I still believe the show should have been about John and his family. The resistance were a bore to watch and the only reason I stayed till the end was for John because I just skipped to his scenes. And they fucked it!
Agreed. John Smith and the plot around him was the only part of the show that mattered and was interesting and exciting. Hated any alt universe and resistance crap.
@@delpheus7658 The idea of a John coming to learn that the Axis Powers won't protect him or give him special treatment after Thomas' death made me think he was going to join the resistance and become an inside agent. But no.
@@nocturnalcove9736 not gonna lie, that sounds kinda cliche, but i honestly would have prefered a cliche ending over whatever bullshit they called an ending.
@@DashO51 Oh yeah cliche of a storyline but def needed for John's character. On paper it seems cliche. In practice it could have been something really special. His wife basically had the storyline when the entire family should have gone through this together.
@__--[...] Finished season 2 myself and still thought it was very good, season 3 however didn't look great so I didn't watch it, and a lot of people really disliked season 4 for a lot of different reasons.
@@generalleedle6883 I hear you, however, it still strikes me as odd that they would let John go drive in a large city knowing how big a target he is with only one car.
Heydrich (the real life one) didn't have his usual armoured escort when he was killed. Either due to schedule mishaps or some other reason, but it definitrly wasn't impossible to see
@@stefanfarrugia6736 I'm not too sure about this since it's only hearsay, but I thought Heydrich didn't like an escort as he wanted to be seen as a benevolent subsidiary to Hitler in Czechia. An armed escort would go against this delusion of his
This somehow reminds me of the real assasination attempt on Heydrich. Heydrich was wounded but managed to fight of his assasins with his sidearm though he later died in the hospital
@@johnathanvancouver363 Yeah, but who knows how many would be killed under Heydrich if he stayed alive (e.g. the assination attempt had not happened). Who knows, how far would Heydrich go with his goal of "germanising" the Czech lands, he was capable, so he would go on and proceed with it. Also the holocaust would be probably under his leadership. Eichmann was capale too, but he was just a uniformed buerocrat and his rank was too low to have a major impact. And also, Heydrich's assasination put a whole new light on the exiled Czechoslovak goeverment in London and it in reality was the turning point, from when on Churchill was able to admit, that the Czechs indeed are an unwilling part of the Reich, because up until that point, they were thought to be treated as allies to Hitler if he lost the war.
@@AlejjSi We were taken as allies of Germany mostly because we couldn´t defend thanks to the UK and France. They were the last countries who had any right critise us for it,although they often did.
@@tefky7964 Yes, that's true. But to our dismay, they were those who selected who was with Hitler and who was not. The problem was that president Hácha signed a document (yet again, he had no help from others and really no other choice), that said that the Czech nation surrenders itself willingly under the protection of the Fuhrer and the German Reich. So based on that, we accepted to be a part of their war machinery, although it was done under Goring's threat of bombarding Prague and Hácha nearly died during that night. The western allies sold us three times - in 1938. 1944 and again in 1968 and still we see ourselves stuck up in their arses. Only if we learned a lesson from Finland...
@@farthuffington6466 That's not generally how the WW2 vets of the allies thought. Many of them respected them as an enemy and some have made amends with their former enemies and even have friendly reunions and such with Axis vets. But whatever floats your boat.
@@farthuffington6466 Probably not, since that's tactless and unnecessarily vindictive but you're probably welcome to seek out one of these reunions find out yourself.
@@AaronPaulIbarrola Genocide was not only the basic goal of the war, it was baked into the way they conducted it - how they stole food and let people starve, how they killed their slaves and POWs. It is absolute chumpass behavior to go ah surely Hans had nothing to do with that, he's so nice to have beers with.
It's very interesting how Smith talks about this assassination attempt later in the episode when he enters his office building. "It may reassure you to liken terrorists to insects, but they inflicted great damage on us today. Never underestimate them." It was this level-headedness that enabled him to outmaneuver the power-hungry officials above him. Brilliant character writing.
