TRANSCRIPT: Now. Now we can talk about meditation. Don’t take postures. Don’t suddenly sit up and say, I am going to meditate. Be comfortable, that is all. Sir, there are several things implied in meditation. First, there must be space, not physical space only, but space within the mind, which means no occupation. You understand this? Do you understand this? Because all our minds are occupied. How shall I stop chattering? I must be occupied with having a space. I must be silent. You follow? This occupation like a housewife with her cooking, with her children, like a devotee with his god, a man with his occupation, with his sex, with his job, with his ambition, with his position - the mind is wholly occupied, therefore there is no space in it. You follow? We have established order in our life, not the order of discipline, control - that is out. But we have established order because we have seen, intelligently we have seen, that the order can only come out of the understanding of disorder. We have gone into it. I am not going to go into it. So we have brought about order in our life, order in our relationship, which is very important because life is relationship - a movement, an action in relationship. If there is no order in your relationship with your wife, with your husband, with your children, with your neighbour, whether that neighbour is near or very far, forget about meditation. Because if out of having disorder in your life you try to meditate, you will fall into the trap of illusions. So that’s why we said in these talks, if you have been serious, if you have followed, we have brought about order, absolute order, not temporary order, absolute order. That order can look to the cosmic order. You understand? It has a relationship - I mustn’t go into it. Just let me go into it a little bit. That order has relationship with the cosmic order. Cosmic order is the setting of the sun, the rising of the moon, the marvellous sky of an evening with all the beauty. And merely examining the universe through a telescope is not order. It is order in here, in our life. Then that order has an extraordinary relationship with the universe. You understand all this? Doesn’t matter. So we are saying when a mind is occupied there is no order, there is no space. When the mind is full of problems how can you have space? So every problem as it arises must be immediately solved first, to have space. You understand? That isn’t part of meditation, not to carry problems over day after day, day after day, day after day. I met the other day a lady who said to me, ‘When you were a little boy you hurt me psychologically and I am still carrying that hurt.’ Sixty years hurt. Oh, you don’t see this. So is it possible not to be occupied, which does not mean irresponsibility. You understand? On the contrary, when you are not occupied, you give your attention to responsibility. It is only the occupied mind that is confused and therefore responsibility becomes ugly, and responsibility then has the possibility of guilt and all that. So please do not ask how not to be occupied. If you say, please tell me a system, a method, all that, then you will be occupied with the system, with the method, with the slogans and all the rest of it. But if you see, if you have an insight, if you see that a mind occupied is a destructive mind, it is not a free mind, it has no space, if you see that, it happens. The next question is - oh lord! -is attention, inattention and distraction. You follow? Attention, inattention, concentration and distraction. Are you getting tired? We are saying there is no distraction at all. Please see that point very carefully. There is no such thing as distraction. I will explain, I will go into it. When you are attempting to concentrate, only then there is distraction. Right? That is, thought says - listen carefully please - thought says, I will concentrate on that - the image, the picture, the idea, the word OM or whatever it is - I will concentrate on that and thought is focusing its energy on that. But thought also wanders off and then thought says, that is a distraction, I must come back to this. Both are the movements of thought. Are you following all this? So there is no distraction, it is only the movement of thought. Right? And concentration implies enclosure, resistance. Right? So we are saying, where there is concentration, which is thought focusing its energy on a particular thing, image, whatever you want to concentrate on, and in that process of concentration thought wanders away. And that you call distraction, but the concentration and the movement away is part of thought - is thought. So don’t ever say to yourself I am being distracted, because you eliminate the conflict between concentration and distraction. You are getting what I am - go on. And we are saying if you have understood that, then attention. To attend - are you attending now? Attend, which means what? If you are really deeply attending, there is no centre from which you are attending. Right? You understand? And that attention cannot, as you would like it to, continue. Right? You are following? The continuity is inattention. Have you understood this? I will explain. When you are attending, which means listening - I will explain that, what it means - listening, the art of listening, the art of seeing, the art of learning. That is the total movement of attention. In that attention there is no centre that says, I am learning, I am hearing, I am seeing. There is only this enormous sense of wholeness, which is watching, listening, learning. And in that attention there is no movement of thought. I don’t know if you have noticed it. There is no movement of thought. Then that attention cannot be sustained, then