I love how even though Roger is a giant compared to Marcelo, Marcelo doesn’t flop down on his but rather actually stands with him and battles for a takedown. This is real jiujitsu!
Roger with the usual beautiful fundamentals. Constant pressure, no way out and that Squeeze he has is insanity. He leaves nobody anywhere to go and his matches were always great. He is out there to submit the opponents to leave zero doubt who is the better man that day. By the way.... Marcelo has legs like tree trunks and is insanely powerful. He may be shorter, but he is no weak man. Respect to both Legends.
I must interject to dispel a common myth-Garcia is not a little or weak guy. Yes he's short, but he's brutally strong. If you met him in person this would be clear. His being the "little guy" is well overplayed and just wrong. I'm not saying roger isn't stronger, but let's please not think of Marcelo as little. He's very broad, thick, and powerful with amazing technique.
Michael Friedland he is short,he is light and yes he is very strong for his size and weight but Roger is way bigger ,way heavier and very strong for his weight too...so size is definitely a deciding factor here.
If this open fight, Marcello would die instantly with just one throw. Roger stronger, bigger, just look at when he pin and pick Marcello. On concrete, Marcello is a dead man. Thats why weight division exist.
No way Juan, it's a lot more strategy and knowledge/experience than that! Even though what you pointed out gives an advantage, it is not truthful in the end!
André Periquito brother,size ,strength and weight is a big advantage...it doesn’t count when the bigger guy is not in the same level but in this case they are skill wise pretty close so size and strength will be the deciding factor.
André Periquito look no further than 1:47 of this video. This is an example of Roger being able to use his size to posture and break the guard with the standing pass. Marcelo always takes the back or breaks his opponents posture in that situation. Size and strength matter.
If the only difference between the two is size then of course it's going to be the deciding factor man both bjj experts to say any different is ignorant
Exactly. Marcelo is still #1 in my book. His fight with Drysdale was similar. They’re like 2x his size, but are excited when they submit him. That tells me how good Marcelo really is.
Roger has fought everyone in the gi since making blackbelt, and never been submitted, winning almost everything there is to win. He is in the running for the best ever in the gi, and may even be #1. It is amazing that he only does stuff that every white belt learns, but he does it to the best guys in the world. That said, if this match were no-gi, I would give the edge to Marcelo.
You say that but if you watch the match you can see its roger taking advantage of his dominant leverage over marcelo and the outcome would have been the same if was in gi or bare skin. If you watch most bouts with marcelo you can see him flying around his opponents but with roger he was pressed the whole time and in the end could not move at all.
For those of you saying size doesn't matter, you don't have clue. Both men are legends but the heavy man with equal skill will win 9 out of 10 times... Every contact sport on the planet proves it.
@@connerhartman9336 it always makes some difference. weight advantage can compensate for inferior skill. obviously a decent 100 kg blue belt can dominate a 65 kg black belt. not as easily as a 100 kg black belt, sure, but still.
@@vibovitold hahaha Never. WTF is this gym...big blue belt dominating a black belt. This is not BJJ. But nowadays i dont even doubt. They are selling belts to anyone...
It's simple guys. If all Roger had was size, then all the other heavy/super heavy fighters would dominate in the same way he did. But they don't. Why? Because Roger's technique is SO far ahead of everyone. Regardless of his size, he just does the basic stuff better then EVERYONE. And when you've got that, size matters much less.
You can have the best technique in the world, if you don't have the strength that goes with it, I'm just gonna break your grips squash you and break your arms. Leverage multiplies force but you need to have something to multiply to start with. 100kg of force x 5 is more than 10kg of force x 10 even if the second one has twice as good technique/leverage. It's the combo of having incredible strength (even for a heavyweight) AND incredible technique that makes Roger Gracie so dominant. Not just one or the other.
