One of the most brilliant parts of this is how this scene perfectly syncs up with what we know about the turians from the game's Codex. Sidonis tried to hide from his mistakes and flee from what he did, which is a huge taboo among the turians. Then, when Garrus and Shepard confront him, he owns up to and admits his own mistakes, which is what a turian should have done. That's part of the reason why Garrus forgives Sidonis.
KoraggRules After the mission there will be a citadel news bulletin announcing that he turned himself in. You will see it playing when running around Zakera ward. It’s also on the wikia/ fandom page for sidonis.
This part of the mission is why Garrus has always been my favorite. I like the internal conflict he always struggles with throughout all three games. His heart is in the right place, but he always goes about using the wrong methods to deal with matters.
Here's what Shepard should have done: Garrus: Shepard, move! Shepard: *smiles* Garrus, have you properly CALIBRATED that rifle? Garrus: Shit! *starts calibrating* Shepard: Run Sidonis! NOW!
Funny, if in game models were accurate to canon species/characters' heights, Shepard standing in front of Sidonis would not be a very good shield. At all. I guess Shepard could yank Sidonis down by the collar. Or jump a lot.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 well, FemShep is. BroShep is only about 2 inches shorter, which isn't really enough of a difference for Garrus to get a clean shot off on Sidonis.
Even though my Shepard is/was Renegade, I just couldn't let him continue with this path, so I saved Sidonis too. "An eye for an eye, and the world goes blind".
"It's later revealed in a news report on the Citadel that Sidonis turned himself in to C-Sec, confessing to the murders of Garrus' team. However, it is uncertain if he will be convicted, as the murders were committed on Omega and outside the Council's jurisdiction. "
I let him live. See, here is the thing. I've never been in a life or death situation like this one and while I would like to think that if the push came to shove I would protect my allies and not give in to fear in real life...I honestly can't say with complete certainty that I would. In mass effect it's easy to look down on cowards because we are playing as the big strapping hero fighting to save the galaxy. We dont have to worry about death because it's just a game and we get to indulge in our inner most heroic fantasies. But that's the thing...in the end these are just fantasies. In real life war isn't nearly as polished as its portrayed in video games. I dont know many people who I can say with certainty would even charge in to a burning building to save a kid. Self preservation is a pretty powerful instinct. It would be one thing if this guy had betrayed Garus with malicious intent but in the end he was guilty of the same crime we are all guilty of. Being human. Being falliable.
Yeah, I feel you on that. I know I let Sidonis live, though I was a teen playing this and forgot why, but my reasoning for it now is that Garrus ain't the kind of guy to do things illegally. He was doing that as Archangel and he wasn't mentally well then. Dude just wanted to die. To let him give in to vengeance and take another life to try to satisfy that urge of "justice" would have weighed on him so heavy. As his bro, I just couldnt let him do that. Him and Tali are both the absolute best homies in the game, par none.
I always really liked the paragon relationship shepard and garrus have throughout mass effect 1 and 2. In 1, Garrus is itching to let go of all the things holding him back, while Shepard helps keep him grounded. And then in 2, Garrus has become archangel after Shepard's death. He learned a lot from Shepard but not everything. The confrontation with Sidonis helps give him a new perspective that denies him the easy satisfaction in favor of finding closure via introspection and growth.
Hello There I actually played a mentor type and saw Garrus' personality shift. When I played renegade I let him go all Judge Dredd on fools and he was like a different guy lol
This had my mind torn, but in the end, it was a very emotional moment when Garrus admitted he still saw his friend in Sidonis, AND when he finally told Shepard to tell Sidonis to just go. I love this option much better. My first few playthroughs, I always let Garrus kill him because I thought that was the best way. But now that I've done this one, it's really much much better if you let Sidonis live.
I couldn't let him do it, he wasn't acting like himself, definitely not the same as that time with doctor saleaon/heart. generally wasn't the same garrus I knew 2 years ago. so I let him live
Garrus has a Rorschach view of the world. Unlike Rorschach who is a misanthrope with no friends, Garrus has Sheppard who he views as not only his friend but also an example to be followed. And before you say that renegade Sheppard is a genocidal bastard try and forget that this is a game and truly imagine those situations. Would you really let the new Rachni queen go? A potential menace to the whole galaxy? Spare the Krogan, who you saw in the first game that even those who they consider friends can be shot dead should you not agree with their point of view? Spare a council that was in every step of the way not helping you and not interested in human affairs? This is why when you start a Mass effect 2 or Mass effect 3 game without save transfers you will see that everything is set up as renegade.
