Meet Minnesota’s $500-Million... 🚍 BUS???

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Half a billion dollars sounds a little crazy when you hear it's for a BUS route. Join me on a trip to the Twin Cities, and let's look at all the BUS RAPID TRANSIT routes (Minnesota has a lot of them!) And see how this might end up being a really good deal for Minnesota financially.
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Time sections:
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Introduction (0:00)
Light Rail is Expensive (0:33)
BRT is Cheaper to Build (2:13)
Arterial BRT (3:10)
Freeway BRT (7:57)
Mall of America (9:14)
Guideway BRT (9:59)
Good Doesn't Have to Be Expensive (10:52)

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@RogueNationVideos 3 месяца назад

Your 0 degrees Celsius/Fahrenheit/Kelvin joke was highly appreciated.

@ryguy2006 3 месяца назад

Yeah and school will only delay once we reach 0K

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

The best thing about heated bus stops is that it gives the homeless somewhere to flock when it's cold.

@LaserFur 3 месяца назад

of course the true Minnesota joke is that -40 does not need to specify C of F.

@eaglescout1984 3 месяца назад

I legitimately laughed at that.

@johanlugthart7782 3 месяца назад

The degree symbol before the kelvin was a miss, but beside that is was indeed nice.

@shingshongshamalama 3 месяца назад

You know why this is a good idea? Because you're basically building light rail infrastructure in advance. In a few decades when the economic growth helped by your bus services enables the municipality to afford it, you can just replace those "arterial buses" with trams and light rail without having to fuck about with routing.

@Quidisi 3 месяца назад

Yeah, I was hoping he might bring up that fact. I wonder if the roads and bridges are being built in such a way as to allow easy transition to rail - already having accounted for load bearing, etc?

@miles5600 3 месяца назад

@@Quidisibridges nowadays are way overly designed so I’m pretty sure they thought about that, they’ll be able to screw the railway sleepers into the concrete and they’d be done, only the parts that have asphalt would need to be removed for track laying.

@major__kong 3 месяца назад

If you're overbuilding the infrastructure to support later use by rail, you don't realize the cost savings that caused them to go with BRT to begin with. I seriously doubt those overpasses could really support any type of rail.

@taragwendolyn 3 месяца назад

as long as bus service is properly funded... the city I live in (Ottawa, Ontario) has had a system very similar to what they're building for decades. I was riding light rail & taking transitway bus routes (dedicated bus-only roads like they're building in this video) when I was in university 20 years ago. Today through constant fare increases and an absolute refusal from council to actually use tax dollars to fund the transit system, our bus system has become a national embarrassment that anybody who has the option actively avoids taking. I've got a choice, now, between a 45-minute bus ride to work or a 20-minute drive. parking's only $5 more than taking the bus both ways, and they've got free charging for my EV. I *really* want more people to take the bus, but it's a really hard case to make here

@marklittle8805 3 месяца назад

@@major__kongLIght rail is likely not much more weight per square foot than buses. Most BRTs are there to be the first step for a LRT

@jakeedits312 3 месяца назад

Here in Minnesota we have 3 seasons: winter, skeeter, and construction

@brackpin 3 месяца назад

You forgot mud.

@lizcademy4809 3 месяца назад

Two seasons: snow removal and road repair. And the guy who visited last May ... that's right between the two seasons, so the roads are at their very worst. We can get frosts and freezes into May, so the road crews don't start until late May or June.

@jakeedits312 3 месяца назад

@@ShelterDogs take a trip down I-494 near Bloomington or I-94 North of the cities

@RoadGuyRob 3 месяца назад

It was darn near perfect when I was filming last September. Sounds like I lucked out!

@Aliceintraining 3 месяца назад

Meanwhile Chicago only has winter and construction.

@kailahmann1823 3 месяца назад

The true "magic" of a BRT is really the option to combine "being fast" and "being everywhere" with the same vehicle: You can circle though the suburb and then take the fastest route into the city.

@joeblow5214 3 месяца назад

YES. That combined with the fact it's cheaper and faster to train bus drivers, it's easier to find and hire diesel mechanics, busses are cheaper to buy up front the railway equipment. Busses often share mechanical parts with other commercial vehicles. BRT is very smart. Plus the infrastructure can be used by other city services like garbage, fire/ems, police etc without specialty equipment.

@travcollier 3 месяца назад

The eye-watering cost per mile figures for rail projects are mostly because of a few extremely expensive segments (eg. through a downtown). BRT can just operate as a normal bus over those segments and have dedicated lanes everywhere else. The dream (which might eventually come true) in a lot of those places is to reduce car traffic lanes, so more folks using the buses actually enables converting to bus lanes and maybe even more space for pedestrian and cycle infrastructure.

@KevinJDildonik 3 месяца назад

Bruh. "We only have hammers, let's turn transit into nails". Sigh. (Pulls out an Engineering 101 manual). Let's take it from the top.

@germanmosca 3 месяца назад

@@joeblow5214 As you said: Cheaper to buy up front, a Light rail vehicle is over all cheaper though. And you can also run them on normal streets as a tram. On top of that, you have a much smoother ride with light-rail and trams, which increases the acceptance of it a lot more, and does in fact increase ridership.

@RobertBloomquist 3 месяца назад

@@germanmosca In my experience, running in mixed traffic is a *huge* drawback, and most of the advantages in reliability and frequency of BRT comes from separating out transit from other modes as much as possible.

@josephsager9425 3 месяца назад

Bro, they let you film that drone footage in downtown Minneapolis?! You must be very good - the wind tunnel effect is intense.

@amylaneio 3 месяца назад

He did say it was the scariest drone flight he'd ever done.

@mathboy_ 3 месяца назад

It's such a great shot, he did an awesome job!

@giantasparagus 2 месяца назад

under 400ft?

@hardwearjunkie 3 месяца назад

The last comment of "Don't let your tool mold your service needs" should be echoed across not just the region but the nation (United States). In my neck of the woods the city has not been looking at multiple types of busses beyond the express and "local" routes. The Twin cities have learned from their initial outing and worked to improve their infrastructure and that is a breath of fresh air.

