Marathon Airlines E-195 Serbia Intersection Takeoff/Eclipse Jet Towbar. 19 Feb 24 

"Minor incident" in Belgrade. That's what you get for boarding a third-world airline. Unbelievable!

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It is a European airline. At least it wasn't a Boing. @@vgrof2315

Serbia is technically a 2nd world country. However, poor judgement is a characteristic of people in any country.

yeah, it's not that fast and one of the least expensive jets you can buy. He isn't accurate on this plane.

Brazillian planes are built different... Holy moly this thing didnt brake apart :O

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Do you work for Boeings marketing department?

Autoland lol

All that extra antennae attached to the aircraft reminds me of the German WW2 HE-219 night fighter.

that was funnier than it should have been

Remember as close to total disaster as it was, it is equally as close to not having happened at all.

Exactly, I would have chosen to ground plane asap, screw holding patterns. If that wing unbolted or even bent you might suddenly encounter a uncontrollable airplane without a Cirrus Parachute installed or individual ejection seats with parachutes either. Also scratched my head, designers can implement Soo many ways to get folks to the ground safety if loss of elevator, tail or wing damage. But I just assume they sit down with insurance vs cost to add these safety designs & saving costs comes before saving lives. In this analogy, "It's not cheaper to keeper" lmao 🤣 🤣😂

@@yungrichnbroke5199 I dunno about that...

Defines a lucky escape. The crew will have some explaining to do.

@@yuglesstube Yes, indeed.

My CFI's plane has the ignition key on the keyring with the towbar pin

I did the tow-bar thing a 206 that just came out of annual inspection at Independence Oregon. After thoroughly pre-flighting the aircraft in the hanger, while I was writing out the check in the office one of the mechanics pulled it outside, and while holding the pilot's door open handed me the keys, and said "Thanks, have a nice flight!" I jumped-in and departed on 16, but when I was about 100ft above the runway I heard a "TWANG!" a red blur flew up and over the left wing. I looked back in the cockpit and saw no tow-bar. I came back and landed when I taxied back to the shop on the south end of the airport and the mechanic met me with the tow bar they witnessed land on the ramp not far from the shop, now with a long diagonal cut in the handle. Fortunate it was one of those thin flimsy late model Cessna Tow bars and not the old 1/2" solid steel ones, and the only mark was a bit of red paint and aluminum on a couple of prop blades. Later when I told a friend, a former USAF instructor, he said: I always instructed my guys that the last thing to do before getting in the cockpit, was to step back about 20ft and walk entirely around the aircraft looking for anything out of place as you can catch things you or your crew missed looking close-up

@@jackoneil3933While it is pilots responsibility, I like to leave the towbar aft of the prop and next to the nose tire if I ever move just before departure and don’t have access to the baggage/storage for it.

@@jackoneil3933 took me a second to realise you meant Cessna not Bell... confused me for a moment, I must be getting old :)

@@TheReadBaron91 Yup, I do that in the hanger but outside I try to not let it out of my hand unless it's stowed. I recall a long time ago a guy here in Oregon actually taxied out and and took off with one of those old Briggs and Stratton powered power-tows attache to a Baron. As I recall it caused some damage to one prop and the airframe.

Same here, holy crap do I have respect for that aircraft. It's the A-10 of the civilian world.

and the Air Astana incident in 2018 as well

@@MeppyMan The pilot here seems to be the key factor in the accident, not the plane. Whether he took the wrong taxiway (D5 instead of D6) or just outright miscalculated the takeoff distance, the plane doesn't appear to have failed here.

The fighting spirit of Brazil, so proud my country made that

​@@MeppyManthe plane caused them to take off mid runway?

Vale lembrar que um Embraer Legacy 600 se chocou de frente com um Boeing 737 sobre a Amazônia e o Boeing caiu e o Legacy conseguiu pousar mesmo com avarias na asa e na calda em uma base militar secreta do governo Brasileiro.

Where did you hear all this, I'm interested in knowing more

​@@bojan0258 bato imas exyuaviation na engleskom i na sprskom tangosix

​@@bojan0258it's in The Aviation Herald. In Google type "Serbia Embraer 195",select the "news" tab and it's one of the top search results.

​@@bojan0258channel called vas aviation

​@@bojan0258 The audio is available, I heard it first on reddit on both r/serbia and r/aviation

YET=You’re Eligible Too

@@duncanhopkins101 That is how I as a surgeon think of complications. Could happen to my patient, must take care to avoid it.