.... but I just completed the whole trilogy, never said anything about going renegade, and it was all on my 1st run. I spared the rachni, because I believed in 2nd chances I helped wrex because he obviously doesn't isn't like other krogan I saved the council because that's my job as not only as a spectr, but as a soldier too. Save lives, not take away as many as possible. (That's what soldiers are supposed to do aren't they?)
RavenKiro No. Soldiers don't save lives, soldiers obey orders and kill other soldiers. Sheppard isn't a soldier, he/she is an Spectre, free to go his/her way for the sake of the greater good. People who play paragon remind me of the student of Mordin in the clinic of Omega. That naïve kid almost gets himself killed by "trying to save everyone" The universe is a cold unforgiving place, you have to choose your friends carefully, that was a hard learned lesson for Garrus.
No it isn't. By sparing Sidonis you left an emotional scarred person/turian continuing on living with guilt. And you leave your best buddy with a permanent grudge. Garrus isn't the type to just forgive people he deems unjust, in Mass Effect 1 he personally shoots Saren in the head even though the dude is clearly not moving and more likely not even breathing, some part of me believes that he enjoyed that.
I never did this because I was afraid I wouldn't earn his loyalty, and because I understood wanting revenge. Seeing this makes me think this is actually way better, definitely going to do this once the remaster releases.
I let Garrus take the shot. If somebody betrayed me like that, I wouldnt be so merciful as Garrus was. He actually did Sidonis a favour, he killed him quickly and painlessly.
I'm not a big fan of the Viper, myself. Sure it fires faster and has a bigger clip, but it doesn't have the solid power per shot of the other sniper rifles. I prefer the Mantis and the Widow.
Blazieth Well currently i am a vanguard so idk the real difference. Garrus is using it atm as its the best for the moment and he is not complaining. I just use my Claymore shotgun to bust heads. xD
Hurlock alpha Eeeexcellent. But yeah, the real question, is Garrus firing any more frequently with the Viper than he does with the Mantis? I've heard he doesn't, but I've never given it to him to see for myself. If he's not firing that thing like a damn assault rifle, you're better off sticking him with the Mantis.
Blazieth I am playing ME2 so idk if this sniper is available. Maybe if you play as infiltrator you get it? I know that the Claymore is a vanguard only weapon. Maybe such is the case with the Mantis for infiltrators?
@theQuestion626 Yeah, I completely agree with everything you wrote. When I was younger, I always went with the "Renegade" option, thinking it was more efficient and "tougher." But now, I think that the Paragon options are often much harder (and more impressive) to make, even more badass. It takes a special kind of strength and courage to be a Paragon in real life, to spare lives. Anybody can be Renegade... it's much easier to be trigger-happy and kill indiscriminately.
Shepard's attitude toward Garrus in the paragon option just... irritates me, even though I'm glad that Sidonis could be saved and Garrus could agree with that decision. "You're being too hard on Harkin. This isn't you." Wtf, his anger was totally justified. "I wouldn't let [betrayal] change me." This phrase just rubs me the wrong way, especially since she already agreed to this mission. It also lacks sympathy toward Garrus "I understand what you're going through..." She doesn't though?
I can relate to Sidonis, with what I've done recently on DeviantArt. Once I screw up, (& make them mad or something) it feels impossible to redeem for my actions. I mean, the damage's irreparable, & if it keeps up, I'd feel like a con... or something, I don't know...
The blurring is a glitch from the Depth of Field effect along with a specific texture, such as when a character is standing in front of glass. If I'm not mistaken, it's an issue with the game engine.
I am like that too! . I always thought I would need to study English at a school to learn,but I learned a lot by myself. And you're being most kind,thank you :3
Muito obrigado :D É um prazer imenso ouvir isso de um português :D Estou no Brasil á 3 anos. Não é muito tempo,mas eu pretendo ficar aqui muito mais. Eu adoro o Brasil :D
I only discovered Mass Effect when the third game came out,as well :D . I started with Mass Effect 1 . At first I didn't understood why everyone like it too,but then I was suddenly in love with the game,it's so good!
