I don’t get how her adopted parents was okay with her marrying her bio father that gave her up for adoption. Everyone failed this young lady and all this is sick. I can’t believe this was real
I say this every time I hear this story covered. Wtf was wrong with her adoptive parents? 18 or not, they could have provided proof of blood relation to any court and no one would have performed a legal marriage for them. I realize that's only half the issue, but my God. Makes me glad I grew up with parents that were like "no that's fucking stupid" when I wanted to do stupid shit as an 18 year old rather than let me do what I wanted because you know, 18 is an adult. This whole thing is bananas and 3 innocent people died because of it.
@@Miadontforgetthisone ok but like- call the police?💀 sometimes letting someone go is in their best interest, in EVERYONE’s best interest in this situation. they should have let them go to jail, learn their lesson and im sure katie would have eventually come to her senses and come back into their lives. unfortunately we will never know though, she didn’t even get the chance because everyone except her mother and siblings enabled them and ultimately she was killed.
I noticed also the daddy referred to the 11 year old as a "retard" which is what I was called as well growing up ! Yet,the 11 year old was not only smart but was spiritually on a higher level as well to see the demons running rampant in her dad and Katie ! This whole case is gross !
@@dannita4287 thissss. when i read this i fully grasped just how truly smart and aware she is for being so young. all the adults in this situation FAILED miserably. smfh
I feel so bad for the daughter. Based on her diary entry she’s gonna need years of therapy (and it doesn’t even begin to cover the abuse the dad and apparently Katie put her through) 🤯 So much negligence here
The fact that he told his kids not to tell anyone at school because they would get made fun of” just proves that he knows how wrong what he’s doing is!!!
this just shows how stupid 🙋♀️ are. shes just as dumb as her mother. narrator keeps calling them smart and mature but trying to make them victims at the same time. if u love shitty men then u deserve the shit u deal with. 💯 u are what u attract and choose.
I'm still surprised that Katie's adoptive parents basically gave up and decided that it was ok to marry her biological dad and have his kid. It's extremely fucked up; if I was in this situation, my dad would be fighting me tooth and nail to keep this separate fr
The problem with being against it is that if Katie knows they dislike her situation, she cuts them off. If she cuts them off, and the relationship becomes abusive, Katie is stuck. They’d rather say yes and let it happen under their eyes rather than say no and the affair still carry on and potentially be more dangerous.
@@alyssak3714 no shit the plan was idiotic, if we could see into the future and see how our actions may have bad consequences we wouldn’t do what we do but they cant see into the future. should have told authorities nonetheless
I get Alyssa was happy to see Katie again but it’s hard for me to wrap my head around allowing Steven who she knew was abusive to be with him all the time. But I guess she thought it’ll be okay because Katie knew the circumstances of her adoption and was 18 :/
@@Miadontforgetthisone come on now! You serious??? She should have asked more questions then if he was abusing her and she didn't know if he was sexually abusing her! Common Sense isn't so common these days 🤦🏽♀️ my fkn God
She made a lot of terrible decisions and it definitely played a huge part in why things turned out the way they did. Idc if I get called a victim blamer. By that point, she knew damn well what that man was if she refused to even sleep in the same bed as him. He killed a cat. If her & Katie were speaking on FB all the time, she must’ve known that Katie loved taking care of strays. How could she have ever thought leaving her alone with Steven was a good idea? At some point, even victims need to take agency and say enough is enough. Especially if you’re grown and have a responsibility to make sure your young kids are in a safe environment.
@@cassy420blaze _it’s not an excuse, but it may help to explain Alyssa’s initial thought process / decision making process_ . Goodness knows Alyssa may have been fully oblivious to the s*xual abuse or actively in denial, it doesn’t make her actions any less harmful or make her any less culpable. But you can normalise a lot of fucked up shit in a situation like that.
