a sketch pad ready.