Despite the fact that Zaeed's revenge mission seems much more realistic, this is still a good mission because it's a chance to see Garrus battle his demons. Or so I feel. Anyways, how great would it be if you did shoot Sidonis and then came the patented: "SCOPED AND DROPPED!"
Watching this again, I just realized that literally all Garrus had to do was take the shot while Sidonis was sitting there and it would have been over. Literally no need for Shepard to get involved at this point....
I was talking about ME2, right after Garrus Loyalty (Sidonis) mission. My reply was for OP. Check the wiki: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Lantar_Sidonis , right from a Galaxy News report in the game.
Você deveria vir mesmo,aposto que não ia se arrepender :D . Eu também tenho vários amigos que já viajaram para Portugal,e eles adoram falar sobre seu país. Só me dá mais vontade de comprar uma passagem e ir logo >.
@5ilverhalo haha glad someone agrees! yes, IMO the paragon path is the best path for Commander Shepard and his team because they represent the best that the galaxy has to offer. However, some Renegade choices must be made, within reason of course. That aside, I've always believed that Shepard seeks justice and not vengeance, which is what I believe he taught Garrus with Sidonis.
@halbrd Not really. But you do get a special dialogue if the option appears in blue text, something I thought was much more persuasive than the "neutral" dialogue for telling Garrus not to shoot. Shepard does something along the lines of justifying not killing Sidonis because it would just add the "11th man" to the 10 already dead, and Garrus sort of thinks it out, leading to the "my men deserved better" line. I played an ultimate paragon Shepard.
@PhillyAssassinX Hells yeah, I love Turians too. Such bad-asses. I like how he's very loyal to Shepard too and has a sense of honor and how he/she keeps him straight.
If Sidonis would have done it for rescuing a family member or a loved one, I would have understood. But the guy just did it to save his own ass and self pity after the deed is just lame. If he indeed were threatened by someone, he should have talked to Garrus about it and the problem would have been solved. Now I'm even more convinced that shooting him 'Jack Bauer Style' was the right decision :P
Charlotte Adriaensen I agree. The guy was a total douchebag. I have never once considered actually picking the other option at first, I always immediately stepped away.
Yeah, I was always tempted to save sidonis, but like he said, "some days I just want it to be over." So I guess his death would be better for both him and Garrus. Also it felt kind of wrong to intervene with Garrus and his mission, especially since it's so personal to him...
N7_10 The comic shows what Sidonis was doing when he betrayed Garrus. He was tied to a chair, bloodied with a gun to his head. He broke. That's a bit different than taking thirty pieces of silver.
Does anyone know if it's possible to have the conversation at the end later? After Garrus says he doesn't want to talk about it, if you let it slide, can you bring it up, or do you never discuss it again?
@5ilverhalo The next step is to consider (certain) Renegade choices as actually Paragon since they stray from common morals but can achieve better results. The master is he who dominates both good and bad.
0:26 “What would you do if someone betrayed you?” That’s honestly a really interesting question. What would Shepard do if, say, Wrex killed Tali, or Ashely killed Liara. Obviously, that would never happen, but it’s an interesting thought experiment.
@523TRITO Actually I think if you just let him walk without hitting the paragon save. You don't get the loyalty. It's been a while so I may remember wrong.
lol seeing Garrus walking towards the car after saving Sidonis scared me a little when i first saw this. i was like "Don't shoot me when i get out of the car, please don't shoot me when i get out of the car"
I'm from Portugal. I know our language can be difficult to learn but it's very similar to Spanish. For now i only speak and understand 3 languages,i plan to learn 5 more.
My version on ME2 on the PC also had those strange glitchy effects when getting out of the car etc. I'm gona make sure i choose this option in my playthrough for ME3
I know... I know. But I have to keep telling myself that for the slim chance for the nightmares to go away. I can still see his eyes opening wide when Garus blew his brains out in front of me... asking me "why... I could have made it right, i would have repaid my sins"
nope. I still got the dialogue options for romance after this. But I didn't really go all the way through, since I decided to make this PC stay loyal to Kaidan so I reloaded. Just tested it to see if it would affect it. Looks like it doesnt
@XenosRex Not from what I've seen. By what I mean is that he hasn't done anything diabolical as of yet. Yes he sent Shepard into the collector ship even though he may have though it was a trap. But remember it's commander fucking shepard he can handle it. Yeah he wanted the collector base but....hey Cerberus doesn't know how to make reapers and they don't really commit genocide as Mitch as make sure humans are on the top rung