Search the assassination attempt on General Charles De Gaule in real life , shot from multiple angles in the car same as heare , 127 bullets hit the car , not a single one hitting him , keep in mind the guy was also almost 2m tall , reality beats movies
I really liked how John was depicted as a killer. And I mean a real killer - a war veteran who most certainly "stacked bodies" with his own hands, in actual combat. He wasn't some wussy SS-man hiding behind a desk. Which is why he was so dangerous and managed to outmaneuver all of the other nazis.
@@The_Real_Alpharius Depends on which branch of the SS. the Waffen SS was the fighting force in question, but even then different divisions varied in quality and combat capability throughout the war. Other branches ranged from prison guards to bureaucrats, and even careerist politicians.
The SS was the most feared combat unit in WW2 even rivaling modern day SAS commandos, they where known for sheer brutality in combat and their fight to the death mentality made them extremely fierce opponents
same. i couldn't get past half the 3rd. then i heard about the 4th and that was all i needed to know to not waste my time. but 1&2...i don't understand what happened, why ruin a good thing?
@@delpheus7658 Just binged watched whole the show this week. The 4th season is actually pretty interesting to start with, there is a story you really want to follow and is worth watching, but all in all, it's literally only the John Smith storyline, and thats literally only like 15 minutes out of an entire 10 hour season, but even within that 15 minutes I'm talking about, they still manage to fuck that up too. They had tons of options, but they definitely took the "cheapest" and "shortest" option. They basically pulled a game of thrones and rushed the conclusion, all the cool things you actually wanted to see basically become a tool for the show to kill itself. Idk wtf people are talking about season 3, it's literally exactly the same as season 1 and 2. The only thing truly wrong with the last season is the ending, spoilers, the only character your still interested in dies.
I enjoyed the novelty of the premise, and I understand the book was written 60 years ago (haven't read, don't plan to read), but the supernatural side of it was just so unnecessary. There was so much to explore with the premise outside of that. The first season was great because it explored some very basic ideas, but as it went on, it just.. slipped. I never finished the second Season as it just wasn't as interesting to me.
Since John Smith was behind the driver, he was saved. This assassination would have been much more successful had they positioned shooters either on the roof and/or to the sides of the alley. When the car was stopped, they could have gotten him in a V formation and this would have been even more effective if there was fire coming from the rooftops. The shooters to the sides could have moved closer to the car, making sure that all the targets were dead.
I think with current set up it was fine, it's just that the two Thompson guys were shooting together which means reloading about the same time. Had they taken turns one could have pinned John down and the other flank around the car and gun him down.
@@HaloDude557 SMG, not so much, the thing about .45 is they mostly HP, not the FMJ, HP expand upon hitting soft or hard target before penetration, meant less penetration. He was saved by the driver bodies, then the cushion-lining of the seat also work in tandem to reduced the bullet travel distances. This is the reason may police in states especially in urban area switching to 9mm since their FMJ ammo was cheaper and pack enough punch to go through soft target in urban area. While the Rural - Interstate local county deputy and sheriff still rely on 357 and 38 since wildlife is a main threat, also those two dont drop as much as 9mm in distances.
@@RHD_lantz that's not true, HP does not reliably prevent overpenetration, it just reduces the risk. For example, shooting a 9mm HP into a torso will still fully penetrate, then continue going through multiple layers of drywall and several more inches of ballistic gel. In other words potentially lethal to the person behind still. Also, 45 ACP is traditionally FMJ. Always has been. Plus, these are terrorists fighting a war. Makes no sense they would use HP considering they NEED to shoot through vehicles and buildings.
Julius Caesar escaping his seemingly impossible situations during his campaigns looks like plot armor, yet it happened in real life, and he won. We should stop labeling everything as plot armor.
Initial Competence to Incompetence + Plot Armor really really fast. Still a good scene, but I think they could have done it better. (From a person who has never made a movie.)
