I think that (for me) this is the best film in the trilogy. It felt more emotional, with all the debate about whether Wayne needs Batman, and the lack of comedy and lunacy in the villain made him feel like more of a threat to Gotham.
It was also a truly heroic and uplifting film. When the cops cried and charged in retaliation against Bane and his men you really wanted to cry and charge with them.
As I'm watching this with just audio it's funny that Kermode mentions the fact that it's harder to interpret what a person says without being able to see their lips move.
You know, some of us aren't brainless sheep who think that everything has to be "dark gritty brooding" to be good. Some of us are bright enough to realize that it's a comic book about a guy dressed as a bat. If you want "dark gritty brooding" stick to Abel Ferrara films. Burton atleast knew he was dealing with a comic book about a guy dressed as a bat. Maybe you need to grow up and stop being a 17 year old obsessed with "dark gritty brooding" things because they're "so cool and kick-ass man!"
No, it would be a joke, to both criminals and police. A guy dressed as a bat would be dead within minutes by criminals. A "realistic" Batman doesn't work. And Superman giving up his powers wasn't realistic. The whole movie was a fantasy movie, nothing ultra-real about it. Again, you can't make "real" out of fantasy.
@5:35 . I think Kermode is bang on there. Bane and ras al Ghul can both be seen as the dark side of batman's vigilantism ,his ideals taken to their logical cold extreme end. .
What spoiled much of the movie for me was the discomfort in knowing that at some point, any point, when I least expected it, Anne Hathaway would appear on the screen again with that thin head and annoying voice of hers (all with the underlying tone that she fucking loves herself).
The Star Wars prequels were terrible because of poor writing and poor direction, which meant that the actors could not get to grips with the lines. Transformers is just boring, even though it's meant to be exciting. I can't agree with you, unfortunately, when you say that TDKR is a poorly written mess on the level of those films. Whether you like the way it ends or not, I think that it does tie up most loose ends in an appropriate way and I don't think the writing was poor. To be continued.
For part of this film I was irritated, for another part upset; but mostly I was just bored. My feeling is that Christopher Nolan essentially hoodwinks his audiences, and no one in a generation will consider this a good piece of cinema in any respect. It's obnoxious, self-indulgent and tonally confused. Quick test: try imagining any 30 seconds of the film without the heavy, "THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, DAMMIT" soundtrack-- the audience would most likely laugh or just scratch their heads. A self-parody.
But Batman ISN'T a literary character, he's a guy who dresses up like a bat. One shouldn't take him too seriously. Burton's Batman did just that, give good story and action without trying to be something that Batman can never ever be, which is Shakespeare.
You want to make a complex movie about a guy who dresses as a bat? Fine. But don't put down those who decide to make a more appropriate movie about it, one that doesn't take it-self too seriously. The first Superman movie (1978) was superb precisely because it didn't try to make a guy in a cape who flies as being realistic. It treated a comic book character as a comic book character.
As a MASSIVE Batman comic book & 'Nolan fan,I've got to say the hype ruined it for me,by no means is it a bad film but it didn't live up to Batman Begins(the best comic character film ever IMO)It's not as good as The Dark Knight.I'm going to buy it as soon as the DVD comes out 'cause I want to give it another chance & it is a good film,just not the awsome achievment every other 'Nolan film I've seen like Memento,The Prestige,Inception & his 1st 2 Bat' films.I still urge everybody 2 go & see it.
But you're proving my point. If some guy like Batman and the Joker existed it would be hard to take them seriously. Who can take seriously someone dressed as a bat? And the Superman movies didn't try to make him realistic, let alone "dark and gritty and brooding".
"dark brooding". How silly. It's a guy dressed as a bat, just how "dark and brooding" should it be? Tim Burton's film was the best precisely because it struck a good balance of serious and not-too-serious.
I might have been a bit harsh in my last post because it is a tight,intelligent comic based film that blows all other comic related films out of the water apart from Batman Begins & The Dark Knight!
They stay well within the moderate level that a comic movie should be. Not goofy but not Shakespear either. Consider the 90's animated series. tghe best representation of Batman ever done. The Burton movies are closest to that than the Nolan ones.
What's going on? The website said these two aren't on 'til Sunday afternoon! I tuned in anyway today at 2pm and there were two other people talking about something completely different!
Continued. I certainly don't think it was empty. It was certainly the most emotional of the three because the stakes were so high, although I still think the Joker is a high point of the trilogy for sheer leftfield characterisation. All the characters in TDKR have rounded character arcs, even though in the case of two (I won't say for spoiler purposes) I didn't personally like where they went - at least they went somewhere. Poorly written, boring and empty, it is not. Best of the trilogy? 2nd.
yes, but the whole thing comes ultimately largely from Frank Miller. Too many people think that that kind of Batman is the "true one", when it isn't so.
