i feel like ugreen only got popular after the whole anker security breach and everyone boycotting the brand. i’ve known ugreen for a long time, but it’s weird that they only got the chance to take anker’s spot after the breach.
A few points: RAID 5 is unsafe with large (> a few TB) drives, which makes it effectively obsolete. If you lost one, you would be unlikely to be able to rebuild the array without encountering a read error on one of the remaining drives. RAID 5 is also always unsafe without a battery-backed write cache. RAID 6 or RAID 10 would have been a better choice here. They would also give much better write performance.
by similar logic, RAID6 and RAID10 is also obsolete, because rebuild is even slower while likehood of more than 2 drives failing isn't zero either; RAID is not a backup, it's to minimize downtime in case of disk failure
@@TazzSmk During a rebuild you're reading from multiple drives, writing data back to one drive. Meaning that there is absolutely no time difference, in rebuilding an RAID5 vs an RAID6 array. That said, a rebuild on large capacity drive can take multiple days. This means that a RAID5 setup isn't redundant anymore during these days of high disk load on the remaining drives. Most people bought the drives at the same time, meaning all drives have the same on-time and wear, making it likely that a second drive is about to fail at any moment now. Yes you're correct about RAID not being a backup, having two storage setups becomes however very expensive, very fast! That's why most people only have one NAS, using set device as 'the backup'... Not perfect, but better than a single external HDD... My storage setup consists of an intel i3-8300 CPU with 40GB DDR4. There are 6x18TB drives in it, with a RAID6 setup. This gives me about 71TB in usable storage on my local NAS. My offsite backup server consists out of an very old I7-920 with 21GB DDR3. There are 6x3TB drives in it, also in a RAID6 configuration. This gives the backup server about 11TB of storage. My backup server being smaller, means that only my most important files have an offsite backup. The setup synchronizes automatically each day at 5 pm. Sure I could increase the storage of my backup server, but that would cost me another 2k USD in drives. I usually wait a couple of years until my main NAS's storage is full, then clone everything to an even larger storage, after which I repurpose the old drives as backup storage.
I've been using NAS for the last 10 years. It makes my life so much easier and faster. The fact that I don't need to remember where I have a file og a movie since it's all on the NAS is great and I can access it from anywhere. Currently I'm still on an old Synology NAS from 2016 but thinking of upgrading in the future. It works so I'm not in a hurry.
I have backed the 6-bay and 8-bay UGreen NAS on Kickstarter. I already have a 10GbE network and been using NAS'es for years (Synology ones). Can hardly wait to get mine! 😁
that speed drop is the cache of the drives is being used up. at first its fast but then it slows because you are limited by the write speeds to the drive vs writing to the cache
Every remember to do 3-2-1 style backups. At least 3 copies, at least 2 diffent types of media, and at least 1 copy off site. Don't risk only having the data on you NAS.
Cool video! The NAS looks nice. I wish hard drives would drop in price. My biggest at the moment are two 16 TB Seagate and I'm running low on storage, but I currently run three backups over those two drives and two 4x drive USB based DAS devices with smaller drives running RAID 5. Saving video projects is a big expense. 😅😥
The transfer speed from and to the nas are bottlenecked by your disks. Mechanical drives cant do much more than what you get at 14.05, even in raid 5. Even in raid 0! And the port at the end of your switch is a SFP port meant for fiber optic cables :)
and your is on the internet but for downloading or upload stuff to the internet but if you upload data from your PC to the NAS it will be on your local network which only can be acceessed if you open the port for it so that port can be acessed anywhere if you hvae internet on the NAS and the client(The PC or laptop) to do this securely make a VPN port forword the port and set it to not have a dymainic ip address it changes when your network goes down or it gets disconned and set it to a static local/private ip address so it doesnt change and connect to it from another network like airport wifi and you can access your local stuff on your local ip
That Jake segment genuinely took me out bro lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣SUBBED!!!! Also, as an editor for an events space, I've acquired now 80TB of total storage on my work rig. It's fucking ridiculous.