@p1mason 3 месяца назад

My city runs what they call "open BRT". That means they have BRT trunks built to the highest standard shown in the video. But all along this trunk BRT line, "arterial BRT" lines branch off the main trunk. The end result is about fifty different BRT lines, each with "arterial BRT" for part of the route and "guide way BRT" for the remainder. And with so many lines sharing the trunk route, it gets a bus every 10-15 seconds in peak. Because all the buses serve a significant amount of the trunk, it means that passengers just travelling along the trunk will catch whatever line comes along first - meaning they have almost no wait. However, because quite a few passengers want to continue on to one of the branch lines, plenty of passengers will wait for a particular line instead of catching the first bus. This really helps alleviate bunching.

@meowtherainbowx4163 3 месяца назад

Wow, what city is this?

@PrograError 3 месяца назад

@@meowtherainbowx4163 sounds like São Paulo or Jakarta, two of the more successful BRT systems worldwide

@MarloSoBalJr 3 месяца назад

@@PrograErrorBogota as well

@azert52b39 3 месяца назад

Where I'm from it's known as "Bus at high level of service" .

@trademark4537 3 месяца назад

Seems very inefficient. Encouraging transfers allows better suburban service and saves operators which is a much needed thing with many agencies operator shortage.

@jaredpaulsen3 3 месяца назад

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Road guy rob could make drying paint entertaining and engaging. Thanks for what you do!!

@RoadGuyRob 3 месяца назад

You're kind, Jared. Thank you!

@jaredpaulsen3 3 месяца назад

@@RoadGuyRob i find myself eagerly awaiting each video, and what should i care about road design? but man your production quality is top tier, and every subject you seem to make interesting. Just saying great job, keep doing what your doing man!

@mattbourque9293 3 месяца назад

I was a skeptic of BRT before I moved to Minneapolis, but I got on board pretty quick. The Twin Cities are seriously building out an impressive network of BRT and it allows folks to easily live cheaply car-free, all while still putting many suburban destinations within reach.

@carlmorgan8452 3 месяца назад

Soon you will be broke and happy 🙃

@needsmetal 3 месяца назад

@@carlmorgan8452we already are in minnesota

@tHebUm18 3 месяца назад

As a fellow Twin Cities resident, skeptical about living easily car free but good to hear it's working for you! Still think NYC is the only city I would be content to live in car free in North America, we've got a big gap to close vs the rest of the world.

@quantum_vortex_ 3 месяца назад

@@carlmorgan8452 you can actually save loads by not owning a car, no insurance, payment, or gas cost, just transit passes and maybe a bike.

@itsdenada 3 месяца назад

@@carlmorgan8452 Freedom is when the closest Walmart is a 20 minute drive away

@guillaumerinfret3252 3 месяца назад

I passed the information to my neighbor here in Québec city, Canada. We are at this cross-road. Half the population wants a fancy Tramway at ANY cost, the other half wants more roads for their vehicules and cry 'War on Cars!" if we take a single parking space in the city-center.

@cycloid2326 3 месяца назад

A tram would be a better option if done right, as it costs much less than a BRT in the long term and would act as a transit anchor for the city. Plus, BRT projects often suffer from what’s known as “BRT creep” where as the project progresses, more and more BRT features (level boarding, signal priority, off-board fare payment, dedicated lanes, etc.) are removed to cut costs until you end up with a bus with a slightly fancier paint job and slightly more spaced out stations.

@Canleaf08 3 месяца назад

A tramway is not only fancy but more useful to have cars in the historic city everywhere.

@timothyjohnston4083 3 месяца назад

Just look at Ottawa, Ont. They built a BRT network decades ago, including fancy "Transitways". Now almost all has been converted to light-rail - the O-Train. The BRT just was not future-proof enough to handle population and traffic growth. Besides, Quebec City already has BRT. It is called the Metro-bus. The reason they want to build a tramway network is because the Metro-bus system is at or even beyond capacity. While improvements are and can be done to help increase the QUALITY of the service (ie: bus lanes, priority traffic signals, etc.), there is very little more that can be done to improve the QUANTITY of service -- they can never add enough buses to meet future demand. Far better to build the light-rail/tramway network now than in 20 years when costs will be double or triple. Also, when it comes to labour costs, the light-rail is cheaper per passenger. While a bus might carry upwards of 80-90+ passengers (depending to the type); a light-rail train can carry several times that many. (see the video by RM Transit on Light-rail vs bus) BTW, I live in the Quebec City area and I have family in Ottawa so I am quite familiar with both cities.

@barvdw 3 месяца назад

@@cycloid2326 a BRT can be a stepping stone, if done right. But I agree, in the long term, LRT is better, or in certain cases, regional rail (frankly, I'm not 100% convinced the green line is the best mode between Minneapolis and St Paul, this should have been a higher level of rail service.) That said, if the choice is between something imperfect or nothing, I'll probably choose the imperfect solution.

@cycloid2326 3 месяца назад

@@barvdw considering that the current plan is to build the French-style modern tram, I’d say just stick with that and don’t downgrade it to a BRT

@BlazeBacon 3 месяца назад

Biggest problem with BRT is they suffer from the success of emulating a train but lack the capacity and ease of adding more capacity trains have. Not easy to drive a 8 cab long bus, and it costs lots of money to hire more bus drivers

@Notabot1310 3 месяца назад

For the Guideway BRT they could just slap on the rail tracks since all of the bridges and paths have been already built, the existing bus stations would just need to be upgraded. For the other 2 options maybe a street car system since they know that it's a profitable route. They can just add the rails onto the roads.

@bend8353 3 месяца назад

Minneapolis will never have that kind of ridership. Even the light rail runs mostly empty

@milliedragon4418 3 месяца назад

@@Notabot1310 are you from the UK? I almost never hear anyone mention this from the urbanist/transportation YT channel. I think the Guided busways are awesome. What I like about them is that they're kind of good in between a light rail and the flexibility of a bus. If anyone talks about guided bus ways, it's usually the autonomous trackless ones.

@FullLengthInterstates 3 месяца назад

Unless you have a fully automated metro (not possible on street running trams), the driver cost is kind of moot. To maintain the best frequency you would need to hire as many drivers anyway. Longer trains are for if the city is truly planning to lineify and really build up the density along a key corridor.

