Heather and Alejandro are the BEST manipulators in the whole Total Drama franchise. Alejandro manipulated: Bridgette, Leshawna, Lindsay(not that much), DJ, Noah, Owen, Harold(not that much), Courtney, Cody and kind of Heather in TDWT. Heather manipulated: Eva, Trent, Lindsay and Beth in TDI and TDAS. Mal wasn’t manipulative, instead he just rigged the votes and broke people’s stuff. Mal is just one of Mike’s alters. Heather and Alejandro are real manipulators. Scott is kind of a manipulator, but nothing compared to Heather and Alejandro.
Uhm no ? She was the only one that was knew alejandro’s true intentions from the start and was not manipulated by him if anything she manipulated him to help her eliminate duncan and then save her in the dinosaur challenge only to get him eliminated if not for sierra blowing it up … not only that she manipulated him AGAIN even after he knew she betrayed him in the finale … idk about you about you but if she was able to do all that to Alejandro then She’s definitely THE show’s best villain.
You also forgot to mention Heather manipulating courtney and gwen pitting them against each other to earn her own vote in TDWT , getting blainely eliminated and manipulated cody by helping him get rid of sierra and then manipulated sierra against cody and alejandro when they were helping each other
@@NC3186 actually no since Scott didnt pass the 4 one so Bowie win against him,, and Mal suck and didnt manipulate anyone,, hes just break stuff,, Duncan was a better manipulator than both
@@NC3186 Zoey is an idiot,, Sierra is a yandere and Sam avec OCD,, Cameron was dumbed down,, its not good manipulation if he just abuse the stupidity of some and the other character have to be nerf to make him work
Heather and Alejandro are definitely the best manipulators in the show, no contest. They have tricked the other team(mostly Alejandro) to kick off their most useful players and Heather was aware of which people are most susceptible to her manipulation. Scott and Mal, however, are horrible at manipulating. Sure, Scott definitely fits the role as manipulator to an extent, but he usually just sabotaged his own team and got someone randomly eliminated, even though, realistically, that is a horrible move cause that could still lead to him being eliminated. Mal was just terrible at manipulating, the only reason he still managed to get to the final two was dumb luck and poor writing. I don’t even know where to begin with when it comes to either topics. Cameron was able to tell that Mike had a Multi-personality disorder from a couple of days on the show, but suddenly he couldn’t recognize Mal as another personality? Then we have Duncan who recognized Mal from Juvie but he says nothing about it to his team. Alejandro soon found out and decided not to show anyone, he just said that he had proof “in the art.” As for the new revivals, I’ll start with Julia. She was actually pretty-well written, there were subtle hints that pointed to her having a fake personality for her followers and when she was revealed to be a horrible person, she took advantage of that and incorporated it into her strategy to secure safety during the voting round which got her pretty far mostly on her own merit than dumb luck. Bowie is deemed a manipulator in the show, but I don’t really see him that way, he even said it at the beginning that he only came to win, there was no lie there. Of course, he did use underhanded tactics like the confessionals recordings and betraying the person he was getting close to to make sure they get the boot immediately. I would consider Bowie to be strategist with a manipulative side to him.
Scott's 'manipulation' consisted of him gaslighting his team into thinking that certain members were being bad, which is a bit funny to think about imo
i really liked julia’s character because not only was she well written, she was also very talented similar to how alejandro and heathers characters were but yeah scott was just a weak villain, mal was only strong because the writting made all of the other characters worse, scarlett from tdpi was just insane for a show about teens, and sugar? (who i think was a antagonist) was jsut pretty weak
Thats not even manipulate he just convinced them he is a treat which obviusly he is he is 1 of 5 most scary looking competitors He manipulated julia off guard which isnt hard and priya sort of which wasnt hard at all Mal did manipulated some but unlikly as bowie it wasnt his mission he wanted 2 things , money & fun
Sorry, but Bowie is a better manipulator than Mal, he managed to manipulate Julia (the main villain) to work with him, so he can betray her easily. All Mal did was breaking stuff and rig the votes to get Cameron eliminated, which didn't work out either.
