Man I wish this video was out before my Whistler trip a few years ago. I was the “Exo” guy who got 5 flats in a day, then went to one of the shops and the guy set me up on a DH casing. Problem immediately solved!
So a heads up to all as I found out this week maxxis has changed their exo+ to a single tough 60tpi casing, exo sidewalls and butyl inserts at the bead. Supposedly it’s more durable, better puncture resistance and better pinch flat resistance than orig exo+. Maxxis just kind of stealthily changed this but it’s in their tech section now.
Late last season I started munching EXOs, torn knob on an Assegai and torn knob + split sidewall on a Dissector. New bike came with EXO+, and have been running EXO+ Assegai/DHR2 this season, only flat was last week, sniper rock off a 3ft drop at the bike park, dented the rim which tore a hole in the sidewall of the DHR, but small enough that I was able to throw in a tube. Pretty impressed with the EXO+ so far, and I've done a fair bit of park riding on them this year.
Don't doubt lighter casings like exo...which pretty much everyone rode 5 years ago. I've torn most casings and come to realize it is sometimes the rock and not the tire!
@@DavePreissl I’m going to give the Dissector a go for the 1st time. Have been riding DHR2 in the rear for the last 3 years. The Dissectors sound perfect for my riding style.
I’m curious what you rode prior that you think the rolling speed is good with the dhr2 and dhf. I’m riding the same combo due to downhill performance but they have A LOT of rolling resistance imho.
@@mxbigd17 that is a great combo, ran that for a while but the dhr2 on the front was a dh casing max gripp. Corned like it was on rails. Also feels better than the assegai on most stuff except loose stuff
Makes sense....when I started mountain biking 2 years ago up until just recently, I hardly ever got flats(running exo's)...then something clicked and I started riding a lot more aggressive, earlier today I got a pinch flat on Bomb Dog @ Coldwater Trails in Anniston(shout out)...i think i need to upgrade too the doubly downers. Perfect timing on this video guy, thanks for the laughs also😂🤙
Thinking of going with the double down casing for my hardtail since I want a smoother ride over the rough stuff and I always land sideways like an idiot!
One thing to note is puncture resistance in the tread (i.e. the top section with knobs) vs the sidewall, this comes into play If you live somewhere with sharp rocks (i.e. slate). EXO has almost 0 tread puncture resistance, and EXO+ has noticeably more, both DD and DH unsurprisingly strong here too. If you are upgrading because you are getting flats, but notice they are all slashes in the tread, and not in the sidewall, AND you care about weight then EXO+ might be a good option for you!
To add I have DH casing Maxxis tires that have a wire bead vs. A foldable bead which makes it burlier and heavier. I thought all DH grade tires were wire bead but looks like the one you showcased is definitely foldable! Great info here!
OK!! *Thank you* now I finally "get it" when it comes to Maxxis tires. There's enough to confuse me already when trying to choose the best rear front tires--AS IT IS--but the casing etc confused me even more. Well thanks to you guys I think I have this aspect of it figured out. Great vid and easy to understand. ~JSV
My front tyre is 29x3.0 DHR EXO and it has thinner sidewalls but make up for it in sheer size, but nice weight save with just EXO. Rear is 27.5x2.80 and is EXO+ and is subjected to more weight from my quite considerable posterior, so that is fine with a little heavier and durable side walls.
Thanks guys...great vid as per usual! I guess tire inserts kinda changes everything. I ride EXO tires with Tannus Armour inserts over some real rocky terrain and so far so good. Think I'll try DD's with inserts next though.
170lb rider (without gear) and I ride exo on my front tire but I also run higher tire pressures. Never had a puncture with it. 28-30psi for park Riding on a boxxer.
Same here, between psi, line choice, and flowing bike through terrain there should be no problem. People ripping and busting tires are low PSI and ripping through like a freight train.
thank you for the video. just wish it would’ve been posted earlier because i just bought new tires 3 days ago not knowing the difference and realizing that i bought exos😢. now i know for next time.