thought says, I must find out how to come by or arrive or achieve that attention. This movement away… this movement wanting to capture that attention is inattention, is lack of attention. You have understood this? Now to be aware, to be aware, to be aware of this movement away from attention is to be attentive. You’ve captured it? Have you understood it? So, we said the mind must have great space, limitless space and that can only take place when there is no chattering, when there is no problem, because problems have been… And the movement of the mind in sleep is also quiet, because it is not constantly dreaming, because your problems you are resolving as they arise. I won’t go into it, it’s too long. So having great space, and you can only have great space when there is no centre. The moment you have a centre there must be circumference, there must be diameter, a movement from this centre to the peripheral. So space implies no centre. Therefore it is absolutely limitless. And we are saying concentration is a distraction of thought. Thought itself is a distraction. And attention implies giving all your energy to listen, to see - right? - in that there is no centre. Then comes a mind that has understood order, and is free from fear, ending sorrow, has understood the nature of pleasure and given its right place and so on. Then the question is what is the quality of mind that is completely silent? Not how to achieve silence, how to have peace of mind. That is what you all want, a peace of mind, and you will only have a piece! We are saying the quality of a mind that is absolutely, timelessly silent. Now there is silence between two notes, there is silence between two thoughts, there is silence between two movements, there is silence between two wars, there is silence between husband and wife before they begin to quarrel, before they begin to have all kinds of things happen, and so on. We are not talking of that kind of quality of silence, because they are temporary, they go away. But we are talking of silence that is not produced by thought, that is not cultivable, that comes only when you have understood the whole movement of existence. You understand, sir? And then there arises, in that there is silence, there is no question and answer, there is no challenge, there is no search, everything has ended. In that silence, if you have come to that, with a great sense of space and beauty and extraordinary sense of energy, then there comes that which is eternally, timelessly sacred, which is not the product of civilisation, product of thought. That is the whole movement of meditation.
I was about to ask for captions, and then i saw transcript here. Thanks for it. Some words gets less audible, which creates kinda confusion. Keep adding captions or transcripts like this.👍
It appears to me that 90% of people who claim to be meditating are really not meditating, but just doing some kind of lifestyle-feelgood-yoga. They schedule it, set aside a special time and place for it, they exercise a very specific method, thereby making it rigid. They don't want to be distracted by anyone or anything. Hell, one might think there are masturbating.
My understanding of this is that 1) Everything is a function of the mind, including verbal thought, imagery, self-identity. 2) Only sheer perception puts us in the moment (aka in attention) to what's happening. We stop being so occupied by these mental products and actually start noticing and observing everything
to be botherd by your problems is disorder. To obtain true freedom you must let all that go. To be totaly free from it is to want nothing, to be nothing, to stop searching, that is THE ultimate freedom. The art of becoming nobody.
Those videos are so valuable 🙏🏼 At the same time in my experience you either “know” because it’s on your experience and you’re 100% clear about what KM is talking about OR you don’t know because it’s not yet on your experience. Each one get there in a different way. All in valuable when it comes from truth.
To the people who love you, you are beautiful already. This is not because they’re blind to your shortcomings but because they so clearly see your soul. Your shortcomings then dim by comparison. The people who care about you are willing to let you be imperfect and beautiful, too.
God, this is a landmark guidance on what is medtitation. It is a gospel, and should be treasured. But it is so much more to difficult to achieve the meditative state, almost impossible in terms of its absoluteness. Now, i am begining to understand why there are far few true enlightened souls like Budha.
Most feel it is too difficult to achieve, and they listen to that thought and believe it. All you're doing is believing stories you're telling yourself. Simply stop telling yourself stories, or, hear them, and don't believe them. If I told you I saw a pig flying past the window yesterday, you'd hear me, but you wouldn't believe me. Yet you believe your own lies when you say "I am not Buddha". No, you are already Buddha, you are already enlightened. Your doubt is what is preventing you from seeing it.
With no ORDER in our lives, no space for meditation... This is a key! Life is relationship... In every relation make order, and finely your order will recognize with universe. And you become one with universe! And then is easy to meditate... ))))) Thank you great atma J. Krishnamurti!
Holy space which is by its very nature boundless, silent, without centre, enormous and eternal. There is no effort of cencentrating on the centre(when there is no absolute centre but limitless). A movement free, concentration free, distration free space of mind is able to establish contact with cosmic space which is nothing but absolute and eternal.
