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Market Situation of Lumix - Why you should not switch! 

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@sdhute
@sdhute Месяц назад
The Lumix software UI and lens prices are what always keeps me in Lumix.
@TvBoxHead
@TvBoxHead Месяц назад
The crop alone is why you'll never get the most of your lens focals
@DocBoA
@DocBoA Месяц назад
Nothing on the market worth upgrading from S5iix for the money
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@DocBoA that's true. All other options are compromises. Less dynamic range with the Z6III or less flexibility when cropping with the A7sIII.
@Promikes
@Promikes Месяц назад
Don't know, looks like canons coming in a good spot
@TvBoxHead
@TvBoxHead Месяц назад
​@@CameraRigThe Lumix S5 II presents notable contradictions in performance. It is credited with amazing color science despite having less color range than 4:2:2 in 6k. It boasts about stabilization but comes with rolling shutter problems. Given that a majority of professional work is done on tripods, how often will you utilize IBlS if it has to be mounted for work? You can compensate for ibis but you cannot compensate for rolling shutter and unreliable auto focus. It seems as if all its advantages come with compromises and caveats, which begs the question: what advantage does it actually have over the competition (Sony)? In contrast, the Sony A7s3 maintains consistency across features, boasting no rolling shutter, outstanding low-light performance, and reliable long-term autofocus suitable for extensive professional use. The absence of a 4K crop at any frame rate ensures consistent wide-angle coverage, allowing you to utilize 100% of the entire focal length of your lenses. Features like Clear Image Zoom achieve stable images somewhat comparable to the Lumix S5 ll despite the crop factor (lumix is already cropped so it helps with the illusion of stability). The Sony ecosystem advantage allows substantial cost savings and seamless integration within Sony's camera lineup, catering to various production needs such as seamless color matching without sacrificing image quality.
@thelabnificentmediagroup4832
@thelabnificentmediagroup4832 4 дня назад
Bro I had The A7S iii and the S5iix is Better!!! And I’ve been a long time subscriber to your platform!!!
@TvBoxHead
@TvBoxHead 3 дня назад
@thelabnificentmediagroup4832 s5ii seems to fit me best only for handheld personal projects. Not so much the best all around system for professional work. Everything it offers comes with drawbacks. I can't trust AF won't lose subject after long hours of sitting on a tripod. The subject could just be sitting there and suddenly it randomly loses focus and it only gets worst the longer the shoot gets or if the environment gets hotter which happens using studio lights or if the subject moves their hands a lot when they talk. Panning is not good at all. rolling shutter is so problematic for shooting anything fast like cars or sports in general and to pair that with the AF system makes it that much worst and unusable. This is even more noticeable with wider lenses. Speaking of wider lenses, you cant use your widest focal length in all modes because of a crop which is a deal breaker for me considering the price you pay for a wide prime which the L mount has very limited options of. 6k open gate 4:2:0 has less color depth than 10bit 4:2:2 in 4k, but it looks nicer out of the box than most sonys without color grading. The only notable compromise with the a7s3 was the price but after borrowing the s5ii I would much rather pay the extra price for a better auto focus and to use my widest focal length in all modes without a crop. That price comes with a peace of mind. The only benefit of the ibis is that you don't have use a gimbal when you're following a subject but that doesn't matter if AF loses the subect or if you're mounted to a tripod which most of the time during professional gigs you will be. You can always compensate for stabilization with a gimbal, but there is no substitute for inconsistent AF and poor rolling shutter performance. A7s3>S5ii for all around professional work. S5ii> a7s3 for content creators and hobbyist.
@ngonzale3
@ngonzale3 29 дней назад
I went from my Fuji Xt4s to the Panasonic S5II and so far it's been a steal of an upgrade. It's a Fuji XH2s competitor if not killer, and because of my experience with Fuji's apsc sensor, it's not a big compromise using the Lumix's crop modes. Let everyone else get the new stuff; I'll be using Lumix for the foreseeable future and will dig into the used Lumix lens market when people trade their delicious stuff in.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 29 дней назад
@@ngonzale3 definitely a good strategy. It might happen next year. The Lumix 100mm and Sigma 50mm 1.2 L-Mount are still expensive. 😁
@dennisvisualske
@dennisvisualske Месяц назад
i better buy lumix,, the camera is a beast in in video and dynamic range
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@dennisvisualske if you don't mind the 4k60p crop, then it is a great camera. 🤔
@dennisvisualske
@dennisvisualske Месяц назад
@@CameraRig the only shortcoming,,, but nikon z6iii video has shortcoming
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Месяц назад
@@dennisvisualske yeah, for example Nikons have absolutely no Open Gate
@dennisvisualske
@dennisvisualske Месяц назад
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 noisy raw video,, green chroma noise in shadows and 10bit codec is in long Gop not All intra. only prores 10 bit is a form of intraframe. but davinci resolve does not support this codec
@Chris-B.
@Chris-B. Месяц назад
The 4k60p APS-C crop has many advantages over full frame 4k60p with regards to image quality that I have vigorously tested. People tend to criticise the crop without providing any actual data, but I tested thoroughly over several days. The negative narrative surrounding the crop that many 'copy and paste' everywhere is simply not true.
@comedy-hypnotist
@comedy-hypnotist Месяц назад
THe whole Lumix waiting game is very frustrating... As a solo performer I bought an S5 Mk1 as a temporary camera for long format videos of live events in poor light with manual focus. Press record and recover the camera 2 hours later. I can use all my fast EF lenses with an adapter so didn't have to buy lots of L-Mount glass yet. It has done a great job but I really want 6k 10 bit 4:2:2 50p no crop in decent quality INTERNALLY. I cannot have the wires and cage required by the S5IIx as the audience would think it was funny to pull them out. The S5 was a stop gap until either Canon R5ii or Lumux S1hii. Always been a Canon shooter for stills but really fallen for the Lumix video experience. Come on Panasonic - you've had the normal dress rehearsal with the GH7, now please get on with releasing its full frame big brother with 2 CFExpress cards.