Heck yea we can! In fact, we already have! Here's a link to it 😎 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yNpvK_FD87o.html&ab_channel=TheLostCo. -Tor
Make sure it's mounted correctly first. My local were able to save a pair I both at the same time thinking they were both duff. Turns out a better clean around the sidewall of the rim & the silicone spray trick got them both on perfectly true.
I wonder if you guys could do an update about the new EXO+ Sidewall that Maxxis introduced in an running change. I wonder how the compare to the DD, or to the old EXO+.
I am not concerned with weight, so I went with the DH. I do not ride down hill trails, but wanted the toughest tire as to not worry about flats. Getting ready to mount these new tires tomorrow and will ride them Sat morning. I am coming off of Continental Vetical tires that I love. Feeling the Maxxis tires will be great.
The good news is that they'll wear out and then you can try something else out! Also it's not like EXO tires aren't rideable, they still have the same tread on them but you do have to be a little bit more careful in corners and gnarly sections of trail. -Tor
That sounds a lot like you're using stans sealant. Use something stickier, which does not tend to split its solid from its liquid phase. My best experience is with inexpensive Italian made "barbieri" sealant. That stuff turns into a real rubber-like layer, and even permanently seals the thinnest XC-peals like Contis RaceSport casings.
I have had to use 2x the recommended Orange sealant to stop my Maxxis Ramblers leaking from the walls (soapy water showed the pinholes everywhere - bead was perfect). It’s not a sealant issue, its very porous sidewalls. Not that TR without serious conditioning. BTW, my less than stellar review on their website disappeared - LOL at their marketing to get a 4.8 review average.
Hi guys great vid by the way, always impressed ; now I have a cunundrum ; Santa Cruz e- bike the "Bullit " as you know comes with a Double D as standard ; i know it has DD for the aggressive nature the bike is intended for ; BUT in your opinion would you be alright to put say EXO + on front & rear for quicker rotational weight saving nearly 500 grams or keep say DD on the rear & Exo + on the front so having the best protection for were the weight is on the back ! Your thoughts !!! 👌😎🚵🌲🌲🚵🚵🌲🌲
If you're riding around town the bike will feel more powerful and better handling, but off road I'd go the heavier tyres. My Merida e160 has the standard light front Assegai but I changed to a heavy casing Eddy Current after the first pinch flat. Punctures suck.
Good video! I"d be curius to include cuchcorr end heavy weight bike. Like e-enduro. Into the equation of side wall discution. Do you guys run cushcorr? What type of sidewall you run witch cushcore?
*Good, both understand the subject but they must be more synthetic, summarized, it can be explained in half the words or time, talking a lot when it is a subject of many who are not informed creates more confusion, sorry but it is my way of see it, not all RYDERS understand the same way, nor do they have the same experience or possibilities to change or try all the versions in this case the line by categories that it brings, produces MAXXIS. THANK YOU anyway, for your talk when watching the video helped me with my previous analysis. Bike Tips with Alejandro Diaz* .
I was running Assegai DD and Aggressor DD on my Bronson with Rimpact protections and my bike was way too heavy for me and the trails I typically ride. Just switched to DHF and DHR2 tan walls with EXO protection and I feel the difference in weight. Why are the DD and DH tires so hard to install? I have broken a bunch of tire levers with those tires!
There is definitely some difference in weight, which is also why they are challenging to install. The sidewalls are much stronger and therefore harder to stretch over the rim.
