Marvel Comics New Cosmic Power Hierarchy 

Al Ewings Venom comic wrote that Knull and the other Kings in black are equal and opposite to the Beyonders, so in my opinion Knull needs to be as high as the Beyonders on this list but I could be wrong I guess

I wish Marvel (or comics in general) would officially establish a cosmic hierarchy that MUST be followed by all writers to mitigate inconsistencies and retcons.

Beyond Omega Level: Rob’s Hype

I feel like Hickman and Ewing are either tag-teaming or getting into an arm wrestle with Marvel's cosmology as the battlefield.

Honestly, I feel like Knull, Chaos King and others like them are all facsimiles of Oblivion with different "specialties"

I've never seen the Living Tribunal and Rob in the same room. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

That’s always been a misconception because Oblivion has never been stated to be above TOAA. Im really glad Hickman cleared that up. Can’t wait to see what him Ewing and the rest cook up with the Inbetweenwer war or whatever cosmic war they’ve been building to since 2016

I still don’t like how they made a Knull in every universe. I liked the idea of him being a single being in all the multiverse.

A few thoughts: 1. Franklin Richards is definitely more powerful than Mad Jim Jaspers. Mad Jim was defeated when he was cast into a void universe in which there was no reality for him to manipulate. Franklin, on the other hand, has created universes. So, if you have one who can manipulate the structure of an existing universe and another who can create a universe out of his own imagination, it's not a close contest. 2. In the Third Cosmos, where duality and conflict came into existence, Lifebringer One (the First Hero) fought the Anti-All -- in fact, they embodied everything in that cosmos. When (in part due to the interference of the Defenders) Lifebringer One defeated the Anti-All, it was fractured into many shards. All the beings of ultimate evil/nihility/oblivion, such as the Chaos King, Null, Oblivion, etc all derive from those shards of the Anti-All that scattered throughout time, space, and beyond. 3. The Beyond in which the Beyonders dwell is the remnant of the Second Cosmos (also known as the First Multiverse). The Second Cosmos was the birthplace of change. It embraced everything new, all at once, and thus rushed headlong into the headiest, wildest new experience of all: All-Death. 4. At the top of the Multiversal structure is the House of Ideas, from which the creative energies flow that are the basis of all matter, energy, time, space, events, people, etc in the Multiverse. At the open door of the House of Ideas, the One-Above-All sits, weaving the energies into patterns that give them structure. Beneath the OAA is the White Hot Room, where ideas become existence. What works is empowered, what does not burns and is reborn. So the Phoenix, at peak capability, is second only to the One-Above-All and the Living Tribunal (and then only when the Living Tribunal is acting directly as the agent of the OAA). The Phoenix is the force that changes what could be into what is, and what was into what may yet be.

Although I would not argue with the creativity of both Al Ewing and Jonathan Hickman, it was referenced in the past that the concept of eternity was the total sum of magic in the universe. Of course, things change and concepts are changed, but wanted to drop that in the discussion.

Dr. Doom finds a way to top any of these entities.

Absolutely loved this deep dive into the Marvel Cosmic hierarchy! It's fascinating how the landscape has evolved, especially with characters like Franklin Richards and the Phoenix Force being pushed to the forefront. The idea that the Phoenix embodies all life across the multiverse is mind-blowing! I mean, it’s not just about power; it’s about the essence of existence itself. And the interplay between the Living Tribunal and Oblivion adds such rich layers to the narrative. It’s like a cosmic chess game where every piece has its own story. Can’t wait to see how these dynamics unfold in future arcs! Keep up the great work!

The Galactus that consumed Dorkmammu in his own realm is the REAL, non-jobber Galactus.

Ya know I’m something of a god myself

This deserves so many more subs!

I love Marvel Cosmic stuff. Great Vid Rob

Maybe it's just me, but I loved what Al Ewing did with Galactus. Bring back the Lifebringer!

What if The One Above All is just Ice Spice oiled up

I don't think Doctor Strange is including Galactus when he said "nobody".

Bro I just saw Galactus one shot the entire Celestial race and had 3 Molecule Men as heralds. This version was insane and ruthless ✅

Finally another hierarchy video these are my favorite.

Me thinking Rob should cover the updated Marvel cosmic hierarchy… the next day my wish is granted….. life is good

Unleash the cosmic hulk...

This video is so good! I'm hooked!

Given what I'm finding out here and after seeing Doomsday Clock, I think it's time Rob does another video comparing Doctor Manhattan to Marvels hierarchy 👀 JUST A SUGGESTION MAYHAPS Love you Rob 😘

As soon as you mentioned Franklin... Me: "I bet him bringing back Galactus makes an appearance."😊 Rob did not disappoint. He loves that moment 😂

This is awesome. So glad you revisited this. The cosmic hierarchy is all over the place, it's so hard to tell who is above the rest. All of a sudden I miss the how to beat series from old.