@daniellrodriguezs
@daniellrodriguezs Месяц назад
6k 10 bit 4:2:2 50p Open Gate!
@JoATTech
@JoATTech 4 дня назад
@@daniellrodriguezs RAW :D
@TopshelfJunior
@TopshelfJunior Месяц назад
Former GH4 owner, GH5 owner, GH6 owner, current S5ii owner, and current S9 owner...safe to say, I am not going anywhere ! lol. Panasonic just has it, if you know you know ! The Lumix Lab App has been a game changer and a WORKFLOW changer for me, and once that is available on the S5ii/X it will shoot Panasonic further up the ranks once again. I am in the system, in the family, looking forward to shooting more w/ Panasonic !
@TopshelfJunior
@TopshelfJunior Месяц назад
Oh yeah, SUBSCRIBED !
@IkaSafderatq
@IkaSafderatq Месяц назад
I am an s5ii user, and lately I have started to get interested in MFT sensors, What do you think, should I stay on full frame or move to MFT? Sometimes I feel uncomfortable with lenses that are too big on a full frame.
@TopshelfJunior
@TopshelfJunior Месяц назад
@@IkaSafderatq Hmmm.. Interesting ! Me personally, I can't really see myself going back to MFT. For example, the GH7 looks really nice but...there are just things and times (low light) where I'd much rather have a full frame camera. If you're worried about large lenses... You just have to find the ones that aren't. There's large lenses on MFT also.. It just depends.
@IkaSafderatq
@IkaSafderatq Месяц назад
@@TopshelfJunior Thank you for your opinion. 👋🏼
@JoATTech
@JoATTech 4 дня назад
S5II is lately around ~$1300 in my country. If I won't be knee deep in Sony E mount (in terms of lenses) I would buy two. ZV-E10 II costs the same in my country ...
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 4 дня назад
@@JoATTech if you film mostly 30p or 24p, the S5II could be a great vlogging camera (60p APS-C crop). The ZV-E10 is only APS-C, so it might not be that good at low-light. For APS-C professional use, there is the Lumix GH7. But I would wait to see what happens. I think selling Sony lenses is easier than Lumix lenses since there are more Sony shooters. The S5II and S5IIX has no OLPF, so you might want to get one from Kolari to remove moire if you film a lot of fabric, cities, things with repeating pattern.
@JoATTech
@JoATTech 4 дня назад
@@CameraRig I primarily shoot 25p (50Hz contry). And 95% scenarios I have the lighting I control, so low light does not impact me. But I would prefer FF camera instead of APS-C any day, but cheapest sony 10bit 4:2:2 FF is $2500 :(. Maybe it's easier to sell Sony lenses, but since there are more, they are cheaper used ...
@Bigcookfilms
@Bigcookfilms Месяц назад
Great video...The Nikon Z6iii is a great camera but I'm good with the S5ii. I've had 4k120 when I owned the A7Siii and I never really used it. Once I understood there will always be better cameras coming out I really started to enjoy mine. Cheers
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
Yes, definitely stay with what makes you productive and happy. We are all easily excited by FOMO.
@RawDeal-mo1ng
@RawDeal-mo1ng Месяц назад
This it.
@amermeleitor
@amermeleitor 11 дней назад
I think the L Mount Alliance could have a big step forward if DJI enters the mirrorless game as the rumours said. That way your Panasonic lenses can be used on a new DJI mirrorless. And DJI knows about video.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 11 дней назад
There is already some collaboration going on, like the DJI Lidar can be used via RS3 for the autofocus of Lumix lenses without the DJI focus motor. There is also the DJI Ronin 4d. Collaboration would be indeed great!
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Месяц назад
BTW, Robert May (and, after him / based on his findings, some other RU-vidrs) have posted quite alarming videos on the noise and shadow flickering issues of the Z6 III in video mode. He even states these issues makes the Z6 III useless for him when shooting videos. His videos are definitely worth checking out.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 thanks, I will check it out. 😁
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Месяц назад
@@CameraRig The YT links (as expected) didn't get thru: search for the title "Nikon Z6 III Video Flickering issue (with workaround)" (by "testcams" - a follow-up) and the two Robert May links in the description
@HGQjazz
@HGQjazz Месяц назад
The only thing really saving Panasonic is the fact that upgrades from other manufacturers over the last few years have been infinitesimally incremental. If Panasonic took the sensor from the A7Siii and put it in an EVA1 body with an L mount, they'd have an easy camera to sell. A parts bin camera. But they haven't made it. I think the bet to consider is whether BlackMagic will beat Panasonic to the punch. I am ok with whichever as I have too many L mount lenses to even think about leaving the system.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@HGQjazz I think the A7SIII is still the cashcow of Sony. There is no camera that beats it in terms of rolling shutter + dynamic range + no crop. If Sony releases the A7sIV, they might be open to re-sell their A7sIII sensor to Panasonic to make more profit. 🤔
@OasisExplorer
@OasisExplorer Месяц назад
Only and only camera which is worth the upgrade over S5IIX is the Nikon Z8 with its stack sensor and 8K 60p internal raw, rest all are one or two thing here and there, thats it. Z8 is future proof for a decade or maybe for the lifetime if it keeps surviving, which it can given the Nikon history of making robust camera. I came from Nikon to Lumix for the video and so far happy except the full frame slo-mo and the occasional rolling shutter. Rest all this is wonderful camera for my type of run-and gun shoots. You can check my recent videos which were shot on S5IIX. The best part about this sophisticated and beautiful camera is that it motivates me to shoot more.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@OasisExplorer and you also have to consider the improved autofocus of the S5IIX. When you film with the S5IIX, it just works and you can focus more on your shot. There is a new registered camera by Panasonic. Maybe in January, we see which way they will go and if it again a re-used sensor. 🤔
@RealPivotTV
@RealPivotTV Месяц назад
I love the S5IIx except for the latency from the HDMI. I was hoping the update would fix it.
