people are mad because they made the nazi salute and showed up the imperial japanese flag but thats cuz this song is about the cruelties of war and they actually did it to protest it
I honestly assumed worse about this video too. (Thought this could've been done without actually doing the salute 0_0). I should do more research on these videos admittedly
@@dnjddnbdbxke i still like the song? so ofc i'm gonna listen to it. just because i don't think a specific thing the band did was great doesn't mean i'm gonna boycott them, you jezebel wench
I think this song is just about their perception about the cruelty of war and for that they named the song "Not pains no gains" for exposed the cruelty behind win a war.
I wish more angles of this performance were shown! Gackt does amazing in this performance but I would have loved to see more of yu~ki and kami at the top. I think that for this entire concert tbh but ooo this song especially.
I see some people writing here something about anti-war protest song but that is not accurate. NPSNGS is a song most likely about BDSM if not straight up a couple engaging into murdering each other… The performance is shocking because its meant to be shocking. Remember how shocking marilyn manson was to American audiences? This is the equivalent. Thst does not mean they support imperial Japan to Nazis, this is provocative art. Maybe they even tried some some anti- or pro-war statement with the performance (just the song itself is about bdsm) From today‘s perspective I also think this was a mistake but on the other hand it seems the shock value is still here…
this song was to show they are against war. i do think they went a little far but in no way were they trying to say they were nazis or anything. i dont know how some of you guys think they are wearing nazi uniforms, they are wearing japanese military uniforms. they definitely went a little too far and got a bad impression but that wasnt what the point of this was. im pretty sure this song is about how they are against war.
La gene de Ahora son demasiado exagerados, es solo una actuación, deberían disfrutarla como tal, y si no les gusta no verla, prohibir los uniformes japoneses y la bandera, es como que los cristianos prohíban los disfraces romanos o egipcios.
i feel like in nearly every single live performance including kozi there is ALWAYS at least one person in the crowd you can hear screaming kozi, specifically him and no other band member. and i can relate i'd do that too
幾つもの幻覚を君の耳元でささやき 君の回路shortさせて治してあげる 汚れたsheetsの上で官能の声を張り上げて 僕の顔を跨ぎながら踊っているvenus Die game 太陽になりたくて月の上で僕は 胸にknifeを突き刺して遊んでいる 羽を広げ空へ舞い上がる僕は 火に抱かれ歓喜の声を張り叫ぶ with the venus
Hmm, seems that this video suddenly got a significant boost in daily views, because of it suddenly getting featured on the "popular tracks" playlist by RU-vid, and as suggested video on the N.p.s N.g.s Deep Sanctuary IV video, weird, but fun! From all the videos, why would YT choose THIS one in their playlist.... but remove other way more popular videos of me from it..... Yeah, it's a weird AI/robot/algorithm...
Wow! Just wow! I had been searching for this live for a long time. Thank you! This is a bonus of the DVD, or this is part of the live? Because in the full live (also posted by you, there's no sign of this song). Btw, your computer is back?
+Cassio Yeshe Thanks, and to answer your question: Here's one sentence copied and pasted from the description: "This is just a bonus feature of the Voyage DVD, so this performance is often overlooked." I'm also going to upload the other bonus feature soon, the interviews with Mana, Közi and Yu~Ki. And yes, my computer is repaired now :)
Cassio Yeshe Good news, Merveilles l'Espace, the edited uncopyrighted version is uploading, and will be uploaded and processed in about an hour. (The video file is 6GB lol).
Im a new MM fan.. For a second I thought this wasn't fascist but they literally raised their hands up like nazi's. The song is anti-war so I assume that they did this for shock value and they went too far this time. The costumes and flag were already a lot but the Hitler hand sign just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The song is fucking great, just like the whole album. So far have only heard Voyage-Sans Retour Malice Mizer album and 2 M10M albums.
I think it’s more like extreme radical performative art than offensive, or at least that was the intent. ( not saying it can’t be taken offensively , given the history ) but since the lyrics are anti-war, I do believe the intent was to make one uncomfortable or queasy with its imagery. Similar to movies that deal with the topic.
