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Malcolm Young Talks AC/DC, Angus Guitar Playing, Brian and Bon & Drummer Phil Rudd 

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@ASTROXNAT
@ASTROXNAT 2 года назад
The best Rhythm Guitarist in history.
@TheErikrust
@TheErikrust 2 года назад
Amen.
@joeydeemontana182
@joeydeemontana182 2 года назад
Fuck yeah!
@jsm7474
@jsm7474 2 года назад
Thank you for come to my memory you will stay on my deep heart forever Malcolm
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
All hail to malcolm 🔥
@banditdarville.
@banditdarville. Год назад
Have you ever heard of Pete Townsend????????????
@coreynorman4531
@coreynorman4531 2 года назад
You are greatly missed Mal, greatest rhythm guitarist of all time…rest easy sir
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
How calm /peace/ humble personality malcolm always is.
@milesburton6558
@milesburton6558 Год назад
yeah. I honestly think this is spot on. Malcolm is the greatest rock and roller the world has ever known. In some rocking less is more way..I really believe that.
@glennstockley2197
@glennstockley2197 3 дня назад
John Lennon was best rhythm guitarist
@rocknrollguitarcovers5654
@rocknrollguitarcovers5654 3 месяца назад
The way he speaks about Angus, being a hot player, saying that people don't really get him or his playing... I mean, Malcolm was THE MAN. Such a tinny fella, delivering TONS of rock...!!
@NorsePJ
@NorsePJ 6 дней назад
Have a listen to Malcolm's lead guitar playing on songs like "Show Business" and "Soul Stripper". He was just as good, if not better, than Angus. But both incredible.
@PrairieMidwester
@PrairieMidwester 3 дня назад
Best rhythm guitarist, kind and funny human being. Any band would have been blessed to have Malcolm.
@brendonnel6593
@brendonnel6593 2 года назад
The man. The legend. RIP Malcolm
@Orangelemonblue
@Orangelemonblue Год назад
"but there's no Rock n' Roll bands.....just the Stones and us." Wow, so true
@greatdelusion7654
@greatdelusion7654 2 года назад
This is the most important AC/DC interview imo, not least because the founder and most key member of the band explains in black and white the difference between Rock and Rock N Roll...what the band is all about and the reason their sound is instantly recognisable. You also get to see first hand the value of the playing style/relationship between the brothers.
@MikeSoutham
@MikeSoutham 4 месяца назад
Didn't know Malcom personally but I shed a tear privately when he passed. What he contributed to this band was just incredble. Happy to lay the foundation for Angus' flair.
@Taki_Rad
@Taki_Rad 5 месяцев назад
I love when Angus was interviewed and asked how he felt about being the best guitarist in the world… & his response instantly was “I’m not even the greatest guitarist in our band!” Talking about his brother 😢❤ two of the greatest ever!
@toddworley2803
@toddworley2803 Год назад
I love Malcolm and miss him like he was a family member. He's the GOAT of rhythm guitar and the most selfless great man and much love to anyone here also in admiration.
@insanerhardstyle5872
@insanerhardstyle5872 Год назад
and the main pillar of AC/DC (without him and his Rhytm guitar skills the band would never be big at it is)
@Trouble-Clef
@Trouble-Clef Год назад
I truly agree. Malcolm Young was/is so underrated. Many see him as the rhythm guitarist for AC/DC but he was so much more that that. He was THE sound of AC/DC, the unsung musical genius behind it all. RIP Malcolm 💕
@duaneramirez3571
@duaneramirez3571 Год назад
"Rock-n-Roll has a swing." Truer words have never been spoken. ACDC Rules! RIP Malcolm Young!
@organiccountrylife
@organiccountrylife Год назад
Can you help explain to me what me means by that, I'm having a hard time understanding😂
@Simmo_Cars
@Simmo_Cars 8 месяцев назад
@@organiccountrylifeswing is when two quavers (eighth notes) are played as a crochet (quater note) followed by a quaver in a triplet pattern. This means that you play one note, wait a bit longer that what is written which will be straight, and then play the second note shorter. So you get a slightly longer note followed by a shorter note, Phil is a master at this on the drums. Hope that helps
@dapawaz8310
@dapawaz8310 3 месяца назад
If it ain't got that swing, it don't mean a thing. These guys have it.