@OasisExplorer
@OasisExplorer Месяц назад
@@RealPivotTV Have you tried turning the audio out off through the HDMI? Only output the video through HDMI.
@RealPivotTV
@RealPivotTV Месяц назад
@@OasisExplorer I’ll give it a shot now that you mentioned that I did hear that somewhere. If I remember correctly they said it helps but not a complete fix
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@RealPivotTV I went around the latency problem of the S5IIX by disabling audio over HDMI and by using autofocus only. 😅
@loiccardenas
@loiccardenas 8 дней назад
Great video with some interesting info! According to Andrea (the channel that gets somewhat accurate camera leaks), the S1H successor might come by the end of the year! My guess is that it could be a sort of S5iix with GH7 features (GH6/7 tilt screen, CFexpress, 32 bit audio). I hope I'm wrong and LUMIX manages to use another sensor that allows 60 fps un cropped haha (maybe the same sensor as the rumored upcoming DJI camera?). I'm potentially considering upgrading to FF from the GH6 if the S1h successor's good, the S9 looks like a lot of fun but I don't want to get into the full frame ecosystem without a more robust option for more robust filmmaking (the BMCC6k's is not really an option having used the Pocket 4k and not liking the form factor haha). The GH7 is also an option and investing into the excellent Lumix Leica zooms. Man, even the S1h is still great if you don't need AF but mmmm I don't know, better wait and see (always helps to save more money haha).
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 8 дней назад
@@loiccardenas great to know! I wonder why there is still no announcement or rumors directly from Panasonic. Uncropped 60p would be really important. Since you switch lens systems by going Full-frame, you could also switch camera brand. Autofocus in video is super helpful and you can focus on a lot of other things when filming with great autofocus. Maybe wait till January to see if there are other cameras being released.
@loiccardenas
@loiccardenas 8 дней назад
@@CameraRig oh yeah right now I’m just gonna wait
@delysid_musicPY
@delysid_musicPY Месяц назад
How many chances do you think there are that the s1hii will use the a7siii sensor, that would be great, I'm waiting for Lumix to do that, otherwise I'll have to go for the a7siii and I really don't I like Sony and their bodies, but I need the second native iso 12,800 and 4k120
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@delysid_musicPY well, the S5 and S5IIx have both 2 native ISOs at 640 and 4000 in VLog which is better for daylight and sunset. The Sony's second native ISO is good if you need to film at night without additional lights, so like documentaries. First, the A7sIV has to be released. But then it could be just a possibility that Panasonic can reuse the A7SIII sensor. Sales of new A7sIII will drop and by using Panasonic to sell the sensor they still could make profit. But it could also block space of manufacturing for other new Sony sensors. Also, it is not clear if Panasonic can increase the resolution somehow. 🤔 I hope we hear an announcement for beginning of 2025. Canon will release also new cameras and Nikon might incorporate Red's global shutter technology. So it will be interesting. In general, if you want to save money, then Lumix is perfect. Otherwise, Sony can give you more possibilities to spend money and get the latest tech. 😅
@pixelcityart3554
@pixelcityart3554 Месяц назад
Nice video ! very informative, I bought the Lumix S5iiX when it came out on the market I absolutely love shooting with it. Its not the perfect camera but for what I do with it its great. I like to adapt my lenses to the camera. I have EF/ FD canon lenses , 1 PL lens and 1 Panasonic L lens (16-35 f/4). I'm pretty optimistic about the future of Panasonic Lumix cameras, I won't be buying any cameras for a while unless I absolutely need a 2nd camera for a production. I do feel 2025 will be an interesting year in new tech. Cheers!
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@pixelcityart3554 thank you! I hope the Z6III will stirr up the camera market and encourage other camera brands to release more interesting models. 😊
@godface81
@godface81 Месяц назад
thank you so much. Im sitting here with 10k in L mount glass and a s5iix and been regretting it. All these awesome cameras came out and im stuck here like an idiot. Im watching this now. cheers
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@godface81 yes, that's what I also thought. There are lenses of other brands, like Meike and Sigma coming out for L-Mount, but those lens manufacturers can just change the adapter and electric connector and sell it for Sony and other brands. So it does not really matter for them if Lumix is releasing more cameras.
@DangAlvinFilms
@DangAlvinFilms Месяц назад
What are you hoping for from the next Lumix camera? I'm sitting between with 2 Lumix Bodies a couple lenses and an A7s3 with a 24-70. If LUMIX had at least ONE full frame body with 4k60 uncropped. I'd drop the Sony instantly.
@ed61730
@ed61730 Месяц назад
They need to get out the s1hmk2 asap as the top pros needs the extra video codes and no video crop.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@ed61730 exactly. Right now, the competition is more expensive, but next year, newer cinema cameras come out and current ones become cheaper. Videographers who want to step a level up will then think about switching camera brands if Panasonic does not give them an option. 🤔
@LuisCruz-yg6rs
@LuisCruz-yg6rs Месяц назад
This is a Very technical but great video about the current and future states of camera sensor tech
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@LuisCruz-yg6rs thank you. The successor of the S1H is not certain so I had to do some research.