@blubase06 3 месяца назад

@@bend8353 Because it's so short and doesn't have many drop off points. Why take the light rail when a bus can drop you off with in a block of your destination? The light rail is superior Yes but very expensive

@AverytheCubanAmerican 3 месяца назад

When done right with leading to a decrease in car dependency and thus less traffic and a more environmentally-friendly alternative with walkable, bike-friendly, and transit-oriented communities, then a light-rail or tram system can be a wonderful thing for cities! My favorite North American light-rail system is the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail because it has been so successful for several reasons. Much of the HBLR is grade-separated, even in downtown Jersey City except for street-running on Essex Street. Much of the HBLR is repurposed ROW (which saves money), though the downtown JC segment was built brand-new. At-grade crossings are equipped with transit-signal priority signals to automatically change traffic lights in favor of the light rail! The HBLR has several connections to other services whether it's NJ Transit commuter rail at Hoboken Terminal, PATH, dollar van/jitneys, NJT buses, or NY Waterway ferries! The HBLR goes where people want to go whether it's the Newport Centre shopping mall downtown, Hoboken, Liberty Science Center at Liberty State Park, or the New Jersey City University campus by West Side Ave! And more importantly, the HBLR has been a catalyst for both residential and commercial development along its route and has played a significant role in the revitalization of Hudson County. In what were once vacant and underutilized areas have transformed with intense residential and mixed-use development thanks to HBLR stops being built. The PATH system which connects NYC with Hoboken, Jersey City, Harrison, and Newark have also played a role. Both leading to lots of TOD and pedestrianization in downtown JC and Hoboken, not to mention Citi Bike infrastructure by HBLR and PATH stations too! And the West Side Ave portion being extended to the new Bayfront development complex revives the ROW further, with new TOD, with much of it affordable housing!

@Azeria 3 месяца назад

My city has the best busses in the UK outside of London. A large part of that is the experience of not having to worry about being late if you miss _one_ specific bus, a ‘once every 5/10/15 minutes’ bus service is invaluable to getting people riding.

@Shelleloch 2 месяца назад

Let me take a guess, one with a lot of maroon in its branding? If so, we used to live there and I can concur its bus network is absolutely fantastic, and with the rider numbers especially during peak months and inability to add something like subway stops, utterly invaluable.

@Azeria 2 месяца назад

@@Shelleloch nope, Nottingham City Transport

@drdewott9154 3 месяца назад

I do feel like a lot of the cost concerns also come down to more US specific issues, since even BRT projects in the US are much more expensive than in other countries. I mean here in Denmark, the city of Odense (pop. 181k) opened a brand new 9 mile long light rail line across the city in 2022, for around the same price tag that a BRT line would cost in the US. And for another comparison, both New York City and Copenhagen are working on light rail routes across their respective city's suburbs. And the one on New York is slated to be 5 times more expensive than the one in Copenhagen, despite being nearly 5 miles shorter! Its everything from ability to aqquire land, to the way construction is tendered, to infrastructure design, to the influence of consultancy groups, and many more.

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

_Anything_ the government pays for in the United States tends to be much more expensive because everyone loves to fleece the taxpayer. This is the single reason why healthcare is so expensive here as well.

@MarloSoBalJr 3 месяца назад

@jovetj It's called union labor. No matter what, any project paid for by the government comes down to bids, and said bids encounter union memberships who will squeeze every dollar & time to build it. A blessing & curse 🤷🏾

@drdewott9154 3 месяца назад

@@MarloSoBalJr Buddy most of the labour pool over here is unionized and we still get much cheaper bids and construction costs, so you cant blame Unions on this bucko.

@joeblow5214 3 месяца назад

@@drdewott9154 In the U.S. you can. Plenty of political relationships with city leadership and lots of scandals to bare this out.

@TheNobleFive 3 месяца назад

@joeblow5214 10% of the US workforce is in a union, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2023. Down from 20% in the 1983. 10.7% of Construction Industry employees are unionized. Even though these scandals are true, are Unions really the largest bearers of blame for the high cost of major infrastructure projects in the US, or is there more going on than that?

@jiffyb333 3 месяца назад

Oh snap that is super exciting! As much as I would love to see more rail being built It definitely makes more sense to build what transit makes the most sense economically and serve the people now with what you can build rather than trying to force something that isn't supported. Signal priority and dedicated lanes go a long way in making this more viable, especially during rush hour!

@PhyzinicStudios 3 месяца назад

I'm a Minnesota native who traveled to Boston recently. The silver line that services Logan Int'l has BRTs as well, and they work! It felt cleaner and safer than riding a normal community bus. I'm excited for the prospect of them being built at home.

@bbqturtle 3 месяца назад

saying the silver line works is a bit of an overstatement. Often times between busses is 30-45 minutes, and to get from downtown to the airport often takes 45 minutes (it's like 3 miles)

@InternetKilledTV21 3 месяца назад

HA a bus in Boston working. Thank you I needed the laugh.

@Roccondil 3 месяца назад

@@InternetKilledTV21 the silver line tends to be about as reliable as the rest of the regular rail subway lines. I don't doubt the rest of the regular bus lines are quite laughable; I don't ever take them, though, since the subway has been enough for me to commute through Boston on.

@pfcrow 3 месяца назад

Yes, I was going to post about that, as well. I believe the Silver Line was put in as part of the Big Dig. It was originally planned to be a regular subway line, but was switched to BRT as the Big Dig costs exploded. It originally had a weird mix of dedicated and shared roadways, and it switches from electric with overhead wires to diesel in the middle of the trip between the airport and South Station, but in the last few years, they've switched to diesel-electric hybrids with enough battery range to run electric-only through the tunnels. As a traveller, it's quite convenient that there's no toll to board at the airport, and then you can go by subway anywhere in the system.

@hwertz10 Месяц назад

When I was in Seattle, it was fascinating. They have these busses, but they had started to build a subway system so in a few spots it hopped onto some tracks and got power from them; they had a few ex-trolley line setups so it popped a thing up and got power from THAT. It ran electric at those points, and it was propane or LPG or something the rest of the time. It was rather clever, it used all the parts of light rail they had started to build; instead of leaving them abandoned, or having some train line with like 1-2 lines then seperate bus system, it meant it was all nicely integrated together.