mal managed to eliminate the whole cast courtney got destroyed on the spot al couldnt do much cz nobody trusted him and mal advantaged it scott got toast in the late game cameron gone crazy advantaging zoey's love to mike and manipulate her to hopeless chances i wont countnie , have no power
@@NC3186 Mal had nothing to do with Lindsay, Lightning, Jo, Sam, Heather and Duncan's elimination He was just bullying Cameron and attended to get him out by rigging the votes, not succeeding The fact that nobody believed Al is just dumb luck, same for the fact that the other characters were dumbed down this season, so he was able to get away with everything he did every time The only reason he made the finale is thanks to Zoey, if anyone else won the challenge he wouldn't have been picked No hate, but Mal is not so good as a villain/manipulator and you seem to overrate him. I agree with the others though
@@entymash any strategy that allows u to get abused by someone and dominated by someone is a stupid dumb strategy and that can have anyone get tricked 😂 Bowie sucks just like he sucks 🍆 🤮
HEAR ME OUT heather's way of manipulating people is pretty good but the only reason she got so much further than she should've in season 1 is because she got rng invincibility in the pirate treasure hunt challenge💀💀
also cody getting mauled to death was crazy heather plot armour, and the cooking challenge because of some crazy superstition that everyone had with beth
Mal wasn’t a whole character, that was the whole point of Mikes character. Mal is the goofy cartoon villain persona of Mike, created as a sort of protector persona when he was in the same juvenile prison as Duncan. Mal isn’t supposed to be a complex individual person, he’s supposed to be put into the whole context of Mike and the other personalities.
>TDI Heather >Manipulator Bro, I legit watched TDI since the beggining. But Bowie and Julia were better than Heather, girl legit just made it to the final 3 with pure luck lol
@@NC3186really Zoe mikes girlfriend realized NOTHIGN Cameron THE PERSON WHO LITTERALLY HELPED MIKE WITH HIS PERSONALITES realized nothing Duncan the man who knew it was mal did nothing Uhuh sure buddy
@@NC3186Nah EVERYBODY was dumbed down for the sake of Mike's plot. They even nerfed Alejandro's physical strength to make Mal look threatening when he hurt Alejandro's wrist. If Mal had tried that in season 3 Alejandro would've folded his ass.
@@NC3186 examples of the all stars cast being dumbed down for Mal: (no hate btw I loved the video) 1. Zoe didn’t figure it out until near the end, and then decided to keep him in the game? 2. Alejandro went straight to Mal when he figured it out 3. Cameron (the one who figured out his mpd on his own), not realizing Mike was Mal 4. Courtney keeping a paper of her evil plans (why tf did she even wright them down they aren’t that hard to remember)
Why are we literally using the entire comment section just to tell the creator of the short to change who better, he/she won't change it anyways and the comments prob boost the vid in some way.
@@NC3186mal barely manipulated anyone. He mostly just sabotaged and manipulated his friends, who had insane trust in him. Still a great villian. But i wouldn’t rank him up there with scott or al or even heather myself.
Scott is also bad,he was always a goofy man but he only got advantage in season 4 bc he was playing with noobs,in season 5 they had all the master minds,the pros,he cant manipulate those at all so he just looked like a goofy weak one
Ok, I hope he means that they are good manipulators, not good villains in the show, because Julia and Bowie are some of the best villains the show has seen since Alejandro.
Hear me out, Edit: added Scott Mal was actually a pretty good manipulator I mean at the beginning of the season he manipulated EVERYONE into thinking he’s mike Scott wasn’t a rlly good manipulator buttt he got dawn out of the game BY MANIPULATING
Gurl.. Just bc one of your fav characters are out does not mean they are that bad but this time I kinda agree. Although I am not a Dawn fan more of a Scott Fan but not really that much, I feel that Scott is not really good as a manipulator but more as an antagonist
scott is surely a great character, but not the brightest villain, his plan of constantly making his team lose fell flat BUT he's still enjoyable and probably the only character I fully enjoyed in all stars (mostly bc he wasn't really a villain anymore) but mal...he was honestly pretty bad executed making everyone look dumb and thats writer's fault, not because mal was great. tho I don't think the idea of mike having a evil personality was a bad idea
Hello! I'm watching TDI on netflix and there were 2 seasons. I haven't watched them all yet but yk i'm confused, did they replace the original characters with new ones or are the original characters still there? On the show? And is netflix airing all seasons or are there only two seasons?
@@kpop_shorts9968The OG cast will stay for three seasons then Chris will get a new cast for the 4th season and in the fifth season some OG characters will mix with the 4th season cast it was a horrible season Courtney Duncan Heather Gwen Lindsay Sierra And Alejandro The 6th season was a monstrosity called Pahkitew Island which had horrible plots and a brand new cast you should skip that season most of the characters are annoying af it was overall dodshit. Luckily for us, the 7th season was way better and had Noah, Owen, and Geoff come back it also had a new host named Don and he wasn't that bad. And sorry idk about season 8 cuz I only watched 5 episodes the season is available on BBC Iplayer just say ur from a random place in the UK and use a British VPN and you'll be good.
