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I see Gary Lachman, I click. 👍 That first trichotomy of personality types he mentions also appears in Colin Wilson's The Outsider, providing the key chapter on Lawrence, Njinsky, and Van Gogh.
I also became interested in Gurdjieff after reading Colin Wilson's book, "The Occult" in my 20s (this would have been in the early 1980s). Around the same time I first encountered Nicoll's name in EF Schumacher's book, "Guide for the Perplexed". Subsequent to this I started reading Ouspensky and the first volume of Nicoll's, "Psychological Commentaries". This latter was interesting because it was a methodical survey. I then contacted a Gurdjieff group, because I was interested in joining. I will never forget speaking to the young lady and being creeped out. I suppose she was "self-remembering" throughout the conversation, but paradoxically, I felt like I was talking to a robot. That was the end of that. I know that I am generalizing but over the years my impression of many of its followers is that they come from the strain of New Agers who want to slavishly believe in something. I will admit that the notion that "man is a machine, and that he is not awake" is compelling and contains no small amount of truth. My problem with it all is that it places too much emphasis on the "heroic ego". It recognizes that there are "many I's" but it looks at them as pathological and that they must be reeled in under the Self. Nicoll's interpretation of the biblical parables seems stilted and seems to want to interpret them all from the perspective of a Gurdjieffian world view. My take away is to stay away from any system such as this. Yes, take into account that "man is a machine" and that attention is very important as is introducing some form of chaos to break up habitual thinking.
The two most important words I've ever read; "remember yourself" - IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS , Ouspensky Gurjieff instructs Ouspensky to do this exercise, Ouspensky finds it takes years to do it without constantly forgetting (as it did me!)
Cheers! I've been happily waiting for this book and interview. Gary Lachman is the best researcher to shine a light on Nicoll, whose Psychological Commentaries enabled me to grasp the Fourth Way teaching.
Gary is amazing and I became a fan when I saw and bought his lecture about Jung in Amazon Prime video and listen to it a lot plus the imagery is great.
@@GaryLachman Mr. Lachman: It may be of interest to you, that I subsequently learned the source of Gurdjieff's teaching about the "positive emotions of the HEC", which for some reason he did not transmit to his students. Both Orage and Ouspensky complained about that. It's the "lataif" of Sufism -- Wikipedia has a good article about it . . .
Monty Python is gods own humor, therefore I purchased a Nicoll book 😂❤ if the court-jester of the universe John Cleese reads it that’s all I need to know. I loved this talk, it was so very human. I’m not used to understanding in this way. But I’m warming up to it. It has its charms. If you want weird, I’m your man and woman. ❤
wow. 1915 Saint Petersburg … with a 1917 departure. that’s the same timeline as Mathilde Kschessinska 😳💘 i am suddenly much more interested in hearing more about The Fourth Way, and in reading this book. i am not all that far into the interview yet, but so far it is Top-Shelf. thanks for another great interview, Jeffrey + Gary. 💙💚
that Observatory sounds really cool 🥹✨🪐✨ and it sounds more like a toy for Guirdeff, not the cornerstone for an Institution. i too vote yes on the observatory and no on the church building! i wish he had built it so i could visit it…
Gary relates these histories with commendable fidelity and discrimination, in my opinion. One small detail about the car crash -- some days earlier, a student at the Prieure was asked by G to take the Citroën to town for a safety inspection, and to pay particular attention to the steering components. So, like other notable people in the Work, he may well have had a premonition about it. As for anyone who has faced these questions honestly, the potential for progress is at the same time evident and yet dismayingly elusive. Or rather, progress is not something to be kept or relied on, but improved. The potency for that seems to be what sets G apart from most of his followers. But readers of Beelzebub's Tales will find there plenty of material for practice.
“Multiple experiments with spirit contact transmitted the name Matthew Edward Hall on several occasions. I predict this to be a very important future individual in humanities development. Possibly the second embodiment of Christ on Earth.” G.I. Gurdjieff Gentlemen, are either of you familiar with this quote from G ?
@@GaryLachman apocryphal=Of questionable authorship or authenticity. Erroneous; fictitious. So you are saying the book is fiction, not true. Any proof that is written by Idries Shah? The book basically says that Gurjieff was trained by the Sufis as an experiment to bring it to the West, and the Gurdjieff's teaching has no successors. Those claiming to represent Gurdjieff's teaching are not in the real lineage. Best to look elsewhere, is my understanding.
Can anyone confirm here that Gurdjieff once spent time incarcerated on Rikers Island? And if this is the case, have any of his students subsequently attempted to gain access to records of his time there?
I hear you. I only asked because I recall reading about this peculiar titbit back in the 90s (possibly in James Webb's Harmonious Circle) and it has subsequently stuck in my mind. I mean, imagine being the cellmate who ended up sharing a bunk bed with Gurdjieff.
Wow, was very much into this until time stamp 14:30ish when guest so arrogantly assumes writers from any lineage posses polite political comforts so as to speak freely. Shameful