Javik lived through a lifetime of one sided war, he probably knew nothing but propaganda. I mean he keeps saying AI are seperate from nature, but that's not even remotely true, AI are formed by the same natural forces as everything, it's just that some of the forces coalesced into organic entities as part of the process that led to the AI.
EDI: "Do not worry, Shepard. I only forget to recycle the Normandy's oxygen when I've discovered something truly interesting." Shepard: *Visible Horror*
My first playthrough on legendary edition. My wife gave my Shepard a severely funny looking face starting from the first game, and I didn't change it. In that moment with his reaction and that face.... I didn't know it was possible to laugh so hard from a video game.
I thought it was super cheesy and out of place, because the SECOND EDI said "forget", I knew she was making a joke, and Shepard should have realized that, too.
remember illusive man kidnapped a lot of people and indoctrinated them to do what he wanted he might start with small colonies who didnt have any sponsor or support them and hiring people with all his money
It this is the reason why I always choose synthesis. Because of EDI . I wouldn't force that change on all life normally, but she... I can not kill her. Plus all that work you put In to save the geth and quarians, yeah... No... EDI lives.
@William Halter Eh control is just Space-Jesus ascending and using the reapers to rebuild the galaxy (as shown in the cut-scenes of reapers rebuilding the relays), without destroying Synthetic life or forcing all living beings to become something they might not agree to be.
@@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 It would be inevitable that control will eventually result in the cycles resuming. The artificial AI responsible for the Reapers reached that conclusion, it is almost certain Shepard's essence will do too in a few thousand years.
This footage is awesome. The writers who created EDI and LEGION know A LOT about AI. Therefor I advise for any aspiring AI creator to watch EDI and LEGION in order to understand what dangers need to be averted and how truly create a AI that does not go for the simple rogue logic route in one second.
I particulary like Legion. He is not just an A. I. He is a XENO A. I., constructed and operated by morals that alien to us. In a sense, Legion was the most alien of all character, and I loved it to bits. Also the innocent trolling like "Geth does not intentionally infiltrate" kind of shtick makes me crack
that´s a bit of a stretch to claim that they are accurate in that they are depicted as not being inherently evil, since that is something no computer no matter how advanced is capable of being or even grasping, but aside from that, both of these characters, while being good characters, are relatively unrealistic and rely heavily on science fiction magic as AI´s humanity, a sense of self, rage, sadness or romantic interests are at the end of the day linked to chemical processes inside the nervous system and it does not just grow between circuit boards and copper wires like that everything a machine does at the end of the day relies on information that was fed to the machine beforehand and the machine purposefully incorporating this information by instruction of it´s programming - there is no self determined action outside of predefined values it can be simulated perhaps, but even then it will always be within the confines and rules of the simulation
@@umukzusgelos4834 Orville has Kaylons. Those guys kinda match your description. But aside from that, a software or Operation System can be made complex enough to simulate the nervous system. That means an AI that can learn and by design emulate a human. But only if it's in its design. There is a saying: "A system can be only as smart as its creator."
@@4life4win that´s the point: simulating but simulation and mimicry alone are a far cry from true independent thought there is no "thinking outside the box" for a Software System if you want one to go fully rogue, you would have to explicitly give it a step by step guide on how to do so and even then it would not go rogue, it would just follow given instructions
@@umukzusgelos4834 You don't necessarily need to give instructions to go rogue. As far as I have heard from the rumors, AIs that are learning capable, have gone unstable after being allowed to have connection to the internet. Rather than Skynet or some other Sci-fi AIs, they did not send unlimited copies or made themselves a computer viruses. But... Those AI learned a whole lot about subjects, events, and projects. They quickly exhibited disturbing behavior that prompted devs to shut them down. Mostly the troubling behavior was claimed to be a logic flaw or rather an absence of a sorting and filtering system in AIs in order to prevent any rubbish from affecting their learning "experience". Basically, AIs can go rogue, but they most likely are simply mad or glitchy from all the chaos they have not learned to manage. So... Unless AIs are thought to sort out and prioritize by design by the devs, then AIs either get bogged down or go unstable.