@@sbhopper8511They should film it in a different way. A hail of bullets that miss from such close distance, that was painful to watch.(from a person who has shot various weapons)
and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why you always carry poison with you' semi spoiler, since stuff like this did happen: as a member of the resistance, you always carry poison with you because in case you get captured, you might end up getting tortured tortured until you died from it or ratted out who you were working for/with
Advanced insurgencies and spy agencies have this problem solves by awnsering to people they dont know aka everything in code names. See DS9 series on the bejoran terrorists. Cells communicate with eachother without seeing or knowing eachothers names, thus if one cell is lost none others can be found
@@unowno123 That’s good for the movement. but sucks for the captured agent who still gets tortured to death cause even if he wanted to he couldn’t confess..
I’ve not currently finished the show yet, I’m currently an episode deep into S4, I have to say that the first 2 seasons were absolutely incredible however the overall quality of the show diminished a little bit. S4 on the other hand, looks to be a bit disappointing already. The way they killed Tagomi not even half an episode in was dumb, I admit he wasn’t really doing much for the plot at that particular moment and he didn’t have an actual job to do in pushing it forward, they could’ve had a little bit more time dedicated to him before he was assassinated so it didn’t feel so out of nowhere and had real impact to his death. I’ll update this comment with my full opinions when I’ve finished!
@@maxh7637 I was very disappointed with how sharp Smith went from morally grey to straight out fucking stupidly evil I want to rule the multiverse shit, like yeah he was a bad guy but he just went all in full retard in the last few episodes, very disappointing ending to an otherwise good show that had its moments
@@odog1372 The greatest German tank was the panzer 3, the rest broke down too often to be great. Also maintenance was something they screwed up, which compounded the problem.
Honestly this scene and all the ones where a single person guns down an entire squad with a pistol was probably a warning that the shows quality could keep going down. It made no sense to me that John Smith somehow got out of that ambush alive, even if he is a veteran you don't really have much of a chance with a pistol vs 6 dudes with sub machine guns. Then Juliana did similar antics, and even the man in the high castle's wife shot like 6 people like it was call of duty and it looked really similar to this scene lol
I can fathom if it is the resistance who missed all the shots they made. After all, they are most likely civilians without army background But the man in the high castle's part? Why would a unit of special force armed with MP5s missed all the shots they made?
I have a silly question: the guy who is supposed to be the driver of the truck, WHAT WAS HE WAITING FOR IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SUPPRESSION FIRE THAT HIS BROTHERS IN ARMS WERE CONDUCTING?
Getaway driver . It was supposed to be kill smith and run like hell . Why is evident with the immediate arrival of police after smith shot him , if he had been in Cover the police would have killed then anyway
@@cdrkeller2930 This takes place in a world where Roosevelt was never President and never had the wartime economy as our world did. So they couldn't have any large stores of ammo.
@@sawyernorthrop4078 Like Max Lord from WW84? Bosley from Charlie’s Angels? Roman from Birds of Prey? Rowan and Kevin from Ghostbusters 2016? Fat Thor? Dead Tony Stark? Elderly Captain America? Buddy, this woke thing doesn’t stop with Star Wars and Man in the High Castle; it’s every major film being released these days!
@@IsaiahRichards692 all the marvel characters you just named were successful. Iron man saved the universe, Thor had an arc about overcoming adversity, and captain america was only old after living his whole life saving people. I don't see your point.
Very inconsistent skill displayed by the insurgents. The initial attack was very well coordinated, but they could have easily killed the surviving officer after he emerged from the vehicle with minimal risk. Why hang back and waste your ammo when you have an overwhelming firepower advantage? The writers could have done a better job, this just doesn’t make sense.
That and how the storm of slugs didn’t tear through the driver and kill the other officer. That and just having the shooters dump their mags at nothing, as if a Thompson was so fun to shoot.
