Making Methylamine 3 Ways 

Willy Wonka

​@@Gelatinocyte2 Woodrow Wilson?

Walter White?

🙌 You got me!

@@superman9693 No... Wonder Woman.

Thank you so much! And thank you as well for the advice. I've never read about implosion under vacuum, but I have enough experience that I had a gut feeling it was a possibility. So far I've avoided it by never pulling anything near a full vacuum and compensating with higher heat. My biggest implosion concern is always the liebig condenser.. the inner wall looks very thin, but I do feel the geometry of it makes it less likely to undergo implosion. What do you think? Is it mostly just a concern with erlenmeyer flasks?

@@integral_chemistry borosilicate is a relatively brittle glass, it just has low thermal expansion so its a lot safer to use in the thermally rambunctious setting of a laboratory. Under vacuum the glass would mostly be under compression, ergo depending on the vacuum level I dont see it as being much of an issue (again depending on the depth of the vacuum. There is a reason near perfect vacuum chambers where you cant suck molecules out anymore you have to hit them with something (ie, those super freaking cool oil vapor pumps, Ben on Applied Science has a video of a fully glass one in operation. its amazing) are made out of thick metals. The atmosphere does not have a sense of humor....). That being said, Im not discounting the OPs experience in having glass implode under vacuum, just like with heat it can be hard to see the flaws that will make them fail. And I can absolutely see a regulator going screwy and pulling far too hard. Then all youd need is a cheap thin piece of glassware in the apparatus and its a afternoon of clean up, neutralizing, decontamination, and thinking up an excuse for the hospital burn ward (nosy bastards.....uh, or so ive been told). It sucks throwing away money like this, but take some time and test things to failure. If theyre only tested to some point, you have no idea how close that point is to the failure point. And besides, destruction makes for great (and informative) content ;) Be safe, mate! I want to see more awesome videos!

Gotta teach high school too

@@integral_chemistrygot tat. each highs chool too.

Stay out of my territory.

And work at a car wash

Hell yeah Lets go mr White!

Btw the thermometer-stirring is brutal!

Yeah I've been good about not doing it for several months now so watching it back in editing physically hurt me. Not looking forward to how many times I'm gonna get called out on that 😅 But thank you! "Edgy synth presented educationally" is exactly what I was going for. I think it is a really cool process from a scientific perspective, and so I wanted to show it without risking any flak from RU-vid. I think it's delivery is so void of any drug glorification and dry enough that it should hold up. As a side note I've been sitting on synthesis vids for TNT, RDX, and acetone peroxide for ages for the same reason I sat on this video for ages.

@@integral_chemistry Don't worry about the thermometer-stirring, we have all been there. Those energetic material syntheses are as edgy if not more, it would be risky to be taken down somehow but that totally depends on the YT reviewer's decision (Which is rather inconsistent), I do think those rules are less strict than before as I can see some of those edgy videos resurfaced.

​I would avoid the acteone peroxide. I never made it and still had the ATF on me about it.

@andrewbounds yeah thats the feeling I got.. I scrapped it and I guess I'll go ahead and toss the footage too 😅

Same. I have another good channel if you want one

@@markbledsoe1664 what the the name

iiiiii doooooo@@markbledsoe1664

@@markbledsoe1664 I want plz

​@markbledsoe1664 yes please

Thank you so very much, it means a lot. I do try and be creative and informative in all my work, and I'm so happy it doesn't go unnoticed.

I mean, a “watch list” just means they watch it. Those chemicals aren’t illegal to possess, synthesize or distribute. Just don’t have any Sudafed in your medicine cabinet…

THAT IS A FACT FELLA. @@Sniperboy5551

​@@Sniperboy5551actually the process makes no need for Sudafed. LoL but more money can be made selling purified chemicals than gold and oil combined

Just don't store intermediates, who knows what those watchlists test for. A innocent intermediate can get you in trouble. Always go through the process or at least have your work up papers handy for intentions

the government would hardly let you have water if they could get away with it.

I was considering that one, still might do it at some point. But thank you so much! This video took ages so I'm glad it's appreciated

I mean, it’s only like 2 extra steps depending on the starting materials.

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Phenylacetone and Methylamine

Nope, let's make mescaline instead.

@@jocm99 just look it up, RU-vid will delete it if I write it.

P2P cook. And it it ain't blue, it ain't right.

Thank you so much! These are my favorite type of comments, and I deeply appreciate hearing that some people get the things out of my work that I intended. Very happy to have you along :)

@@integral_chemistry No problem, thank you for the content! Have a great day 👍

I agree with that, this isn't something I'd ever do if I didn't have this whole channel to legitimize its synthesis. If I was just doing this as a small-scale hobby I'd never want this just lying around.. even though it's legal, the optics are bad.