@thekofi1
@thekofi1 Месяц назад
Very thorough video, thank you.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@thekofi1 thanks! 😁
@fedzciulla
@fedzciulla Месяц назад
I was actually skeptical in going full frame; I always used MFT sensors in my personal cameras and super35 sensors in bigger productions, and while the constraints of MFT are quite severe (especially with the crop and poor lowlight performances), the S5, even cropped, solved most of my problems. It’s a bit annoying going APSC when ok 4k 50p, but not a deal breaker for me. I’ve seen some filmmaker using only the APSC mode, it’s not so different in performances (except for the crop)
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@fedzciulla if you work in production with artificial lighting, MFT is fine. Even the Red Komodo 6k with global shutter is MFT. But viewing angles and background blur are better. Readout speeds are often worse. But dynamic range is better. I have bokeh addiction, so full frame caters my needs. 😂 Most cinematographers shoot anyway at f4 and not so low as you could. I also like to film walks at night on my other channel and get the most details of clouds when you have a dark foreground and the bright sky as background. 😁
@SMGJohn
@SMGJohn Месяц назад
If people cannot shoot good video with GH7 and think they need full frame to be better, then its a skill issue, not a gear issue, considering the GH7 has better dynamic range and low ISO performance than Canon 5DM3 with magic lantern. Personally, I notice a lot of people want to switch gear are not actually involved in any video or photo work. In my day GH1 was mind blowing with the hack, entire movies have been shot in it and no one is any wiser, pictures thats sold millions have been taken with GH1, sensor size is irrelevant, its just a tool at the end. There is only one camera I have immense GAS for, Panasonic G100M2
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@SMGJohn definitely, it is not wise to switch camera to become better. Most of the time, lighting is what makes a great image and even a phone is enough. Full-Frame can make sense, if your work requires it and if you want it's features, like better dynamic range, great low-light, more background blur etc. This has of course some downsides, like worse stabilization, costly lenses, and more. So the decision between the S5IIX and the GH7 which can record internal raw (and does it crop at 4k60p?) is not easy. 🤔
@SMGJohn
@SMGJohn Месяц назад
@@CameraRig Panasonic S5M2 and Canon R8 are arguably probably best content creator cameras, very good autofocus, a pretty high price but if its your job its not a bad investment, lenses are cheaper on the S5M2 but still VERY expensive comparatively, for R8 you can adapt old Canon EF glass which work surprisingly well and are found super cheap, mint condition 24-105mm F4 for 500 dollars In Japan though I never seen or met any production studio that uses anything but Panasonic GH6 and the GH7 is sold out in every store here, people love micro 4/3 for video work. A lot of JPOP music videos are shot on Panasonic gear and good chunk of commercials as well. Sometimes a big sensor can be detrimental to keeping background blur in control, because in a professional setting you rather not blur background out completely which is why pro camcorders do not have large sensors to begin with and why Hollywood does not shoot very much with full frame gear, even medium format cinema cameras are mostly kept at F11 or F16. For dynamic range and ISO performance I agree, larger sensor is better specially if you need lot of megapixel for professional architecture, landscape and other work that needs it. But most of these buy medium format, not full frame. For average person, these are super overk*ll.
@1bertoimagemaker
@1bertoimagemaker 10 дней назад
great video
@FoodTechLife
@FoodTechLife Месяц назад
I’m a bit of a snob for speed so the startup time and viewing of files would bother me on the lumix 😅. Not to mention the auto focus, I don’t trust it. But they offer so much value. That’s the hard part.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
This is bias you should verify if it is still true. Things changed recently. The autofocus is great. I filmed a whole wedding only on AF with lots of people and was so surprised how prefectly it worked. Only when it was dark during the party, it has some minor issues once. The startup time is true as well as the viewing of files. The benefit of Lumix S5IIx is that you can just let it run and it won't overheat. Best is if you film with a V-Mount battery. But still, switching to 4k60p takes some seconds and is annoying. I never thought about this. Thanks. :)
@RealPivotTV
@RealPivotTV Месяц назад
the autofocus is fine there is nothing not to trust
@JanSur
@JanSur 15 дней назад
I've been a Panasonic shooter for years, currently working with the S1H and S5II. The only thing I'm missing is full-frame 50fps. It's a shame we still don't have it. After a decade with Panasonic, I might switch to the Canon R5II.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 15 дней назад
@@JanSur let's see next year. If there is still no successor, try renting the R5II to get a feeling for it and to better judge if it suits your needs. Also Canon glass is a lot more expensive. Maybe Sony will release a A7sIV next year. 🤔
@adinbradic7092
@adinbradic7092 7 дней назад
​@@CameraRigeven R5c is better for those that need 60fps. Same dr, the only downside is price for body and lenses. R5c, z8, s5iix, a7siii... its a loop where I always and up on xh2s :D It is a loop where
@madmancasacreativa3
@madmancasacreativa3 Месяц назад
all i want is full frame-open gate-60/120fps
@markshirley01
@markshirley01 Месяц назад
Yes same here, don't see open gate being useful until it can do that, as I am constantly in either 50p or 100p.
@goawaybaizuo
@goawaybaizuo Месяц назад
I'm really interested in the Canon R6 mkiii. It could be a true game changer. However, canon has a habbit of neutering their mid range to try and push people into their higher end. Lumix really is the most consumer friendly company. They really listen to consumers and push out good firmware updates. The other companies let consumers languish. The lumix lenses are also great value.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@goawaybaizuo I think renting the R6II to get a feeling for the R6III could help. Then you could see how it really performs with autofocus, etc. some people told me it is bad. Others say, it is good. 🙄 Nikon and Canon pushed forward with new hybrid cinema cameras, so we should see something from Sony in 2025. 🤔
@RealPivotTV
@RealPivotTV Месяц назад
Vielen Dank, sehr informatives Video!
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@RealPivotTV thank you! Immer gerne! 😁
@paullafleur6112
@paullafleur6112 Месяц назад
Well researched presentation. Thank you
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@paullafleur6112 thank you! 😁
@Stefan_Heinrich
@Stefan_Heinrich 12 дней назад
Do you think Sony will release a fullframe camera with really good IBIS and 4K60 uncropped in 2025? Why is Sony so much behind Panasonic when it comes to IBIS?
