I feel like the autoaim on unerring is good enough to make it the new top pick, ultimately even on more stationary targets like supports you may end up missing a few bombs simply from having to aim projectiles or from the spread that the bombs start to have at a distance, so it’s basically a damage boosting talent. Not to mention that omnipresence is just as niche as unerring because you don’t really want to ambush to like half the roster either
Unerring was already seeing play at high level pre-nerf. Especially controller Vatu, so it's safe to say it's the best talent. Very consistent and the cooldown on bombs still gives you plenty of dashes. Only thing is that sometimes it will randomly do 100 per bomb instead of 200--even when sticking. Idk why but that's the only drawback
Told you before on another video. Me, a Vatu player in high diamond plus other even better Vatus started playing Unerring even before the Enveloping Shadows nerf. The consistency is worth it, and before the nerf I used to pick Unerring on hard Vatu games like against Sha-Io or Maeve-Cassie games, since you need the consistency and the extra range. I used to still go enveloping shadows against not so mobile or hard drafts like idk, Buck-Vik or something. Now, Unerring is probably better every time. Omnipresence is still below Enveloping Shadows imo. You'll see yourself barely taking advantage of it but hey, I was proven wrong with unerring before (I was an Unerring denier like Andrew until I saw its strengths first hand), maybe a dr+range on ambush build makes it work. PS: I kept watching the video and Andrew can't understand Unerring at all. He thinks you would pick Unerring when you're not a Vatu main? Bro, you can be the best Vatu in the world, you won't get close to the Bombs consistency with any of the other 2 talents over Unerring, and if you're playing Vatu at a high level against good players, not on casuals, you'll REQUIRE the consistency. It's easy to think you don't need it if you farm casuals with Vatu, but fight a Master Sha Lin and only hit a single bomb to him? Yeah, you're dead. Also, he thinks that you require 0 skill to hit the bombs which, even though you obviously need less than with the other talents, I feel like Andrew haven't tried them on a ranked game against mobile flanks. You still need to aim at it, it's not like a Saati coin shot, you have to aim at the flying Androxus for them to stick, they won't do 180 turns to stick to him, that's a misunderstanding. What it does is when you normally only hit one bomb with ES, you now hit 3 of them.
@@Dustin97y yeah. All Vatu decks require 2 cards, Dr on bombs and heal on dash. If you have those 2 at a high level, it's gonna be a good deck. I like extra health too and ambush range is good too. That probably won't change any time in the future.
I think unerring is definitely his best Talent, it gives vatu way mor range since it will just hit enemys and its very good in combination with the cd card when you hit shadow bombs.
"lower skill talent" implication on unerring is low key rude. No ammount t of skill would compensate you homming on long range shot or strafe escaping enemies like soaring away Evie
I feel like the omnipresence is more situational talent because you need to relay on your team to be on places you want to go to, sure it is good if you duo with someone who will follow you and help you use your ambush to full potential but still when you play vatu you want to be able to solo execute anyone standing on your way
I don't think you're considering the poke potential of unerring. Throwing around corners to get sneaky damage while safe is something you just can't do with omni. I use it to scout enemy locations too. Plus, as a dive heavy character, the extra ambush charge doesn't always give you mobility when it matters. You ambush a kinessa or a support, burst them down and then what? You dash out like normal or you use another ambush into the enemy team who is now aware of your position. And if you're dashing out like normal, then what's the point of the third ambush charge if you never even used the second? If omni unlinked ambush similar to Darth stalker then maybe I'd agree with your take that it's objectively better but as things are it comes down to playstyle moreso than skill level. I'd say that being able to dash to your teammates is the biggest benefit of omni, but if you're behind the enemy then your team is either behind the enemy and therefore untargetable, or too far away to be in range. It's just a lot more situational than you let on
I feel like i have to mention something that i dont see when you are playing vatu. You can actually put work in your normal shots to get more range and dmg. What i mean by that is that the spread of vatu's shots gets a lot more tight if you flick from right to left every time you want to hit somebody. This makes it so that you can hit 3 kunai in most situations and even on long range more than 1 kunai. I use it all the time and its a big upgrade to his dmg.