RU-vid has recommended a video on P2P purification to me… I just like watching chemistry

@@Sniperboy5551 that part! I’ve seen a few. I’ve literally seen the synthesis of methamphetamine base by the Lukehart reduction by a channel called TDC and it randomly popped up in my feed because of watching chemistry videos. 🤔🧐

​@@integral_chemistryBro, have you ever made oxytocin? I'm very curious about this. How is it extracted from the ergot fungus? I really want to extract it myself. Can you teach me?

Been on it for decades now 😂😂

If you ever want to pissed them off download the 10hr he-man hey yeah video, reencode it (so the file hash changes), name it something interesting like maybe a color with a type of dwelling followed by the thing we walk on and another word for an idea or Body Oder Mother Board (get it?), and reupload it. Some poor sod will have to sit through all 10hrs to make sure its clean ;)

​@@TankR ?

@@ahmaudarberywasaviolentkle8094 What part are you confused on? The get a long video, ie he-man hey yeah, part, the name it something potentially of national security interest part, or the thus force an agent to watch 10 hours of hey yeah part because the video is just the original but reencoded so it wont match the hash of a known file part?

@@TankR too cryptic.

@@ahmaudarberywasaviolentkle8094 get some crayons and some paper, work through it. Youll get it, champ ;)

Chlordane!!! Been a long time since I gave seen that name!

I meant suck-back. Idk why but I've always called that reflux along with actual reflux (the kind you do intentionally with a condenser). But yeah it'll suck-back HARD. Much worse than ammonia or HCl

how long were u in jail

I did 100% of synthesis #3 and portions of the first two under a fume hood, instead just feeding the gas outlet outside. Honestly should have all been done under a fume hood given the reactions going on are fairly complex and I'm not 100% certain on all potential byproducts. And yeah.. I only made it to make the photographic developer Metol, which is insanely overpriced so I thought this would pair well with my hobby photography. I'm having a tough time synthesizing the other requisite chemical (hydroquinone) in a pure enough state to actually use. TBH trimethylamine is much more useful than methylamine in the kind of projects I'm working on.

Ah yes, metol is really useful but indeed expensive. I am curios about the synthesis if you will show it. Hydroquinone is cheap and easy to get where I live but also a potential carcinogen.

I've read that before, unfortunately it's one of those words I've only ever read and never heard someone say out loud so I've been holding off on the embarrassment of the whole internet hearing me mispronounce it 😬

@@integral_chemistry Well, I don´t blame or judge you if you have mispronounced it! I know it´s nothing serious.

@chemicalmaster3267 lol well thank you! I'll do my best to give it a shot next time it comes up, although to save my sanity I usually avoid working with deliquescent chemicals. They're the worst

@@integral_chemistry Yeah, it´s almost impossible to do good weight measurements with them. They really are infuriating!

Thank you! And yes I was actually considering adding that as a 4th method, but the length of the video would just have gotten far beyond what I'd wanna edit. I may do a part 2 with that method, paraformaldehyde, and possibly glycine decomposition because on paper that should work

@@integral_chemistry Please do! Love ur stuff m8, keep it up!

Huh yeah I hadn't even considered that angle. My thinking was perhaps a calcium-methylamine complex or double-salt formation. I do agree though, at least in my own experience for this channel I've done a Hofmann rearrangement in making hydrazine and anthranilic acid, and they both worked very well and wete FAR less temperature sensitive. The wild part is this exact synthesis was the very first Hofmann rearrangement, and the one the entire mechanism was based on (although I might need to fact check that)

It does! It's in a gaseous form though so a bit tough to collect, but yeah hexamine does slowly decompose to methylamine even at room temp.. which is why hexamine smells like rotten fish sometimes

@@integral_chemistry so you're saying if you put hexamine on a hot plate, do it in a hotel room? ;)

@robertkeyes258 LMAO that would be quite a mean prank 🤣 stuff smells absolutely foul and really sticks around

@@integral_chemistry Indeed it would. That's not something I would do.

RCMP what a joke. Canaduh is junkies holes

😅 Just that Jesse needs...

Jassy.... wheres the cocainer??!

Hay anyone know away round (lah)?