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 12 дней назад
@@Stefan_Heinrich I do not know but I think they gradually improve their IBIS as other features. Often people compare the ancient A7SIII with the S5II and conclude Sony has bad IBIS. Also, the Nikon Z6iii has more IBIS stops than the S5II but I am not sure how it looks like in practice. Overall, a gimbal is just unbeatable and best if you do professional work while moving. I think Sony will release the FX3 mark 2 in 2025 since they produced for Nikon the Z6III sensor that beats the A7SIII in some areas.
@nileshjaitly
@nileshjaitly Месяц назад
Canon has much worse dyamic range than the lumix. Also in gerald undone's video about the z6iii he did everything he could for the dynamic range and the got compareable to what the s5iix does out of the box (little over 12 stops I guess) however, in his video about the s5ii you can see after adding some noise reduction he got 13.4 stops of dynamic range which if I'm not wrong is class leading (since NR can't be turned off in sonys). For me, apart from slow motion and rolling shutter the s5iix seems perfect value plus all the filmmaking features like waveform, shutter angle, syncro scan, exposure spot reading etc. In India I've had a7s3 overheating inside studio use, also i might be blessed with a firmware update unlike sony. But it's amazing to see the competiton in the camera world. You can't really go wrong with anything, just a matter of prefrence and individual usecase.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@nileshjaitly this noise reduction dynamic range of the Z6III is really confusing and here and there are some complains about the Z6III. While the S5IIX is not perfect, one can live with it. I think if one wants to step up, Canon could be interesting, but I think you need to get proper lenses for $1,000 each. I am more worried if Lumix has the capability to continue their cinema line. 🤔
@nileshjaitly
@nileshjaitly Месяц назад
Hey man, was typing the previous comment at 3am from India. Forgot to say, amazing value content and looking forward to much more of it.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@nileshjaitly thank you! I try my best. More quality than quantity. 😁
@cutstopnote8cutstopnote816
@cutstopnote8cutstopnote816 Месяц назад
Great research and information's..thank you . Good to know Sven. I am balls deep in Panasonic- not leaving soon - feels comfortable in it :) But thanks for market update. Cheers 👏
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@cutstopnote8cutstopnote816 thanks for the support! 😁
@noopynnus
@noopynnus Месяц назад
As mainly a stills shooter that wants to dabble in videography, I wonder if I should stick with the S5IIX and wait for the S1R II (who knows if it's actually coming) down the line, or jump to A7RV or A7CR now in 2024.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@noopynnus that is difficult. Panasonic might release the S1R2 next, maybe we hear an announcement end of this year. I would take the next Release of Panasonic as an indicator into which direction they go. Also check your needs vs wants. Do you have any issues with your current camera or are there features that would make you more productive? 🤔
@angeloplayforone
@angeloplayforone Месяц назад
The point that Panasonic need to invest in new sensor for their S1 range. Problem is that the are selling lowquantity. Panasonic need rouse out the box sensors from Sony to be profitable, which is not giving them any pro against Sony , Canon and Nikon.
@eldengard23
@eldengard23 6 дней назад
Nikon designs its own sensors and they are made by towerjazz since like the d750 or something like that
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 6 дней назад
@@eldengard23 the sources I found claim the full-frame sensors of Nikon are made by Sony. It could be that APS-C sensors for Nikon are done by TowerJazz. Otherwise, we could see an S1H2 with a Full-Frame sensor similar to Nikon.
@eldengard23
@eldengard23 6 дней назад
@@CameraRig yee people say that everywhere because it's a default "fact" in peoples head from DSLR days, but no, nikon went with TowerJazz from d850 onwards (d750 was a typo) so from 2017>now it's been towerjazz in everything except d7300 i believe
@eldengard23
@eldengard23 6 дней назад
@@CameraRig S1H2 can't use the 24.5 MPX TJ sensor since it's designed by Nikon, and fabricated by TJ
@eldengard23
@eldengard23 6 дней назад
@@CameraRig So the timeline on TJ sensors is from z6/d780 for the 24.5 mpx and d850/d500 for the 45/20.8 mpx sensor (it's the same just cut down and optimised for low light like z8/9 sensors are) The semi stacked is developed from the 24.5 from the d780 and the stacked 45 was developed from the d850 sensor. There were even a lot of patents from DSLR with hibrid viewfinder in the 2019s indicating a "milc tech" D880 following the D780 idea but it was canned because of IBIS and costs of manufacture of the hibrid viewfinder and it turend into Z9/Z8 project
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 5 дней назад
@@eldengard23 interesting. I googled a bit and it could be indeed a possibility. This would at least mean the monopoly of Sony is not that strong.
@andilenonkwelo6616
@andilenonkwelo6616 19 дней назад
Pls make more videos about sensor manufacturing. Not much info is online about which cameras use the sane sensor. Andy from South Africa here. Great info
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 19 дней назад
@@andilenonkwelo6616 thanks, I try. You can have a look in my description for the sources they get more information. It's difficult to find the information. I hope we see a direction from Panasonic with their next camera soon.
@andilenonkwelo6616
@andilenonkwelo6616 19 дней назад
@@CameraRig I just got the fx30 and canon r5c through govt. Funding in my country. If I saw this sooner. My buying wud have surely changed
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 19 дней назад
@@andilenonkwelo6616 well, there is at least no 60p crop with the FX30. 😅
@bricecine
@bricecine Месяц назад
The lumix is perfect on paper, but the way the image looks is extremely digital and the highlight roll off is awful compared to other cameras. The image stabilization and AF are also extremely robotic and distracting to me, ruining the footage.. which makes them unusable for me. Tech specs are perfect, but the image leaves something to be desired.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
I thought it has great highlight roll off? But of course I might be biased as Lumix user. The S5-series has no OLPF. A OLPF can make your footage look more organice, like the Kolari OLPF. Another option is Dehancer as plugin. I filmed the front facing camera with OLPF and the side facing camera without OLPF. Then, I applied some grades and Dehancer to get this look. But all of this is a lot of work.