@JordanCarlin-qy5ed
@JordanCarlin-qy5ed Год назад
Angus is a great guitarist, the charisma and face of AC/DC but Malcolm is the sound, he's the guy that gets us all moving our feet
@perpetualmotion357
@perpetualmotion357 Год назад
Malcolm praising Angus is awesome and needs to be said. We often hear interviews from Angus on how great Malcolm is (and he is) but he's super humble about his own playing. Malcolm is right. Angus has yet to get his just dues as a player. He gets it as a preformer and I think his showmanship often overshadows how great he is and what's coming out of that guitar. To me, Angus is like a SRV, only instead of the blues it's rock n roll. He has the same type of improvising skills where it's as if he's an open vessel and has the ability to tap into a current that very few people reach and it comes out of him naturally. Angus was a prodigy. His vibrato and choice of notes is unmatched. I find him better and way more enjoyable than these technical nonsense shredders. Just listen to Bad Boy Boogie from If You Want Blood. His vibrato and the way he controls the feedback is hauntingly jarring. Even a guy like EVH says one of his favorite albums is Powerage. Angus's solos fit the song like a glove. It weaves naturally into the song and is just another part of it. It never feels separate from the music. The chemistry between Mal and Angus is unmatched. I personally think AC/DC perfected what rock n roll is and took it to it's limits. You can't go harder than AC/DC and still remain a rock band. They're more aggressive than most metal bands. That's why they share a gigantic fan base across the board. AC/DC are an entity entirely by themselves and respected by almost everyone.
@altorres5988
@altorres5988 5 месяцев назад
Malcolm and Bon having a drink and making music right now
@Trouble-Clef
@Trouble-Clef Год назад
Malcolm Young was/is so underrated. Many see him as the rhythm guitarist for AC/DC but he was so much more that that. He was THE sound of AC/DC, the unsung musical genius behind it all. RIP Malcolm 💕
@jeremytheoneofdestiny8691
@jeremytheoneofdestiny8691 10 месяцев назад
The best way to appreciate it is to listen to the live shows without Mal and without Phil. Totally different sound. I prefer the original dudes!
@SusanFritz-v7i
@SusanFritz-v7i 3 месяца назад
I also love to hear Mal singing the backup vocals like in Jailbreak
@dapawaz8310
@dapawaz8310 3 месяца назад
Yes! Mal had a great gravelly voice. Sounds like a mini pit bull.
@cliffbungalow9373
@cliffbungalow9373 4 месяца назад
These guys were a frickin machine No one will ever come close to Mal, Phil and Cliff
@Thumbelina77
@Thumbelina77 3 года назад
Malcolm had SOUL!!! Miss him terribly.
@comraderomania7988
@comraderomania7988 2 года назад
@@toolbox5226 he knew how good he was, there`s no doubt but the thing about the guys from the band, they never bragged or showed off. They all keep it to themselves
@matthewwhitton5720
@matthewwhitton5720 2 года назад
Phil Rudd has no need to ‘ defend ‘ the way he plays. But, as a real musician, he’s well aware of what he wants to hear, and that no one else can or does.
@ImperialRadioYT
@ImperialRadioYT 3 месяца назад
Since I first discovered this band, Malcolm always fascinated me. and as I grew to love them, I realized how right I was to love him. listening to him talk about Angus, and how people will one day see how good he really is, just makes me think, and feel bad, that so many are doing that with HIM now, since he passed everywhere you see credits and praise to him, for his spectacular, one-of-a-kind musicianship and sheer genius. He would've never thought HE would be the one getting seen for what he really is Rock In Peace, Mal! Thank-you!
@Lerxstification
@Lerxstification 3 месяца назад
RIP Mal, such a sweet, talented, underrated dude.
@DavidKing-jx3sg
@DavidKing-jx3sg 2 месяца назад
Angus and Malcolm were telepathic, some of the best riffs in rock,
@willymccabe6602
@willymccabe6602 2 года назад
Malcolm was to AC/DC what Steve Harris is to Maiden. It's their vision and expectations of the guys around them that makes these bands great. They lead by example.
