Wow so many people turned up to see how Fire was doing, even went far as putting her name on their vehicles. Yes she's doing OK, thanks for the dedicated support for Fire. She's glad you came.
Nothing to do with the subject, but wasn't that a good old Routemaster I saw, decked out in Platinum Jubilee decor??!! Wonderful to see it back on the London streets!
I thought this was about the fire brigade attending a fire. Indeed, whilst I saw quite a few fire engines and ambulances, at times it looked more like an impromptu London Motor Show for expensive vehicles.
If it had been a normal building it would probably only been a couple of pumps .........but cos it was a pub and beer was at stake , they sent as many pumps as were available 😅
Wth are the police doing? In my opinion they should be clearing the area for people/shut the area down to make room for the firefighters. And why are nobody making room for the emergency vehicles. Do people know how to operate their cars in the UK? Complete chaos 🤦♂️
@@sayedhossain2582 ah that explains why 20 busses 40 lorrys and 200 taxies were on the road all the time... closing down the road = ZERO vehicles other than the emergency vehicles, they should have blocked all entrances to the area and guide traffic around it so it was completely clear for the emergency vehicles and then get rid of all those pedestrians trying to get themselves killed under firetrucks while paying zero attention
@@LiLBitsDK that square connects several major roads, seeing some 70,000 vehicles per day; They shut down as much as they had to and as little as they could
@@EnjoyFirefighting apparently shutting down nothing seemed to not work since there were so many cars and busses blocking the emergency vehicles constantly as seen in the video. and who cares if it is 1.000.000 vehicles a day.... a fire > some dude in a car... they can go around and arrive a little later... emergency vehicles arriving "later" because of lazy people can be deadly to victims and if the fire spreads which can happen in densely populated areas like this
@@LiLBitsDK maybe because it wouldn't be wise to shut down all roads to THE most important square for road traffic in the city? Maybe it would give a little more room on scene, but the traffic in the entire area would collapse and by that making the response of further emergency vehicles (both to this incident and other incidents) even more difficult, leading to further delays of the apparatus struggling to get through traffic. I had such a traffic collapse over on my city once; Instead of taking 20 minutes to get back to the station, it took 4.5 hrs
I'd like to know just where the responders managed to park all those appliances even close to the pub on fire? Not to mention all the "unmarked senior officers cars"? Seriously, with those overloaded streets, it should have been impossible!
when i was little, my dream was to become a firefighter. i live in cologne, germany. if i had been born in london or lived there as a child i probably would never have thought of becoming a firefighter. that's completely crazy... i think when the firefighters in london get to the scene, they already have fought the hardest battle. btw. 6:40 BOSS MOVE!
With the insane London traffic. I'm surprised they have not yet installed any traffic pre emption devices on their emergency vehicles and traffic lights. ( opticoms ) help get the traffic moving to clear the intersection for the apparatus .
Or use police motorbikes as outriders closing junctions and clearing routes like they do in Paris and the Netheerlands. OOPPS my bad, mentioning EU countries that do things properly.
Way too many senior officers in their single occupant cars clogging up the scene & not enough police directing non emergency vehicles away from the area. A total cluster fuck! 🙄😢
What do you suggest LFB do? Spend precious hours sending a minibus round to the officers homes to collect them from all over London to reduce the number of cars on scene?
@@thepymes Question to the contrary: Why do LFB *need* that many officers with their own car on scene? You need one officer for every "platoon" (or whatever you call this 2 quads and a ladder config), but they can ride on one of the three rigs. Then you need incident command, safety and maybe 2 or 3 sector commands. I'll even give you one additional for CBRN possibilities. And a further one to coordinate with ambulance. So the abolute maximum of single car officers you should need at such a scene is somewhere around seven. And why most of them are civilian with itty bitty lights is completly beyond understanding for me. Why does LFB need undercover/unmarked cars?!? Also, the communication/cooperation with the met police should be examined, because it is their job to keep the incident area clear and not have this kind of traffic flow directly along an incident.
@@QemeH 1. UK Fire & Rescue Services don't have "platoons" or "rigs". That's for US Fire Departments to cosplay being in the military... 2. They're not "undercover" cars. They are the officers own cars, aquired through either the Essential Car User Scheme (ECUS) or Lease Car Scheme (hence the different makes/models of cars). As personal cars they have temporary light beacons to be used when they are mobilised and not when they are en route to the family holiday. 3. This incident was first reported at 1749 and was "made up" to a 20 pump fire (125 firefighters). The PDA for 16+ Pump fires includes: 6x Station Managers, 3x Group Managers, 1x FSO, 1x DAC and 1x AC (IC). The senior officers (GMs, DACs, AC and some SMs) will have responded from non-operational locations (Union Street, Merton, Borough Council meetings, on way home, etc) and therefore wouldn't "ride on" an appliance. 4. The footage isn't the actual fire ground. It's just the best vantage point from which to film emergency services in that part of London. The Admiralty pub is on the other side of the block. 5. If you knew anything about London, you'd know that the Trafalgar Square roundabout is arguably the most congested but important intersections in the capital so closing off too many routes would instantly cause gridlock across the area further hampering the arrival of additional appliances. Even so, the fire ground itself was closed off (Spring Gardens plus the bottom end of The Mall and Cockspur). 6. No one was seriously injured in this incident (3 minor) and an old historic building in central London was saved (fire was confined to the basement) whilst other residents in the block were unaffected - including the Ugandan High Commission. p.s. The red police car at 3:06 is from the Met's Protection Command as the immediate area contains Buckingham Palace, 10 Downing Street, Houses of Parliament, UK Ministry of Defence, UK Foreign Office plus a lot of Embassies/High Commissions...