@bricecine
@bricecine Месяц назад
@@CameraRig I think the images out of the sh1 and s5 look more organic. It’s hard to describe, but the way Panasonic deals with highlights feels very crunchy and digital. It’s a great camera, I just feel like it may limit me more than a bmcc 6k, or x-h2s. The specs are so good on the Panasonic, but I feel like the specs like ibis, af, fan, codecs, are considered more than the image quality when people pick these cameras. Coming from someone who shoots on reds, and had the original blackmagic.. they don’t have many features.. but the sensor and images produce such great quality. It’s hard for me to pick a camera. I think someone who’s starting their journey or may be a few years into it should definitely go with the lumix, it’s so affordable and the image out of the camera is amazing for what it is. I started on a canon 60d and would have loved to have the lumix 12 years ago hahah.
@ronaldov09
@ronaldov09 Месяц назад
Its funny how most say the exact opposite, IBIS is pretty much the best out there. Sony has better highlights but Lumix has better shadow detail.
@Eissen_meteor
@Eissen_meteor 28 дней назад
geekiest chanel that algorithm gave
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 28 дней назад
@@Eissen_meteor I hope my other videos about S5IIx tests are helpful. 😁
@Eissen_meteor
@Eissen_meteor 28 дней назад
@@CameraRig this very video absolutely settles my pub argument about the E fanboys and L gentelment about who make what and which do what.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 28 дней назад
@@Eissen_meteor yes, I was very surprised about Panasonic Lumix' situation. It is still amazing, what they do with the sensors. But for 2025, if they reuse the same sensor, they need to provide at least an internal VND at a interesting price point to stay attractive next to Sony.
@Eissen_meteor
@Eissen_meteor 28 дней назад
@@CameraRigyheeaa... also hope time that electronic ND from sony(forgot it's name) became mainstream soon. I tiered being shouted as AC when ask about right ND.
@vinhsanity
@vinhsanity Месяц назад
Chase skills not gear
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
Also true. Lighting is most important. But you should also be aware on what you spend your money on and if it gives you the best value and productivity for your usecase/work.
@RBullCZ
@RBullCZ Месяц назад
Hmm, sometimes RU-vid surprises me with unexpected new show like this one. It was oddly satisfying to watch and listen to your interesting summary of the situation, thank you for your effort! BTW, what sensor does Leica use in the SL-2s? I have been using the SL-2s for photography then I switched to Lumix S5IIX and find the low light performance almost identical and much better than Sony A7IV. But I am speaking of stills not video.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@RBullCZ Leica produces their sensors with CMOSIS. Not sure which one it is but it is an in-house sensor. The A7sIV has 33Mpx and therefore smaller pixels. So it's just harder to get the same amount of light in those smaller pixels.
@wtfkurtis
@wtfkurtis 25 дней назад
Are you sure about Lumix and Leica competing? There's the L2 Technology collaboration.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 25 дней назад
@@wtfkurtis no I am not sure, I only know what I found. You are right, there is a partnership. This could increase the possibility that we see a S1ii with the Sl3 sensor. I am curious what will happen next year. 😁 www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/332980-l%C2%B2-technology-new-strategic-partnership-between-leica-and-panasonic/
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Месяц назад
Excellent video with TONS of info. You definitely deserve more subscribers! However, are you sure low-pass filters are indeed that much a must? On my S5 II, I'm almost continuously shooting (in 6K OG) - for example, on Saturday, I shot for some 6 hours - also almost mission-critical videos and have only once seen some light (just visible but in no way annoying) interference effects. An yes, I try using my lenses (20-60, 5/1.8, 28-200) at their sweet spot (optimal - closed down - aperture) for maximized sharpness / minimized CA etc. And yet - no major interference issues...
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 you will see it when filming repeating pattern like cloth at a specific distance. You probably were lucky that you were far or close enough. Just do a test with a friend who wears a suit or stripes and move a away. You might see it on a field monitor. It could also be that it is more present in APS-C crop mode.
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Месяц назад
@@CameraRig yup, maybe it's because I never shoot 60p (APS-C) as I always shoot in 6K OG.
@JericTamayo
@JericTamayo Месяц назад
I'd rather stick with the s5iix despite some advantages of other brands. The overall usability of the s5iix is in some places more so than the other brand cameras. Except maybe z6iii
@sardanapalos
@sardanapalos Месяц назад
a7siii has almost no rolling shutter for my use cases.... the af is far better than my s5iix .... all modes are without crop, zeiss glass at normal prices, i don't really understand how you find the s5iix so good....i watched the video just to see what i am missing...