This is not really the nazi salute per se, the Japanese used it like the Romans did in Ancient Rome. That's basically how the Japanese soldiers saluted the Emperor, shouting "Hirohito banzai!" (long live the Emperor!). The military uniform the members are wearing is actually the uniform of the Japanese army, and the flag that Yu~ki is waving is the Japanese flag, the flag of the rising sun (not that it's much better, mind you). And yes, it's really tacky. That being said, Cantavanda is right. A lot of Japanese people don't know much about the nazis. For them, they were just some "bad guys" who did some "bad stuff" in Europe during WWII. For them, Hitler was a bit like a cartoon villain, a crazy short guy with a mustache, a lunatic who screamed a lot. And that's pretty much it. That's why the Japanese don't see anything wrong with nazi imagery. That's why you will often see Hitler in manga and animation. That's why Sugizo used to wear a swastika and a nazi uniform on stage in the 90s, just because he thought that it looked "cool". Sheer ignorance, even if it's hard to believe for us, Westerners. Thank god, things are changing a little, but there's still a long way to go.
@@themasterzer0 your right they need to really deep research on the holocaust. Allies stay capped 🧢 just like the swastika sign (which is pre Egyptian) this hand sign is ancient
@@shanks1754 aaaah, foi mal, aí não vou saber te informar, mas acho que essa música em específico tá mais pra música eletrônica do que qualquer outra coisa
@@zeta3069 meu deus cara, eletrônica sério isso? .... melhor nem dar atenção... eu sou um nikkei e sei sobre do que se trata no pains no gains, manifestação .
@@shanks1754 blz, "homem japão". eu sei que eles tavam usando uma temática de império japonês nessa apresentação, é bem óbvio q eles usam o valor de choque pra se manifestar, só tava querendo dizer q é comum ver outras músicas com uma sonoridade parecida serem chamadas de "eletrônica". eu não sou um grande especialista em classificar músicas quanto menos costumo fazer isso quando ouço alguma.
I’m not what you call a “Fan” of malice Mizer, but I do listen and vibe to some of the songs. I get it, this is an anti-war performance, and I do get that WWII is seen VERY different in Japan than it is here, but honestly this aged like milk. I do get they’re trying to get the message that war is wrong, but they rlly didn’t have to do the n@z1 salute, it leaves a very bad taste for me, and I rlly wish they didn’t do it, if they were going to make N-P-S-N-G-N-S an anti-war story, they shouldn’t have cut it out, this is also one of the reasons why I don’t rlly consider myself a fan (right next to Gackt, and how provocative Illuminati was), the idea of making a song/performance on how bad the war is was such a good idea, they just shouldn’t have done that salute… :(
it’s preformance art. it’s meant to make you feel something. the disgusted feeling you feel when you see that salute, is what they wanted you to feel. and means you’re a decent human. but, if you’re not brutally reminded of what exactly facism and war is, you will forget the seriousness. since you brought up s3xual themes in their other song, i’m going to assume you’re young (which there is nothing wrong with), so you may not understand this, which i understand because when i was younger i also thought things like these were unacceptable no matter the context. it is a complex subject.
Yeah, a lot of Malice Mizer's songs weren't really performances were they? Lol Many songs were either mimicked or left for Gackt/ Klaha to sing karaoke style to. NPS NGS Le Ciel Gekka No Yasaokyoku Je Te Veux Kyomu no Naka de no Yuugi I don't know why, but the only song we see them play EXTREMELY well live, is Bel Air during "Merveilles L' Espace". All other band or guitar-oriented performances seem to suffer, and you can hear this even more in uploaded bootleg recordings during the Gackt and Klaha eras. I don't want to believe it, but maybe Malice Mizer was a band that was "forced" into success by corporate intervention. Sort of like famous Pop artist of today, like Brittney Spears or Justin Bieber. The fans seem to react the same at least.
you talk using the 2 live dvds (with gackt) as reference. if you listen Bootlegs from Gackt era, you can see that he sing in all songs, but in these 2 dvds they decided to use studio record as audio source. This song n.p.s n.g.s is the exception, but in the unedited concerts, gack sing all of the song (and the girls voice is not in these performance) sorry for my bad english xD listen 1995.10.10 Shibuya live. ma cherie del dvd vogaye también usa la versión de estudio como audio en vez del audio real (solo ponen sonido de audiencia , pero en realidad está mexclado para que parezca estar en vivo)
new reply: in the 1997 Merveilles Tour Bootleg, the songs played was: ju te veux illuminati nps ngs s-conscious mezame no rasen hamon le ciel bel air madrigal brise ma cherie au revoir there's no playback or "robotic voices" in illuminati or nps ngs, gackt, kozi and kami sing all the whole concert, including le ciel, ju te veux, etc, etc, check it. saludos!