@allysoncygan5110 25 дней назад

As someone that takes public transit everywhere in the Twin Cities the A Line is by far my favorite way to get anywhere. It’s super easy, reliable, and the stops feel really thoughtful in terms of places I’d want to stop. It also works well in conjunction with the rest of the transit options.

@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un 3 месяца назад

When it comes to North American light-rail systems, a pretty great one is the St. Louis MetroLink! Serves both the Illinois and Missouri sides! Serves places like St. Louis Lambert International Airport, IKEA at Cortex, Scott Air Force Base in Illinois, Busch Stadium at Stadium station, Amtrak and the Enterprise Center arena at Civic Center, and of course the Gateway Arch (which you can get an amazing view of from Laclede's Landing station). Much of MetroLink is a reused rail right of way, like the Eads Bridge which is the oldest bridge on the whole Mississippi River! When they were constructing the underground stations downtown, the tunnel was already there, using the St Louis Freight Tunnel. So with a lot of grade-separation, the Blue and Red Lines of MetroLink is basically a light metro, or a light-rail that acts like a subway! On the Red Line, trains use the former Wabash/Norfolk & Western Railroad's Union Depot line that once brought passenger trains from Ferguson to Union Station. When the Red Line makes a stop at the Delmar Loop station, it is located just below the original Wabash Railroad's Delmar Station building! On the Blue Line, it follows a former Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis (TRRA)/Rock Island railroad right of way. When they were constructing Skinker and University City-Big Bend stations, they faced opposition because that section was gonna be street-running, so they opted to build them underground! So thanks to NIMBYs, they ironically made the Blue Line a better and quicker service through no street-running!

@oldmanwinter63 3 месяца назад

I live in MPLS and I honestly had no idea about how all this worked!! Thanx Rob!!

@ugochukwueze496 3 месяца назад

This drone view is beautiful. 6:50 Well done.

@Alactriann 3 месяца назад

My city is building out its first BRT lines right now. I didn't really understand them so this was really helpful to watch! I feel much more favorable about them now.

@MaximumPasta 3 месяца назад

4:00 - Poor Mary is about to get a bunch of phone calls LOL

@automation7295 3 месяца назад

I guess you also say poor cops/fire fighters/paramedics is about to get a bunch of phone calls when you see 911 on police cars/fire trucks/ambulances.

@MaximumPasta 3 месяца назад

@@automation7295 Little bit of a different situation, but thanks for your insight there.

@mikefarrington7141 3 месяца назад

Fun fact (pedantic note): You don't use º with Kelvin.

@ryanisaacson118 3 месяца назад

That was fun😊

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

It's okay. It doesn't _quite_ get to 0 K or 0°R in Minneapolis, either.

@PrograError 3 месяца назад

@@jovetj well… 0 K is −273.15 °C / −459.67 °F. We'd be in an ice age, like in Snowpiecer… freezing our butts off even on the Equator.

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

@@PrograError That... was the joke.

@ebnertra0004 3 месяца назад

@@jovetjyeah, you have to get outside the Cities for that

@Labergemusic 3 месяца назад

You make me love public transport so much. I don't know why but man I need this content in my life.

@royalogic 3 месяца назад

Nice to see more info on these projects than I could dig up for a while

@moth.monster 3 месяца назад

BRT just feels like an excuse to lay the groundwork for an actual rail line without having to convince NIMBYs to pay for it all at once. But I can appreciate it for that.

@LiamMcBride 3 месяца назад

I think they want to upgrade them to proper LRT in the future and are using this to get the foundation there

@0106johnny Месяц назад

Yup, once they have the dedicated lanes and the bridges and stuff all there it's a lot easier to get support for light rail

@stanhry Месяц назад

It is also right sizing the system . Rail is great for higher capacity but empty trains lead to less frequency. If the buses route are overcrowded then those are the routes to upgrade.

@SneaktheWolf 3 месяца назад

Great to see a city built public transit and build proper stations

@jared_per 3 месяца назад

And thinking about how to make busses not get stuck in the same traffic you'd be in if you drove anyway

@jgood005 3 месяца назад

True, but maintenance is essential as well. Mechanical failure and vandalism are persistent problems.

@SneaktheWolf 3 месяца назад

@@jgood005 that is bound to happen to light rail and busses to none is truly safe from vandalism

@falsemcnuggethope Месяц назад

The stations should be where people live, though. Now they're inside a car sewer.

@goldengep 3 месяца назад

Welcome to the Twin Cities! I'd always hoped you'd come here and do a video on the Gold Line.

@danielandthebusiness 3 месяца назад

EXCELLENT VIDEO! I live not far from where they are building the new BRT in Rancho Cucamonga CA, this enlightened me to hopefully what our service could be. Thanks!

@tamasjakaba2941 3 месяца назад

Such a great concept. Thanks for sharing Rob!

@AverytheCubanAmerican 3 месяца назад

As others have stated, the great thing about building the BRT this way is that it's easy to convert to a light-rail line when they're ready! It's not the first time bus infrastructure was future-proofed for light-rail conversion! Seattle did the same thing with the Downtown Seattle Transit Tunnel. Before they built the tunnel, there were different proposals for a rapid transit line, with the most significant in the 1960s. For the first attempt in February 1968 when voters were asked to provide 385 million, it narrowly passed by 50.8 percent but fell short of the required 60 percent supermajority. A second attempt in May 1970 when voters were asked for 440 million, it failed with 46 percent, and the federal money was instead given to Atlanta for MARTA. Despite this, they still planned for a bus tunnel in 1974 that could potentially become a light-rail line. When the bus tunnel was opened in 1990, they already installed light rail tracks in anticipation, however they had to be replaced when the tracks were later found to be poorly insulated and unusable. And there was a scandal during the tunnel's construction when it was discovered in 1989 that the granite was quarried in South Africa despite a boycott of South African goods by the King County Metro Council at the time. For several years, service in the tunnel was provided exclusively by dual-mode buses, which ran as trolleybuses in the tunnel and diesel buses on city streets. Putting buses in the tunnel meant less traffic on city streets! The dual-mode trolleybuses were replaced by hybrid electric buses to prepare for the light-rail. And when the light-rail opened in 2009, the tunnel had unique operations where buses and the light-rail shared it (Pittsburgh's Mount Washington Tunnel still has shared bus/light-rail operations)! That is until 2019 when Convention Place station was sold to the Washington State Convention Center for redevelopment, closing the tunnel to buses two years earlier than the scheduled closure of 2021 (which was meant to coincide with the Northgate Link expansion). Making the tunnel light-rail only.