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@sardanapalos I do not find the S5IIX better than the A7sIII. It is only perfect for me but not for others. The S5IIX is cheaper than a used A7sIII. The S5IIX has no overheating, better IBIS, and 6k recording which lets you crop in post. But it has worth rolling shutter. If you film weddings or interviews, it is fine. But if you need fast camera movements, the S5IIx can be the worst camera for you. In the end, it depends on your use-case. There is no best camera for everyone. If you need low rolling shutter, 4k is enough, etc. then the A7sIII is the best camera for you. 😁
@sardanapalos
@sardanapalos Месяц назад
@@CameraRig the a7siii has never overheated in greek summers i am using it....if there is no 6k 60fps its like there is no 6k.... and i forgot the hdmi lag in the s5iix... i am using my s5iix for photography more than for video....and in that its still not really good ...just decent. For the money i wouldn't say it is as good as all new lumix creators are hyping this camera, lumix made legendary cameras back in the day, and now only in micro fourthirds, lets hope the S series gets a new good camera
@OrangeHouseMedia
@OrangeHouseMedia Месяц назад
@@sardanapalosis the a7s3 a better camera? Yes, but it’s certainly not twice as good. I can buy 2 S5II’s for the cost of the Sony.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@sardanapalos every camera might be hyped. Sure the S5IIX might be similar price like the Canon R6 (or R5) which can do 4k60p but it has better recording formats. Also the S5IIX recycles an old sensor and should be priced around $2000. It depends on your use-case. If you film only 24p for 2 hours without interruption and with no recording limit, the S5IIX is great. I got ProRes HQ with the S5IIX but high rolling shutter which I will not notice because I don't film fast subjects and I don't do fast whip pans. In the end, it depends on your requirements. I film live and need to crop a lot in post. 5.9k ProRes HQ gives me great flexibility. Also, I don't film fast subjects, so rolling shutter is no issues. Filming at 4k60p is really a downside, especially at lowlight. But then it is cheaper than the A7SIII so I can afford 2 cameras. The A7SIII is still the king of cinema cameras but it is a step up and not everyone needs it. Some people are even happy with he GH7. I agree with you that especially the 6K open gate topic is overhyped. Same like E-Stab High which crops your sensor to APS-C. (See my other video)
@davidpossien3061
@davidpossien3061 8 дней назад
@@CameraRig If recording 6k opengate and you need fast panning capability, you can always flip the camera 90 degrees. You will get zero rolling shutter when panning because of the way the sensor readout works. Yes you will have to crop, but is better than unusable panned footage. The other downside is that rolling shutter is now on the Y axis, so no fast tilting motion.
@SimeonKolev
@SimeonKolev Месяц назад
16:10 is the S5IIx having moire in 4K? It is an oversampled image so it must be clean.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@SimeonKolev well, you want to use 6k if you use the S5IIx because that's the point of having it instead of the A7sIII. You can crop in post and still have 4k. I don't know for sure that there is moiré in 4k oversampled. I will test it. I plan to make a video about it
@SimeonKolev
@SimeonKolev Месяц назад
@@CameraRig the oversampling is resolving the moire issue always. About the open gate - yes Panasonic can do it and no Sony camera can do it (maybe the true cinema cameras can...). PS 6K in RAW and IPB can be different. I am not sure what is the resolution, I have no idea is the S5II capable of shooting 6K IPB. If it is with lower resolution than 6000pixels it might be able to reduce moire a little. For example A7sIII is 4,2K sensor and it is shooting 3840pix video which is slight oversample and is fixing the moire in most cases.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@SimeonKolev it's native 6k OpenGate for LONG GOP and native 5.9k for ProRes HQ. C4k is oversampled but only up to 30p. If the moire patterns aligns with the sensors pixel array, you would have the structure as colour information. I wonder how oversampling could fix this. 🤔
@SimeonKolev
@SimeonKolev 29 дней назад
@@CameraRig yes 6K is 5952 x 3968 which is not oversampling. 4K is oversampled all of it. 4K 60p is in aps-c and is also oversampled because 4K is 3840 and the sensor is a little over 4000pix wide in aps-c. The more you oversample the better it fixes moire. It is a processing thing.
@Promikes
@Promikes Месяц назад
Greatest video, thank you!
@moneyboys2010
@moneyboys2010 19 дней назад
3 - S5 II 1 - S5 IIX For my Multi Cam Events Recent pick up S9 I’ve shot Canon, Sony, Blackmagic now LUMIX. I’m solely Focused only on my paid Clients now. All this comparison gets useless after a while. Canon lens prices hefty. Sony shamelessly bricking older cameras with Firmware updates. Real World OLPF, Rolling Shutter… shooting LUMIX, I haven’t seen it as an issue. The Crop, extends my access to additional focal lengths and no loss of light. Not sure what is your test environment but I shoot paid events at least 4 days a week and not seeing any issues you are speaking of. Sounds like LUMIX is not your cup of tea. Just move to your preferred brand no need to trash LUMIX. Real World, your speculation just doesn’t match up.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 17 дней назад
@@moneyboys2010 I am very confused by your statement and your incorrect thoughts about my opinion on Lumix. If you watch the whole you see that Lumix is the best price-value option right now. I also state that some of the issues are no real issues. Moire artefacts appear only when you film at a specific distance. "Professional" cinema cameras like the Lumix S1H and the Red Komodo have an OLPF. You can be lucky and they do not appear. Also oversampling to 4k could reduce moire but I need to prove this first.
@halifaxzapp
@halifaxzapp Месяц назад
I have a sneaking suspicion that Lumix's next full frame will use the GH6 / GH7 body, like what we saw with G9ii and S5ii. Maybe a S1Hii with internal ND, OLPF and 5.76m EVF, hopefully also no/less crop at high framerate. I'm just guessing and wishing though.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
They will definitely re-use some GH7 features. It would be cost efficent to use the same hardware in another camera. Let's really hope for an OLPF! 😅
@Nemastic
@Nemastic Месяц назад
Your sneaking suspicion is based off nothing and plainly wrong.
@lumixS5M2
@lumixS5M2 Месяц назад
over 5 months there be a other new so keep switching ;) :)
@SimeonKolev
@SimeonKolev Месяц назад
15:30 What about the A7IV? It is not that bad... actually it is pretty close to the S5II and it also has ALL-I codecs... Almost the same rolling shutter...
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@SimeonKolev yes, it is close to the S5II. But the S5IIx has even better codecs. The S5II has better dynamic range but the A7IV might have better tracking and eye AF. In this video, I am more looking for a potential successor of the S1H. Many are waiting and are not fully satisfied with the S5IIX.