I love Lore like this ❤ Scarlet Witch Comic has some good recent commentary on Nexus being. Basically they're avatars for the Never Queen to use against her Sister. Odin also being revealed to be a nexus Being was dope in that comic💯. Anyways it was revealed that Wanda via teaming up with her Twin Peitro could become a higher form of a nexus being. One that would reign supreme over the entire Multiverse.

Legion should be on here. I wish Rob respected Legion for his true self and not his splintered self🤦🏾‍♂️…..when Legion was shown transcending he transcended so high that before he could fully transcend he had already ascended to the realm of the Dominion(Enigma). The same Dominion that Jean just fought. Legion is really like that

Rob you’re the GOAT.

Marvel hierarchy is a damn joke now. They’ll just create a story and give a random character insane power for no reason at all. Like Franklin or Kevin Beshear lol

Bit of an outlier but what about the Galactus that had not one but two molecule men as heralds in the Dr Doom anual earlier this year. Doubt we will ever see that version of him again but still cool none the less

Thank you explaining this, lord knows i want gonan read that G.O.D.S. run☠️🤣

I like how everyone, including this channel, has just agreed to forget that Ulysees from Civil War 2 ascended to a cosmic level entity representing Time

White phoenix is stated to now be well above oblivion and the living tribunal. It’s said to be on par with the one above all

Doesn’t God of Stories Loki create the story? Isn’t that the whole point of them, they control the narrative of the story? It was never mentioned in your Defenders Beyond video but it was GoS Loki who orchestrated the whole thing, and then they got the Eternity Mask which gives them power equal to everything even outside of the multiverse (since when America Chavez had it she managed to fight against the Beyonder and The Phoenix). Imo GoS Loki is “doing nothing” since their goal isn’t to engage in the action but rewrite the stories by changing status quo’s. GoS Loki at this point has gone beyond action and is simply involved in creation. I agree that it’s obviously up to however the writers want the story to end, but that’s the case with every character on this list lol

the guy in the comic @13:57-13:58 who mentions dazzler with the drink in his hand reading a comic Looks like rob to me lol

Rob the goat in the comics world

4 more beings I'd like to add is The Mother Of Horrors, True Form Thanos, Lifebringer One and the Anti-All. The Anti-All and Lifebringer One are beings from the 3rd Cosmos, representing the opposite to each other. Lifebringer One represented as the first Sentry, while the Anti-All was the first Void. The Mother Of Horrors is the arch enemy of The One Above All/One Below All. She's basically the reason why Hell Lords, Fear Lords and any other dark and powerful monstrosities exist in Marvel. They're all connected to her. As for True Form Thanos, he exists in a different plane of existence and watches over all of creation like a simulation. Basically the universe is just a simulation and that all of creation belongs to Thanos. What's really going on is that everyone in existence is being tortured by True Form Thanos. It's stated that Thanos has already won and that all was Thanos, all is Thanos and all will forever be Thanos. Darkseid eat your heart out.

YEEEEESSSSS, COSMIC MARVEL STUFF!!!!

So Knull just misses his old roommate Oblivion? Wait is Meridius or the final Eddie on Knull's level? Aren't they anti Beyonders or did I remember that wrong?

I personally would argue Phoenix equal to Oblivion, if not higher than it. It was stated to be the assurance of rebirth from non-existence and when it was effectively killed recently, it didn’t necessarily die. Rather it was more stuck in a state of inactivity and confusion. After it was fully destroyed, it became reborn again. There are also statements by the Phoenix that everything lives because it chooses to live. So long as it does not give in, then existence will continue. That would mean it is effectively defying Oblivion constantly to maintain existence.

20:49 the “ultimate ultimates” lmao

Franklin was always KILLED by the Mad Celestials, until he gave Galactus his power. So you kinda got that wrong, against 3/4 Celestials, Franklin always lost.🤷🏽‍♂️ But you’ve got him ranked HIGHER than them.🤷🏽‍♂️🤔

I just want to see the return of the chaos king and protege. 😔😔

TOAA/TOBA is number 1 I think since it's God/Writer. Anti All is probably up there somewhere since he is what Oblivion was thought to be apparently. GoS Loki is a weird to place especially since he's "helping" Thor to look inward took acquire the same power he has to Write the Story and Thor's case calling Wheel of Fate so potentially Thor gonna be up there as well and Loki doesn't really do anything with the power or fans probably overhype it. Enigma is stronger than the Phoenix force I think and Enigma was hyped up to be a new hierarchy of power and maybe stronger than the TOAA/TOBA but it turned out to be nothing. Phoenix force basically got replaced by the Living Tribunal it's seems like since just basically represent the same thing and writers seem to be bias for Phoenix force I've noticed. So GoS Loki Enigma Phoenix force are all on a limbo area with power. Also Knull should be like a True Form Darkseid situation so it makes more sense for everyone.