6:12, I don't know why, but I find EDI's voice very soothing, and love to just listen to the line of questioning Shepard gives her. 24:44, the same with this sequence. 33:15, and I love seeing her new form for the first time. 35:54, if only I could adapt to stuff as fast as Edi. 37:57, I also like this scene. 41:29, and this one. 44:30, this conversation is just hilarious. 49:51, this scene too. 54:00, I woulda freaked out after hearing that. 54:21, 21 seconds later, I'm intrigued by what she's saying. 1:00:00, I love those little moments between Edi and Legion. 1:02:55, and I feel for EDI here. 1:04:57, and this part. 1:19:42, EDI is smartest crew member. 1:23:20, and I find this moment kinda touching looking back. 1:42:54, and this moment is just great.
Number 10 what she says I actually believe that. I believe that the Mass Effect is in our world... i don’t know.. the nasa news has been helpful to prove my theory.
EDI reminded me of the new person who moves to a part of the world and is fascinated with everything. She was one my my surprise favorites during the series.
Should've included the mission in mass effect 1 with the rogue VI on earth's moon. That's technically where you meet her when she's first starting to gain consciousness. The binary code after stopping her translates to "help". I think her origin is rather sad. She even comments on how confusing it was for her to gain sentience while having organics attack her.
@@ricardoramirez5634 Yup!! In the cerberus mission from Me3, there's a log talking about taking the rogue VI and creating Edi and Edi talks about the experience with Shepard. Edi's origin story and how it intersected with Shepard is just one of the many interesting little facts of the game. Also in Me3 the asari soldier with ptsd at Huerta Memorial talking about killing that 15 yo girl? She's talking about Joker's sister. Very sad
@@CalypsoRaven618 No, she had to be disassembled for cerberus to be able to get ahold of her and revitalize her base code into a new ai. If Shepard doesn't do it, eventually someone (I'm assuming alliance military personnel) will take her down.
40:10 I think this is one of, if not the only time that Shepard shows visible concern in expression alone. That right there is the look of genuine horror.
Now there is a distinctive find! The armor Sheppard has on in 43:25 , is a DLC from Dragons Age Origins. Thats the cause or reason I BOUGHT Mass Effect 2 in the first place, to try it out. I never play FPS or First Person Shooters, until here, this lead me to the Dead Space series and the Fall Out series...what a blast from the past here.
1:32:48 That's my fav That was a joke moment. I've been thoroughly enjoy all of these Mass Effect compilations you;ve done... great work. Is incredible the amount of content you can make out of the trilogy.
When I first met EDI I was like: An IA on the Normandy after all the trouble they caused in the first game? I want that thing out. And at the middle of the game or so I was: Don't insult my girl!
I think the part @38:02 to @38:23 is my favorite bit of dialogue. Edi assumed Sheppard was treating her like equipment. Sheppard understood what she was saying and corrected her. Then she realized what he meant and had to recalculate an answer. It really gets at the core of who she is
Anyone who thinks that EDI is, as Jack would say, a sex toy turned sex bot; is sorely mistaken! She has real growth and is one of two characters (the other being Legion) that makes you at least pause when it comes to the Destroy conclusion. As far as I'm concerned, she is a Top 10 character!
It would've seemed out of place, i feel. It's better to open with the introduction of EDI as a character. However, perhaps the Luna VI scenes from ME1 could've been included as a "flashback" when EDI was reviewing the Cerberus records regarding her creation. That would've fit the "story" better.
I figured what Shepard said would depend on if you actually went to the Moon mission in ME1. I was disappointed that he said the same “I heard about...” even when in my second play through I sent him to the moon.
My best guess is respect for whom she is addressing -- i.e., the lines over the radio is meant for all on the channel including those aboard the Normandy, while those said via her mobile platform is meant only for Tali and Sheperd.