@TessHKM 3 месяца назад

It doesn't actually sound like it's "easy" to convert if the only place that has successfully done it is the crazy progressive (complimentary) capital of the US, and even then it took 30 years to barely happen.

@xChaleur 3 месяца назад

I completely understand why you were scared during that drone flight. You are the real one for risking it. Underrated af.

@titaniumfire3957 2 месяца назад

absolutely amazing video, as a Twin cities metro resident I didn't even know about this project. I'm so glad you covered it.

@dirtfpv 3 месяца назад

As always, the production value in your videos rivals that of people who have been doing it for many more years. Proud to be a Patron.

@BruceAngus 3 месяца назад

The brt in Pittsburgh is better than it's train, coming from someone that used both daily. Hopefully though, if they are building new bridges and roads for their gold line, they are also adding a separated bike lane to it

@kenbrown2808 3 месяца назад

MSP's light rail is excellent within its limitations. when we were there, i was $2.00 for 4 hours, or $4.00 until midnight. no train schedule, the next train is due within 10 minutes.

@jasondbaker 3 месяца назад

Was your experience pre-covid? The safety of the lrt system really declined over the past few years, especially when they removed many of the transit cops. You couldn’t pay me to take the green line at night anymore.

@daytch9485 3 месяца назад

Don't forget your 2 dollar ride is more like 60 dollars

@kenbrown2808 3 месяца назад

@@daytch9485 which makes it an excellent value for the money.

@joshbutts3143 3 месяца назад

no one ever talks about highways costing money. why is this criticism only reserved for mass transit projects?

@travisminneapolis 3 месяца назад

Maybe because highways are paid for by the fuel cars consume? Instead of tolls, the gas tax funds the roads.

@joshbutts3143 3 месяца назад

@@travisminneapolis i understand your point, but that is still tax dollars. I just think its weird no one complains about the tax dollars spent on roads. Just because i buy gas doesnt mean i endorse spending tax money on highway widening. i buy gas because i live in oklahoma and the only way to get around is by car.

@TeoSivanich 2 месяца назад

@@travisminneapolisyou are aware that oil is heavily subsidized in the US, correct?

@operator8014 Месяц назад

Because a highway can handle millions of travelers per day while costing about 1 million per mile, instead of thousands of travelers while costing 20 million per mile, so the price per user is about 0.001% as high. Meaning the cost of road infrastructure is relatively insignificant compared to nearly all other forms.

@TeoSivanich Месяц назад

@@operator8014 made up numbers

@UDIHQ 3 месяца назад

Wow!!! Wonderful vid, good editing, good shots with drone. Best damn subtitle editing I’ve seen!! Definitely subbed

@ltpinecone 2 месяца назад

I am definitely subscribing! This was great, wish we had more of this type of transit up here in NH.

@michaelcavalier8750 Месяц назад

$500M for 10 miles is a bargain compared to the Los Angeles area metro rail system. When I checked a while back, it was $350M PER MILE. And yet the roads were still packed because the metro rail system is impractical for most people. Metro rail system only work out financially in highly dense areas, like Manhattan.

@Tiger_Li 3 месяца назад

Sick drone shot!

@rrahh8789 Месяц назад

Not gonna lie. This is impressive. I see a lot of potential in this. Well done Minneapolis. Well done.

@BurleyBoar 3 месяца назад

THE ALGORYTHM! Another great video and excellent BRT primer. Thank you.

@petergerdes1094 3 месяца назад

Is the high end BRT system only cheaper because of more companies that know how to build roads? Isn't that potentially self-defeating in the long term given they have some light rail?

@PrograError 3 месяца назад

It's easier to create the service from ground up, but a lot harder to upgrade later on to light rail or subway since BRT is only good for medium capacity & frequency services unless they play some tricks it wouldn't last when it has subway crunch load.

@joeblow5214 3 месяца назад

Not only that, but you also can use the buses elsewhere in the system, the mechanical parts for busses are often the same as other commercial vehicles and there are a lot of people trained in maintenance of those compared to rail ROW and rail locomotives. Bus drivers can also be trained faster and are cheaper. (High turnover job) and the infrastructure can easily be used by other city services without specialized equipment.

@veryrealpersonwhoisreal 3 месяца назад

We are also working on two rail expansion projects right now. Perhaps they were concerned about capacity with the contractors available in the area. Additionally, since much of the route is on exclusive roadway, we might be able to retrofit some light rail in the future. A lack of ability to build more additional rail at the moment, while certainly disappointing, does not seem entirely implausible to me.

@xouxoful 3 месяца назад

If you build a light rail line only to have 20m long vehicles on it, then BRT is a better idea. The added value of rail is leveraging the ability to have vehicles longer than buses : 30, 40, 60m and even multiple units coupled.

@KrustyKrabPizza22 3 месяца назад

@@veryrealpersonwhoisrealSt paul is also considering a pretty big street car line connecting Union Depot to MSP, and MOA along 7th street

@aselwyn1 3 месяца назад

Ottawa was a big user of BRT with dedicated transit ways many years ago. now they have the funds and are able to upgrade everything to LRT

@aselwyn1 3 месяца назад

they close a entire station because the elevators don't work? wtf clearly there are stairs people can use too

@ShaneDane12 3 месяца назад

Great video as always!

@absea7918 3 месяца назад

In Seattle, after losing funding for heavy rail in the 70's (that went to build MARTA), they built tunnel beneath the downtown core for busses. 30 years later, it was converted to handle busses and Light Rail. Hopefully the bridges will be designed for future LRT.