Thank you! 😁

Very cool find! I'd say easiest way is probably to try burning it with a lighter. If it starts burning with a cool blue flame, melts into a black goo, and smells sulfurous than it's definitely sulfur. You could also just break a pellet open and smell, sulfur has a really distinct smell to it that's tough to get off your hands. Oh and it's insoluble in literally everything except toluene

I'll for sure be going back within a week to get it! Jokes aside, I do want to get it off her property. She's 86 years old and had no idea it was there. The 5 gallon bucket it was being held in is being held together with a hope and a prayer. It was so sun bleached that the bucket was breaking if you looked at it funny. I'm going to try growing some rhombic sulfur crystals with it

DCM as well yeah? I'd have definitely gone that route if only those were easier for me to buy *sigh*

Eh the red allotrope of phosphorus requires vacuum heating of white phosphorus, which is one of the few chemicals that are over the line for me 😅 incredibly dangerous stuff.

​@@integral_chemistryWhat about white phosphorus?

Exactly, anything they say I can’t have I can make from scratch.

I think I definitely will! I also wanna try paraformaldehyde instead of formalin bc that should work the same

​@@integral_chemistryBro, have you ever made oxytocin? I'm very curious about this. How is it extracted from the ergot fungus? I really want to extract it myself. Can you teach me?

​@@integral_chemistryOxytocin, the love hormone, is very mysterious. I searched in more than a dozen languages ​​just to find out how to prepare it and how to prepare it, but I couldn’t find how to prepare it. If you make a video, the number of views will definitely exceed 100 million. , because I feel that not only I want to watch it, but fans all over the world want to watch it.

Huh that's actually surprising.. you may have needed a higher temperature. When it works the fused salt mixture will turn light yellow and release a bit of red gas. Potassium nitrate works better because then you can purify it afterwards

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It's so widely used it is frankly bizarre it is regulated the way it is.

LMAO I don't know about all that

@@integral_chemistry just go to Russia or some shithole ez

Is nitrous oxide involved, somehow?

@Gelatinocyte2 no, but I can't really explain without getting in trouble so just Google it (because somehow Wikipedia can get away with detailed instructions for making literally anything)

@@Gelatinocyte2 no but trust me nitroethane is how you actually end up on a government watchlist

More used in paint removal though theyres also respirators specifically due to the chemicals released by these chemicals

Also why here it requires a hazardous chemical license and a bloody good reason for needing it ... These days theyres so many other options you really don't need to use it at all

I've actually got no idea.. I know acetone because it's just such a broadly useful solvent and maybe that's true for toluene as well? I know you can use both to make other chemicals that are one step closer to controlled compounds, but you could apply that logic to literally anything. Styrofoam is just a few simple steps from multiple controlled compounds, easy enough for any graduate chemistry student. That's why the whole concept is preposterous for individuals in terms of the scope of what constitutes "precursor".

@@integral_chemistry it may be because toluene is the precursor to tnt

That is really weird.. maybe only a handful of companies want to put their ads on this 🥺

@integral_chemistry Cool video though, my friend. I’m not a chemist, but I enjoy watching chemistry. Great editing as well!

Ohhh yeah I seem to vaguely remember that request actually (its been a while). I've been meaning to do more extraction type stuff anyway so maybe I'll finally give that a shot.

@@integral_chemistry It would be interesting to see if you could measure several components of what makes a cup of coffee good or bitter. I use a Moka Pot to brew.

That and the sulfamic acid route are two I left out. I'm thinking a part 2 someday with those two along with the paraformaldehyde route

Probably just to add a plot point. That show has quite a few silly plot points like that. I imagine Walt didn't want to make methylamine himself because it would have added a long extra step to a process he already barely had time for 😅

Why make when can steal

It is incredibly stupid.. I will say technically none are illegal to own, simply illegal to sell or make in excessively large quantities. The definition of "excessively large" also varies dramatically as 5kg of acetone is nothing while 5kg of methylamine might raise some eyebrows.. unless you had a legit use for it like if you owned a photography shop.

Lol, welcome, good one.

I like turtles.

@@hensleymp same

Same

Honestly I don't remember (I read so many because it was weirdly hard to find reliable info). That sounds right though, I'll give it a check and let you know

@@integral_chemistry right on. It was probably that or the Hive.

The real skill is being able to buy all your precursors in one purchase without anyone knowing what’s possible with them.

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 im paranoid. I feel like in the back of my mind certain products purchased together or in certain quantities triggers an alert to some agency.

I'm hoping that between this channel and the vast scope of completely unrelated chemicals I own at this point that if anyone ever decided I needed to be searched it would be clear I'm making youtube videos.. and nothing else 😅

@@integral_chemistry some of my other fav RU-vidrs have been contacted by the FBI lol. Cody, styro...

@@integral_chemistry just don’t say you have the stuff to make anything scheduled “just in case”, DEA will get you for constructive intent. It’s a bit different with energetics because you’re allowed to make them, just can’t store, transport, etc.