I absolutely adore this. Incredible musicianship on display here. H pays tribute to the brilliant lyrics and puts his own spin on it. Then... there is the audience who are in fine voice. There is nothing to dislike about this musical masterpiece reborn.
God just hearing this, despite H’s vocals struggles in spots, reminds you of just HOW FUCKING GOOD this material was, is, and always shall be - Clutching at Straws - the greatest album ever made.
I think H's yelps are intentional - he can't do a scream like Fish could so he just kind of yelps it. He absolutely kills it other than those couple blips. I love both H and Fish but H has taken way better care of his voice and still sounds fantastic. Listening to Fish sing this from recent years is just tragic.
Anyone comparing the studio vocals of a 29 year old Fish (1987) singing within his comfort zone to a 49 year old Hogarth (2007) interpreting live a song which may occasionally dip outside his favoured range is an idiot. Could you imagine Fish trying to interpret a more personal song from the Hogarth era like This Strange Engine at any age, live? Carnage!!!!!!
Remember when I started listening to this band 35 years ago or so and my friends thought I was nuts. Now regard as of whether it's fish is banned or Hogarth's band they think it's fantastic. Rothery is a badd a** I'll say it again and again and again. One of the most underrated guitarists of all time
the rhythm section of Marillion would be a cliche to say the heartbeat but I'll say it anyway! Ian and Pete could have gone anywhere and still be amazing but they stuck to their guns and remain amazing in this great band. Both are criminally underrated!
Ian and Pete definitely make Marillion Marillion. They really fit together. Both of them are unusually creative players. I was told a couple decades ago that Pete Trewavas is more a guitarist than a bassist but for me that's ok He reminds me of the late Chris Squire and that really means quality. God Bless these guys and the whole band & the fankind!
really, you like that singer singing this?, he is pathetic and destroys the song....., he hate to sing fish material.., you can see it..., he is good only at his u2 staff....
What an incredible sound, nothing like the sound of Steve R's guitar work & Steve H's incredible voice!!!! But, no matter how well Steve H sings the old stuff, nobody can ever match Fish! He's the original & by far the best👌👏
I love the old Marillion/Fish album, but so much I love the Fish'voice back, hwe no longer can sing the old stuff with the same emotion that Hogart acheive by himself.
Fish was singing those lyrics from the heart. They meant something to him. There are references throughout his work that are obviously from his own youth. When H sings them, it's just singing an old song he didn't write. He often seems a bit begrudged that he still has to do it.
I love this album. My only wish would be that as next year is the 30th year anniversary Marillion would re record it with Steve H as he dose this amazing and with such passion. I would love a full studio re mastered album.
Amazing musicianship. It is a shame that Mosely gets largely ignored in this masterpiece. Rothery, Tewaras, Kelly, at their best. Yes, I could do without H singing Fish songs....but that is all we have right now. The ability of Rothery/Kelly to create textures that continually change and adapt to a song is amazing....true brilliance.
Have to respectably disagree. The problem is he tries to sing them as songs. Fish's lyrics are really musical poetry, not song lyrics. It's why it sounds more awkward.
@@AliTaylor777 I like h's take, but I do think you're onto something there. I feel h focuses much more strongly on melody, whereas Fish's best performances are akin to sprechgesang and/or recitativo in opera.
Marrillon lucky to have had two very talented vocalists I prefer Fish Era Hogarth is a great singer but they seem to have lost something Fish made you sit up and listen but something seems missing although its a great performance great band always will be.
a lot of credit must be given to h for even attempting to sing early marillion songs. I don't think anybody could do what fish did on the first four albums,and their early concerts! so the choice is listen, or don't listen I for one would rather hear marillion with h than no marillion at all?
I loved Fish's era for many years, till I discovered H's Marillion. But I still can´t get used to Fish's songs sang by H. They lose kind of authenticity.
Rispetto a Fish questo è un cane, dal vivo. Riesce anche a stonare, oltre che stravolgere la linea melodica. Cali di voce sulle note più lunghe, un falsetto tentato, insomma, niente a che vedere con Derek. Spero per lui che avesse una laringite quella sera. MAMMA MIA!!
It just don't reach the dramátic performance of early Marillion. They had an identity. Now I don't Know waht are they, for sure not the Marillion I usted to listen in the 80's as a kid
I treat them as 2 separate entities and enjoy the music on each bands era. There was then and this is now. No question Fish will put that energy in the early works but Hogarth is the modern sound and really is the bands logical coming of age.
Only a singer like Daltrey would've been acceptable, but whoever was to replace him the would never have delivered it his way, and even the big man couldn't in the end, get used to it, at least the band still got it, and Steve is still great in his style, he just isn't an 80's style singer his modern edge progressed them forward and for that I'm grateful because it changed them to become still relevant if anything the past was an albatross they should have listened to Hogarth and gone with a totally different band name but they didn't and for that were lumbered with the media's shit perception of them.