@Kai-ln9fg
@Kai-ln9fg 3 месяца назад
Angus and Malcom are one of my all time favorite guitar Duo's!
@alanpascual902
@alanpascual902 10 месяцев назад
I always back to this video to remember how much I love AC/DC, not just for the music.. I love how much Malcolm admires and carry his brother from the beggining, to the end of his days. Malcolm was the real brain in the band, a real leader, the most of the times in the shadows at the stage supporting his young brother, and always carrying his back. It brakes my heart when I think how much Angus should miss him. The most beautiful brotherhood in a Rock and Roll band.
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 7 месяцев назад
Angus would clearly knows malcolm capability in marketing line for not hesitating to fire band manager which angus would think twice to do such unlikely task for average people
@oldmate9969
@oldmate9969 Год назад
A true guitar legend, a true blue Aussie AND a true Scotsman. Thankyou for changing music Malcolm
@jimymac
@jimymac Год назад
Thank God for this clip they never talk about each other like this, so much honestly there and the true eloquence of Malcom.
@jayannan9897
@jayannan9897 3 месяца назад
The three Young brothers are owed a lot by Australian music especially, plus world-wide applause 👏👏👏
@HawaiiJetboat
@HawaiiJetboat 3 месяца назад
Malcolm we do know how good You, Angus, Phil, Brian, Bon and Cliff are...got the albums to prove it. Miss ya!
@davidmccourt8174
@davidmccourt8174 5 дней назад
Also Mark Evans
@AaseesKing
@AaseesKing 6 месяцев назад
We mis you mal ❤
@beatvampire
@beatvampire 2 года назад
Fuck Angus looks like George in this
@rohnakp2396
@rohnakp2396 2 года назад
Looks more George than George himself 💀
@debratansey6074
@debratansey6074 2 года назад
Such a talent so rare that he had the most humble nature
@thomaslemon3971
@thomaslemon3971 5 месяцев назад
The more I listen to AC/DC, the more I appreciate how hard they are to emulate. They play simple songs with the most expert execution. You can’t copy Phil Rudd’s groove!
@tacossnack1957
@tacossnack1957 2 года назад
I love Malcolm's voice
@scintillasparkles
@scintillasparkles 11 месяцев назад
What a gentle soul, eh. RIP Malcolm!
@floydcouncil1690
@floydcouncil1690 Год назад
A monumental thanks to Malcolm and the rest of the band for all the great rock’n’roll I have the pleasure of listening to.
@musicffan1863
@musicffan1863 3 года назад
Still miss Mal 😢
@jeffbone8475
@jeffbone8475 2 года назад
One of the all time greats! What a loss.
@kyarichards2894
@kyarichards2894 8 месяцев назад
Such modest lovely guys.
@nsmith9550
@nsmith9550 2 года назад
Such a great guy & musician You are deeply missed Malcolm :(
@michaelthorne5441
@michaelthorne5441 Год назад
Mal where do we start, born in Scotland and landed in Aussie, The best thing an Aussie could hear
@jamesgilliam5278
@jamesgilliam5278 Год назад
Businessman, songwriter, guitar player. Very smart and driven person. He was the engine to the band.
@adriantomlin2902
@adriantomlin2902 6 месяцев назад
Yup. One of the hardest working artists in the rock n roll music business.
@Aussietari
@Aussietari Год назад
Malcolm was the Heart♥️&. Engine of AC⚡️DC.😌
@Winterstick549
@Winterstick549 9 месяцев назад
God, I love listening to these guys talk.
@liamforsyth4917
@liamforsyth4917 2 года назад
Proper rock and roll geezers
@madrouault3
@madrouault3 3 месяца назад
Malcom, the ACDC main spar . ACDC forever !!
@19josh77
@19josh77 6 месяцев назад
One of my favorite rhythm guitarists. Humble and knows exactly when where and what to play.
@Drogers8675
@Drogers8675 6 месяцев назад
Seems like Malcom was the engine behind the band.
@felixthelmocevallosmorales7218
@felixthelmocevallosmorales7218 2 года назад
Malcolm Young 06/01/53 18/11/17
@someguy42093
@someguy42093 3 месяца назад
This man was a rhythm genius.
@tombambauer5220
@tombambauer5220 11 дней назад
Listed to songs woth just Malcolm playing. He's such a good player.