@SimeonKolev
@SimeonKolev Месяц назад
@@CameraRig as far as I know S5IIx had ALL-I and ProRes codecs + RAW via HDMI/USB. For me personally - RAW is not something I want and I will never use it. I shoot primarily alone or with a small team and nobody will want to fight with the RAW in post. The benefits do not outweigh the cons for most tasks. Dynamic range... I would say they are very similar and maybe the A7IV will be slightly better. The difference is so small that it is not worth mentioning. What Panasonic needs to make next is a faster sensor camera. The S5II/x is the best hybrid on the market but its sensor is from the A7III era. I really hope that they have something left to offer Sony in order to get something faster. The ideal one will be the 50mp A1 sensor but I doubt that it will happen. The 24mp from the Z6III is an option, maybe even a better one will be the 45mp from the Z8/Z9... Last time when they exchanged goodies Sony got tilt and flip screen for the A7rV and LUTs for the A7cII and models after it, than out of nowhere Panasonic got AF :D. Now they can give some other patents for a faster sensor and we are going to be happy.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@SimeonKolev ah, I checked the facts regarding dynamic range of the A7IV. It is indeed very similar. I guess I am also a bit biased (which I don't like) www.cined.com/sony-a7-iv-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-latitude/ I like the ProResHQ codecs since they give you fine noise, close to RAW, still very big files with 1.6 to 1.9GB/s but it's very nice if you want to get back some structure of blown out clouds. But recording only to a single SSD is a bit of a headache. 🙄 Let's hope the next A7sIV will be great so Panasonic and the competition have to make a move! 😁
@SimeonKolev
@SimeonKolev 29 дней назад
@@CameraRig you have to test the highlight recovery between ProRes and ALL-I 264/265 codec ;). I doubt it that there will be a difference. Use controlled environment like indoors with artificial light in order to have the same light output.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 29 дней назад
@@SimeonKolev yes, I did test it. You will get cubic artefacts from the compression if you push the highlight separation too much. With ProResHQ, you have detailed information and you can stretch the highlights more. You not have more dynamic range but you have less compression in ProResHQ.
@rolandeyezz
@rolandeyezz 26 дней назад
I wish DJI could just buy out Lumix from Panasonic
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 25 дней назад
@@rolandeyezz we might see more collaborations between DJI and Lumix. They already incorporated the Lidar autofocus to Lumix autofocus lenses.
@waveland
@waveland Месяц назад
I quite often film in RAW so the Z6III internal RAW and 4:2:2 ProRes is an easy decision over the Lumix 5SII cameras. And a next gen S1H might be an interesting camera (if it ever comes to market) but the price point will be much higher. It will have to compete with the Z8.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
The S5IIx offers ProRes HQ 422 (not RAW) which is also great. But RAW gives you definitely more latitute with the Z6III, but it might have less dynamic range. The S5IIx can record RAW to an external recorder, but this adds cost and the Ninja V can sometimes crash, so I would not use it for live events. In camera RAW, like with the Z6III is definitely useful. I hope Lumix will compete with the Sony A7sIII.
@kitbalakunprod3731
@kitbalakunprod3731 Месяц назад
@@CameraRig Unless you want to use the metadata of the raw. You will not have more in the raw than in the log. The two only things you have in extra with raw is : 1) you can save the files and debayeurise it later with a new color science of the same brand as you can see it with Red or Arri Two brands wich develop an new color science and workflow with their new line-up. But you can use their new color science on their old cameras because of the raw. 2) with the sony venice 2 you will have a tiny tiny difference in the specular highlights if you debayeurise with the soft on your computer and not inside the camera reccording in log. Why ? Because your computer can use all its power to debayeurise while the processeur of the camera has to do it while meany other things at the same time. But at the end if you use raw you will have to develop it in Davinci and color grade it and there for develop it in log 😂 So i don’t think Raw make any difference in regard of mirror less camera and the contexte inside wich you use it :)
@kitbalakunprod3731
@kitbalakunprod3731 Месяц назад
@@CameraRig Unless you want to use the metadata of the raw. You will not have more in the raw than in the log. The two only things you have in extra with raw is : 1) you can save the files and debayeurise it later with a new color science of the same brand as you can see it with Red or Arri Two brands wich develop an new color science and workflow with their new line-up. But you can use their new color science on their old cameras because of the raw. 2) with the sony venice 2 you will have a tiny tiny difference in the specular highlights if you debayeurise with the soft on your computer and not inside the camera reccording in log. Why ? Because your computer can use all its power to debayeurise while the processeur of the camera has to do it while meany other things at the same time. But at the end if you use raw you will have to develop it in Davinci and color grade it and there for develop it in log 😂 So i don’t think Raw make any difference in regard of mirror less camera and the contexte inside wich you use it :)
@psysword
@psysword 21 день назад
GH6 rules
@CameraRig
@CameraRig 21 день назад
@@psysword it's definitely a good choice if budget and great IBIS is your priority.
@polypif
@polypif Месяц назад
Bro's accent is so thick I have to go to sleep before watching. He deserves my full attention xD. Edit: Watched it through. Very educational, but one criticism I have is that we are leaning way too much on specs on paper, rather than actual real world use. I understand it's not always easy, but words on a piece of paper don't represent the user experience with each camera and I would encourage everyone to look beyond the spec-sheets of cameras before deciding to purchase.
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@polypif I try my best but you can use the subtitles (CC) too. I hope the info is useful. 😁
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112
@mostlyfinnishlifeeventsand5112 Месяц назад
Still his pronunciation is a LOT better than the average Indians etc. on RU-vid. (No offence towards Indians - it's just a fact that their English pronunciation is absolutely horrible and I just can't stand it.)
@polypif
@polypif Месяц назад
@@CameraRig No no 😂 I didn't mean it like that 😂 It was almost 3AM and I just didn't expect an accent so I got thrown off. But, I did sleep and watched in the morning, no CC needed 👍
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
@@polypif haha! No worries. 😁
@CameraRig
@CameraRig Месяц назад
Regarding experience: True point. Specs help you to pre-select but experience helps you to validate. While the Z6III sounds amazing, one need to rent it first and try it out to see if it has good usability.
@knnry
@knnry Месяц назад
that a fair comparison Uahahaha
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