The part that stuck with me the most was thinking about how the dad victimized and groomed Alyssa at a young age, then his daughter at about that same age.. He has a type and it’s so disgusting. I’m pretty speechless about the whole ending but I truly hope the other 2 daughters find healing and safety.
the family wedding photo made me cry so hard from all the rage i felt towards her adoptive parents, like i feel SO bad for katie she could've gone places if another family adopted her.
@@Miadontforgetthisone there are many solutions other than smiling and playing nice tho, they couldve made the smallest call to the police and he will get arrested
@@Miadontforgetthisone So be it. You tell your children you love them, you always want to see them happy, but this is not a healthy choice and you won't be a part of them making it. You will be there if they ever need help, the door is always open, but you won't be party to this legitimately criminal and toxic relationship. Then you call the police. If they cut you off, you hope that one day they come to their senses. What her adoptive parents did is called enabling, and it applies to more than just addictions.
The baby shaking in the bathtub, covered in urine...this is one of the most upsetting, tragic and traumatising things I've ever heard or seen. These poor children. I hate Stephen, and I hate Alyssa, too.
@@anntares172 For sure, as well as the adoptive parents. Back to Grace, though: she raised a sicko and in the end it was the children who suffered. Such a twisted story.
Why hate the victim when you can hate the predator? Alyssa tired her best under these circumstances educate yourself about how domestic violence relationships work and predator relationships work and then make up your mind.
@@roxanne_ Firstly, I said I hate the predator. Secondly, do you really think I know nothing about domestic violence? in this day and age, and coming from a country rife with it? Once you CHOOSE TO BECOME A PARENT you no longer have the excuse of battered wife (or husband) syndrome. You need to take responsibility for the children you CHOSE to have. No copping out of this one. Own up.
Right? I'd keep all my loved ones away from that creep. But obviously Alyssa put up with that behavior - unfortunately. And it cost her daughter's and grandson's life.
The abuse of babies enrages me. I just cannot fathom hurting a baby like that. 🤬 This is why we need strong social safety nets for women trying to leave abusive relationships with their kids. A lot of times people are trapped because they can't afford to leave or have anyone to watch their kids.
There’s shelters all over the world and any nonabusive mother would know that even if you end up homeless it’s better than your babies being tortured and murdered. They stay cause they’re abusive and don’t care enough to leave.
I don't think she really cared about her son. She moved back home and was essentially starting over. She didn't fight for him, just left him in the care of her father's mother. An elderly woman who couldn't defend herself even if she wanted to.
@@oppaloopa3698so obviously the concept of abusive relationships went over your head. Just because they stay in the abusive relationship, doesn’t mean they themselves are abusive and don’t care about the kids. If you listened to the beginning of the story, Alyssa couldn’t just leave because she cut everyone and is living in an entirely different state. I don’t know if you live on Earth, but here, it’s not easy to just up and leave, you need money out of everything and unfortunately, they don’t give that shit out for free. What choices did Alyssa have? Just go to a women’s shelter? And then what, have her husband come and find her, possibly make up a story on how she kidnapped their daughter and the shelter believe him? A lot can go wrong if she were to just leave, you see Katie filed for divorce from him and he killed their son, later her and her adoptive dad. Imagine if Alyssa left with Katie. Both dead. You make it sound so simple to just leave, it’s not that simple for everyone.
OMG HOW CAN A FATHER SLEEP WITH HIS BIOLOGICAL DAUGHTER. IT is mind blowing. Its wrong PERIOD, no one should ever be having a sexual relationship with a family member EVER. There are millions of people out there that you can marry and have kids with for the love of God haha.
I’m starting to think maybe the father(he was a paedophile, hence why he got with the mother at such a young age. That’s a fact.) was attracted to his first daughter, and he was punishing himself through punishing her because he had an attraction to her. I can understand the daughter being attracted to the father because there has been a lot of cases of adopted people being romantically interested in the biological relatives, but for the father to be interested in his biological daughter is very strange and perverse
Disgusting. I absolutely agree that Steven was VERY mentally ill. If he were put away years before when he tried to murder Katie as a baby, none of this terrible mess would’ve happened.