@kevinarcher9038
@kevinarcher9038 3 месяца назад
What an honest ,genuine bloke Malcolm was. R.i.I
@gart9680
@gart9680 2 года назад
"Cleverness" Still had a Scottish lilt to the odd word. "Brilliant" Plus his explanation of rock/rock n roll/heavy metal is Spot on.
@davetietjen5105
@davetietjen5105 4 месяца назад
Malcolm Young drove the best rhythm section in rock n roll. Sweet to the beat.
@steventessier2145
@steventessier2145 2 года назад
malcolm was and still is my favorite rhythm guitarist of all time ,simple riffs ,but somehow no one can reproduce the exact same sound he had ,and just gotta respect the fact the he also stuck to it no matter how music had evolved over the years ,he stayed true to what he loved so much till the very end ,the guy is legend ,RIP Mal \m/
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
Malcolm is right we can always recognise their sound even though if they dont sing we cant ignore talented person their precious craft
@perpetualmotion357
@perpetualmotion357 Год назад
Right..AC/DC is a band that I would.knoe right away even if the song didn't have vocals and I never heard it before. Nobody has their sound and groove..Songs like D.T.and Chase the Ace are instantly recognizable as AC/DC. It was the Young brothers creation. Malcolm and Angus are the greatest rock guitar duo in the history of the genre. I like how they say that there really are only two giant rock n roll bands today. AC/DC and The Stones, and AC/DC bring something else entirely.
@bosses5425
@bosses5425 2 года назад
AC/DC, the best rockn'roll band ever!!
@grahamcox8385
@grahamcox8385 Год назад
Malcolm young is the rhythm master, he makes his gretsch produce the most heavenly tone, makes it look easy but it sure as hell ain't, rest in peace malcolm young, your a absolute legend
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
We are lucky that he made decision to invite angus to form band.. If not for malcolm then no thunderstruck
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
How respected and cool personality malcolm is...
@PeterTwo-qm3xk
@PeterTwo-qm3xk 3 месяца назад
He's so right. It's the 'swing' that they have that sets them apart from other rock and metal bands. Malcolm' rhythm guitar was the backbone and glue that held it all together.
@jaysweet7544
@jaysweet7544 11 месяцев назад
The best interview of Malcolm young, what a great man he was!!
@gorgen23
@gorgen23 3 месяца назад
I learnt more off Malcolm about music in this amazing interview than I have listening to hundreds of others blab on about nothing.
@j23_stuff
@j23_stuff Год назад
MALCOLM...I love Augus, but Malcolm is the real genius behind acca dacca
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
If malcolm dont encourage angus to have their own band then we lost ac dc.. Simple as that😂
@Bill-be4tz
@Bill-be4tz Год назад
Acca Dacca wtf you even talking about?
@j23_stuff
@j23_stuff Год назад
@@Bill-be4tz that's what they call ac/dc in Australia. Google it
@lisakemp7352
@lisakemp7352 9 месяцев назад
@@Bill-be4tzIf you’re an Aussie you’d know exactly what he’s talking about
@mixmmick
@mixmmick 2 года назад
"Let there be rock" vs "Neeps and tatties". Bon Scott vs Robert Burns. I know what I'd choose. 😜
@Danimal77
@Danimal77 Год назад
This was 2001. I wonder when between then and 2008 Malcolm started to develop symptoms of dementia? He seemed so sharp here.
@danozism
@danozism Год назад
Mal was a much smarter guy than many people gave him credit for. He certainly had a razor-sharp vision for AC/DC from the start, and it worked like a charm. Angus and Mal together were the no-bullshit team that made AC/DC the global success it became. Of course, having Bon out the front was an Ace up the sleeve- but I think there was a lot more to their steady rise to fame and fortune than dumb luck alone. No-one gets to the top and stays there without having a brain in their head! RIP Malcolm- leader of one of the very best rock bands that ever existed. "-)
@kgunitkeese17
@kgunitkeese17 10 месяцев назад
Us fans know how smart Malcolm was. While Angus (and Bon at the time) may be the face of the band and the main attraction, it was established that Malcolm was the brains behind the band. He came up with most of the riffs. He was the silent leader.