One thing I like about unerring is because the bombs home on people, you can throw them around corners in order to finish off low hp targets without putting yourself at risk trying to pursue them.
they should allow the CD redux for each kunay hitting an enemy... that would balance the CD nerf... and make it still viable for skill flick throw. as you could get 30% every 3sec
Dawg I was using unerring before the nerf, just because I had to get Vatu to level 8 on two of my burner accounts. I used to think unerring sucked, until I had to play a bunch of games with it. And dude let me tell ya, dogfighting other mobility characters is twice as easy, and the combo gets WAY more consistent against mobile characters. It was so impactful in the games I tested, I started maining that talent against any comp with hyper mobile characters, and it was a dream.
I think we need a new talent for vatu where he finally uses his katanas (which are present on a lot of his loadout cards), in which form? Idk, maybe a new primary attack that is more precise a medium range but slower fire rate. Whatever it is but something that is more consistent that Enveloping Shadows
About half the time I pick Omnipresence as his talent, it glitches out halfway through the game and isntead of 2 Ambushes I get no Ambushes =/ or it just defaults back down to the 1 and it only sort of works. Honestly I get frustrated at the amount of times I'm hitting Q and it's visible as an option on a character to Ambush them but it just... doesn't seem to activate. It's like you have to press it multiple times over the span of an entire second or two to actually get it to work, it's the only reason I pick Contemplation over Omnipresence because I like the idea of using ambush on allies for the escape/peel opportunity it would give... IF it actually worked consistently. It makes me feel like I'm playing Imani all over again x_x.
Hey! im former Gm (im washed as all holy hell now since i havent played for about 6 or 8 months now due to lack of enjoyment playing this game) but i may be coming back i just wanted to give my opinions ambush is clunky and bugged often times canceling itself or just straight up breaking the game causing you to glitch through shit, in general making smart use of cover and dashes is alot better than ambush. Alot of people switched to unerring before nerfs including myself. This is because of intensive movement we can focus more on movement and positioning instead of focusing on pure aim. I think unerring is far far far better but heres the truth every talent on him is viable except for envoloping shadows now. kis kit is so strong that honestly even without a talent hes still one of if not the best flanker in the game and has alot of utility he can poke from a distance just shoot and asoon as you click shoot flick from left to right all your pelets will have a tighter spread. play high ground vatus strongest power is his amaing mobility allowing you to pick fights intstead of fighting someone you CANNOT win against. or win fights with movement theres dive vatu and aggressive vatu dive players play height and poke people diving when theyre killable either low or retreating etsuuu i think it was. is a great example but most people use vatu as a pure aggression powerhouse play cover and use movement to take 1 on 1s to win alot of fights. the latter is the significantly harder way to play. but if you play a bit of both that will get you the best resaults. thats all the info i can give that can be of any real use. i know there will be some that say "yeah gm liar or whatever" but im not hear saying that to get you to think im good. i saying it so people will read my advice and my opinion i want others to enjoy vatu and actually like the game PS dont take improving too seriously if you do youll hate the game and lose any joy like i did just have fun and youll improve. i hope you all have an amazing week!
Funny as someone whos still pretty new, I looked at Vatu's talents just the other day and thought the 3 second cooldown made sense otherwise it would be really strong lol
no, it was quite balanced, just instead of strengthening 2 worse talents, they decided to worsen 1 stronger one, because the logic of the developers looks like this: If one talent is played more than another, then it is too strong.... but theirs the dull brain doesn’t think about the fact that if they don’t use the other 2 talents, it means that they are bad.
Don't listen to the other guy. Enveloping Shadows was strong enough that getting the other 2 champions up to level would've been even sillier. I don't particularly agree with the nerf but buffing the other talents would've made Vatu ban or pick even more. Now, let me surprise you even more. Vatu did 300 per kunai when he first came out, this plus 15% cooldown reduction on Enveloping Shadows. That Vatu was one of the most broken champions ever. I still remember how I once killed a Barik full hp and ran away with the whole team right there. Too much dmg+Mobility, those were some great but dark times haha
@@MarrrrleyWhat's so surprising about that? If you think about it like that, then the sha lin can throw creeple at you, and then q, and the flanker is dead
@@kotkotan353 umm, what does that have to do with anything? That's true with or without nerf. What's your point? Edit: Oh I see. No, I was talking to the main post. Since they're a new guy, I wanted to tell them how Vatu was even more broken before