Sadly, it still could have. Somehow these kinds of crimes are never given long enough sentences, so he may have gotten out in 18 years and been able to do it anyway.
It’s so fucking sick how he tries to kill his own kid… married his own kid and how tf is everyone just okay with this ? How is Katie this supposedly smart kid and doing this ? I’ll just never understand people
@@Joeizle11It’s not her fault, and nobody wants to say it, but I think sometimes crime coverage always speaks positively and probably exaggerates positive details about the poor victims. I doubt she was super feminist just bc she wore a feminist t-shirt too lol.
Being a first time mom to a baby boy, this literally made me sick to my stomach and have to choke back tears. A sick and disgusting person who hopefully is rotting in hell.
Out of everyone, these kids did not deserve this bullshit. Bennett did not deserve to die, the girls did not deserve to be forced to accept an incestous relationship. The adoptive parents should’ve called the police instead of just throw their hands up and say “welp, Katie’s 18!”.
To all the ppl that defended this relationship and paid for the bail go fund me, I hope you’re happy with the terrible decision you made and to whoever started the go fund me, honestly, I hope karma does it work on you
This is one of the most messed up cases ever. I can’t believe how many people failed Katie. So much unnecessary loss that could have been avoided if the adults protected the children
Honestly don’t get why Alyssa let her come around knowing how horrible he was she could’ve kept her away like she did in the first place. But I’ll never ever ever understand how this girl was supposed to be just so smart, went to be with her biological PARENTS and then get with her own dad 🤦🏻♀️ like what oh my god
People failed Katie? She was 18. No one forced her to have feelings for her own father which would make most people vomit. Yeah she never knew him growing up, but still most people would even vomit at the thought of dating a step father. Also the little sister wrote in the diary that Katie was use the F word on her telling her to “get the F up.” She doesn’t sound like a sweet and innocent young lady. Also not only was did she decide to be with her own father, but it broke up a marriage too. He was still married to her own mother, yuck!
@@smakkdat 18 is still very young and reckless, her adoptive parents attended the wedding and full well knew she was having a relationship with her FATHER, she was absolutely failed by everybody. When she tried to leave him, herself, her adoptive dad and son were all brutally murdered. stop blaming the victim !!
any one who wants to find their biological parents should do so with a lot of caution in mind. most kids aren't put up for adoption for any good reasons. that is, usually there's some pretty bad circumstances surrounding why a child is put up for adoption, ranging from the mother being too young and unable to care for her child on her own to the mother being in an out-right abusive or other wise totally messed up situation. those who were adopted really have to keep this in mind. if you want to connect with your biological parents or family, before you go introducing your self to them, whether over the internet or in person, DO YOUR RESEARCH. find out all you can about them first; go to the local police, find any and all records of them, find out if they were in prison, if they have a history of drug abuse, if they were accused of committing crimes, etc. know who they are BEFORE you go meeting with them. and if you MUST see them in person, do NOT tell them who you are until you're sure they're decent people. just become part of the local scene, and acquaint your self with them. make friends with them. but do NOT tell them who you are specifically until you're absolutely sure they're normal. and if some thing about them seems off, or if they seem a little weird, just pack up and go back home, with OUT telling them who you really are. and also -- what ever you do, do NOT go moving in with them. stay at a hotel or some thing.
Yeah if they wanted to, they could have went to visit her, that was not very smart to move in with them. If they really cared they would have made an effort to know her too
@@Winkingyodel there is no excuse for her allowing that behavior to continue. Age or situation. She is just as bad as him if not worse for sitting back and letting this shit happen. I wish terrible things for the both of them.
