We love the new self Leveler on our new 2021 3032e But it's useless on the westdendorf 4215 that we purchased from John deere can't curl at all my question is If we ran the hydraulic Line And went with your frontier Grapple will this work we are lost on this thanks
I’m hearing the 120r msl is around $560-$600 more than nsl, which is not a huge difference, but unless there are good reasons to spend the extra $’s, I’d buy the nsl. Personally, I like the idea of learning how to manually use both functions on the fel, but as a new tractor owner with near zero operating experience, I’m wondering how tricky/difficult it is to learn how to effectively use the nsl... thoughts? TY
It's pretty tricky on the smaller tractors, the flow rate on the pumps just aren't very high. When operating the loader SCV, when the 2nd valve/function opens, the original function slows down greatly! It's pretty tricky to modulate those tiny amounts when using more than one function. You'll eventually get used to it but it takes a lot of concentration and finesse. I'm finally pretty comfortable with it again on my 3032R after ~100 hours on the clock. I grew up using 1022, and 3038e, had a 1023e for a bit before I bought my 3032e.
@@cantbuyrespect yeah, it appears it's not all it's cracked up to be, I think I'll stick with my regular 120R, Watching Tim's videos has me liking the one I got. While I do some pallet fork work, most of what I do is bucket work and there appears to be little to no increased capacity
You mention that the 220R MSL lifts 40% more than NSL. The Deere website shows an increase from 803 lbs to 1377 lbs. I’m guessing those numbers aren’t correct. Can you elaborate on the “40%” increase?
Hi Justin, thanks for reaching out! The new Mechanical Self-leveling Loader has a 40% increase in lift capacity when compared to non self-leveling loaders. In other words, it will lift up to 40% more weight than the non self-leveling loaders. If you have further questions, we recommend reaching out to you local John Deere dealer. If needed, you can find their contact information at dealerlocator.deere.com.
John Deere Thanks for the reply. I did reach out to my dealer and they struggled to explain the numbers listed on Deere’s website. An increase from 803 lbs. to 1377 lbs., as listed on the website, would be a 71% increase... 🤔
Justin H, you might want to check out "Tractor Time with Tim", he just did a video about this yesterday (all be it on the 120R). Both lift basically SAME WEIGHT to full height - that's right no real increase in capability AND the MSL max height is around 2 inches LOWER than the NSL. Now with that said, the MSL may be able to lift more if you upgrade or increase the PSI of the hydro above manufacture specifications and there would be no issue with the loader arms, but the hydro units are NOT designed for that increase in pressure, so that limits the MSL units. What we're starting to see is, if you are doing a lot of pallet work or tree/log/rock (heavy and dangerous loads) the extra cost for MSL may be worth the investment. Mulch, dirt, and other lighter loads, the MSL with the restricted max lift height, might not be for your particular use. Personal decision in the end (safety of the unit being the big benefit); however, if you're looking for extra lift capability - the MSL is not it.
Thanks for the question, Gene. The compatibility of attachments and implements will depend on a variety of factors including the specifications of the unit. We do offer a compatible 120R Mechanical Self Leveling Loader option with up to 726 lb (330 kg) lift capacity for the 2025R but we may need more information to determine if it is compatible with your unit. Our Enterprise Contact Center team can help you confirm if this attachment is compatible. You can find their contact information at Deere.com/ContactUs. Our Enterprise Contact Center is open from 7am - 5pm CST Monday - Friday, and 8am - 4:30pm Saturday. We hope this helps!
@John Deere - by now you had to have seen independent testing by RU-vid content creators comparing the MSL vs NSL loaders where they are not getting results to support your claims. Even pro-John Deere RU-vidr “Tractor Time With Tim” is puzzled by his real world findings being opposite of your claims. Tim, and others, are asking viewers what they are missing because their real world weight lifting tests show no increase in lifting weight capability, but do show a reduction in lifting hight, and a reduction in the buckets ability to curl that is so dramatic, it has become difficult / impossible to pick up a full bucket of dirt, mulch, or, well, anything. With bucket curl greatly reduced, the most they could pick up is a partial bucket. Please, please, please let us know whose wrong, your findings or everyone else’s? If you are going to stand by your claims, at least explain why real world testing does not support your specifications.
Walter, thanks for reaching out to us. You should be able to find this information in the Operator's Manual for your specific Front Loader attachment in the section for Attaching and Detaching Loader. You may be able to find your Operator's Manual online at techpubs.deere.com. Simply enter your Loader model number in the "Equipment Publications" tab. If needed, your local dealer would be a great resource for further assistance. Their contact information is available at Deere.com/Dealer. We hope this helps!