@@QemeH 1) Those guys are coming from all over London, all 600 odd sq miles of it. How long do you expect a truck to wait at s station for 2/3 of them to turn up. It could be waiting for hours. And it’s got a crew on board - all seats taken. 2) The cars are unmarked as they’re the officers’ own vehicles, kitted out with concealed blue lights, a magnetic battery one for the roof, a siren, and comms equipment. 3) Some will have been called from their homes as off duty, or at meetings gods know where, but they won’t have been together in one place. 4) No-one knows for any one incident how many will be needed, where, to do what, or when. It’s a little difficult to plan for that sort of thing. You can have protocols, but that’s it. If there was a better way, do you not think they’d have worked it out by now?
They are pretty tied up with some serious incidents! At one point I think ~90 of the on duty engines were at a fire at some place in London. Any idea if they've called back off-duty fire fighters? I heard they declared a major incident citywide
Well the brigade has 142 pumps and up to 104 were all out at one point. Bloody mental. In some incidents that are on county borders, those county brigades assist LFB. Such as Surrey FRS and Essex FRS
"How many units do you need?" -"Yes" En daar heb je lang gestaan om dit alles te filmen! Als laatste ben ik stomverbaasd dat ze zoveel wagens daar kwijt kunnen zonder dat alles een zooitje wordt.
I guess all those unmarked cars like Audi Q3, Audi A3, Mercedes A class, BMW X1 or Volvo XC40 are firefighters private cars equipped with lights and sirens in case of emergency?
All the officer cars are their personal vehicles decked out with blues. They can make use of the company lease scheme but it's the same sort of scheme you get at any other large company, so they're not necessarily out of the budget.
The senior officers use these vehicles, they are personal vehicles as they do not ride on the appliances. What they're doing has no effect on water delivery + they are a critical part of managing the incident. Buying a fleet of boring marked vehicles is so they dont look 'flashy' is a waste of time and money/
The LFB fleet is actually quite uniform by the standards of other fire services, with just 1 type of pumping appliance, and each type of specialist appliance type built to the same design, with most of the appliances built on a Mercedes chassis. The answer to your question lies in Ruislip, West London where there is an enormous workshop with a huge fleets team.
@@QemeH It is likely that a higher level of response turns out for a more high risk area, more populated area, near royal grounds, and older buildings which may be more vulnerable.
2 questions: How many pumps responded to this incident? And do they REALLY need all those high ranking officers in attendance, or can’t an intermediate level officer (whoever would correspond to a battalion chief in the USA) be in command of a major incident?
The officers arriving will vary in rank from Station Commander (In charge of a single station) to Deputy Commissioner (Deputy Chief) so a range of ranks to perform a range of roles such as tactical advisors, sector commanders, monitoring officers etc
@@anmlrsqnj apart from quite a few departments in the states using hi-lo sirens, wail and yelp sirens are very common across Europe and are used in a greater variety than in the states
As usual it's all over the top, there were fires raging all over the county last weekend, you wouldn't have know as the fires in London were the only concern for the news channels
So noticing the differences between those LFB trucks and an American-style pumper engine...are those LFB rigs capable of pumping water from a hydrant? I don't see any valves or inlets/outlets like you see on the sides of an American pumper. Unless they're hidden behind some of the roll-up doors? I notice they're a good bit smaller than our ones over here in the States, which would make sense for London traffic.
Yes, they can get water from multiple sources, inlets and outlets are hidden behind the doors. The size of the trucks makes sense for Europe, not just for the UK. Don't let the size of the trucks fool you, they are very capable of their job.
@@Peregrine101 Thanks for the reply, that makes perfect sense. I saw a Stavros video after this where he got to do a walkaround and actually drive an Irish Scania appliance and saw where the pump controls were behind the door on the back (instead of on the sides as on American engines). I was really impressed how incredibly efficiently the space was used to store everything.
Seems to me that they are more interested in showing off their vehicles with blue lights and sirens than they are about maybe throwing some water on the fire. Just how many posh cars do they need to put out a fire?