@Deckzwabber 3 месяца назад

I'm glad to hear of a major metropolis catching up to my provincial city of around 200.000 people

@lilylute1248 3 месяца назад

Transit in Minneapolis when I lived there was significantly worse than transit in Trollhättan when I lived there, which has 60k people ;_;

@Sam-qd7ow 3 месяца назад

So people get mad when america doesn’t fund transit, then when we shell out millions, people still make fun of us? Jesus, it’s impossible to win with europeans.

@travisminneapolis 3 месяца назад

First time I've found your channel, love the humor - b-roll and interviews.

@b3108 Месяц назад

What impresses me as an outsider is that the early drawbacks (including cost) of light rail have not stopped the work for an expanded rapid transit, even if by another mode.

@magiliangaming 3 месяца назад

AND you fly/get your own drone shots.. theres no reason not to love this channel

@LordLaroyalty 3 месяца назад

I love seeing anything about Light Rail, Commuter Rail, nature crossings, High Speed Rail, BRT with bus lanes, different types of intersections (like Diverging Diamond Interchanges, Single Point Urban Interchanges, Continuous Flow Intersections, J turn Intersections, roundabouts, Dogbone Interchanges, new highways, traffic lights, bike lanes, infrastructure, etc. And hopefully one day, teleportation. I love hearing about anything new that can affect us while driving and anything that can help us get anywhere faster. Whether that means teleportation or High Speed Rail. SO GLAD you added that in about the blue Light Rail line's railroad crossing, even though that isn't indoors.

@FullLengthInterstates 3 месяца назад

That freeway BRT is why having grade separation and space for extra lanes is so important. It becomes super easy, both in terms of construction and politically to deliver high quality regional service.

@hopjeremy 3 месяца назад

Love how our Adopt-a-Stop was featured in your video. Great presentation about Twin Cities transit.

@ovidiusnaso602 3 месяца назад

Why does a broken elevator close the station? Aren't there stairs??

@attackofthelumbie9029 3 месяца назад

I'd assume it has to be accessible for everyone which would bring forth the question, why is there no ramp?

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

@@attackofthelumbie9029 Ramps require a lot of space, a large footprint. They probably didn't have the space.

@MarloSoBalJr 3 месяца назад

@qwertyfff Yes, but I-35W & Lake Station is NOT accessible to the street (Lake Street) below the expressway, so the busses deploying a W/C patron is redundant cos where are they gonna go?

@xAciasx 3 месяца назад

@@attackofthelumbie9029 In germany, ramps in public spaces are only allowed to be a maxium of 6%, so 6 cm heightgain over 1 meter of length. If the ramp is longer than 6 meters, there needs to be a rest area of 150 cm by 150 cm. Good luck trying to get a ramp going up to that station with that in mind.

@RoadGuyRob 3 месяца назад

Metro Transit didn't want a disabled rider marooned on the upper deck on the station with no way down to the street. So they made the bus exit the freeway and use a street-level station. Which worked out well for me, so I could have video to show you that.

@KirkNorthrop 3 месяца назад

Wow, a bus every ten minutes you say! Surely this is an unheard of frequency! Yours from the UK.

@goatgamer001 Месяц назад

The railway station / bus hub inside a parking is a W

@jaybouchard5997 Месяц назад

Consistency great videos road guy Rob My favorite account in RU-vid You’re grown my interest in transit and interstates 🛣️

@hsngm33 3 месяца назад

4:50 When you said running a lot of busses, i thought you were going to say something like every 1-5 minutes, 10 minutes is really not uniquely frequent lol

@MonEyRuLess 3 месяца назад

My thoughts too! 'Very frequent service' -> SOMETIMES as often as TEN minutes I'm not saying they should just run more busses if those lines don't need them, but it's certainly not very frequent.

@laurencefraser 3 месяца назад

Ehh, Reliable 10 minute intervals is at the low end of 'frequent enough that you don't have to plan your schedule around the time table if the bus is your main method of transport'. 15-30 minutes is 'quite usable, but the bus timetable is going to be dictating most of your schedule any day you need to travel'. Less frequently... well, up to every couple of hours can be all right if you're headed to the next town over or the like and it's a trip you make maybe once a week and are going to be there for a large chunk of the day. Once or twice a day? ... yeah, that better be at least an all day trip to a completely different city where you're going to be Staying for a few days before you come back... ... ... and should really probably be a train.

@lukasg4807 3 месяца назад

A bus showing up every 10 minutes seems pretty fast

@hsngm33 3 месяца назад

@@lukasg4807 10 minutes is just an average baseline functional bus frequency, its certainly nothing impressive or special

@hsngm33 3 месяца назад

@@MonEyRuLess yeah, its ok frequency, just not anything special or something to advertise, its just the baseline normal frequency

@zpoppe 3 месяца назад

That's great, progress ,

@BIGJR42 3 месяца назад

Your such an amazing Chanel on RU-vid! I always look forward to seeing you and your videos. You do amazing work and it's educational I love it and, public transportation and urban engineering so Cool!!!

@RoadGuyRob 3 месяца назад

Thank you so much!

@bthtzsl 2 месяца назад

Thanks for the thorough guide on bus routes!

@RoadGuyRob Месяц назад

You're welcome! It was a fun few days riding the MN bus system. Thanks for your support, @bthtzsl!

@valmikg1 3 месяца назад

Rochester, MN will be installing a BRT in the next few years. Come visit!

@themangix357 3 месяца назад

They should color their busses accordingly to the line color. If not, then make the strips along the busses colored accordingly.l

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

That is discriminatory towards colorblind people. 😏

@PrograError 3 месяца назад

@@jovetj the design and policy people can always make adjustments

@automation7295 3 месяца назад

If all they color their buses or make the strips along the buses accordingly to the line color, you realize that buses on the other lines can break down? Let's say two buses on the Green line breaks down, then you'll see two blue colored buses on the Green line.

@automation7295 3 месяца назад

Do Americans forget that buses can break down?

@Khronogi Месяц назад

Color changing leds exist people

@Devyyy 2 месяца назад

came here from the Practical Engineering channel to say hi, but this video caught me and I watched the whole thing!