@@NC3186 Mal only “destroyed the whole cast” because the said “whole cast” was stupid. 😒 Scott was pretty good, but kinda goofy. They definitely don’t beat Bowie or Julia though, not in a long shot. 😌
@@TotalDramaHarold Yea He tricked eveyone hes Mike. Tricked Zoey Cameron and whole lot of the hero team. By breaking stuff he broke Sara and Sem mentally.
True, but he isn't a manipulator since he's completely upfront with his evil deeds, he doesn't try to hide them. Only reason he doesn't get in trouble is because he's in charge and promised them a chance at lots of money for competing
all of the characters In this video are great antagonists I would say Julia is a manipulator she did manipulate her fans which was like 300 pre TDI Reboot (and I mean in canon) into thinking she was this kind chill girl when she is a pretty bad person
Action and WT had such a step down in quality from plots flanderzantion etc. Island is Amazing but it's dragged down by Heather's massive plot armor and Poorly unexplained/BS eliminations
Okay, I know everybody hates Mal, but listen. He was literally able to manipulate the whole entire All Stars cast, and since Zoey was head over heels for Mike, he was able to get to the finale. He sabotaged challenges, (For example: the ice cream challenge, boat race challenge, etc.), and was able to get everyone to believe that Alejandro let Cam fall during the mining challenge, even though Alejandro made an attempt to help Cam. Mal was also easily able to get on Chris good side since they both liked scary things. (Can be seen in the ice cream challenge, when Chris “forgot” to feed his interns, and when Mal was able to stay in the game because he brought back in injured competitor a.k.a Scott in the pirate loot challenge.) He tampered with the votes by making multiple copies of Cameron, tried for form an alliance with Alejandro, tried to form ANOTHER alliance with Zoey, and Cam. Not to mention that he already knew a lot about the game, when he first got introduced, was good at challenges, which also played a part with him making it to the final 2. I can pretty much guarantee you that if Mike had been in control, the whole season, he wouldn’t have made it as far as he did. Mal literally did ALL of this while pretending to be Mike. If that’s not master manipulating, than I don’t know what is.
Hello! I'm watching TDI on netflix and there were 2 seasons. I haven't watched them all yet but yk i'm confused, did they replace the original characters with new ones or are the original characters still there? On the show? And is netflix airing all seasons or are there only two seasons?
@@kpop_shorts9968i think in netflix there are 2 seasons, but u can see the others seasons on yt! The oficial total drama channel is airing season 3 (world tour) on a stream! And i didnt watch the reboot either, but i think they replaced the characters, but, they still bring back SOME of the memories of the first cast, that's what i could say to u.
I'm sorry but Bowie and Julia were way better than Mal and Scott, both of their tactics literally sucked. Scott sabotaging his team only works for the first few challenges because then you actually need players to win against the other teams to save yourself. He then got super dumbed down in All Stars. Mal literally just antagonized Cameron and broke other people's stuff. Bowie was way more strategic than all of them even making it to the finals, and Julia only got found out later in the season and managed to dominate the competition making it to 4th.
The only reason Mal was a "good" manipulator was because total drama made every other character weak and a complete idiot 💀 All he really did was break things and laugh evil-ly for the fun of it
mal as a "Manipulator 😈" feels insulting considering its the same level as heather and alejandro in the video, they literally dumbed down every character just so mal could have plot armor and make it to the final 2 in the most anticlimactic way since zoey figures it out before the finale mal is not a better manipulator than bowie or julia bro 😭💀💀
There is no way you put Mal and Scoot over Julia and Bowie. Julia wasn't really a manipulator she was just mean. But Bowie got rid of 3 to 4 people in a small season. that's a good feat
@@mandu859 manipulating more people than bowie and Julia ever could do , having superhuman strength, almost breaking people's bones and rigging the votes and taking over a humans head
@@mandu859 and plus I saw in the other short you called bowie an asshole and hopes he gets out next season early . Mal was a better villain , a better manipulator and overall a great manipulator
Tbh Julia was more of a manipulator than Bowie. Bowie had to eliminate Julia because she was way better than Bowie in the challenges. Even Julia says it herself saying she has beaten Bowie more times than she could count. That’s why Bowie had to eliminate her because he couldn’t stand a chance.