Question where is people like Glorian and the Queen of Nevers as they reside at the edge of reality and Glorian is basically the guy for couldn’t be shouldn’t be and Queen of Nevers as the incarnation of Can be Shall be which is every possible idea.

Hell lords, fear lords, skyfathers, are all the lowest tier. But sometimes certain hell lords are greater, it depends on the individual, there are those on par with those above, for example, even daimon hellstrom has casually stopped a celestial with a last second shield, etc. etc. knull and the other kings in black are equal to the beyonders as well.

At 14:00 minute mark, dude look just like Rob.

Bro has beef with The Phoenix …. Every single feat you didn’t like: “uh I actually disagree with that.” “Uh I actually disagree with that.” Lmao. If it is truly the sum total of life (or even psionic energy) that shall ever, currently, and has existed… it’s in the right spot. As it should be. It’s appeared even in Wildstorm comics… it’s an omniversal entity. And has defeated Enigma to boot. All of these characters have received buffs time and time again… not just Phoenix. Also, I wouldn’t put Loki above One Above All. I just don’t see it. His power seems to be reality warping, and yet he’s not actually doing much warping in the first place- in fact, his powers are kind of confusing anyway.

Marvel’s Cosmic landscape is so crazy I wish we had established it better smh

I know it's arguable, but I absolutely agree with your #1 pick. Controlling a soft-break of the 4th wall like that is insane compared to everything else.

Galactic!

I hope all of the Scarlett Witch fans watched this video in its entirety. The Phoenix smokes her and it's not even close.

TOAA and TOBA

I'm surprised you didn't include Wanda. Wanda can banish the Phoenix Force, rewrite reality and recreate the multiverse. She cannot be truly killed, she just resurrects whenever she feels like being alive again. Wanda has even overpowered and replaced Elder God Chthon.

Ah man rob!! So my question is!! What about that female Maranda?? A living editor!! You said with Loki he can’t stop the editor? But she is the editor!

These are my favorite kind of videos. Awesome video Rob

The "Aspirins" 😂

Hey Rob, what about The Custodian of the Multiverse? If they have the ability to support the multiverse, surely they could just let the multiverse fall into oblivion whenever they want

I love the list, but I really feel like The Protégé gets forgotten. Less we forget, he is still out there like the Chaos King and he can duplicate any power we sees, so conceivably he can become more powerful than any character on these lists.

Man I’m hype for this, the last cosmic power hierarchy was 3 years ago can’t wait to see this years iteration🤟🏾💫

Thank you so much for making this itss so confusing everytime everybody is like the STRONGEST

Hey Rob! I’m super interested to hear your thoughts on the new Scarlet Witch run where it was stated that she was the only person within marvel that defies the grand design of the one above all and she truly has free will. She also beat the griever in this run who one shotted Franklin Richard’s, Molecule Man, Etc.

I really don't like that the Living Tribunal can be triumphed over... it makes him completely useless.

You're mistaken Rob. The far shore is basically Marvel's equivalent of the source wall which covers the entire Multiverse. Beyond the Far shore is outside, and in the outside, which is the mystery. you have the Beyond realm, the white hot room, the land of couldn't be shouldn't be and the house of ideas

Love your videos

All this video proved us how much Marvel and DC are essentially the same now.

Good afternoon comic friends

Damn it Rob. No extra emotion to "RISE" "TO ME MY GALACTUS"

Amazing!!!! I was going to drop a message and ask for this! Thank you

Think about it. Phoenix has MULTI-UNIVERSAL power and OMMI-VERSAL power. It has to be in the top three ....nuff said😊

Earth and all its heroes potentially getting destroyed a hundred times over... hmmm... whats not to like😅

G.O.D.S has been one of the best reads from Marvel since House of X/Powers of X. It is a culmination of Hickman's work at Marvel and it has so many callbacks and hidden explanations for things he did and it really makes the book enjoyable. As do the characters; Dmitri's issue was so heartbreaking.

Galactic VS the 13 Primes

Loki and Franklin Richard's limitations remind me of this line by the Genie in Aladdin: "PHENOMINAL COSMIC POWER... itty-bitty living space"

Where is the New Gods or whatever it's called. With the Constantine knock off. Those were awesome..

You know you're OP when Galactus is YOUR herald!

The four siblings are on the same level. Eternity & Infinity + Death & Oblivion. They are the 4 equal parts of all that is the Multiverse.