@etbadaboum Месяц назад

The editing is incredible

@scottmac 3 месяца назад

The video production quality with all the drone shots and zooming in and out of the location shots is really great on this video

@joostiscool100 3 месяца назад

All his vids

@RoadGuyRob 3 месяца назад

Thanks Scott!

@zerotoux 3 месяца назад

Im baffled you’re only at 150k subs. Your content is so informative and fun! 🎉

@rdp316 3 месяца назад

Great video! I ride the aBRT A Line every day for work and I love it. One minor correction though: the Green Line opened in 2014. Construction started in 2010.

@offroadryanmb Месяц назад

Thumbs up for not following the suggested RU-vid algorithm game. Your videos are awesome!

@louiszhang3050 3 месяца назад

Road Guy Bob doing transit videos! Amazing stuff. I personally think a mistake most American cities do with transitways is only running one line on it. In other countries, they build a transit way and run 10 - 15 routes on it to speed up normal bus journeys with 1 - 2 minute headways. That way you're making the best use out of expensive concrete and really getting those ridership numbers from bus numbers (20 - 50k riders) to rail numbers (100k - 150k)

@trademark4537 3 месяца назад

Very inefficient to have so many routes duplicating each other, especially with the operator shortages that most agencies are experiencing. No thanks

@johnmckiernan1177 Месяц назад

This is awesome! BRT is a great “starter pack” for car dependent cities to get a taste of what real, efficient, high frequency public transit looks like without having to lay down rails. I love this!!

@andrewlynch8777 2 месяца назад

Living in the twin cities and I didn’t even realize all the construction on the freeway east of St. Paul was for the gold line, that’s awesome! Love everything my city is doing for transit, for from perfect but I’ll take improving

@hibbo1351 3 месяца назад

I live in Dayton's Bluff (E St Paul) and the construction is coming along for sure. I love the Twin Cities!!! Always a few cranes in the sky...progress baby!

@DMSR76 3 месяца назад

Excellent video and topic. Minneapolis-Saint Paul is way ahead of the curve.

@jameswhipp3221 3 месяца назад

The curve of stupidity. Yes. Way ahead.

@quantum_vortex_ 3 месяца назад

@@jameswhipp3221 In what way is this stupid?

@jameswhipp3221 3 месяца назад

@@quantum_vortex_ you have to ask? Obviously you are a child so I hope you learn about scarcity and resource allocation decisions at some time in the near future.

@quantum_vortex_ 3 месяца назад

@@jameswhipp3221 Hopefully you learn that public transport is more beneficial than any car infrastructure and more sustainable.

@drumset09 3 месяца назад

The really sad part is, the Twin Cities used to have an amazing network of street cars. They got torn out because of lobbyists well before the 1970s.

@SeaLeg 3 месяца назад

Seems to be the story in most cities. Imagine if we just never tore out all the street car infrastructure.

@TheReykjavik 3 месяца назад

I think it is important not to let perfect be the enemy of good enough. Fake BRT may not be ideal, it will get stuck in traffic sometimes, but giving it signal priority, dedicated lanes in even part of its route, high frequency and comfortable and safe stops, it is dramatically better than a regular bus. A regular bus is serviceable transit, lots of cities and lots of people get a lot of utility of regular busses every day, so a step up in quality from that is a really good thing.

@zfatboyisawesome 3 месяца назад

Keep these videos coming!

@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un 3 месяца назад

Mall of America is managed by the Triple Five Group, which in turn is owned by the Ghermezian family. They also own the West Edmonton Mall and the American Dream Meadowlands mall in New Jersey. The Mall of America is located on the site of the former Metropolitan Stadium where the Vikings and Twins once played. A plaque in Nickelodeon Universe commemorates the former location of home plate, and if you look carefully, there is a chair from the stadium hanging on the theme park's walls to mark the longest home run in the history of Metropolitan Stadium, a revised estimate puts it at 522 feet, by Harmon Killebrew in 1967. The American Dream Mall is notable for having an indoor ski slope which sounds dumb at first, but when you realize they're targeting those in NYC who don't or can't travel far to go skiing, it makes a lot of sense. Not to mention Mall of the Emirates in Dubai has an indoor ski slope too, but they have one because of Dubai's climate!

@Davis9754 3 месяца назад

9:48 dallas has a railroad crossing kind of similar to this one in the mall of america, where the DART red and blue line go under the convention center and crosses with botham jean blvd that is also under the building too

@beauyoung5098 19 дней назад

I believe it was Adam savage that proposed we were in the "Glass era". I would propose we currently entering the transportation era.

@Erik-qx6km 2 месяца назад

Great video! I appreciate the bus over the train. I get that it's expensive, but it does have benefits.

@HaloGT1 3 месяца назад

I love this. Since if this has proven success, we might see this kind of thing expand into other major cities. It provides reduced traffic, encourages the growth of public transit, and might even be able to provide the city with a bit of money in the long run

@KyrilPG 3 месяца назад

Where I'm from, and pretty much everywhere in Europe, BRT is only the highest option with guideway. The rest is just basic bus, even if it uses a bendy one and has nice stops equipped with shelters, canopies, etc. Basic bus already has greenlight priority and-or activation, bus lanes, etc. To reach BRT level you need proper busway dedicated right-of-way and nicer faater busses, with real schedule conformity, often increased station spacing, and almost tram-like stations. In my city, Paris, the latest BRT lines use vehicles that are more trambus than bus : double articulated, 24 meter long, electrically powered via ground recharge infrastructure. They look like trams without pantograph (the wheels and tyres are mostly hidden). The ones that drive on freeways and-or bus lanes are just simple busses. The cost mentioned in the video is the one for a tram line in Europe...

@ViktorFromDK 2 месяца назад

Another good thing with bus lanes and bus ways are that other busses (read local busses) can use them too and it's easier to adapt routes if demand changes

@SR-cm2my 3 месяца назад

Cleveland has one of these long boye buses with their own bus lanes. Loved them! Can get to the historic east side with relatively no pain. Never needed a car when I lived downtown.

