May's Pregnancy Revelation | The Age of Innocence (Daniel Day-Lewis, Winona Ryder) 

Funny how people always forget that part.

No kidding!! As if getting pregnant in the context of marriage is breaking the law! The only one who trapped anyone was him trapping everyone around him in his web of indecisiveness, selfishness and lies!

Exactly

Yeah he was having sex with her without protection

May was straight up savage

Quedarse con alguien que no la amaba? Para la época es juego ganado pero igualmente triste.

@@miriamponlatetera4611 In those days divorce was unheard of...A Tabu! Countless wives stayed in loveless marriages. In some parts of the world this still goes on...even to this day! And keep in mind, this is a period piece film... Status, Wealth, & Position in Society ruled the day...Archer understood this! That is why even when May gave him an out, he still chose to marry her.

May was in fact intelligent and wise enough to see and accept how the world was for women at that time. She knew the 'score' for women of her era and class and good for her for saving her husband from his lunacy. Second, how would any of us react? Back then even May's fortune went to her husband's bank account. It wasn't just May, it was her mother who moved in and was dependent on Archer's protection as he was the man of the house.

​​​​​@@dianecrow6068I don't think anything will really ever change for women. Over 70% of women who end up divorced end up living under the poverty level for the rest of their lives unless they re-marry. (The chances of the second marriage working out is half that of the first.) The reason for this is that women get pregnant (which limits our employment options), and (naturally) women choose to stay with their children. This takes years of work experience away from them that they can never get back. Women are also less assertive and commanding than men. We are more agreeable and warm. This is excellent to nurture children, but it doesn't lead to job promotion. The only thing women can ever do is either become a man in the patriarchal system or play the wife in the game and just ask for the rules to be more fair, which is to ask men not to act like the dirt bag in this film. Men need to love, understand, protect, and nurture their wives. I feel like that's a short order compared to the crap we have to put up with being domineered over, and constantly having our livlihood at stake just because we want to love, protect and teach our children. I have more statistics to talk about, but this is long enough.

Me too. At 75 I realize how precious marriage should be.

Yeah, I think May would have been socially ruined by a divorce especially under those circumstances..And at her age it would have been a total waste. It was so selfish of him, after he had married her.

IKR!

​@@d2d2d3d3very selfish indeed considering he rushed all the way down to Florida where they were summering to convince May to convince Grannie Mingott to speed up the engagement/engagement announcement.

I also felt that Newland and Ellen should be together when I was younger. Now I see him as a jerk toward May. And also, it seemed Ellen kind of encouraged the relationship with Newland but I realize she was a different sort of woman, ahead of her time really, highly intelligent and she and Newland thought along the same lines so I understood it, but he had the chance to call it off with May because she gave him that door - but he’s the one who wanted to get married sooner. Time makes me look at this in a completely different light. Newland didn’t have much in common with May, so he did her wrong on so many levels. At least Ellen closes the door on Newland as this scene shows. I do want to add that Newland did the right thing at the end of this film when he does not go up with his son to see Ellen all those years later. I think it was out of respect for May that he doesn’t. Years ago, I didn’t understand why he walked away, but now I see it was the one decent thing he did.

When Archer was asking May who else knew she was pregnant AND then realized that his wife had discussed her (probably at that time, that she was ... possibly...) pregnant with Ellen before she "knew for sure" ... *I thought for a split second that* *he was going to snap her neck!* (It's Scorsese 😁) But I had read the book so, I knew that he would not do so --- But the way the scene was acted

When did he fantasize that she'd die?

@@kleeamd8274 at one of their dinners, he says to himself "Maybe she'll die?"

Well, she could have stole one but she get caught like the time she was caught stealing from a store

@@nonoyaya3884 People who have done worse still get nominated.

Mine too!

What book plz?

@@josefinagarza241 The movie is based on the book by the same name which is in the title of this video.

I love that description. This movie is phenomenal

We watched this in film class and back then I didn't understand how it's "violent". Now that I'm older, I finally get it.

lol”😂

Back then, you were sure to bump into other rich aristocrats that you would be forced to socialize with if you went to Europe. If you truly wanted to be left alone you’d have to go farther away to Asia.

He wasn't lost, he was in love with another woman and wanted to get away from his wife and shack up with her in Paris.

@@kaizma88 face your wife with truth instead of running away to Japan 🤣

You forget Africa and Costa Rica or other parts of Latin America.

Both "beta" males, but as we see in this movie, they are so convinced they are... princes.

More than 3 - Diana was apparently referring to her kids' nanny

Yes I totally agree.

@@nicoleackerman205 I’m an older lady. Though I use a computer etc., I have no idea 🤷‍♀️ how to put the 3 images of them together. I guess I am not alone thinking they would look like triplets!

@@kittykatz4001 open a document and right click on image, choose "copy image" then pasted on the document. There are other better ways but this will get the job done. Not all images allow you to copy them so find one that does.

