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@@jswets5007there have been video clips before on the channel of tai chi guys getting their butts kicked. Maybe you are remembering one of them? Or, maybe you are remembering a video from Fight Commentary Breakdowns and got it mixed up with McDojo Life. Memory can be faulty even in the best of us humans. At first I thought we had seen this guy before as well, but after watching the video I realized he was a different guy
Anyone with eyes can see that Peter was humouring the old man. That's how a fun uncle play-boxes with his six year old nephews or nieces, not how an experienced MMA competitor fights in a real contest against an equal.
The people who fall for fake fantasy martial arts are either gullible or have been groomed into believing it's all real. So no sadly, people will see that and think it's real.
im glad you included that statement from the school he was pretending to represent, because in my experience most tai chi people practice for health and they think people like him are ridiculous
There are millions of people studying martial arts all over the world. Most of them don't have fight experience. There's nothing wrong with studying a martial arts for its culture and its traditions. And the health benefits. I would still call them martial artist.
Well, by all means you can call them whatever you want but people like that (me included) are students of martial arts or scholars even when work on it seriously enough, no martial artists, to be a martial artists a person need to be competent at one or more real combat proven fighting style, everything else is wishful thinking.
@Thesavagesouls Well, that's not true. Because in no time in human history. Did people fight with an armed combat karate ,jujitsu Etc. And all forms of Unarmed. combat are all sport. And the martial art stems from the martial tradition. That would include marching band Which stems from a martial tradition Of cadence walking And formation.
@@manuelzapata1192 Dude are you on drugs ? Art martial was created for fighting the tyrannic government back in time. Their purpose are everything except sport. The martial tradition himself is an art of war to begin. Nobody back in time was training in martial art for friendship competition and nobody in the army right now train his martial art for sport purpose
I love this guy 😂. Dude thinks he's in a movie. In an interview he claims he lost that fight because someone poisoned him or something. Even the interviewer couldn't believe what he was saying
Never knew that existed until now, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention. Absolutely brilliant, and no doubt inspired Monty Python to an extent.
Martial arts can be more art or more martial. The art side has its own merits, but the problem comes when practitioners think the art is more martial than it is.
Great video, Rob! Something else to add is that Ma Baoguo has leaned into his own appeal so much that he's even started moving onto RU-vid! I will predict that within the next six months, he's going to have a hit video from his RU-vid channel that will get into a lot of us martial arts fans' feeds. I would like to think that at this point, he knows he can't fight and just is in this for the fun of it, but we never know with bullshido people.
Tai chi is actually amazing for longevity, it helps elders maintain balance threw excuses and falling as an elderly person alot of times lead to death threw health complications after wards , i would never ever disrespect actual tai chi , its beautiful
@@wissawissa83depends, I’ve seen good Tai Chi ‘push hand’ matches that look a lot like wrestling - big misconception that it’s used for striking but it’s actually grappling 🤯
Yes, there's nothing else like LEGIT Taiji (Tai Chi) for health, flexibility, and general well-being. In 40 years, I've formally studied almost 20 different marital arts, also Qigong and Yoga, but nothing compares. I sincerely hope people don't dismiss it on the basis of clowns like Ma Baoguo.
@@Cigarbawz Traditional Taijiquan (Tai Chi) has 5 types of defense that include 1. punch/elbow/shoulder 2. kick, knee, hip, 3. join locks, 4. throws/grappling, and 5. neijin/internal techniques. If you want to use Taiji as a genuine martial art, need to know all 5.
@@wissawissa83 actually Ramsey Dewey has said he has used Tai Chi techniques in MMA successfully (success being they worked as intended). There is definitely combat application, but sadly very few actually train it.
as far as i can tell, that was a real fight. the real secret power of chi manifestation is how it disorients the opponent and saps their mind of any learned fighting skills once they engage. that MMA guy was just helpless against the master. lucky for him, the master showed mercy. EDIT: and that match where he was KO'd, he was clearly poisoned with black lotus prior to the fight. for those who don't know, black lotus can kill a normal civilian, but for a chi master like Master Ma Baoguo, it will rob him of his accumulated life force energy, leavng him impotent and uncoordinated. and that's exactly what happened.
I have been training in a variety of martial arts for 30 years now (started when I was 5). I have had a grand total of 0 professional fights, because it is not something that appealed to me. I do make sure I pressure test my techniques before I teach them, and I adapt as I learn more from those more experienced than I am. I have also learned from masters who also have no professional fights under their belt, as well as some who do. I feel that if what you have to offer is effective and you can teach it in a respectful manner, then yes, martial artists should be respected even without combat experience.
