Marss vs Elegant - Winners' Quarterfinals: Ultimate Singles - Shine 2019 | Zero Suit Samus vs Luigi 

Isaac nobel yes he’s destroying his whole life

I started maining ZSS in sm4sh and picked her up again after I saw marss

suite life

Dean Balva And you aren’t by watching this video? Lmao

lucid soup That’s the story of Nairo too 😂

Yeah, but at least he's sponsored now.

Yea man anyone meeting marss needs to play extremely well it’s bracket luck but you end up facing marss Leo or tweek or any other top 10 player and you have to be prepared

I’d so much rather see him play MKLeo.

I didn't think that was very _fair._ pretty *un-* fair if you ask me.

And a wall jump. Makes no sense that he can't do it!

@@adrianordp Agreed!

Pls no

Charles Anielo Yes

Lolll. If he could Zair to ledge he’d be high tier.

Zero_OR 5 I can concur. Luigi player here that got knocked out of bracket by a ZSS yesterday. And it wasn’t even their main. He just knew how to counter pick.

@@nicklong7442 like Luigi has better options to combat ZSS then he did in the last two games and can combo her to death, but just getting in is hell.

Campy zss shuts down Luigi, but the way marss was playing gave elegant a much greater chance

But I love invader zim lol

@@AJAXHQ you have great taste, man

you've never played samus before and it shows, flipkick it's actually a very hard technique that isn't easy to dominate.

psycopathgeek true

Glauque Geek Girl barely

I know I’m late but back in smash 4 Luigi did well against ZSS

idk, pretty sure that's Ganon

Agreed. idk why they took his down b mobility away.

Personally being able to use 2 bairs in 1 jump like Mario would be great, it's slow af after u use it

I personally would like to see a Luigi with a good recovery. This linear recovery is so exploitable, you would think he was little Mac.

Nah, zss isn't bad matchup for luigi, its just marss is a much better player.

@@gunslinger9786 not even that , Luigi is such a slow character and his weakness is Very Agressive Fast characters and Players

character loyalty is cool and all, but too much of anything is a bad thing

Gunslinger zss is a terrible match up. I do think Marss is better anyway elegant has literally no chance already because of the match up.

@@dorkasaurus_rex What about fatality?

Yeah, Luigi's recovery made him lost

Elegant really needs to change how he approachs things.

Don’t blame that on Luigis recovery he got sauced on that stock

@@camdenkells6222 he had a villager, but I think ZSS beats them as well.

@@mandalorianhunter1 i have seen him pull out diddy kong on occasion

He has a secondary in Diddy Kong. Also Luigi is certainly competitively viable, Elegant just gets predictable with his overuse of down b imo

@@vecvecvec "He has a secondary in Diddy Kong". I clearly said that he won't pick up any secondaries "seriously", that word was key in that sentence. He never uses anything other than Luigi in majors. "Luigi is certainly competitively viable". You really can't say that though. You literally have 0 evidence to back that up. No Luigi so far has proven that, in fact the best Luigi in the world is getting consistentely destroyed. "Elegant just gets predictable with his overuse of down b imo". I agree with you here. Too much down-b for sure. I think it's just a sign of frustration. But that's clearly not the only thing keeping him away from doing good, the problem is way bigger than that and I think you will acknowledge that.

@@martinluther123 You're right, I don't have anything to back up my assertion of viability except for his good frame data, combo game and OoS/read game. Like Shulk and Nicko, it's a bit theoretical, but if Elegant can minimize his bad habits (I think) he could bring a lot more out of Luigi.

@@vecvecvec yeah, that is indeed theoretical. Theory is not evidence though. In theory every character is tournament viable, you can make whatever case you want for any character... But if you want evidence you need results, that's the only thing that can validate the theory. Until then it's just a theory. And hey, I'm not saying Luigi is not tournament viable, I'm just saying that so far it doesn't look like it. For a while Elegant was doing better but that upward trajectory seems to be over.

@@martinluther123 Of course. Theory is a little, but not quite enough, since play style and mind games add a lot to the mix. Based on my educated guess I'd say Luigi is quite viable! Since you can't disprove his viability (which can be done in theory with characters such as Little Mac and partially Jigglypuff) we'll just have to see what happens from here. Also I think it's funny that a greek philosopher is having a discussion about smash with a homestuck troll in crocs

Nah, the matchup is really bad (for Luigi). Plus, Marss is crazy.

Alejandro Ramirez no. Go away.

@SmashCracklePop reason?

same

I love to XD XD