@michaelholmes4374
@michaelholmes4374 2 дня назад
Saw them in 76 before they were really famous brilliant then and brilliant now
@iloveacdc5791
@iloveacdc5791 День назад
That is so cool! I have seen them now on their pwr up tour, but I wish I could have seen them with Bon, or the back in black line up. But I was born 2006, so that would not be possible😢 They were still good and the new guys did very well, but I still wish that at least Phil would have been there
@BigBopper-zm1kf
@BigBopper-zm1kf 3 месяца назад
Thanks Molly. You showed us as the best in the world. These kids were immigrants, what a story
@richmondstevenj
@richmondstevenj Год назад
Malcolm is a very articulate guy, he and Angus.
@JonnyBlade
@JonnyBlade Месяц назад
They're so much smarter than people think. They remind me of Lars Ulrich, always playing down their brains.
@Barrelsmoke
@Barrelsmoke 3 месяца назад
They were awesome, love the pure rock they provided
@AutisticBeautyQueen
@AutisticBeautyQueen 11 дней назад
Love you Malcolm .
@joeys5429
@joeys5429 2 года назад
Bon was the best frontman sorry Brian
@NorsePJ
@NorsePJ 6 дней назад
He was not just a great rhythm guitarist, but also an incredible lead guitarist. Listen to his lead playing on songs like "Show Business" and "Soul Stripper". I think he just preferred being in the background doing his riffing. He played lead on four songs on the first album, "High Voltage" (Australian version). I prefer his style a little more than Angus, though I love Angus as well.
@jerryhatrick5860
@jerryhatrick5860 4 дня назад
Rip my brother in hard real rock.. Society will never have another era of music like we had when Malcom was doing it with his brother and bon. Brian did great for three albums.. Rock n roll singing kills the pipes ask Ann Wilson. Man we were lucky to be alive for the 60's to the 90's. Everything repeats now.. Not a bad thing we have some killer bands out there but the record companies died because bands got sick of being fucked over
@clarkleach6733
@clarkleach6733 5 дней назад
About Phil Rudd: It's hard to listen to the records AC/DC made without him. Their other drummers were good no doubt --- Chris Slade might have been better overall. But for me, it's all about a band's sound and how the different subjective elements come together to create something signature rather than talented people just playing together. As Malcolm said, Phil is the 'real sound' for this band --- And after Brian came aboard, all the elements were in place for a band that very few since have been able to match, let alone beat.
@davidmccourt8174
@davidmccourt8174 4 дня назад
Malcolm laid down that solid bedrock to the soundtrack of our lives. It's A Long Way To The Top could easily be Australia's official national anthem! 👍
@crazylegscrane3345
@crazylegscrane3345 3 дня назад
To hear them talk with such honesty in a totally relaxed way... Only cements the idea that with their careers they are truly masters of their art.... No flashy gimmicks, no heirs or graces just rock n roll music for rock n roll fans... RIP Bon and Malcom you are so missed ❤🤘
@clarkleach6733
@clarkleach6733 5 дней назад
Malcolm's playing was so good, he always made me think that all the guitar riffs were coming from Angus. How many other Rock'n'Roll guitarists can you point to that have had that kind of ability?
@swampweasel
@swampweasel 2 года назад
im in my 50s i still miss him he taught me how to play guitar...my guitar is my only friend
@dave1212b
@dave1212b 2 года назад
There’s rock and roll then there’s acdc…..
@deathchronicles6960
@deathchronicles6960 Год назад
The most abosulte facts i heard in this 2023😂
@kenlowell9862
@kenlowell9862 2 года назад
Thats a very interesting insight... Rock vs. Rock and Roll. I've often tried to pinpoint exactly what it is that makes their shit just make you want to MOVE! Of course it's everything working together... but the that subtle difference in rhythm Malcolm mentions. Maybe that's the simple difference!
@bupe007
@bupe007 Год назад
Malcolm Young is a legend of rhythm guitar ......the frankensteined Guitar (he took 1 part out the electric receivers) Made the guitar sound special ! He was perfect with Angus.
@tylercass2584
@tylercass2584 6 дней назад
I was fortunate enough to see AC/DC twice when it was the original, post 1980, band.