If you want to learn how to fight, one of the very first things you should learn is what to do when someone throws a punch at you. A simple straight punch with little to no setup should NOT be your kryptonite. If you can't handle someone throwing a punch at you, you don't know how to fight. Simple as
Well,I have been training/teaching Kali/JKD concepts since 1977 and I have never killed anyone with a knife or stick. I am quite sure I could if I had to though. Some of my students have used what I taught them (in war). Using Kali as an example, many of the techniques were improvised, developed and then tested on the battle field. They exist because they worked and made it home to be passed down. I suspect this is true for other arts as well…
I think if we are talking about martial arts, they might have have roots in war, but they may not necessarily be about making someone into a fighter. There could be any number of possible purposes for a martial art, culture, Spirituality, a Philosophy (though in my opinion this is over rated. If you want to learn philosophy, the place to start is by reading the great philosophers, in this context, Confucius, Mencius, Lao Tzu, Han Tzu, Sun Tzun, and looking for good discussions of these philosophers, not with a martial art), exercise/sport, aesthetics, and of course, self defense and practical fighting skills. The thing is, self defense or practical skill is only one possible among many and is not an essential quality of a martial art. Or another words, you can have a genuine martial art that doesn't involve learning self defense or practical fighting skills, and that is perfectly ok.
The issue is that nearly all BS martial arts were at one point based on what worked but throughout generations the application was lost and the teachings devolved into woo.
Amazing video! Love when you make these videos(I know it takes a ton of effort) … Martial Artist must be prepare for fight even if it never happens (which is the final goal)
I agree I mean you don't have to be a real living breathing person to inspire you can be just a made-up character like the ones you mentioned turtles they're my favorites some of my favorites dragon Ball z Superman DC in general they are all very inspiring fighting against evil for the better of mankind Marvel and the list goes on and on
Early in my career, our company had some elderly Chinese clients who occasionally traveled with us to remote jobs sites. Every morning, they would go to the hotel parking lot in rural east Texas and practice Tai chi. It was pretty impressive for 60 and 70+ year old men. Now that I am nearly 60, I definitely have respect for them.
AotD: I’m a martial artist that works primarily with swords. Iaido is for precision and accuracy, and kendo is for that combative situation. But the truth is, no one is going around hitting people with swords anymore. So why I-and other students-train with them? What makes us want to be swordsmen? I think we all have those fictional influences, but as we progress, we find our own real world influences. Combat is part of martial arts. Even games with rules give us that feeling of striving to be better. It’s important to remember why we train though. As a swordsman, I’m not going to keep a sword with me at all times. But that just means I have to use the other skills I’ve acquired to protect myself. It’s about understanding why you’re training and what you’re training. I’ve been mugged a handful of times in my city but no one’s gotten a thing from me. Sometimes it’s because I’m physically capable of defending myself, but most of the time it’s because I know how to keep an eye out, keep my distance, and deescalate the situation
I would like to think that martial artists don’t need actual combat experience to be respected, but they do need to be honest with others and themselves just like everyone else who wants to be respected ought to do. You can be a great martial artist but a bad fighter and vice versa, but if you start being honest with yourself let alone those around you that is how you can earn the respect of others. There was this Shaolin monk who appeared in two of Jesse Enkamp’s videos where he trained with warrior monks and even though he may not have combat experience like Peter Irving or Xu Xiaodong he still leaves an impression of respectability. As the saying goes, “Honesty is the best policy.”
as I say about any activity hobby or sport: " the real high level players are the people that actually showed up to prove it ". He showed up and fought so I got some respect for that.
Awesome video, interesting to see that Ba didn't have a crowd of supporter defending him online like the fallen opponents of Xu Xiadong. I think that fight experience can help lend legitimacy to someone but it's not always necessary. Instructors and coaches should have experience as they'll be preparing their students for similar events so it helps them empathise as their coach. But competition isn't for everyone, most martial artists are casual hobbyists who want the exercise and social circle. It doesn't mean they have to fight to be respected by their peers.
Combat experience is one aspect, important, but attitude, school sociability, and knowledge are also important. And many other aspects as well. Tai Chi is a meditative form of various arts, though 75% of it is mainly Shuai Jiao, which is definitely a combat sport.
@@mavka.chornaCorrelation = meaningless. It’s amazing how people like you cling to your delusions despite the mountain of video evidence to the contrary. I did aikido as a kid. I’ve since trained in Muay Thai and BJJ. Should I give aikido the credit if I display combat prowess?
