Medieval Art is often ABSOLUTE FANTASY! 

Like retro futuristic sci-fi.

I want to see a bunch of dudes dressed like medieval superheroes riding at each other on horses with with big zweihanders wielded in two hands while standing in their stirrups, fully bisecting each other, including the horses 😎 😇

Oh, that could be hysterical historical. Or maybe capitalized as Hysterical Historical(s)

That is inclusive in the SCA.

Pre-modern fantasy LARPing

And for destroying Carthage, too!

SNAILS TO ARMS

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That goes all the way back to Gilgamesh and Enkidu, swinging cedar trees vs Humbaba.

I have a hard time watching most modern action movies. especialy if someone should be a former specialforces. as most of them are as bad as medival art. the diffrence is that it wouldn´t have taken five minuts on google for the medival artist to find out how the correct uniform looks, what kind of gear they where expected to have.

I thought all the action movies and games about former green berets are unrealistic bulshit. But then I learned about Roy Benavidez and I had to redefine my understanding what can be possible for a human being. Every boy would like to be a real life Rambo but Rambo would like to be Benavidez. Absolute legend!

​@@DalHrusk wow, just finished reading the wiki article. What a man!

@@DalHruskmy problem usually isn’t unrealistic scenarios, it’s more like I have a mini panic attack whenever someone walks past a doorway without checking, absolutely terrifying. or worse- they walk directly into a room! ah, btw some guys did an SCP horror short with a lot of room-clearing, it was pretty cool. nothing ramps up anxiety quite like haunted house CQB.

Excellent.

'Caddy' would make a great fantasy RPG class.

@@boogaboogaboogaable They had them irl. They were called "squires."

Caddy:" Sir, considering 7 out of 10 enemies has chainmail, I highly recommend no 3 mace, lighter but having greater reach."

@chengkuoklee5734 you gave me an idea for gurps

The wars with snails and bunnies are a matter of historical record. Humanity must never forget our ancestral struggle.

Simply put, yes.

The great snail wars are no laughing matter, the only more terrible conflict against nature was the great Emu war in Australia.

Only if they wear faceshields and throwing pommels 😅

That was only after they ate some mushrooms. Yes, those mushrooms...

FWiW (and you probably already know this) film/tv often use local groups of re-enactors etc to fill out their extras because it saves an absolute killing on expensive costuming, especially if you just need to mill around and look busy. Same thing with getting soldiers in for anything that requires moving in formation. Drilling actors to do parade work is much harder that training a soldier to look like a soldier for thirty seconds. My favourite is still the Rohirrim in Lord of the Rings, which is rather famously largely composed of teenaged horse girls with faux facial hair because they could already ride well enough. No wonder nobody clocked Éowyn.

And the inks were usually made local from the environment. Places having different common hues.

And the giant jousting snails

Exactly 👍🏿

I mean,it was to a certain degree. there are plenty of medieval and ancient depictions of demons, monsters, and other things that were just purely of the artists mind. though I do agree with the point you're making to a degree. especially because early medieval artists had no "rules" of how to draw something; perspective, proportions, etc. were all things they knew about, but didn't know what was "correct" quite yet, or materials were so rare/expensive that if they drew something too big or too small they couldn't just scrap it and start again. but they had to roll with those errors and make it presentable anyway.

@@davedavidson8208 Guess I should've phrased it a bit differently, I was talking specifically about the armor/attire/weaponry, medieval artists simply didn't seem to have the need to come up with something new and original in that field the way fantasy artists have been doing for the past ~100 years. And even the fantastical beasts they've designed are very meh by modern standards (with Bosch being the most obvious exception, his nightmarish visions are something else entirely) which goes back to my point how it requires a different set of artistic skills to make stuff up.

First time hearing the MENA abriviation, I like it

@@borjaslamic its a lot easier than remembering how to spell "Mediterranean" when meaning the Barbary Coast/Levantine/etc. cultures that all survived around that area.

@@Magey_McMage Can your provide examples of historical images where this is evident? Or even just some google keywords? I tried a number of google queries but couldn't find any examples. I don't disbelieve your claim, but I would love to see some examples. Thanks!

@@westinharris5190 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi_Chapel if you go down to Procession, Balthazar is a good example. All 3 magi here are different likely to differentiate them from each other, but the way their gown and headwear is very similar to a chaperon and houppelande but slightly different is really cool!

Thanks! Cheers.

You don’t maybe know the name of said knight? Sounds fascinating

@@heilmodrhinnheimski Ulrich von Liechtenstein. Generally he was dressed as king Arthur. In another trip he was dressed as the goddess Venus who also fought.

​@@petrapetrakoliou8979he also rode against the black prince of Wales on the tourney Field!

@@garrenbrooks4778 Must be another one, the one I speak about was living in the middle of the 13th century, not a hundred years later.

@@garrenbrooks4778 and painted his face like a jester.

True, some times fantasy has some truths in it but just not in the contect of the fantasy veing depicted

Do to find that Chinese depictions of Mongolian fighters from the time are usually armed and dressed like Chinese warriors?

@@Theduckwebcomics sometimes yes sometimes no. Id say honeslty the chinese were better at depicing the nomadsnthan many other cultures in many occasions. Youll find many incorrect depictions are done by people who never saw a mongol or turkmen. But others are exceptionally detailed.. Showinh their peculiarities. Fingering the guards of the swords. Their lanyards on their sword, stirrups and horse tack, their different types of swords, their odd haircuts. Their armour.. Some are really detailed and have detailed explanations about the nomads habits and weaponry. I was looking at a good chinese picture showing nomads with sword drawn with very good deails. Theirnbelts, scabbards ect were very accurate the metal ricassos on the swords were visable a distinct feature of turko-nomad swords. Their belts were visable and very distinct as were the boots, hair, faces ect. Ive neber seen european depictions of mongols so accurate and detailed.