Roger is the GOAT. Just look at the numbers. He has the highest submission rate and he has never been submitted. The only criticism people have on him is that he's tall and it's not even his fault. 😂
well... size is relevant.. even back when helio fought kimura he gave up a lot of size and afterwards said he never thought he'd win he just wanted to see how he'd do. size is what it is, its life, some people were born the bigger animal, technique has always been the "great equalizer" but when the bigger animal is just as agile and knowledgable of the same techniques we fall into a grey area
All Time #1: Marcello Garcia #2 Roger Gracie #3 Jacare Some people might put Hélio Gracie or Rickson Gracie or kimura, but there are video of all of them and the above 3 people after so many decades of perfecting what gracies and kimura started........ would just wreck them 10/10 times......
Actually on concrete, in a gi or jacket... Kimura would beat them all today because not even Roger would survive having his head smashed into concrete from that osoto gari of hell. I know Helio was much smaller but the mat saved his life in that fight with Kimura lol, and kimura was doing the same thing to top Judoka the same size as Roger. People forget what happens if you get thrown like that on concrete...
@beefnliver Roger is really really good. Marcelo Garcia started his competitive career in 2003. Roger Gracie has been around since 1999. At some point competitive experience caps off, but Marcelo had only competed three times prior, and was still fairly inexperienced with fighting world-class competition. In their second fight this same year, Marcelo Garcia did a significantly better job against Roger Gracie, simply because of the experience that comes with losing to the best.
If Roger won just by "being heavier", then you or somebody else should explain to me how did he not only won, but literally play through his entire division and the absolutes, composed of the best Bjj heavyweights in the world, in the last two mundials he took part in, demostrating he was at just another level compared to everybody else. Nobody is saying size doesn't have a part in this, but not being able to see Roger just have something technically that other people doesn't, it's being blind.
it always matters. it's not decisive, but it always matters to some extent. even if there is disparity in skill level, size and strength advantage help reducing that gap.
size and strength play a part in this, a big part like in any kind of grappling contest anyone denying it is insane, still the 2 best ever right there,...
I love watching all of these matches practitioners are seriously dedicated to their sport, bravo much respect, but no respect for commenters who write like immature little babies grow up
No one is arguing that Roger is not great, what they along as I am saying is that technically Marcelo is better and if size was equal Marcelo would have won. Everyone agrees' Roger is great but for a little dude like Marcelo giving him such a tough match you can tell how great Marcelo is. Marcelo has also had great accomplishments and is regarded as 1 of the top 2 or 3 best BJJ guys if not the best. You are wrong when you say Roger is that technically better. Marcelo has him beat on that.
roger was too big for marcelo to butterfly guard his way out of it at the time. but im sure marcelo would do much better now and possibly even win after improving his guard game.
Man, you got no argument from me here. Marcelo is just amazing overall and of course my posts WEREN'T made with the intention of taking something away from him. If anything, their fights just says something about how much Roger is great. Marcelo is easily in the top 5 Bjj artists of all time, and probably, togheter with Terere, the best grappler always under 82kgs in dealing with the heavier dudes in the absolute divisions.
@patolento don't be a fool. Garcia is as good as Roger, if not better. Garcia is as smooth as it gets on the ground, and the biggest reason Roger can dominate him like that is because of size.
yes, the size theory, doesnt explain , how roger is so dominant. A lot guys are bigger and stronger than him, but they are not so great like the gracie. roger is different type of animal.
He's very very very very good (technique etc) and is very big/strong too. He's strong for his size, he's not the average heavyweight. Have you seen him without the gi, with all the veins popping everywhere? I don't know if he's on juice but visually it sure looks like it. That skill level and physique is a deadly combo vs someone like Marcelo who is also very very very very good but 'only' medium size. Marcelo might be able to overcome a lot of bigger guys than him because of his superior technique, but Roger ALSO has superior technique. AND the size advantage. If they are both the very best within their respective weight classes, guess who's gonna win...
These two guys together with Terere are the top three of my favorites. It's unfair to say Marcelo would have beaten Roger if they are on the same weight class when he finished Marcelo. You could only make that argument if Roger won on points. Also, never forget Terere. Terere was the middleweight king and have always beaten Marcelo. The truth is, Marcelo may not have won a single world championship if Terere has stayed drug-free, but I guess it's hard if you're famous and lives in the favelas.