4:52 Every problem as it arises must be immediately solved for us to have space. 14:42 Then comes a mind that has understood. . . . . . The comes the question, what is the quality of mind that is absolutely silent ? ( I find even considering the question to be meditative. )
It's extraordinary how those who have clarity continually exhort us to see this; how the great writings all point at it; and how we still insist on techniques, levels, achievements and experiences to reassure the ego we are "progressing". Just stop. This is all there is. Instead of trying to escape it in "meditation" we become fully present, fully invested, then simply ask: who is here?
K: What exactly is "seeing"? Can we look at ourselves without distortion, purely by “seeing” ourselves, at the basic facts of ourselves: greed, jealousy, anxiety, fear, hypocrisy, deceit, ambition? "Meditation requires constant attention, constant awareness of every word, thought, and emotion of our own. These reveal our superficial or hidden existence." "Freedom is our sense of choicelessness in our daily life." We should always observe ourselves. Examine ourselves, our greed, envy, bitterness, cynicism, beliefs, etc., and observe them. If we want to change them, we cannot see them. True Seeing requires energy, and active observation at all times." "If you learn to observe yourself, the way you walk, the way you eat, the content of your conversations, how you gossip, hate, envy, etc., if you can be aware of all these It's meditation. So when you're taking a bus ride, walking in the shade of a sunlit tree, listening to the birds sing, or watching the faces of your wife and children, you can do it meditation."
Mediation,attention and silence you get all this thru Concentration. Level of concentration is thru mercy of God and practice. Silence insence peace calm.
I have been listening Jiddu Sir from last one year..My Observer has observed this thing that There are always some People who is coughing continuously....Am I thinking negative ? Or are they haters during his speech ? Sometimes their coughing comes during that moment when jiddu sir does some critisism..Has anyone answer for this ? 😮
K sometimes mentions right eating and a sensitivity necessary for love to come about. I don't think i've heard him really go into this, it's not mentioned that often.
People who has experienced nightmares could understand him. People who has never experienced nightmares after listening to him, could start having nightmares. Therefore there's a possibility of awakening. If you are awake then don't go back into dreaming of attaining enlightenment. Just watch and enjoy life :D you're free.
Hey, can you please explain why you say this, I have started getting nightmares lately but I thought its probably a coincidence. Your comment has made me very curious
this man amazes me. the only problem i have is how is one supposed to quiet mind and forget everything and leave everything behind but then remember this book/ things he has taught? i am not being sarcastic i just don’t understand/ know the method how to 😞
and how is one not to be conditioned if they take the approach to learn it and use it, once again i’m not being sarcastic there is obviously an approach, this man is just a genuis.
the mental chatter will carry on as to what have learnt reading his books/ listening otherwise would you not forget the knowledge/ if not is that not being conditioned when hear/ see again. i really am not bejng sarcastic sorry if it comes across like that. it is to intellectual for my brain to understand.
@@KezzaEfc The only thing stopping you from attaining a quiet mind is your attachment to wanting to persevere the knowledge you've attained and also the actual desire itself. surely a quiet mind sounds wonderful but would you be able to handle everything you lose in order to attain it - including your ambitious mind and desires? buddhism also gives more insight on a 'quiet mind', if you're interested in knowing.
You do not lose your knowledge. When you are attentive it moves to the background but is still available in action. Simone Weil talked of placing one's knowledge "at a lower level." K said: "register only that which is necessary to operate in daily life - as a technician, a writer, and so on." (The Wholeness of Life p.144.)
That's a good start... Suzuki Shunryu :"if you think you understand, that's a sure sign, you don't..."! Cf. Zen mind, beginner's mind. Also, one of the following captions of JK on the subject, is entitled : "Start meditation, not knowing..." Might be of interest and help, to you...
What is order in broken families? Refugees? And so on.. how is to create anything? Occupied mind responsibility ugly… then what? A mind occupied is destructive
I think J KRISHNAMURTI’S Meditation looks illogical sometimes. How anyone can do without focusing on anything ? If you don’t focus on anything and allow thoughts and feelings it will run over us. Atleast focus on space is good. By allowing any emotion and thoughts indirectly feel by us.
🙏Thank you infinitely .....number 0 - is important I understand how genius and sense way to explain so difficult and you do masterpiece explanation my consciousness is relaxing and enjoying like spiritual food ....🙏🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