@@jvstlikemagic4927 10/10 agree, I'm the same age but my job is in a school setting where I work with kids, ranging from 6-14, so I'm forced to regularly talk to people under 19 lol. But have I ever felt attraction to any of the those kids, fuck no, because my job is to make sure their basic needs are met, make them feel safe, and help them become educated and reach their goals, anything else is literally unfathomable. I would pass away before I hurt one of them, it's wild that a parent can't have that same level of regard for their own child.
Nah a 14 year old and 19 year old could get along fine but dating so so disgusting. As a 19 year old you should definitely easily see that person as the child they are hell even 16 or 17 year old would see them as a baby no matter how well you got along or had in common.
Hey Hailey! Can you do the case of Elisabeth Fritzl? It’s about a woman who was held hostage by her father in her family basement for over 20 years, and how she gave birth to 7 kids that belonged to her own father. All the while her family, besides her dad, don’t know where she is.
I agree that the case would be very interesting to hear it broken down. However, it was not a basement. It was more of a separate section of the house and it was very elaborately constructed and hidden behind maybe like 11 locked 🔒 doors! She was forced to be his secret. Very disturbing case. Please do cover it.
He hated cats. That tells me everything I need to know about him. Also, now I have even more reason to give up hope on humanity because the people around them supported them being together and those fucked up individuals online who supported it too. Disgusting. The fact that it happened in my state just amplifies everything.
Exactly..but people tend to make excuses & say don't judge and whatnot 😒..this is why it's not a bad thing to have a line of boundaries..but the way the crazy woke liberals are these days wit their bs..they throw boundaries way out the door🥴..
My father molested me and my community overlooked it. Google #MeTooInceste , there's a French political movement now. It's more common than the average person realizes because people cover it up.
Steven reminds me of my own father. I know Alyssa was also a victim of abuse, but I just can't fathom why she would continue to put her children in danger?
Long-term trauma from years of coercive control from an intimate partner negates self-determination as well as limits patenting capacity as the adult victim is in perpetual survival mode. This leaves little room for processing the way you and I would. I'm sorry you experienced an abusive dad. You are happy as an adult, you won. Stay in the light ❤
It all comes down to being scared I think. Look what he did to Katie for leaving him. Alyssa knew what he was capable of but ugh why would she think it was a good idea for Katie to come back after he tried to kill her the first time. I’d make sure I never got pregnant again cause after giving her up for adoption it makes absolutely no sense.
im honestly just shocked at katie. like… you knew everything and still chose to take his side, still chose to go through with everything, and still crossed that line? idk man shits fucked.
I already knew that story, guess Bailey or someone told about this. But what still shocked me the most is, his mother referring the daughter to the police as his wife. Like accepting this BS. Like omg. And this story is so disgusting and so terrible, this made me sick to my stomach.
As a survivor of a DV relationship. You dont go into the relationship knowing they will be abusive. They are sweet in the beginning than they start to show their true colors. When you noticed things arent how it use to be in the beginning its already too late to "leave". My ex DV partner would show up to my house early in the day or late in the night if i were to leave the relationship. There was always a threat, its not easy to leave. They would often use the unalive card. There is a lot to it, more than most survivors would share from ptsd.
Yes! Early on I thought it was sweet that he wanted to be with me so bad that he would show up to my house holding a paper that said “please don’t break up with me.” Then after about ten times of doing this, it escalated to him crawling through my window and choking me until I was unconscious. If only I knew what he was capable of but it’s hard to recognize abuse when you’ve never experienced it before. You see things in the media and think “that will never be me” until it is you.
As a child who’s mother let men horribly abuse and nearly kill me and my siblings, I literally do not care. If you let your children be abused then you are also an abuser. There is zero excuse. Sorry for thinking women are responsible for their actions and should allow men to murder their babies lol. Also lmao she literally did know what he was capable of and chose to stay with him and give him more victims. She could’ve ran. She could’ve sent all the children away. She gave him victims cause like most women, she wanted the abuse to be redirected and just did not care.