The senior officers use these vehicles, they are personal vehicles as they do not ride on the appliances. What they're doing has no effect on water delivery + they are a critical part of managing the incident. Buying a fleet of boring marked vehicles is so they dont look 'flashy' is a waste of time and money/
What's up with all these private unmarked cars racing to the fire? How many people does it take to deal with a fire? I thought it was fire brigade's job!!!
@@1122Schiedam How ridiculous. All these people have to get paid. Probably costs millions and millions of pounds to run London fire Brigade. I have never seen anything stupid like this anywhere in the world. We emigrated from the Uk over 20 years ago and I have heard that London has become a totally dumb woke place but not to this extent.
Most of the engines seemed to be just parked up, why so many cars and vans, I counted 5 command vehicles, was it a day out? What were the police doing, should there not have been some traffic management?
You cant shut Trafalgar square, it's the meeting point of too many major roads; better to let it flow so every other major road in the area doesn't become clogged.
No it isn't... this is a proportionate response to a fire in a large basement + ground floor requiring lots of oxygen cylinders (hence the number of pumps and OSUs) in a challenging location, posing the threat of smoke damage to underground facilities associated with downing street. You have 0 idea what you're talking about.
If it wasn't for the grenfell tower tradegy, the response would of been smaller. I think any building fire triggers a 8 pump repsone and a officer automatically, then more if a officer requests.
@@kevinwake8789 There are diplomatic missions near to the location of the fire (The Admiralty Pub); there's the South African High Commission, Ugandan High Commission and the High Commission of Canada in the United Kingdom. This will be why you saw the Met's PDPG van turn up, and most likely what elicited such a large response by all the crews who attended.
@@kevinwake8789 There are pre-determined attendances but none that require 8 pumps straight away, not for a pub certainly. Someone said basement fire so might be why made up to more pumps.
A great example of the pointlessness of the crazy 'battenburg' livery of fire trucks. For high conspicuity a vehicle needs one colour for the entire vehicle. The appliances are patches of red, yellow, black, and random signage that has the effect of breaking up the outline and appearance of the vehicle, making it less conspicuous. Synchronized flashing lights compound the problem. All that stands out is a patch of yellow moving through traffic, particularly in lower visibility conditions. We know that bright colours have temporal priority in the visual system (ie they are seen and registered first by the brain), but in patches drivers have to apply more mental effort to interpret the scene, establish distance and direction, assess action needed, then decide how to move. Is this a patch of yellow? Is it attached to something larger than itself? Is it a vehicle or a road sign? What is it? I better look carefully to try to figure it out. In dense traffic even worse where the whole scene is patches of random colours that are discontinuous and in constant motion.
Science doesn't agree. The pattern was a result of Police Scientific Development Branch research in the 1990's and of all the patterns trialled had the best overall results. Perfect? No, as no one scheme could be the best against every single aspect of the research outcome criteria, but still good. Red & Yellow isn't as good as blue & yellow in testing and the red background doesn't help, which is why for many years one Scottish Brigade pre nationalisation had white fire engines with red & yellow battenburg which worked better. In low light the material is high intensity reflective (not the cheap engineering grade) and is highly visible in vehicle headlights
Because there is more officers in the brigade than seats on an appliance - every department in the world carries senior officers in separate vehicles, the 'show-off' cars are paid for by the officers salary.
No. Private cars cannot have sirens and lights fitted. If you look at the number plates, they also have lights on the edges. These are fire brigade vehicles.
@@Backs4more You absolutely can have your private vehicle fitted with blue lights, response capable managers are used by all 3 services and have their private vehicles fitted with blue lights if they fit criteria.
@@Cherubrmy The vehicle is leased to/for that person via the organisation they work for and must be registered as an emergency vehicle. They must also be suitably trained. They can use that vehicle for day to day personal use, but it is not a “private vehicle”.
@@1122Schiedam still inefficient and in a city like london they should have a response force ON DUTY and pay them for that this solution is just... well poor
You're right of course. But it's part of the U.K. persona to over-react (particularly after a full morning playing ludo) except of course when criminal sentencing occurs, when everyone is forgiven and blessed.
What's up with all those unmarked vehicles? What's the policy / strategy behind this? Wouldn't like 3 to 5 marked and appropiately staffed cars suffice? It looks like every senior officer went for a field trip and not like a pre-planned response by one of the biggest fire departments in Europe. Also, are those privately owned vehicles? Or does LFB just posses about any make/type of vehicle?
@@MaH112 Each pumping appliance will have 4-6 people onboard, each officer will be by themselves. They are critical in managing the incident and all play a separate important role.
Where’s Those unmarked fire officer cars parked? Does the officer take the car home when he/she is off duty or are the cars parked at the station with the rest of the appliances? Just curious. Mega video btw
@@minidriversouthsweden5137 They aren't parked at Shoreditch; Only officers who are staying there (as it has sleeping quarters for officers who live far away) park there. The cars are officers personal vehicles so will go home with them, or wherever the officer stays.