It was a full plane too, with mostly workers going back after the national holiday i serbia, so the bags packed, going to düsseldorf tanks full to the brim too. The control tower told him he was on the wrong intersection, other controller called him, probably the shift manager, told him, offered to guide him out and back on the right place, told him to compute again if he wants to stay there and call him if he's happy with that, it was the crew's decisions, their authority too, control did everything right, informed him not just about intersection, but available runaway left, and left him decide like it has to, it was just stupi, if he had to reject the take off with that heavy a plane he woul've been screwed.

@@dannyboy-vtc5741 Wow! So not just a misreading or other simple error.

@@dannyboy-vtc5741 Indeed, I readed this, too. And with 106 people on board, most of them carrying luggage, it was a heavy loaded aircraft for an Embraer. Really shocking and unbelievable. You can get the impression as if the Pilots had no clue about the performance data of their Aircraft.

@@NicolaW72 well, according to the reports, the captain, he was an italian apparently, was experienced, and an istructor for the type, the copilot was polish and fairly new to the company and inexperienced, very usual to pair inexperienced and very experienced crew in all airlines i suppose. The company was itself greek, some smal charter company that operates only embraers and leases them, only line the company itself serves os for benghazi, libya, where most companies don't fly i would think, so a bit shady, or survining on higher risk taking. They flew for air serbia, which has it's own pecurialities, as in not owning any planes, using only dry and wet leases, gone thru rapid expansion lately with a lot of new lines they had to rent planes and crew for, just at the time arabs pulled out, can't remember which, but one of the two big ones had majority share, then minority, then the state has full ownership again and employes that expansion politics with rented planes and crew. The airport itself is state owned but concessed to a french company to operate it, so it's a mess to understand it all, air serbia doesn't operate embraer at all, so even if wanted, can't have domestic crew for the type at the moment. It is weird, the crew cocked it up in an epic proportion, but afterwards also saved the day, it's probably fatigue due to high work load, due to company politics with not enough crew for everything, probably some initial training at greek company too, everyone has its own share of the blame, but the crew cocked it up on the spot, the traffic control told them they exited in the wrong itersection, offered to take them in and lead the to original one, they declined, told them how much runaway had left and to calculate if it suits them and to call back, they had every chance to change the outcome, it was the crew decision to take off from there after they were warned about it, so..

Flex T/O-3 probably 🤔

You must not be familiar with planes. Most have flares in the event they get shot at

@@GardenGuy1942​​⁠WTF? Flares and missiles have nothing at all to do with anything, that has anything remotely to do with the incidents on this video. That’s in the first place. Second place- the typical GA and commercial aviation plane does not carry flares around for a combat zone. What in the actual blue f***…..

​@@GardenGuy1942what

​@hoolihanohoolihan1011 that was the most bot reply I have ever read lol

@@GardenGuy1942yeah dont forget the counter missiles hidden in the wing fairings.

I fly a lot with LOT Polish Airlines within Europe (Warsaw is a good hub for many Eastern European destinations), and the E-195 is their main aircraft - always feels sturdy and well-built!

Gotta give it that. Not many crashes or incidents are great marketing oportunities.

@@andrewtaylor940Yes.

Embraer > Airbus

You should see Gol 1907 crash with a legacy.

@@biad4440 I stand corrected! I can't believe the Legacy landed!

if the stabilizer got damaged worse it could have been a terribly short flight, they flew about 1km away from mry building.

Indeed - Astana Flight 1388 came into my mind, too.

Turn the thing off - didn't need them 20 years ago

You can also set up focus for iPhone which can automatically shift to airplane mode when you are in a specific geographic area (your airport)

Good Job...!

Or was it a metro?

@@DJ99777 Definitely a Jetstream, it's all that airline ran.

I've flown 31 and 32s for about 6k hours. Never seen a pogo. The rear passenger airstair door when locked down is the pogo. I've definitely had to move pax forward to allow the door to close. Was the 32 you waived down a cargo mod?

No J I’ve ever flown had a pogo stick. That’s why I ask.

This. Always.

Indeed

that was a big boom

Same here.