Surprised y'all did NOT go in more details about the actual weight of the tires. You have the tires right in front of you, be nice if you weighed them for us. From my measurements, a Maxxis 27.5 2.5 EXO tire is about 1030 grams on average and the same DD tire is is about 1230 grams. That is ~200 gram weight penalty per tire, which is HUGE! 400 grams is almost a pound and you do feel that 1 extra pound on a long trail rides. For every 50 minutes we spend riding uphill, on average we only get 5 minutes of downhilling. So for me the extra weight of DD tire is NOT worth it for a pedaling bike. If we do NOT have a dedicated park bike. I think the better option is just to have a dedicated wheelset with 2-ply DH tires for Park Days. I have a dedicated DH bike with DH tires, but I also ride my Bronson with EXO casing often at the Ski Lifted Bike Park. I have had only 1 flat with the Bronson-EXO and that is because I was running tire pressure too low (22 lbs in the rear). However, I have also flatted and sliced a DD tire before when running too low psi, side wall got squished down too much and stuck out too far and got cut, so I am NOT sure how much extra protection and extra support DD has to offer. For me, I would go DH Casing for a Park Bike and EXO for a Pedaling Bike. I have never gotten a flat on my Bronson with EXO at the Ski-Lifted Bike Parks if I run 27 lbs or higher for both tires (I am 160 lbs naked). I am not super fast, but I do ride blacks and double-blacks so my risk for flats are there. For these blacks we have to keep your momentum to make it down safetly so it is NOT like I am crawling either. I really want to run lower pressure because I just ride better when tire is around 20 psi. When my tires are at 27 psi the bike is less forgiving, so going to try Cushcore XC in my Bronson-EXO to see how they do when I run lower pressure. I do run low pressure on my DH bike because I have cushcore pro and 2-ply tires on my DH bike and do NOT have any problems here. Cool thing about cushcore pro is you can still make it down the mtn with a flat tire, no stopping needed.
Thanks for a great explanation of the puncture resistance and robustness of the tires. Will the softer and more fragile EXO & EXO+ provide more grip in wet and slippery conditions compared to the DD & DH casing?
Since EXO, EXO+, etc are sidewalls (and therefore making less contact with the ground) it will make less of a difference grip. If you are curious about grip, focus on the compounds Maxxis provides; MaxxTerra and MaxxGrip. We are currently working on a video explaining compounds, so stay tuned!
This is a big help than you. I’m nearly 250lbs and run 27.5 x 2.8 tyres. Which casing would you recommend? Also can you get the assegai in a plus size? Thanks
Awesome video. I currently have Dissector in Front and Rekon in the back, both EXO.... My weight is 195 lbs I guess an EXO+ is good in the front but I should get a DD in the back ? I was thinking going Assegai in front and DHR2 in the back. (I wanted to get DHF in Front and Dissector in the back.. but I wanted to lower the pressure of my tire this year and maybe with an EXO, I'll get more flat if I do this... but 20-22 PSI in my Rekon, I felt I had no grip all summer long... I was rolling super fast with that combo but put some rain or mud... I was killing myself loosing too much energy on the climb... and didn't felt confortable going down.... I always felt I was this close to loose control of the bike all the time.
Most of us around the shop prefer a DD rear tire in most cases. Of course, it somewhat depends on riding style and conditions, but a DD rear tire is a fairly safe bet. If you would like to chat more, shoot us an email, give us a call, or reach out on our live chat! (360) 306-8827 // sales@thelostco.com
I had a pair of rekons with exo+ and they could not hang with the rock gardens (Florida trails). After two months of riding the side walls started leaking. How much tougher is their did casing. Before that I ran schwalbe magic Mary and hansdamf for 8 months and ran them hard with out issue.
Quick question: I live in the Philippines, its an South East Asian country. We have 2 kinds of Maxxis tires, 1st with packing and with no packing. They are both same (120 TPI EXO TR 3C Max Speed) With packaging and 2nd without. Its just the price. With packaging its like $35-40 each(1pc tire)and the ones without packaging is priced less than half like below $20 each. Which should I buy? The ones without packaging makes me think like "Well we live in Asia and there are alot of fake products here Made in China" Lol
Get the packaging one kptd. In fact, if you can have your relatives ship tires from US directly or bring it with them in Balikbayan box, that is probably your best bet. You can reimburse them for shipping with lumpia etc. just kidding. No but the non-packaging ones possibly could be fake or refurbished, used, etc.