Wtf are you talking about "he got embarrassed"!? He rolled with arguably top 3 bjj players ever in his prime! Not only did he compete well but gave Roger some difficulty, if you think he was embarrassed then you're not a bjj player
That's just not true - please point out any second of this match where Roger uses his size or strength to his advantage. That would be a misusage of Jiu-Jitsu for Roger - which is certainly not the case.
i trained with roger for many years...he is not unbelevably strong or fast...he is TECHNICAL...HE GIVES NO ROOM TO BREATH, and he knows how to escape everything , and he is technically extremely advanced...he doesnt play the flashy stuff...because he doest need it..but he knows it all...he teaches us everything from dela heva guard, butterfly guard..open guard...50 50 and he knows the entire game....just because he doesnt need that shit in a fight doesnt mean he is not technical...look at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="264">4:24</a> how roger eliminates marcellos roll escape and didnt give up the grip around marcello waist ....out of 100 fighters only 1 advanced practitioner would slide round under him and close and maintain that grip...this is what i mean ...you guys dont see the technical genius of roger...he wanted the back ..simple and plain and never stopped until he got it....he had a chance for it and he started it and progressed through all marcello magic ...until he got it ...and soon followed thE TAPOUT.
@Dmoretti02 Roger came once to the academy that I train and he can create a huge pressure by putting his body in certains positions. The technique difference between marcelinho and roger is HUGE, no way marcelo is better than him. Marcelo won lots of guys that were heavier than roger. Pressure and weight are very different, and even though Roger has a more 'limited' (doesn't use open guard, etc.) his technique is much more refined than marcelos..
Roger is 6"4 210 pounds, marcelo 5"7 170 pounds... you guys gotta be fucking kidding me if you believe that it was only technique that got roger the win, roger is one of the best, the guy is a fucking animal, but marcelo will always go down as the king of jiu jitsu every opponent that was same size as marcelo and even lots of bigger opponents were simply manhandled by him.
Marcelo is most definitely not 170 pounds during his competition days, where are you even getting their weights? Random guessing? At 6'4" 210 pounds Roger would have been over weight for competition!!
I don't know why you have to be so aggressive (Hello! I DO TRAIN for God sake, I wouldn't have interest in commenting a bjj video otherwise!), while I still think Roger got something really special technical, that others doesn't, I think your position and opinion is perfectly respectable. I just got angry when people imply that he win just cause he's heavier. That's NOT like this and all the examples I did, that nobody cares to answer back, proves enough my point.
let's say ROGER is the GOAT, Marcelo is outstanding, awesome, fenomenal but......#2 or #3, after Rafael. Gotta tell U, Roger is impressive how dominate everyone.
IT IS ROGER'S SKILL! LETS FACE IT GUYS THERE ARE TWO GUYS THAT GIVE MARCELO HELL, ROGER GRACIE AND FERNANDO "TERERE" AUGUSTO! MARCELLO HAS LOST TO BOTH ON POINTS AND BEEN SUBMITTED BY BOTH!.......HOWEVER MARCELO GARCIA IS A GENIUS AND THERE ARE VERY FEW FOLKS WHO CAN MATCH HIS SKILL, VERY FEW!
Did you even read it, man? Never said this with the meaning you are giving it. Read again my post and don't stop to the first sentence this time. Or else, don't bother answer me. Or maybe you think that Roger just wins and dominate practically everybody that way cause he's heavier..? In that case I'll have to ask myself if you train at all.
hahahahaha lol, marcelo would die the same way in no gi, marcelo didn't even last long enough against jacare in no gi... and roger beats jacare most of the time, whether it is in gi or no gi :)
Fucking stop with this size-nonsense argument. Of course size help but there is muuuch more behind this. There is a reason if Marcelo can hang or even win with a lot of world level heavyweights (like Xande for example) while Roger dominated him this time and clearly beat, or schooled him, the others. Roger is just THAT technical better compared to everyone.