Mhhhh. Kinda. As far as I know one can build a steam library on the NAS only if using iSCSI and SMB. Regarding speed it will be slower, nvme drives reach 4GB/s without much effort, this will still be limited to 1GB/s in the best case scenario. But I don't know how much of a difference that would do for gaming
72 TB is not Overkill that's just a starting point, there's no such thing as too much storage. However there are way better NAS devices from better companies on the market but I am curious since you have the NAS from Ugreen could you do a video where you dump the units firmware?
Hi Vex, I think you've made a mistake. @ 23:03 You have the SSD cache of 3710.8GBs usable set to 2800GBs. The message says that you'd need to allocate at least 80% of the SSD to cache to prevent data loss. So you should have put in the value of at least 2968.64GBs or to be safe, an even 3000GBs and have the 710.8GBs remaining for faster APP loading.
I've been doing this a long time (first computer had 1K memory and a hex keyboard and display). I am still not jaded. If that NAS was mine I'd have used RAID6. The chance that a second disk will fail when recovering from a failure is bigger than you would expect. Consider that during a rebuild all used blocks on the surviving drives need to be readable. There is a fair chance that at least one will have problems...
Took ages before You figured out that you need BOTH ways very fast SSD or M.2 AND raid HDD to fully utilize 10Gbit lan :D I build same thing on my Synology NAS: PC has Gen5 M.2 i know overkill and copying to nas pretty much hits the limit of 10G lan around 1gb/s
11:59 Where did you get that diagram? Because it's wrong. That's not what LAG means. LAG (Link AGgregation) is to make your network connection redundant, so if a port or network cable breaks (cut, shorts out, etc.) you don't lose connection. It doesn't double up the throughput at all. So 12:05 note on screen is wrong. It'll either be 2.5G or 10G, not 12.5G. At best, if setup for this, it can balance the network traffic in such a way to guarantee the port bandwidth. (i.e., if you have 2 ports bonded together at 2.5G speed, if setup correctly, the host can send 1.25G of data down each port, thus achieving the 2.5G speed.)
Vex: most people don't really need 64 gb ram, 8tb cache and 50 tb storage backup. Its definitely unnessasary. also vex: does it anyways while shaming his pc. (tbh he does this every video lmao)
I recently built my NAS Server and I ran into a slight issue. with over 5TB of data while backed up on the NAS with 35Mbps upload speeds, getting that data out of my house and into a remote storage server as a backup of a backup of a backup takes what I like to say is forever! lol
LACP cannot do link aggregation between ports of different speeds. So just stick with the 10Gbe port like you did. I went with Synology because they have a better software suite but if you don't need all that the Ugreen will do fine. If the Ugreen can do iSCSI, you can also put your Steam library on it. (iSCSI shows up as a local disk in Windows)
Actually, it can, but it has to be configured as active/passive and to favor one of them. So he could do an LACP configuration that favored the 10g link, with the 2.5g as the fallback in case the 10g fails. Not a typical use case, however.
Just setting up my 4800 plus, I have 4 8TB drives with 2 32G memory and 2 M.2 2TB drives. Question which configuration would be best for the M.2 drives? Create a Cash storage pool, Create SSD Cash or Create a Raid type? Suggestions? Real newbie at this.
You made the noobie NAS mistake though, 4 bays isn't enough, You might think it is now but give it a few years! 8 bays is the way to go, Don't have to fill all the HDD bays at once, Add later.
I pre ordered the 6bay version, can't decide what hdds to get. May just get used/recertified... 4x Seagate Exos 14-18TB in raid 6. How loud would you say is the nas and do you have it set to go into idle/low power mode?
I got six terabyte exos drives from Newegg refurbished 20 TB 250 each. I'm still playing around with the SSD cash but I already upgraded the RAM and the Ugreen uses it as a cache
This video is funny. But maybe you would have done it little more serious. THere is no point of 4 drive NAS if you intend to put a sensitive data in it as you mentioned in the beginning of the video. For a reliable NAS which you can trust you have to make at least RAIDz2 or RAID6 and this needs at least 6 drives to be justified. I wonder where did you get this switch you put of use and how much it cost ?