Reading this warms the heart of a very jaded mechanic. I used to restore vintage vehicles and I take special care of my daily drivers, doing checks like those you mentioned. If more people did what you are doing, so many stupid accidents could be prevented and so much unnecessary waste could be prevented (both mechanically and from a financial perspective). Look after your machine and it will look after you when you most need it. Usually when you stamp on all the brakes or swerve to avoid something at 70mph. If the vehicle is in good condition, it will do exactly what you ask it to do in those situations rather than spit a balljoint out or lock 3 out of 4 wheels and fire you into the scenery. I hope that your travels are wonderful and that your trusty faithful van looks after you as well as you look after it. 🇬🇧 🤝🇺🇸

@restojon1 thank you for the reply. I am obsessed with taking care of this vehicle. It's my home. Maintenance is expensive, but not as much as repairs. I was talking to a fellow nomad a month ago and mentioned that I had just spent 12 dollars washing my van. He commented that he had never washed his Jeep. I could tell, too. He'll wish he had once he has to replace wheel bearings and break cylinders and front-end parts. This desert is dusty, and that will ruin many things if ignored.

@@ericcox6764The biggest risk of living in a camper van is CO poisoning, either from vehicle exhaust or from heaters. Do you have a good CO detector placed at or below bed level?

@mehere8299 Thank you for the reply! Absolutely, and a smoke detector in the ceiling. You are 100% right in what you are saying. I've met several van dwellers that use a propane stove to heat their vehicles with. I always warn them about the dangers of their actions, but they are free to do as they choose. I've NEVER used a gas heater while I sleep and have added extra insulation to the seam on the rear doors to make them air tight if I need to run the engine. Currently, I'm using an indoor safe heater with a low oxygen cutoff that works almost too well. It'll run for 15 minutes if I have everything closed, so I'll position it by the side door while open just a little bit, with a small computer fan blowing in fresh air. It still heats okay this way. I'll be installing radiant floor heat later this year that will vent the CO gas out of the passenger window. I have an HVAC contractor from Milwaukee who is helping me design the system. He's installed thousands of those systems over the past 35 years. I'm super paranoid about gas poisoning, having experienced very mild CO poisoning years ago. I had one of those tank top heaters in an enclosed building. I started to get really light-headed, and my eyes were burning badly. The last thing I want is to wake up dead one morning. That would ruin my fun.

Well luckily everybody lived. If he had tried to stop what would the outcome have been been?

Above V1 is above V1

@@heikojakob6491 Indeed... And in this case V1 was eventually achieved, in spite of loss of runway and added drag of ILS antenna removal.

@@jackoneil3933 Starting the takeoff run with only half of the runway, V1 is pretty low and probably already exceeded as soon as the engines completely spooled up ...

His last job as pilot. Thinking he was in Citation, runway 3500 m. used 1200 m. No way to abort takeoff, else finish in cornfield over motorway or highway. And antenna missed engine for few feet, with one engine-cornfield and fatalities. Plane decided to be written off. Contract of wet-lease with Greek Marathon air. cancelled. Pilot can stil dust the farm fields.

Next up: Flex Tape plane!

No joke: I keep a roll of aluminum tape in my tool bag in my Bonanza. Fortunately never needed it.

Flew ok without it.

To show the power of Flex Tape, I sawed this Embraer in half! And repaired it with only Flex Tape!

Bear bond would be better. We used Mach one tape in the Navy

Huh, there's a decent amount of overlap between train/plane transportation then, interesting!

​@@Takyodor2 Yes. There sure is.

My thoughts exactly!

They are a nice aircraft. Comfortable with low vibration. The 3-2 layout is good too.

Now,now. Boeing can fly without doors quite safely,even without the plug.

As for Boeing 737 door plugs coming off this would save time evacuating the aircraft if it had a belly landing. Boeing...ahead of their time in safety.

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Looks very repairable. There may not even be any damage to primary structure.

Or the front …

Thank God it's an Embraer, not a Boing 😂

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Similar experience. Was once asked if I accepted an intersection t/o in a Cessna 152 which left me 3,000ft, which was fine. However, during the t/o run, engine r.p.m. dropped slowly, which left me with the decision to crash into the ILS antenna or to slowly creep into the air. Well, I very slowly climbed, flew a relatively low pattern and landed. But mind you, I shall very carefully weigh to comply with any intersection t/o request.

Comair 5191 comes painfully to mind. They were not so lucky.

Maybe they are graduates of Russian Air Academy?