Mal got mad plot armour bcs when he came around everyone just loses braincells cameron figured that mike had DID but couldnt figure out that mike had a new personality?? And when mal grabbed alejandro hand and somehow it hurts him? Total bs
Ok even if mal is the worst character in the series I still think that because of his power of plot armor he would probably destroy both of them. I mean mal has some super power to make everyone around him dumb so writers probably would make them as idiot to make him look intimidating and threatening lmao. But let's be honest we all know julia and bowie >>>>>>> mal
apparently some people didnt actually watch the show bc mal manipulated a bunch of people including mike, the literal person he is a part of. scott manipulated everyone on his team to vote dawn off for pretty much no reason
well she was the only one who knew his secret so she had to be voted off if she hadnt voted off she would potentially tell some people leading to them doubting his leadership or cooperations and would ultimately lead to his downfall. He cant just infinitely find mclane invincibilities and literally scott is like a top tier manipulator and player but he got nerfed hard in all stars. Scott literally not only manipulated the whole team but the game to he constantly tricked the game and sabatoging his team so they he wouldnt have a chance of getting voted off.
ima stop you right there ima make a list bc it’s more convenient 1. the only reason mal is “considered a threat” (not really) is because the writers were actually a bunch of monkeys who made all the characters have smooth monkey brains 2. although mal did technically manipulate zoey and cameron, that’s kind of it. even if you consider it manipulating and not bad writing, that’s only 2 people, while heather and alejandro out eat them heavily, and I think julia does too. 3. scott has no strategy in reality. his entire “plan” is to ruin his team, and then depend on immunity and invincibility statues which is a really stupid strategy, especially for TOTAL DRAMA so yeah these 2 “villains” are not the sharpest tools in the shed
@@annoyingpoc698 regardless of their "plot", compared to the other competitors, Mal is pathetic and only was able to be considered a villain because of the writers stupid decisions and the seasons horrible circumstances
Heather is 100% a manipulator and Alejandro, personally a lot of people might be like Chris but everyone already knows what’s going on so Chris isn’t a Manipulator more like an antagonist When people are talking about the antagonist feel free to mention Chris all you want, but heather and Alejandro and definitely the manipulators watch Season 1 , 2 and 3 and come back to me before you can disagree (watch the show first :D) P.S I know it’s not that deep ❤
The first ones are just narcissists who tries to win by theirselves ALONE with strategy for good. The second ones are pure cruel manipulators who does it for bad. (and fun) Heather is both of them
@@NC3186 No, Heather and Alejandro manipulate many contestants but julia? She manipulate the social media, shes pretending to be an nice, calm influencer but in reality shes a judgemental
@@NC3186 Heather was also terrible villain who survived off luck even in the writers admitted in playa da losers if everyone hated her how did she make finale and then deflected with a joke
@@SuperCena-xj8eo but she ended most of those alliances example when she has Gwen's diary she could have used to blackmail into joining her alliance maybe even getting Cody Trent and Leshwana to vote whoever she wants getting her full control of who goes home instead she reads it amd sacrifices Justin a good meat shield she could have saved later just got lucky Cody or Justin voted for someone else or that her alliance didn't turn her or Izzy or Owen did not change their minds as there proven to be to be unpredictable all for what to put how target on back making harder to make alliances in the merge or even avoid elmantion since she is pretty hates on top Gwen has Cody Leshwana and Trent who outnumber alliance and could easily vote her off if not for her plot armor. She got lucky plenty of times like people believing in Beth's Curse getting immunity luckily when her stunt with Trent depended Trent being a moron and Gwen telling someone is still increased target on her back and if not for the pass she got out of luck they would rather voted her off than Trent what about Eva returning during the first merge challenge making her a meat shield for Heather again what about everyone in playa da losers acting like morons and Chris tricking Leshwana out. Also her get lucky the votes in Izzy elmantion sure she made a alliance with Duncan that was forgotten about next episode but even with Geoff that's not enough votes Izzy won't vote herself off Owen won't vote off his girlfriend Gwen and Leshwana hate Heather there is nothing confirming Duncan forced Owen to vote for Izzy. Also there are also her many immunity wins out of luck Heather is amazing character and plot wise she is great MV because of how funny and iconic but as a strategist she is leagues below Alejandro Scott Bowie Julia Ice Dancers TDI Duncan(he is the secondary villain)