@@oppaloopa3698 I apologize and I have the same experience as well. Growing up just like you. My mother stayed with one. So I understand where your coming from. Im not saying that the mother in this video is valid for staying or making an excuse. Im just sharing my part. I do agree with you on her giving him victims. She could have left many times, that I agree on.
Alyssa was an idiot. There are resources available to women and men in DV situations. There is NO WAY I'd leave my daughter with a man I knew damn well was abusive. NO WAY. I'm sorry. But she could have prevented every bit of this.
She met its man when she was 17 and was in contact with him prior. Meaning in her formative years in the years where her brain was developing. When she was gaining life lessons, she didn’t gain the lessons me or you would’ve gained. She cut off all her family and friends. So do you really think there was someone that would be able to point out what was happening ? She probably thought that was normal as she probably went through some stuff herself. I’m not blaming her, but I’m not resolving her of her responsibility But she was a victim too he was all she knew
It feels like both Alyssa and Katie were failed by everyone around them. Why didn’t Alyssa’s family report her as kidnapped (as that’s what it would legally be considered… Alyssa was a minor, below the age of consent in both Texas and New York, and she was taken across state lines.) Why didn’t they alert anyone that their daughter was a victim of stat rape? And for Katie, she got out (I’m curious as to how, as you normally have to have both parents sign their rights away but maybe Steven willingly did since he was so annoyed by baby Katie) and then got pulled back in. Alyssa should’ve travelled to HER, not the other way around, knowing how Steven was. I also don’t get how she felt okay with the idea of Katie living with them, given Steven tried to kill her and Alyssa was almost never home… Also, the police really fucked up. Yes, Katie was legally an adult, but barely and Steven was her father; they should’ve been able to see that there was power and manipulation at play, thus should’ve protected Katie. I agree with Alyssa that Bennet shouldn’t have been left in Steven’s mom’s care. Not only does it give Steven the opportunity to see his child bred of incest, but Grace was literally at the wedding… she was an accomplice to incest. Not saying she should’ve faced charges (the woman was 72..), but she shouldn’t have gotten custody of her grandson/great grandson. This has to be one of the most fucked up cases I’ve ever heard about.
It’s crazy how none of this would’ve happened if 2 parents just monitored the internet use of their 15 year old daughter. Or just took the time to teach her about internet safety and online predators before allowing her to use public forums.
I understand how Alyssa must have been so happy to reunite with her daughter after years of abuse, but why would you let her in to you house with the guy that almost killed her? Wouldn’t she be more protective of her daughter? I don’t want to judge because I have no idea of what went through her mind, but if someone abused even my dog, I wouldn’t let them be a cm near it. What a tragedy 💔
I think an important part of the story is Alyssa being groomed by him before all of this. He probably was everything in her life. Father figure, lover. She was so lost. Not that it excuses it but 😢
She stayed and had kids with a man who abused and attempt murder not even a year old baby. Claiming that he wasn't bad like before, sure going from putting a baby into a freezer to mental and physical abuse is an improvement (sarcasm). I believe it's safe to assume she must have had cognitive problems.
It's likely the adoptive parents were unaware of the abuse and the biological parents probably didn't volunteer the information. Regardless, Katie was legally an adult, a stupid perverted adult. The adoptive parents were the last hope of prevention. Alyssa was in denial.
I heard this case before and I'm still mad at her adopted family and her bio dad family. Because it's their fault that she is gone, the adopted dad and the baby
It is also Alyssa's fault too.. I have seen no one has smoke for alyssa when she allowed her daughter to move back in knowing full well why she gave katie up in the first place and knowing that the bio dad is a deranged man.... Its crazy that all accountability is taken from alyssa because she was also a victim but victims become abusers and they should be given all the smoke...
@@melaninmagic8607 Yeah that's what I can't understand, regardless of the fact that Alyssa is a victim in a way, how on earth did she think it was a good idea to let her daughter -- a daughter she put up for adoption SPECIFICALLY because her partner was abusive and could very likely kill her -- come home and live with them, when her partner is still ACTIVELY, CURRENTLY abusing the two younger daughters? Like that's wild, I cannot imagine what she was thinking.