@@kittykatz4001 I never seen them in images next to each other I just thought even as a child that they looked like each other. When we watch The Curuible in 11th grade English some boy in the class said when we first saw Wynona character said Keira Knightley is in this move.

Keira was Natalee’s stand in on the Star Wars movies.

Thats what people do now, and everyone is still miserable.

​@@marianagastelum6051For different reasons, the system changed but humans are humans

Yeah, that is today's society. Everyone is even more miserable.

@@meghanodonoghue9066 Unhappy? Compared to what? Today no one is forced to marry someone and stay married to that person. Women are legally independent people. This can only be a bad joke.

HE is the predator. May gave him the option to cancel the engagement from the start and yet he rushed her to marry him! So he entrapped himself in his own poor choices and she’s not about to be left in the dust just because “we should just boink whoever we want” all of a sudden. I say definitely secure the bag, ladies and beat these trifling men in their own sick game!

Very true about Beaufort. But he was bad with other peoples money.

Yes ❤

This was in 1993, The Crucible was in 1996.

This movie came out in 1993...crucible in 1996 .

Yes, 1993. Should have been nominated for best picture and director at the Oscars.

He was phenomenal in The Crucible.

Give it another try. The more I learned about the time period and the other characters, the more complex the story is. On one level, it's pretty simple as it is about a man who realizes he married the perfect woman but not his soul mate. On the other hand it's the story of an observant wife who knew how to pull in her allies and quietly handle the situation before it became out of control. In that era when men held all the power, we see the subtle power of the women.

Thank you. I will consider that, because I really WANTED to like it. Take care.

@@steveandme63 I don't really understand Ellens situation - could you kindly give me some clues? I don't understand why she came to US, why she couldn't adapt, how the society saw her,? which options did she have after the divorce? did she make any mistakes in behavior or judgement? thank you

@desclavia It's been quite a while since I read the book, but here goes: Cousin Ellen's parents were considered 'eccentric' and raised her to be more free spirited than her tightly laced extended family and social peers. They allowed her a broader education, and she was even allowed to wear like a dark color to her coming out ball (or something equally scandalous). Anyway, she amd her family ended up in Europe among like-minded wealthy expats. She met and married a count. Quite a coup for her, but he actually was of a despicable character or at least became so. Abuse is hinted at but not necessarily defined. It was bad enough, his private secretary helped her escape him and get back to the states and the safe harbor of her family. She wants a divorce so she can begin a new life, but that is too scandalous for the family to consider. The count wants her back, if just to play hostess to his wild excesses (whatever that means). The family will make sure she is financially secure as long as she doesn't divorce and plays by their rules. So as long as she doesn't divorce she has a couple of options: go back to the cad or be smothered by her family. However, her freedom and autonomy are not a choice as she is financially unstable. If Archer were brave enough, he would toss everything aside, take her and go abroad. He isn't and remains trapped in the perfect marriage to the perfect wife in a picture-perfect world. Pining for his soul mate, Ellen, and what could have been, but resigned to his fate. Ellen has chosen to live the rest of her life alone in Paris by the grace and largesse of Granny Mingot (who was quite a radical herself for her time). That's what I remember of the story. A very beautiful story of unrequited love amongst the very wealthy. So heavy the rigours of money and society. 😏( If only to be cursed with such a burden!)

@@steveandme63 wow, thank you so much for thé explanation. I really love this movie, but thanks to you, I understand it much better now. I wish you a lovely day, greetings

She hit him like a freight train. Basically she said I'm not as dumb as you think I am. 😊

Part of the whole point is how stupidly blind he was, everyone could see through him and he thought he was so special and clever.

When you read the book it hits different.

He, on the other hand, manipulated her to get married even earlier. She gave him a way out earlier in the film by offering to break an engagement (which would still be shameful in their society, but not as bad as a divorce). Now that she's married and her life is reliant on her husband, HE wants to be free? He should have taken the opportunity to break the engagement but he was Newland was always weak-willed.

Is that all you saw??? Didn’t you remember when she asked him after he was kissing her passionately, “Is there someone else…” and gave him the option to cancel the engagement, he was the one who kept rushing her to marry him! He is the manipulator in this story, NOT her!

@@a.m.308agreed. Bastards will be bastards in any era and in any suit.

@@a.m.308 She risked a little, and she won 😄

Did you miss the scene when she tried to give him his freedom before they married. She suspected his affair and told him directly she didn't want to be a third wheel. He refused to let her go, and swore he was committed

@@christinajudge3251 so he's awful too and they deserve each other. I remember that scene and she seemed to be manipulative like suspecting something and trying to get confirmation. Shes a player, not authentic

he's effing spineless!

@@Alice-ts3vlshe just wanted to keep her husband, nothing manipulative about it.

She did absolutely nothing wrong.