Do you know what? The band actually sound better live than on record. Maybe they just fill their album tracks with too many sounds? This is guitar, drums, keyboard and bass - all crystal clear. I think H does really well with another man's lyrics - he's putting everything into it. Maybe doesn't quite work towards the end of this track. Fish just sounded a bit more crazy/desperate!
I love the music but Fish wrote and sang these songs from the heart. Hogarth is a great performer but it's painting by numbers. Very professional but without Fishes quirks and celtic twang it's not being delivered how he intended it. I think they should have just started a new band with a new name. I understand Hogarth had auditioned for other bands as well so he was always hetching his bets. There's nothing wrong with his singing. He's a great singer but it's a bit like blaze bay ley fronting iron maiden just not quite right in that context.
The the, it was hardly hedging bets, but yeah he wanted to change the name. And the fans wanted the old stuff, so basically he was snookered, he shouldn't put his slant on it, should just do a carbon copy and then show his style in HIS stuff that would've shut everyone up. As I remember Fish live towards the end was hardly perfect. He stopped singing Forgotten Sons just before Donington as he lost his voice and cancelled the UK leg of 85, then never did it again and Emerald lies, so he knew he had limitations to his own material, he wasn't a trained singer just a vocalist with excellent lyrics. I know it's a BIG just but he himself admits he wasn't singing from the right areas and had to bust a nut to get some notes out.
The band plays still unbelievable emotional and fresh. But H on Fishy lyrics? Thats like copying a masterpiece by Dali. Without Fish, the band should play this old songs only as instrumentals and let the audience do the singing. That would produce goosebumps to everybody. From an early MARILLION-fan since 85!
As someone that was born long after Fish left, and discovered them even later... I prefer Hogarth on almost all the songs... Especially Warm Wet Circles -> That Time of the Night and Script for a Jester's Tear... I'm mainly a prog fan, my favourite band being Genesis (from 1970-77, the stuff after that ain't too bad but I wouldn't call them my favourite band beyond that point) so you'd think I'd like Fish era more but I really don't! I especially love H's vocals from Brave onwards... Seasons End and Holidays he's not that great to be honest. Like a fine wine I suppose.
Life is a Journey from someone who’s favorite band is high school was fish era marillion and took like a decade to actually enjoy H because of this, I found commentaries like this not only ridiculous but disrespectful
They actually did a gig in 85 with the audience singing as Fish voice had gone, the famous top of the pops lavander lip sink was because of it, but as Forgotten Sons was never played again and also Emeral lies even Derek himself knew there was limitations to his vocal chords, and that was the beginning of the end for his voice. Sad but true. H should stick to what he knows, the band should do an instrumental medley if anything I actually feel that they should do more modern tracks now, I'd sooner TSE than Garden Party and Market Square Heroes etc.
Personally I'd sooner them do Fish era than not at all, the music is phenomenal, and ok h has his limitations but then come on so did Fish live. It's something about the feeling just isn't from the heart as it's not his lyric, but I'd sooner listen to Steve than say listen to Yes playing with the wrong Jon, that is just criminal and only did it once and just No never again.
Band sounds great and I do like H era Marillion, but I hate how H stretches out the vocal lines on Fish songs. Quit putting your own spin on it, Steve... Just sing it like the studio version. When he does, I think its is pretty darn good. Most version of Incommunicado, H sticks with the program, its bitey like Fish, and quite good. Sure Fish is better for his era tunes, but I stilll wanna hear the best era of Marillion tunes live and not to be mothballed just bc H doesnt relate to them.
Yeah you're spot on...no need to spin it, it's a cover so sing it how it was meant to be. Id love to hear Fugazi, Incubus, Jigsaw, P&J never liked Assassing Emerald lies, and Sheree chameleon but sadly he hates it and he'd never stick to it's proper portrail.
2 years later there is an answer:-D I think Ian is right and the rest of the band changed too early into the next part. If you sing along in your head it‘s the part where Fish sings „a catalogue of crime in Happy Hour“. Normally it goes on with „Do you cry in happy hour, do you hide in happy hour The pilgrimage to Happy Hour“, but the band cuts off too early into the guitar solo part. Thats why Ian is giving that look to his bandmates. ;-)
Fish non era i Marillion , senza la loro musica lui non era nessuno infatti la sua carriera solista è stata veramente mediocre invece i Marillion con Hogarth hanno continuato mantenendo sempre alti livelli e sperimentando nuovi orizzonti , prova ne sia l'ultimo album "Fear" che è veramente un capolavoro. Fish non ha più musica ne voce
Do you post on Rush videos "No Rutsey, no Rush"?. Or on ACDC videos, "No Bon Scott, no ACDC"? I respect your opinion but dude, Fish is a footnote from the 1980's. You are embarrassing yourself.
Nope, this is wrong , no offence I really enjoy his work , HIS, Fish's lyrics , in my opinion be done by anyone else , Steve may have had. as he had experiences that he can use to relate to , as he has stated , but THE MAN -FISH's lyrics are so personal that the feel, emotion, cannot be duplicated, Steve is a very talented vocalist, and the band has nothing at all to prove , play the songs if they need , loose and stop shamming the name with this KARAOKE show with a live band