@BruceStephan
@BruceStephan 3 месяца назад
Malcom and Edward Van Halen were the best of friends . We didn't find out until after Edward died. Why ? Because it's none of your business . Sammy Hagar can't sell multi-platinum solo albums like he used to since he quit Van Halen . Why ? Because he lost respect from many of his fans for ratting out on his friends . You don't rat out in your friends . Captain Candyass did .
@someguy42093
@someguy42093 3 месяца назад
Ac/dc IS rock n roll. One thing in life is certain. AC/DC ROCKS. lol. Even if yo uodnt like their music you can’t deny. It ROCKS
@ainusa1534
@ainusa1534 27 дней назад
So humble.
@ryanwilson5222
@ryanwilson5222 10 дней назад
No sht, back in black came on the radio just before I finished watching this vid.
@DavidKing-jx3sg
@DavidKing-jx3sg 2 месяца назад
An interviewer asked Angus what it was like to be one of the best guitarist in the world, he said he's not even the best player in his band.... Big bro Malcolm
@joeblowporkhead864
@joeblowporkhead864 4 месяца назад
No one could else could have pulled off Back in Black but Brian , Bon will always be so cool.
@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST
@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST 5 дней назад
😂😂 omg that's funny stupid
@KevH-v9e
@KevH-v9e Месяц назад
Malcolm was the chassis that AC/DC was built around…….RIP
@ernestguerra3874
@ernestguerra3874 Год назад
Can anybody tell me what year was this interview ??
@CS-mo7xp
@CS-mo7xp 7 месяцев назад
2001 (according to another poster in the comments)
@joanofarc708
@joanofarc708 Год назад
You'd think hes was just a normal Joe soap you wouldn't look at twice on the street
@helloitsmehb
@helloitsmehb 8 месяцев назад
AC/DC without Malcolm is like Queen without Fred
@nomadz3358
@nomadz3358 5 дней назад
Phil Rudd is like Charlie watts, he keeps it just behind the beat, rockn roll , hard to do
@pookeyhutchison7838
@pookeyhutchison7838 Год назад
Simply a genius.
@robertaustin-y7j
@robertaustin-y7j 3 месяца назад
Will considering that this is my favorite band I can say that Brian Johnson was blessed by Ron Scott to be the new lead singer and that this whole band should all die together as one band it is what it is God bless
@cramervl2442
@cramervl2442 Год назад
He's not a guitarist. He is the guitar
@NathanSmith-xf7rk
@NathanSmith-xf7rk 2 месяца назад
It’s so great when these great bands are able to leave their mark on RR, like they just get it and to hear them talk about how they get it , just so cool 😎
@TheIkaraCult
@TheIkaraCult Год назад
Malcolm was absolutely amazing.
@BLzBob.7268
@BLzBob.7268 10 месяцев назад
One true emotion that comes through with all the ac/dc interviews is the commitment to keeping their sound real and unique. I love that about them. I play along to Malcs rythm guitar, it sounds easy, but he put a lot of effort into their tunes. It freed Angus up to strut his stuff. I miss Malc. Very sad that he ended up like he did. But I do admire the band for carrying on his legacy, he definitely would appreciate that. Rock in Peace Malcom. X
@dukenukemall2461
@dukenukemall2461 Год назад
I love mals, drum imitation thats gold. And totally right along
@bh021
@bh021 3 месяца назад
I absolutely love Angus but Mal it was always you... you are the best guitarist in history.
@mngirl7357
@mngirl7357 2 года назад
where's this from? What year? And thx. Love it!
@McGooTheWise
@McGooTheWise Год назад
Phil is the man, but Chris Slade left his own legendary mark on the band. Too bad they can't have two drummers because it's hard to choose between the two. haha
@michaelthorne5441
@michaelthorne5441 Год назад
i have a pic of Chris Slade , Brian and his wife and Cliff Williams at a bar in Jax Florida
@michaelthorne5441
@michaelthorne5441 Год назад
Ya want it?
@michaelthorne5441
@michaelthorne5441 Год назад
it was at a sushi bar
@michaelthorne5441
@michaelthorne5441 Год назад
I'm gonna die soon someone should have it send me your adress
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@michaelthorne5441 Год назад
Cool pic but its on one of those instant things
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