@@UnskilledGrappler Hey I did wrestling and boxing, just did tai chi as part of religious studies. Yes doing Tai chi Yang dance form in combat is as effective as using Olympic archery instead of a warbow at a medieval battle. As i pointed out so who are you calling delusional? But go ahead be a heel biter.
is a fair assessment. As to the question, combat experience definitely helps, but I don't believe it is necessary. There are so many martial artists that are coaches and never stepped foot in a ring. As long as that person doesn't make some ridiculous claims like these frauds make.
Oh it matters. You can try to add things up in your mind and make your best bet at a knowledgeable assessment, but it's just like Tyson said "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face". I would t want to mess with a coach for sure, but many fighters lose fights because they quit and they have stepped foot in the ring plenty of times. Experience matters, the most experienced don't quit they adapt or go out trying
I agree with you. The person has to be honest about who they are and what they’re training / teaching. I put martial artists into 3-categories: 1. Martial Artists: This encompasses people who train for a hobby or health and martial art athletes that compete in non-contact or light contact (points) tournaments. 2. Armature fighters: People who have had 1 full contact sanctioned fight. This includes striking and wrestling arts. 3. Professional fighters. I don’t think someone has to ‘fight’ to be called a Martial Artist. Also, this isn’t a ranking system - just categories.
Some of my best teachers have been people with no real combat experience. On the flip side, some of my absolute worst teachers have been former pros (MT local champions, yes, plural). The best teacher I've had though, had a world title. I'd say that having or not having combat experience, doesn't guarantee a good teacher. Good teachers are people who are willing to put the time into teaching their students the best way they can. There's also a saying that permeates throughout martial arts: The best fighters don't (always) make the best teachers.
Martial arts have really a lot of different facets, so no it's not necessary to have combat experience or to prove you can fight. All you need is to work on yourself and whatever goals you set for yourself.
yea, i'm fine with taiqi marketed as a "martial art" for health reasons and getting your body used to balance. Probably useful for older people who shouldn't be fighting but should still get training for their body for reasons such as balance and not letting others push you around too much. Heavy emphasis on the "arts" side of "martial arts". But certainly not for actual combat.
A person training in martial arts does not need to have a fight record to be respected. Why? People don't need to be in fights to have earned respect. As long as the practice has actual application and work during situations where it matters is what counts, if it is needed. However, having a fight record does count for having a little more respect than others, but not on a grand level being put on a high pedestal, it just means they have real experience during a combat or fight situation. Power Rangers aren't real, but many of the power ranger actors and actress were martial artists, even the stuntmen, and even have a fight record. Jason David Frank RIP
Question of the day: it all depends on what you’re trying to get out of martial arts. There’s a black belt in tai chi in my hometown who hasn’t had any real combat experience, but is a grandmaster at what he does and helped me get stronger and more flexible just by doing tai chi. Do I respect him? Absolutely. Would he win in a fight? Maybe not. That’s not the point. It all depends on what you’re hoping to get out of martial arts. It’s a spectrum.
I agree, but I think though that the subject of martial arts can make people commit to bizarre things and commit to stuff. One time I met someone online who had a strong mma martial arts background and became a Tai Chi enthusiast and was trying to use himself as an example of Tai Chi being an effective system. He couldn't seem to understand that his effectiveness as a fighter had to do with his mma background, not his tai chi background (or at least that this is how he came across to me). And then there are these legends about some extra ordinary and undefeatable elderly tai chi master who can beat anybody. Which may or may not be true, but the evidence of an effective martial art is what not only be verified, but common. To me, seeing lots of people who train in something for a year becomes effective fighters, like boxers and mma fighters matters more than a martial art system that is on the defensive for a lack of examples of effective fighters, and whose only true evidence of the effectiveness of said art as a fighting system are rare but extra ordinary individuals that supposedly got to this superhuman level of martial art ability through decades of daily practice and commitment that are seen less frequently than Big Foot, Loch Ness Monster, and Santa Claus.
I believe that you do not need actual combat experience to be involved in the martial arts. I have never had a fight in my adult life and I am proud of that. I am a professional writer and artist in the entertainment industry, so that is where my energy is focused. But, I have been training in various martial arts since I was six years old and I love it. I'm also not delusional to think that I could compete against a trained fighter.
To answer your question, I think they can. Nothing wrong with martial arts for health, choreography, if students are aware of the goal. Also in combat sports not every coach has combat experience but can teach people to be lethal for example Cos Damoto and Mike Tyson. Keep up good work !