I LOVE how they drew Oblivion in G.O.D.S. so much

I think the Marques of Death should be higher, given that he literally used cosmic entities to play insane game of "chess". But I get the reasoning based on his death, which I still think was done in as Rob says "A hand wavey way"

So many wrong things you stated. The beyonders are above Omniversal Eternity, the First Fermament and all the other 7 Eternities, because as shown in Defenders Beyond The beyonders exist in the farshore on higher realm than the Omniverse itself. Molecule Man also has been shown holding the entire omniverse in a box. Also The god of stories Loki is not that high in the list, he couldn't confine a beyonder within a panel story, the beyonder freed himself easily. Even if we over estimate his power he would barely stand on the level of Couldn't-Be Shouldn't-Be realm where stories end, and that's a realm below the Queen of Nevers which you completely forgot about. And i don't know where the Oblivion w@nk!ng come from, he barely stand on equal footing with Omniversal Eternity, there is ZERO proof of him being more powerful than Beyonders, Phoenix, The never Queen or any other character existing in the farshore beyond the omniverse

I don't know how the Phoenix Force isn't number one. It is the sum of all energy that has been, currently is, and ever will be. Think about that. Actually think about that; you name any other character who should be stronger, and the Phoenix force has their energy already -- even if it hasn't happened yet. And everyone else's. The problem with the Phoenix Force is that it needs a host to interact with the physical plane. Jean Grey in the White Hot Room was found to be the best conductor of its power, but this doesn't translate to anything close to the PF's true power. The Phoenix is more a concept, like time or space. Yet, it has both time and space (all power from everywhere through all of time itself) built in its definition. This is a totally arbitrary number, but, Jean could only harness maybe 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of the Phoenix Force's power when she was at her peak. Yet, for some reason, this Force of incomprehensible power is impressed when a little girl prevents her dying friend from moving on for a split second. Why? Why does it care? Does it want to be corporeal? Did it, in fact, once have a body? I wish Marvel would do something on the origin of the Phoenix Force.

I feel that Galacticus beating Dormammu does't mean that Galacticus is more powerful overall. It is more along the lines of a being that is made of Kryptonite and red sun radiation battling Superman. Galacticus is just a energy eater and Dormammu is just a ready made meal for him. While most other being in the universe would struggle dealing with Dormammu, even if they could feed on him, Galacticus has the capacity to hold all of Dormammu's power and the durability to last long enough to devour him.

I have a series idea: A Biography Of series. The idea is that Rob gives us the biography, comic legacy, and any cultural impact, of an individual within the comic industry, who are retired in some way or has died. Such as Jack Kirby and Joe Simon.

Watching your channel is like an excursion into a world of hilarious adventures and incredible jokes. Continue to delight us with your wit and creativity!🍂🏉😄

Somehow Squirrel Girl beats them all.

After reading all of this it does make sense Phoenix is on that high position

Great video pointing out those subtlies in power

Rob, that's not Asprins. That's acid 😂😂.

Rob has been cooking with these comics lately 😭

Thanks for doing this video, Rob

30:09 I was thinking Fulcrum, who is the original god and creator of the Celestials was going to share this slot. 😂 But forget the Celestial's origins were retconned.

You're completely wrong about the Phoenix. In fact, Phoenix was originally the second most powerful (even you explain the omniversal aspect) after tooa, but they kept messing it around in the 2000s. Finally, last few years they re-established Phoenix's place in the hierarchy. Also, you're wrong about Phoenix being below oblivion and LT. Phoenix is omniversal, omniscient, omnipresent and nigh omnipotent, and it's definitely more powerful than those 2 beings. Phoenix literally sparked the creation and will ultimately consume all. Marvel can exist with oblivion and lt, but it can't exist without the Phoenix. Also, Phoenix did save the multiverse from existence in the Phoenix saga before all the crazy multiverse stuff, stupid cosmic beings started popping up all over, contradictory to your statement of Phoenix not doing anything big.

It makes sense to me that characters more powerful than the one above all could exist. I think of it as him taking power from the house of ideas and using that to create the multiverse / story, but he doesn’t necessarily have total control of what he has created. For example, I’m sure the OAA could end or completely change the entire multiverse but he couldn’t make it so that the entire multiverse never existed across all time. So entities that have accumulated energy he put out and exist outside of normal reality like the dominions, enigma, or thanos that one time, could have greater power. And I can see Loki having arguably greater power by pulling directly from the house of ideas source which the OAA draws from.

We need Knull vs Oblivion debate. 😅😅😅😅

I’ve been looking forward to a new marvel hierarchy from you in years. You’re right about it being more difficult to catalogue now. Hickman gone and done it 😂

Eventuality Eddie Brock is also beyonder level. King in Black, Kings in Ivory.

Dang where the homie protege at

Does anyone remember the comic where at the end Galactus meets up with Eternity and chooses the form of a star in his conversation with Eternity? This always implied, at least to me, that he chooses the body he exists in. Also, in another comic I can’t remember it was said he choose the body he does have to conserve energy. Most of the hierarchy will change in another decade.