I mean, it’s par for the course for a highly refined studio band to be a lot weaker live. And the earlier eras didn’t sound that “manufactured”, so they probably became too fancy in the studio to be able to pull it off live. Also, “Kyomu...”’s instrumental arrangement is almost entirely synth loops.
klaha don't even have vocals on kyomu no naka de no yuugi. and listening to the bara ni irodorareta live his voice sounds clearly different from the cd. just because it is well sung doesn't mean it is playback. same for gackt, though this performance in particular is indeed a shame through most of it.
I’m not what you call a “Fan” of malice Mizer, but I do listen to some of the songs. I get it, this is an anti-war performance, and I do get that WWII is seen VERY different in Japan than it is here, but honestly this aged like milk. I do get they’re trying to get the message that war is wrong, but they rlly didn’t have to do the n@z1 salute, it leaves a very bad taste for me, and I rlly wish they didn’t do it, if they were going to make N-P-S-N-G-N-S an anti-war story, they shouldn’t have cut it out, this is also one of the reasons why I don’t rlly consider myself a fan (right next to Gackt, and how provocative Illuminati was), the idea of making a song/performance on how bad the war is was such a good idea, they just shouldn’t have done that salute… :(
Because it's a protest song, like how movies about war show things, they are showing in that kinda way and not like those kpop idols who wear clothes with those symbols without knowing the meaning.
@@cat-sb8zd they waved the imperial japan flag and they were dressed as japanese imperialist soldiers,they also did the nqzi salute,I'm not expressing my views on this performance,just explaining why this didn't age well
Long time MM fan here and honestly its kinda shitty they cosplayed as nazis and waved around fascist Japan's flag. Very unfortunate. You could say the lyrics are about the brainwashing of imperial japan, but its too ambiguous and ultimately too e d g y and ultimately corny lol still love MM tho
i agree, i don’t think they had to go that far, their more recent version of it for the 25th anniversary shows a better performance without all of this stuff…, but it’s their pretrial of n.p.s.n.g.s, rather painting imperial japan of blame. every japanese person was being brainwashed (as u said) to think japan was gonna win the war, but of course, they did not. i honestly thought it would be cool if they just burned the flag on stage and would make a better shock value bc n.p.s.n.g.s is definitely the best song to hear being performed live. it’s weird tho bc when i first watched this, i never understood why no one talked abt the fact they were waving around the rising sun flag, something that gives people horrible memories of what imperial japan did, but i guess that’s mm for you, and no one thought too much of it. the lyrics definitely counteract what they are displaying on stage, so maybe that’s what they were trying to go for, who really knows. and making kami slowly dying near the end is just kind of poking at japan making all these people die in a war that japan knew they weren’t gonna win, while shouting “die game” a double meaning phrase depending on how you interpret it.
This is a subject that deserves to be better understood than saying that one or the other is n**i or fascists. Many vk bands have at one time used n**i outfits (malice mizer wore JAPANESE ARMY WW2 uniforms) or n**i symbols, but at no point was it appreciating the n**i and yes to shock or purely for the look . Something similar happened both in the US with some punks in the 70s and in England in the late 60s. I don't want to relativize this subject, but as I said at the beginning, we have to be very careful not to judge wrong.
@@mrzagalia it is not just for shock, but due to the fact that japan was allied with the nazis, a lot of their horrors didn't reach japan and therefore they are more tolerant and some even praise the nazis (not in a racist way but out of respect and for thinking hitler was cool, cus believe it or not hitler made it so Germany was the first country to exit the great depression by re-arming Germany and building better infrastructures)
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