@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 Well, the Chinese had been fighting them for literal millennia, as opposed to an on-again off-again random raids every so often. So makes sense they'd have more accurate portrayals of them.

@@Theduckwebcomics Yes, what Manchango said, and that's another example of what Matt was talking about in terms of art reflecting cultural ideals. The Islamic world was highly pluralistic and multicultural while China (despite ruling over more than just ethnic Chinese) was relatively more insular, with a clearly defined barrier between the civilised Chinese and the primitive "Northern Barbarians", which created a pressure to depict the steppe "barbarians" as inherently un-Chinese in any possible way. Sometimes that would be a conscious decision made by the artist but it could also simply be a matter of their own internalised prejudices impacting their art unconciously-encouraging them to depict the steppe nomads as alien or different by drawing them as very distinct from the Chinese (either by accurately depicting the differences between the two material cultures or by incorporating more fantastical ideas, depending on circumstances). In contrast by the time the Mongols show up the Islamic world had already absorbed a number of steppe cultures (e.g. the Seljuqs and Kharwezmians) and relied heavily on Ghilman/Mamalik slave-soldiers who were often steppe nomads captured as children and then assimilated into Islamic society, meaning Muslim artists were more commonly exposed to steppe nomads who blended different bits of steppe and Islamic culture together, and were also less likely to identify steppe nomads as an "out-group" in the way Chinese artists would, meaning they more commonly depict steppe nomads as rather Arab or Persian in appearance. To some extent that does reflect the reality of steppe influences on Islamic culture (which of course only increased under the Mongols), however it is also partially a product of the way the artists thought about and understood steppe peoples in relation to the Islamic world.

I mean in WWII "Mad" Jack Churchill did carry a longbow, Scottish basket-hilted broadsword, and bagpipes into battle alongside his standard kit so it's not like _nobody_ was carrying an arsenal. 😅

Got to be honest, if I had to choose spikey hair or some weird armor, im picking the funny armor every time.

@@aaronlaughter6471 What's wrong with spiky hair? I had a dude who was into punk culture back in school and he was wearing spiky hair for days. Had to get up 2 hours before school to set the hair, but he was popular.

@SkinnyBlackout yeah, and everyone stood and clapped. My hair is naturally curly, I don't see you kissing my ass for getting up and straightening it.

@@aaronlaughter6471 What's with such juvenile response? Are you insecure or something?

@SkinnyBlackout because you acted juvenile when I responded to the original comment that I would take armor any day. Self-awareness is not big with you, is it.

Archeological evidence isn't always the best way to judge most of the time we end up with survivorship bias, as a lot of extant pieces especially for earlier centuries do not exist anymore or materials were re-used and recycled. The best bet would be taking the context of the manuscripts into consideration, how often it shows up and perhaps if there's any carvings or effigies depicting this armor.

That seems to be true to some extent, and you will see medieval chroniclers using clothing and military equipment from their own time as their primary reference (not least because those were the references they had to hand), but it can be a bit more complex than that. For example, by the late 15th Century the “hounskull” bascinet was almost a century out of date. However, you see it cropping up in paintings from that period as a visual shorthand when depicting people and events from earlier epochs, no matter whether the helmet was accurate to the period depicted - it could be the 14th Century, the 11th Century, or even the 1st century. The main message was “hounskull=old”. Historical and mythical figures were also more likely to be shown in fantastical garb, as discussed in the video.

@@KorKhan89 Interesting, so kinda like in for example Ancient Egyptian art: it was depicting ideas, not physical reality. Western art of modern era is of course still full of symbolism and intertextuality, but even more so in Medieval art?

@@andeluvianspeeddemon4528 Yeah I would definitely say so. Iconography and symbolism were absolutely central to medieval art, and it was only towards the end of the period that representing the world “as it is” also became a major concern, when the stylised figures and flat perspectives of the Romanesque and Gothic gave way to the realistically proportioned bodies and linear perspectives of the early Renaissance. (although this “pure” realism would soon be abandoned again in 16th Century Mannerism) Historical accuracy is an even more recent concern. In the 16th and 17th Centuries, Bruegel’s paintings and Shakespeare’s plays are chock full of anachronisms, often because they were using historical events to make statements about their present day.

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Whats schwerpunkt?

​@@gwynbleidd1917It means main emphasis.

@@TheAncientAstronomer danke

@@gwynbleidd1917 👍

I'm laughing just at the thought that some historian will come across people imitating Revolver Ocelot doing tricks with his guns and wonder if this technique gave the gunner any tactical advantage or if it was just some fancy shooting and a shorthand for saying "he's pretty good".

@@kacperwoch4368 Well since Metal Gear was made in Japan will they interpret as this is Japanese style of gunnery or is it the Japanese perception of American gunnery?

I was definitely thinking that's what he was referring to. Especially since it was Windlass that made that reproduction.

How about Men in Tights?

There used to be some 3d printable ones on cults3D, but apparently they've disappeared.

The Royal Armouries-Windlass-Easton collaboration 'Wakefield' type falchion. Direct copy of an example in the Royal Armouries.