You can even see Peter signal to him by tapping his right leg to show that he is going to throw his right round kick, just before that leg catch into takedown 😂
To comment on your last questions, Whilst Bruce Lee did not have any 'proffesional' fights, he's been in quite a number of altercations/fights, both in his youth as a gang member, and later on being challenged after he became more famous. you can read all of it in the book Wrath of the Dragon, the real fights of Bruce Lee, by John Little, makes for some interesting insights...
But to be fair, now Master Ma in the Video already 70 years old, he still so fit and healthy, didnt effect him much even knock out 3 times in a row. The Taichi he practice might not be very good in fighting professionally, but indeed good for your health.
There's so much that's funny here... "That billionaire guy".... Yeah, I think a lot of people are having trouble finding him for completely different reasons...
i asked julia and she said: well, master ma needs to eat too. regarding your question, i think in this day and age you have to have actual combat experience in order to be taken seriously and be respected as a martial artist. things might have been different during bruce lee´s times (and legend has it that he actually fought as a kid and as a teen in hong kong). but nowadays there´s no excuse for armchair martial artists. it´s like claiming to be a super duper surgeon without having ever having conducted surgery.
Very few people know how to use Tai Chi for fighting, many of the fighting masters were imprisoned when the communists took over. They were looked down on. They generally start a fight from the cross hand position like in Enter the Dragon.
As for your question. To call yourself a martial artist you should have (some) combat experience. Not only tournaments count though. Hard sparring and street fights also show if someone can take and give more damage in battle then average.
Most people mischaracterize the video. The MMA guy is not exposing fake martial arts styles but fake "Masters" every guy that the MMA guy exposed has no name recognition, anywhere.
Cultural or traditional martial arts (at least the non-effective ones) can still be incorporated into kata and warm-ups for the more effective martial arts (traditional or modern). They also have their place in stunt work. Footwork and the ability to move gracefully should matter a lot more than it currently does. Israel Adesanya is a former dancer, it shows in the way he moves. Margot Cicarelli is a BJJ black belt with multiple accolades but has also done Kung Fu and dancing. While karate has been ridiculed over the years, you can see that Lyoto Machida and Michelle Waterson moved very gracefully due to being karatekas.
Jet Li self-proclaimed never fought in his life in real combat. He's still fucking awesome. I respect people who say they practice movement arts, martial or otherwise, for health purposes or as a form of art and self fulfillment. I will also say that disrespect is wrong in any shape or form. Fraud is disrespect so don't be surprised if you get disrespected right back if you make tall claims about your skill and fail to deliver.
The one thing I never understood is how can anybody watch any cartoon as a kid growing up watching Superman Batman fight against the forces of darkness and then still yet grow up and be an evil dirtbag not too many people took it to heart but I always did and I will always respect those characters which include Bruce Lee although Bruce Lee was a real person nevertheless😊
I think I have an answer. The idea of the Good (that is the idea of goodness) feels like a simple idea, but trying to understand it, and its related issues, what is Good, what is evil, etc. are far more complex than what you get in a comic book (though I think they do a great job of raising the topic at a mature level). Interestingly enough, the theme of people wanting to be genuine Good but somehow end up as villains is popular theme in comic books, I believe. Having said that, I once saw a syllabus of a college level philosophy course involving Comic books and the first topic was the question "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker."
So the guy hired an MMA fighter to do light sparring and choreographed moves with him in a promotional video and then pretended this was an actual fight? LOL.
You don't need combat experiance, you just need to stay in your lane. My BJJ coach also taught striking, but he was very upfront about only having competed in BJJ and that his striking coach had competed and had a decent record. It's like two different Chefs. A Pastry Chef and Grill Chef can both be called Chefs. I can trust a Grill Chef to cook a delicious, savory medium rare, tender and suculent steak but I probably won't hire them to cook my wedding cake. If a Martial Artist is honest about their experiance then I can take them seriously. But if they are just like, "Trust Me Bro" then its tough to respect them.
I'd love to see one of these "real martial artist vs. phony martial artist" videos where the legit martial artist dressed up like a Mortal Kombat character of his choosing. I'd do it, but I'm not a real martial artist. I just played one in my dojo.