I blame all of these ppl but I honestly also blame Katie herself. Yes, I'm blaming the victim here. Because wtf is wrong with her common sense to begin with ?!
Watched a lot of true crime videos but never heard of this. Thank you for sharing it. I feel like everyone involved was at fault except the poor baby and the 2 younger sisters. Law enforcement failed. Alyssa failed, Steven failed ( The most) Denise/Katie failed and even her adoptive parents failed. This case is so... I don't even know.....
@@kphoria1009 no, no she failed. She knew that was her father and 18 is old enough to be squicked out by that. At that age, I would not have allowed a stepfather to do that, let alone her actual father.
@TheHillsHaveDragons there's a physiological thing where people who are related meet later in life and think they are in love with the person. It's actually common add to that the fact that the dad was a disgusting qnd well versed groomer. She became a victim of his. And once she was out if his clutches she clearly started to see reason.
if a man is willing to date you when your 15, is that not a huge red flag? you were in “love” but that older man does not see love. he sees the fact that he’s able to fulfill his sick fantasies and have sexual relations with a CHILD. and with consent?… that’s all he saw. he didn’t love her. she was being abused before she even saw it.
Not sure if this has already been mentioned in any of the comments (also I am not adopted so please lmk if I get anything wrong here) but I’ve heard that it’s actually common for biological family that were separated when one or both parties were very young, to develop romantic feelings for each other! It’s kind of like that “it feels like I’ve known you my whole life”, infatuation type of love. That said - it is NOT common or normal for the people around them to condone and support the romantic relationship! Everyone in this story (barring the children, and maybe even Katie) were just straight up wrong and beyond fucked up!
Yes it’s called Genetic Sexual Attraction. Sometimes it happens unknowingly. But I feel like more should be done to prepare adoptees for such a phenomenon when reconnecting with long lost family. They should be forewarned and get counselling for it, not act on it.
There is a condition called genetic sexual attraction…..this happens in cases where siblings are reunited or a mother and a son or father and daughter …..it’s a psychological disorder……it happened in my family between my biological brother and my biological sister…..we were all adopted out separately so we didn’t grow up with each other…..it didn’t last long apparently it never does
It normally runs its course like another relationship. But it sounds like government didn't get involved with your siblings. Katie and Bennett may still be alive if other people didn't interfere
@Gloryjab youve said some really stupid gross shit in these comments. But this is stupid. Its not a normal relationship and just cuz it runs it course doesn't mean it's any form of ok or healthy. And thinking that she and her son would still be alive is stupid whenever he was trying to kill his babies when he was still with Alyssa. You cannot seriously be this brain dead.
I was a witness to my mom in abusive relationship as well as a victim I in turn as a teenager chose the same type. When I had my baby and he tried it in front of my child that was it. I will never allow anyone to hurt my baby’s or display any type of aggression in front of my kids. I don’t understand how these monsters get away with this
Thank you for mentioning how and why it is so hard to leave a violent relationship. There is absolutely no reason to question her actions or victim blame her. The Reddit post says it best!
fuck all that. if some manipulation is enough for her to completely disregard and knowingly continue the violent abuse of an infant then she has no better than him. I doubt the child gives a fuck about him manipulating her and neither should you.
She stayed with him after he tried to murder her baby multiple times you creatin. But abuse is ok when women do it cause they’re all incapable of making decisions and are too uwu to be abusive, right? Jesus I hope you never have kids. You’d let a man murder them.