All fighting scenes in this series are a joke, this one especially. The last straw for me was the scene where the jew guy's friend stole his gun which he was going to use to assassinate some Japanese leader. He conveniently bent over with the gun sticking out the back of his trousers exposing the gun. I don't know what happened next because I switched it off there and then and just laughed.
Well would a high ranking official be surrounded by convoy, atleast id make it mandatory especially in a area with opposition that any official over Major be escorted and kept in constant communication with like a home base till they arrive and are secured
In real life this is how they killed Heydrich and he didn’t have a whole escort. Neither did Archduke Ferdinand for that matter. And he was like legit royalty!
Likely a very rushed shot, poorly aimed, maybe the door of the car blocked it? The car door was facing at a angle so the bullet has to go through more steel to penetrate the metal and hit Smith.
This year its based in 1962, 15 years after the end of the war in 1947. So im pretty sure they would not have electronic sirens until probably 3 years later.
The story took place way after the end of alternate WWII in the 50s I think. They could have updated the style of how a NAZI occupied America would be like instead of keeping the more 1945 look
Unless of course, the Resistance Fighters armed with .45 ACP Thompson Submachine Guns, lacked any kind of Firearms Training when axis won WW2 Right? The Resistance need to learn how to use their firearms, by aiming their weapons carefully, and fire in Short Bursts, not just hipfire and spray and pray hoping to hit the Target. They'll waste their ammo in Full Auto inaccurate, not to mention Civilian Casualties and Collateral Damage.
No because the Reich knows that the american culture cannot be suppressed until decades. The real suppression of the america culture begins with SPOILERS "Jahr Null" in S3 with the destruction of the Statue of the Liberty
Germans realistically wouldn't suppress a majority ethnic Germanic culture like 1940s America they never planned of renaming cities that kept there orginal population now the new cities in eastern Europe built on the ashes of old are a different story
Classic sh*t. "OKAY THE RESISTANCE GUYS...REMEMBER NOT TO KILL THE IMPORTANT CHARACTER...AAAANDDD ACTION !!" . Have they heard of something like "grenades" ? Philip K. Dick turning in his grave, smh.
Seriously digging the fucking swave as hell coat. I won't care if it has an American Reich arm band on it. I'll rip that shit off if I have to have my sick leather coat.
Full auto = 0 accuracy. Soldiers only really switch to full auto for suppressing fire. Full auto chews through ammo and gets yiu nowhere other than being under fire with guns and no ammo. It looks cool in movies and tv shows, in reality it will just get you killed.
How could they miss!?!?!? You got KO’d by a guy who didn’t even carry a reload. Anyway as a student of and a shootist myself who carries either a 9mm or a 9x18 Makarov I want to offer a few chunks of info. Standard load for a WW2 spec P-38 9mm ( which smith used both times) was a 115 grain FMJ bullet. FMJs tend to sail through soft tissue and unless you get a head or lower body shot chances are with adrenaline you’ll pretty much ignore the hits. I suspect that to kill those men smith would have needed the whole 8 or 9 shots to put a guy on the ground. The 1911 fires off a slower but way heavier .45 ACP bullet weighing 230 grains. The slower but heavier .45 ACP is actually capable of knocking smith down if he got hit. With that many Thompson SMGs he would have been hit several times for sure. As to the no reload that’s wrong. The holsters shown in the belts of the Nazis were WW2 flap or hard case holsters for a P-38 those holsters all have a pouch sewn onto the outside with a spare magazine. Smith would have had a second magazine to use as well. At the range those guys were shooting from there is no way they should have missed
These people obviously weren’t professional a better way would be unloading the first clip reloading hopping off the truck then from both windows firing inside the car even thought there’s other ways and I’m not a professional that would have been a good way to handle things but it’s a show anyways so does it really matter
Even though this is a TV series in real life Americans would never be ruled by a foreign power theoretically all the free people of the world an army of 2.5 billion would go against Japan Italy and Germany the Axis power would not be able to survive against an army of over 1 billion soldiers