Good video. I'm not saying anything you don't know but you're way smarter than you pretend to be. Lean into the Jake shit. I like Jake because he's smart and doesn't care who tf knows.
I can never understand people not using the right ethernet cable or even knowing what to use (not in this case, on a short run it's fine). Like how even tech people don't really undestand lan cables. I know it usually still works, but the day it is not working right and when you are having weird problems you gonna be mad and exhausted after probably multiple really long troubleshooting sessions. And than most go buy some "quality" CAT 7 or 8 cable with rj45 even though rj45 doesn't even support the specifications the cables support (GG45 does) and think they got the best stuff, even though they've been ripped off. I just don't get it.
Hey Vex. Could this also be use a recording drive? Suppose I want to record a game, could I just hook it via usb/gigabit and choose it as a recording drive in obs?
bro didnt have a NAS Build your own use a old UEFI System you can even use a laptop but any device you chose has to have UEFI and GPT Drive support and 1024 MB is 1 GB and 8 Gbps is 1GB/s not 1025 MB
UGreen be pushing hard these products :)) Every other TechTuber got one :)) They've been good with the cables though. Ngl Hope they fix their wonky software
I'm afraid of HDDs, though. I've never owned one that didn't die lol. Even now, I have some HDD's (2x7200RPM Seagate 7200.14's in RAID 0 that hit around 380MB/s read speeds and 1x WD Blue "5400-5700 RPM" that was for storage). Bad sectors? Yes. All of 'em. Drives that died in the past? All of 'em. 7 or 8x at least. SSD's? Shiiii.... I got an OLD 120GB SSD in here that still maxes out the S-ATA III speeds of 550MB/s read and 500 MB/s write. No issues. It's like 6-7 years old. Maybe 8. I'm bad with time. My NAS would HAVE to be SSD or M.2 NVME. BUT.. at least with a massive RAID 0+1 set up, you won't lose data WHEN you get that drive that starts dying. Or however you're setting it up, I'm still watching. I love the idea of a NAS. I love networking. Plus, I only have one slot left for a drive on my motherboard. I've got 3x SSD's, 3x HDD's (so, all 6x SATA ports used) and I have 1 of 2 M.2 NVME slots in use. Plan on throwing a 980 Pro or 990 something or other into my PCI-e 4.0 x4 M.2 slot at some point soon. Why? Slow internet. Deleting a game means I have a 6-10 hour download on those 80GB-130GB+ games we got out there. Plus I have 5x security cameras all recording to my dying WD Blue HDD, a few games I rarely play and a bunch of movies and music. But I don't like "working" on that drive, I move recorded gameplay footage to an SSD and use Handbrake, encode it, then move it to the WD Blue 3TB, upload to RU-vid, no one sees it, I end up deleting it anyways because I try and keep 400GB free space on it. I mean, I can either record 2 weeks of footage or a month's worth of footage. I have it set to overwrite at a certain drive space left. I'd want to NAS with 2TB or 4TB M.2 NVMEs. I feel like they'd last a decade without any issues. Sure, I couldn't hit the potential max speeds over network, so SSD's would also be fine, but they cost the same, so why not lol?
Okay, there's RAM in that NAS box? Alright alright alright.... I can see HDD's working well with a lot of RAM. I still just have an icky relationship with HDD's.
@@Cyber_Gas Well when I got my first nas a few years ago I said to my friends that it was a game changer. I think the idea is that a nas completely changes the way one handles data, making it safer, more convenient and versatile, and any nas will do that
The video was more about what a nas can do and setting it up with the "needed" network. He did say to go and buy it. Besides, hardwarewise it is quite solid
so if you have over 8000MB/s external network then "faster". 64Gbps but no. I rather run 4x 8GB/s m.2 raid SSD. oh so my precious data. how about blu-ray roms for backups. raid is not a backup. and you can redo everything if you lose everything.
Are you daft? The entire point of setting all this up is that thats the transfer speed of HDD'S, WIRELESSLY. Thanks to the NAS with upgraded RAM and 2 NVME's for read/write cache. HDD's are insanely cheaper than NVME's, and having this speed wirelessly is insane