@@SubgunmanNo. This was an Aircraft of Marathon Airlines, a Greek Airline, only flying on behalf of Air Serbia. It was a crew from Marathon Airlines, not Air Serbia. To what I readed today the Captain came from Italy, the First Officer from Poland. So there was definetely no relationship with Russia. Maybe a communication problem contributed to the accident (two Pilots with very different native languages). Hopefully the CVR can be read out, it would be crucial for the investigation.

Witnesses say it missed the highway by 6-7 meters. Also if you listen to the ATC recording, they were warned by the Tower ATCO that they lined up on D5 yet they decided to go anyways :/

@@bahenbihenYes, indeed. It was really Great Luck and a very sturdy Aircraft that made them land normally without any Injuries. The Pilots obviously totally messed up here.

Good Man !

Seeing people who tie their dog to the bumper when they're at a park or something or people who put their child seat on the roof......

Another good reason to not allow intersection takeoffs! The runway behind you is not useful!

@@garydrew2360 huh?

I highly doubt that without probably broken slats, flaps and spoilers the runways would be long enough with a crap load of fuel and PAXes.

I like the igea of having less fuel in case then unknown damages caused complications during landing and another incident. Less flammable is a good thing

Yes but they did not know the extent of the damage incurred, I would have been more worried to know whether a big piece of airframe would fall of and then not have the aerodynamics to continue to fly. @@johngoscinski1995

Sorta like taking off with a towbar attached...sorta. :)

Good eye!

Yes, indeed, when looking closely you can really see it.

Very lucky he didn't clip that antenna array with the left engine and FOD it. That would not have been minor! Tough bird, glad it made it back down. Did he use all the runway to land?

@@tompetrushka1627Maybe he did an intersection landing. 🤣

Seriously. 😳

Agreed, achieving the minimum delay looks great in the sim but in real incidents there’s a whole lot of human stuff going on.

Fair enough, but they also don't know what condition the plane is in, other than that it is flying at the moment. I wouldn't make that flight last any longer than necessary.

It wasn't as fun for the passengers tho. There are some witness statements out and oh boy are they traumatized

@@texyp.856 I'm sure.

Stapleton was a bitch in the summer. FO on an AA dash 80. Made 3 trips from the runway to the terminal to take pax's off as the temperature kept going up before we could take off. Nice when DIA opened.

The paint job almost always looks better from that perspective!

Haa!!

I triple dog dare you

Well, mostly one piece.

Except, they weren't the serbs, air serbia does not operate the type, so this plane is rented together with the crew, the captain was i think italian, supposedly experienced and instructor for the type, copilot was i think polish and new in the company. The company itself is greek charter company, seems bit shady, operates only several embraers, only line transport company has is a line to benghazi libya, so where most don't fly. Air serbia conducted some rapid expansion lately, with a lot of new lines everywhere, but has no own planes, all are either dry or wet lease, has not enough crew, their main airport, this one, is leased to a french company to operate. It's a mess all together there.

Yes, I, too. One addition: Marathon Airlines is a small GREEK airline, providing ACMI services. They´re doing Wetlease at the moment for Air Serbia. It wasn´t a plane from Air Serbia, allthough it carries their livery.

As a side note regarding the DC-10, during FAA certification it demonstrated safe flight with all slats fully retracted on one wing (vs only those outboard of the engine on AA 191). That was in cruise flight, however. The Chicago accident combined retracted slats with inadequate airspeed for the configuration.

Well, the pilots reported the flaps not working, so they landed with them retracted. That was probably the hydraulic lines or some other damage.

WX here in Tucson is changing rapidly today. Almost completely cloudy now.

I did like the short l time in a hang glider years ago

@@jessescobieful - Hang gliding is very cool! I have serious respect for those that do it, but I personally don't like using my legs as landing gear - I've seen videos of what happens when that goes wrong. 😛 Also, hang gliders cruise at 25-50mph and have a glide ratio of roughly 15:1 whereas sailplanes cruise at 60 - 105mph and have a glide ratio of roughly 40:1 (i.e. 8 miles of distance per 1000 feet of altitude loss). 🙂 On a typical soaring day in WA state our sailplanes will cover 200-300 miles over 3-5 hours of soaring (stopping several times along the way to climb in thermals; usually topping out around 8,000 - 10,000 feet). In some parts of the USA the lift goes higher than we can - ATC restricts us to below 18,000'... I've been at 17,900' over Utah, throwing out my landing gear and spoilers (dive brakes) to add drag, just to keep from busting regs!

Sweeet I just ordered it offa Amazon thanks a hoot

Thanks for the recommendation!