Thank you for being so respectful to the struggle of being in DV relationships. I herd this case from another RU-vidr and it was unsetting just how judgmental and higher then thou they came off with that aspect V-V
Hailey, I wanted to tell you how amazing you are. I noticed that you avoid using words that could be offensive or hurtful. You're so thoughtful & you show consideration by not saying words like "retarded" or "sexual assault". I must say, context matters. It plays a big role in determining the meaning & intention behind words. The real ones know the intention behind your words & feel comfortable with the context in which they are used! We are not offended by you saying what was said! I see your path being paved with even more achievements. May your hard work be rewarded! ❤️
wtf how on EARTH were her adopted parents okay with their marriage?? there's no fucking excuse because they could have gone to the police and told them that they lied on their certificates and try to get a court ordered dna test to prove they're related. every adult in Katie's life absolutely failed her and led her down the path to being abused and becoming an abuser herself. I know technically Katie was an adult when this all started happening but mentally at 18 you're still in that fresh out of high school mind set and have little to know knowledge of how the real world works and what people are truly capable of, and most likely have no idea for what red flags to look for or how to realize someone is grooming/gaslighting you, and THEN on top of that her adoptive parents are giving the okay to marry him so even though she at least knows the basic law of "incest is wrong" her family being ok with it probably further convinced her of the lie she was probably being told of "its okay for us to do it because our love is real" or some other bs. Like how are you supposed to come to a realization that the situation you're in is fucked up if everyone around you acts like it isnt? Also not surprised they had a lot of local support for their relationship North Carolina and a lot of other southern states are still grossly okay with incest like I know people like to make jokes about incest being common in the south but unfortunately those jokes didn't just come from nowhere
There is a phenomenon on with people who have been adopted tend to create romantic relationships with their biological family once they are reunited. This is particularly observed between separated siblings. It is very strange, but there’s a lot of reasons why this happens, but ultimately because they long for a connection so much the blur the lines between familial and romantic
Alyssa is just as warped as Steven. I want to feel empathetic but she repeatedly put all her kids lives at stake. Hell even Alyssa's parents had some guilt - you let your kid run away? At least make the effort to get Steven's name& face out there
This is Sick!! It really makes me wonder if he was molesting his other daughters. Also ur husband puts ur daughter in a cooler and u don’t have him arrested or take ur daughter and leave him? If I was in that situation I would of had him arrested and taken my daughter and left him. I never would of giving her up for adoption and stayed with him. I think all these adults need to get their heads examined. And those children need serious therapy. So sad.
I'm so glad you I found you. You have great content and your voice is soothing without any vocal fry. I'd even go so far as to say you've had elocution lessons. Truly beautiful. I'm 53 studied forensics and have been obsessed with true crime since I was15. If you have any old cases and can't find something I may know. I see people on here making simple mistakes with bio or what really happened. It always helps to ask someone who lived in the era.
i feel no sympathy for anyone besides the kids and katie. yes alyssa was a dv victim but it took her bio daughter who she allowed to be abused, to start dating her bio father for her to leave. that was the turning point? some part of me thinks it could be some sort of jealousy? it could be maybe she saw herself in katie and saw her getting groomed and that's what it took but she could've prevented this entire thing. the kids were all stuck in the middle and katie was absolutely a victim of everything. she was taken away from a horrible environment and unwittingly returned to that same place. it should be on her adoptive parents to educate her on the reason she was taken away and maybe if they believe anthony changed then potentially allow visitation but not allow her to move in and definitely not be okay with the marriage. they should have fought so hard to get katie out of that situation even if it meant katie hated them and believed they were the mean parents keeping her from love. you would rather be hated with her safe than be loved with her abused. i'm glad alyssa is speaking up abt dv even if it's late. i hope she was able to reconcile with her own family and is able to raise her children in peace and safety. i wish katie a positive healing journey, i hope she's able to forgive herself and move on. rip baby bennett.
Unpopular opinion here: I dont feel bad for katie at all... She was old enough to understand how wrong this was, hell, an eleven year old knew. That eleven year old also grew up with way more abuse than katie and even she had some common sense. Katie was older than Allyssa when she made these choices. Not to mention, in the diary, the child mentions how katie started telling her to "get the f**k up." Yeah... Sounds like katie was consciously abusive too... I dont feel bad for her at all...