What a masterpiece of delusional abilities. May Master Ma get all the free drinks at the club. Lol. Answer to the question. The answer is yes. But no. A teacher can never have been in combat, yet train others to go off to combat. But the true test I would say,is combat, stress testing the art for practical application. I would respect someone more if they had experience in combat than someone who hasn't. Ty Rob🙏😎👊
The answer to your question is that it depends on the claims and the goals of the martial artist. If I want to get hood at WKF point sparring and I find a teacher that says he can teach me that and then proceeds to teach me nothing but wrestling takedowns I would call that fraudulent. If I wanted to become an mma fighter and I go to a school that advertises MMA and they teach me xma tricking, that would also be fraudulent. But if the wrestler says he can teach me effective wrestling for mma and his reasoning that he has coached doesn't of successful mma fighters but does not himself fight then I would not call him a fraud. Ones coaching ability rarely corresponds to their own physical ability.
My response to your Question of the day.....If someone has worked hard and been dedicated enough to earn a rank within Martial Arts (like a senior at your school) shouldn't you respect them? Regardless of whether they've used it in the streets. Also I wish every "master" with an ego problem ( and orhers) would stop associating this with Kung Fu. We've got a bad enough reputation as it is .
As long as they're not making baseless claims that they are a good fighter or that their style is effective for combat without real testing, I don't think you have to fight to be respected as a martial artist. People get into martial arts for differents reasons other than to be a fighter.
A martial artist can be respected without fighting at all as long as he/she doesnt claim that he/she is good at fighting. Someone who does a non practical art for fighting such as Tai Chi for the purpose of meditation & well being an he/she fully admits that its not for fighting or something that the martial arts training does not provide that is not a bad martial artist and should deserve respect.
Answer to question of the day: For me personally, no. A martial artist can be respected as long as they are honest and present themselves with dignity and integrity. Having actual combat experience is a bonus. We have seen many martial artists with actual combat experience (many courtesy of this channel) who are garbage people and deserve no respect.
Don't need to have actual fights to have respect. Many fight coaches don't have professional fight records, doesn't mean they can't teach fundamentals and good technique.
about the question: Depends on what you m ean with Respected, and what you mean with Combat Experience. You can learn proper technique, and only technique, and your technique will be flawless. But Fighting is not about Technique. It is about adaptiong Technique into real life, or as someone said (And i cant remember who): "I dont go into a fight looking to Use techniques. I go in to a fight, and the moment tells me what technique are open for use." Then again, you can have someone who have had alot of "streetfights", but not a professional one. With "Streetfight" i mean any fight outside a scorekeeping ring. Good old Brucie ends up in this camp. Was he a good Fighter? Yea most likely. Did he fight in any real matches? Well some, but not many. Can we say he couldnt fight? No. Look at the dude move. He clearly knew what he was doing. And in the third camp you have those without technique, but with alot of experience. And i think it kinda goes like this: Technique > Inexperience Experience > Technique Technique and Experience > Experience.
The answer to "why was there a director there?" could have been much better than "action movies can have real fights too". I mean, if you're going to make things up, you should say things that are hard to challenge. "The director was there to make sure the camera positions were set up and the action captured professionally" would have been so much better. If you're a fake martial artists who need a writer, let me know!
"Real" combat Tai Chi is hardly recognizable as Tai Chi, but if you watch very closely, it's all very fast versions of Tai Chi kata cut into individual motions applied where & when needed. I've experienced "real" combat Tai Chi once and seen it three times - all four times I considered it to be JKD or Karate untill I saw the VHS slow mo. Not "spiritual woo woo shit", just learning when to apply the movements you've spent decades going through as an isometric excersize and then applying them at full force & speed. P.S. This guy was peddling straight "woo", and from the looks of the match he was his own first customer.
“Martial art” = perfection in ending another Not exactly something most people will ever come close to doing… and most of those that do will never cross that line… and even fewer who cross that line do it with perfection enough to be free to add artistic flair… 💪😈💪
whether somebody trains to better their combat ability or just trains in a style purely for health and well being is of no consequence to me. where i have the problem is those who purport their style having some usefulness in combat when all evidence does not support that claim.
Problem with traditional martial arts is they have all practical fighting transitioned out of them to the point they become a relic of culture rather than a combat method. Then the mysticism crap from myths where people try to pass off journey myths and fiction probably meant to be fiction though ancient as real. It’s sad because some of these arts were methods of fighting originally.
Sad indeed but then again different people wish to train in martial arts for different reasons. Sometimes it’s because they wanna defend themselves. Sometimes it’s to be better rooted into some culture. Perhaps it’s to maintain fitness because if a sucker punch or a head-first slam into concrete won’t kill someone heart disease might.