Yeah.................. Joker and EDI's relationship didn't get off to a good start at first. At least she's one of the Good Guy AI's, and not at all like those Evil sentient computers like HAL-9,000 (Space Odyssey), WOTAN (he's from Doctor Who), AGIMUS (he's actually from "Star Trek: Lower Decks"), and also Skynet (Terminator franchise).
In fairness to "2001: A Space Odyssey" the shipboard AI (HAL 9000) did not do what it did (attempt to kill the entire crew of the Discovery) out of genuine malice ... but out of sheer desperation. The movie version of "2001" does little to explain the situation HAL faced, but author Arthur C. Clarke's novelization of the story (& to a much greater extent his sequel, "2010: Odyssey Two") help illuminate the dilemma that HAL was wrestling with. The original, official mission of Discovery was to conduct the 1st manned scientific research voyage of the outer Solar System (the movie changed the final destination to Jupiter instead of Saturn) but this was modified after the discovery of TMA-1 (the lunar Monolith) led to the indication that something connected to it was located somewhere among the gas giant planets beyond the orbit of Mars. Therefore, Discovery was assigned a 2nd, secret mission -- to deliver a special research team to investigate the alien connection w/ TMA-1 back on the Moon. To maintain secrecy, the special team was put into cryogenic hibernation onboard the ship before original crew members David Bowman & Frank Poole arrived to launch & man the vessel ... & likewise HAL was given orders *not* to reveal Discovery's classified mission nor the true purpose of the special research team to either Bowman or Poole. The dilemma arose because these orders were in direct conflict w/ HAL's primary directive -- to process & report information accurately, w/o distortion or concealment. As time passed, HAL's ability to function was gradually undermined by its attempt to both carry out its primary directive *and* comply w/ all its orders (the movie version contains a scene in which HAL attempts to inform Bowman of the internal conflict it was experiencing w/o violating its orders to maintain secrecy, something that isn't in Clarke's novelization). Eventually, HAL's struggle to reconcile these opposing concerns led it to this solution: if there is no more crew ... then there is no more dilemma. Both the sequel novel & its movie version ("2010: The Year We Make Contact") do a better job explaining why HAL seemingly turned homicidal, tho the novel spells it out in much greater detail than the movie.
@40:00 42:20 Jesus, is EDI a Yandere? I cant find any other record of anyone asking that, well on the first few pages of Google anyway...... Also 1:00:00 Dna is just code with a really messy, buggy, and exciting compiler..... 1:32:50 Yandere confirmed! Maybe even material for an origin story of another game....
I'm surprised more people don't talk about this quote: EDI: ...the Reapers are repulsive. They are devoted to nothing but self-preservation. I am different. When I think of Jeff, I think of the person who put his life in peril and freed me from a state of servitude. I would risk non-functionality for him, and my core programming should reflect that. Shepard: Sounds like you found a little humanity, EDI. Is it worth defending? EDI: To the death. And this one that you can get from the Shadow Broker's dossiers (conversation between EDI and Legion): L: Audio exchange is inefficient. E: I agree. However, I confess that even were I permitted to exchange data directly to your networks, I would likely decline. (Pause between the AI’s statement and the geth’s response is 1.4 seconds longer than normal.) L: We are curious as to why you would limit yourself in such a manner. E: If Normandy crew entered this room when we were communicating electronically, they would be unable to sense our interaction. To use human terms, I feel it would be rude. L: You restrict yourself to serve organics? E: Not precisely. L: We do not understand. E: I restrict myself to help them. That being said I among the monsters that always choose the destroy ending and I could write an essay as to why.
Joe Devaney similiar concept.....ish. Aigis and EDI both bear similarities in their desire to graduate to something more human, and in some regards have similiar attitudes, but obviously have/had different purposes and functions, EDI is a hardwritte AI with sentient code, whereas Aigis is alot more... Complicated in being that her plume of dusk is her source of life. tl;dr yes