THANK YOU. Finally some sense in the comments. Given the factors, I'm not surprised over Steven's ill mind: His happiness got undone so he went on a murder suicide spree cause he refused to go back to slobby Alyssa. And I bet he snapped because society forcefully intervened in their business. If the relationship was allowed to play out, Katie and Bennett would still be alive
ikr, even the thought of falling in love with your father makes me want to vomit. i know little children say stuff like "i wanna marry my dad!" but that means that they love their father very much but obviously not in a romantic way cuz they just dont have those kinds of feelings for them. Reading the title, i thought it was a case like this just with grooming started from a young age until i reached the part where she was given up for adoption. i know that katie was being abused but to go out of your way to live with him and even marry him is a choice which she could have easily avoided. guess she was incestous like her dad😬
What a sick relationship . A father married his own daughter ? How it possible ? I wish court get a chance to punish those both sick monster !!! I wonder and shocked to know the adopted parents was OK with that illegal relationship ? Omg how in the world people can even think about it ? All of those are too much sick !!! Shame on them
I remember watching an episode of law and order:svu, there’s a syndrome where children who have been adopted find their biological parents and end up romantically falling for them (usually daughters and fathers)
@@Zitronen_ I think it’s because they have these feelings of affection towards the person since they are biologically related, but since they are meeting each other so much later in life and never had that typical parent child relationship, they mistake those feelings for romantic ones
I was adopted at birth in 1974, & raised by a single, gay man. My mother had married a man well before I was born, & they had a daughter 5 years before I was born, & he then left her & vanished. She had an affair with a married man & I was the result of that. She had already lost custody of her first child, to be raised by another family member, & so by the time she was due to have me, she knew she still wasn't capable of being a parent. The deal she & my adoptive father came up with was that for the 15 yrs of my life we would have no contact, but anytime after that I could contact her & she agreed to answer. When I was 17, & in a lot of trouble, my adoptive father suggested I go meet her. I met her, my older half sister & my biological father. It was not a positive experience & although she wanted me to come stay with her the next summer, I didn't think that was a good plan at all. I've had some interactions with her & my sister, mostly negative, & my bio father, who I never had contact with again, died on my bday several years ago.
@@darkwings7805 I guess the point is that if the family gives a child for adoption, better not to mess with them later in time. They gave the child for adoption for a reason, usually these are people who are not fit to be parents for a damn good reason. I guess that's the moral of the story.
thank you so much for doing this case. I saw a true crime video on a popular channel where this woman literally bashed katie's mom for staying and it was just so much victim blaming going on in the video that i turned it off and I couldn't finish the video and never knew how it ended. thank you for handling this with so much care
This is the most gross, horrible , discussing case I’ve ever heard involving 2 different families , who are not so bright, stupid decisions that cost their lives, very dumb on both parts, the only innocent people are the 2 daughters !!
Heartbreaking, that poor innocent sweet little baby😭😩 nothing was his fault, he deserved so much more, especially considering his circumstance, but regardless too
hearing some of these cases, it always surprises me with how delusional the bystanders are and how this whole thing could've been prevented if katies parents or stevens parents would've reported it especially katies parents given the fact her dad had some sort of law enforcement background, but even then, it doesn't take someone with a law enforcement background to tell that the relationship needed to be stopped and steven needed to be arrested.
This whole case is just so shocking and disturbing. I genuinely don't understand why they weren't reported to the police by the parents of the couple. It's disgusting. There clearly was something wrong with him which clearly got passed on to the daughter too. It makes it hard to feel sorry for any of the people involved with the exception of the little boy because it should have just never have ever happened.
The maternal mother should've never let her daughter stay with them. As much as she wanted it, it wasn't right, not while knowing the true nature of that man.
Steven manipulated and groomed Katie as soon as she was distanced from him she realized how much he had fucked up her life and tried to end things. So sad.
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