@jonjohnson3027 3 месяца назад

I've advocated for Guideway BRT over light rail for years, even before anyone was doing it. I love the flexibility coupled with lower cost that it provides. If a portion of the guideway becomes impassible, it doesn't shut down the system because the buses can move to surface streets. As demand changes, service levels can be rapidly and dynamically adjusted simply by putting more buses on (or off) a route. That's much harder to do with light rail. Yes, dynamic service requires hiring more drivers for buses than for trains. But it's more responsive (easier to add buses than train cars) and the added cost of drivers is offset by not paying for moving empty train cars around or the infrastructure they require.

@KSPRAYDAD 3 месяца назад

BRT is stop gap...you're just hiding your capital outlay by moving it to operations....bus drivers every 10 minutes ain't cheap, including long term pension requirement's. A LRT is going to carry more passengers per hour at significantly less labour cost, especially on dedicated lines where driverless LRT can be used. Build the BRT but make sure you've done the infrastructure in such a way to convert to LRT without undue captial outlay. There is a reason cities that have had BRT for 20 or 30 years are now converting them to rail.

@thegrowl2210 3 месяца назад

Build grade separated rail that's automated and hire a team of ticket inspectors. Big capital outlay, big long term gains.

@Croz89 3 месяца назад

And sometimes your light rail line gets so crowded you need to bury it underground, and you get a subway!

@ReaperStarcraft 3 месяца назад

That's true, but to be fair time value of money is a real thing. Spending a billion dollars today is very different from spending 500m today and 500m over the next 10 years. It may be costlier in the long run but it gets your transportation up and working sooner and the difference isn't as big as it looks. I think you make a good point about planning ahead to convert it in the future as the next step in efficiency.

@jarjarbinks6018 3 месяца назад

This is true but Metro Light rail lines usually don’t meet the crush capacity and ridership threshold for this to be an immediate issue so the service improvements are still desirable For the most part being mode agnostic when it comes to the kind of service improvements you’re looking to make (speed, frequency, reliability) up until capacity must be considered is pretty ok for the most part Buses like the Vancouver 99-B line I think show the upper limit of service frequency and ridership possible for a regular bus line and if metro ever had such a similar bus line it would indeed be extremely advantageous to replace it with higher capacity rapid transit

@delroyl427 3 месяца назад

If you run your BRT program well, it can be very efficient and great. I have seen a few excellently BRT lines.

@MCCI89 3 месяца назад

When I moved to the Twin Cities, apart from the bus network, it was just the Blue "Hiawatha" line from MOA to Target Field. Now they have the green line that bridges Minneapolis and Saint Paul, and the existing 54 that completes the loop from Saint Paul to MOA. With the A-Line and the BRT network, the Twin Cities can have a good transit network, … but we more drivers need to find public transit a better option than driving. There is currently a multi year project on the 494 corridor from Eden Prairie to the MSP airport. I work at a restaurant nearby with staff - Delivery Drivers - that see and experience the transformation.

@petemartin6270 3 месяца назад

hope you had a good time in the Cities, Rob! i remember using the Red Line (MOA to Apple Valley) for the first time, and noticing how confusing it can be for people to meld the behavior of a train, but on a bus, in their minds. like wait, we pay before? and then just get on? thru the back door, even? but i had studied, of course 🤓

@Headgamerz 3 месяца назад

“Don’t let your tool mold your service needs, it’s the other way around. Find the tool that really works for you to meet your exact need.” Words of wisdom here.

@tigo01 3 месяца назад

"which puts BRT right in front of the houses of people who'd ride BRT"... shot of house with boarded up windows behind the bus stop @5:25 So cheeky haha :)

@rylove001 3 месяца назад

Well designed transit services easily drive up desiribilty. Someone will flip that house for a pretty penny in the future.

@mundylunes7755 3 месяца назад

@@rylove001 Forget the house, somehow turn it into a medium sized apartment block, with the convenience of transit right outside, it's perfect

@lizcademy4809 3 месяца назад

@@mundylunes7755 And they can, because we took out the restrictive single family zoning laws!

@alexanderboulton2123 3 месяца назад

I grew up in St. Paul. The BRT was...decent. I took it to the gym every day during the summer as a transfer off my local route (Route 3--a go-between for the two cities and one of the most-used non-BRT services in the Cities, itself soon to be converted to BRT). Just wish they had made it 10-minute intervals before I left for college 😂

@ssl3546 3 месяца назад

tree grates, ticket machines, schedule monitors etc. don't make the bus "rapid". "BRT" is cheaper because corners get cut.

@rodchallis8031 3 месяца назад

The City of London, Ontario has chosen option #3. As it is incomplete, it's hard to judge. However, if the point of the BRT is to see how long a construction project can be milked by contractors, it's already a resounding success.

@landonp629 Месяц назад

Bus Rapid Transit is actually a REALLY good option in place of trains and trams. It's cheaper, it's much easier to adjust capacity when needed, and with the new hybrid and even full electric buses, the carbon footprint really isn't any more than a train.

@pjbth Месяц назад

Man my city of Ottawa needs to meet with these guys

@Croz89 3 месяца назад

I guess the lack of experience in the US makes sense. If you were doing the same thing in central Europe where tram systems are a dime a dozen, you'd have no problem finding construction and maintenance companies who could build you a new tram line and maintain your trams. Plus most of the popular tram/LRV manufacturers (Alstom, Stadler, Siemens) are European.

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

It is not about a lack of experience. It's that experience costs a lot of money, and all the overhead is much higher.

@Croz89 3 месяца назад

@@jovetj But that's exactly what was said in the video, it's more expensive to build a light rail line in the US because there aren't a plethora of companies who can do it.

@PrograError 3 месяца назад

@@Croz89 TBH reading this far down I'm confident he's a troll of sorts...

@jovetj 3 месяца назад

@@Croz89 _Relative_ to roadways/highways, yes. But the trade experience itself exists here. It's not as if it's completely absent.

@joeblow5214 3 месяца назад

@PrograError He's commenting frequently in disagreement. He's a Troll! Is such a disingenuous argument born of the internet.

@sdorn 3 месяца назад

"As often as one ever 10 minutes" is NOT frequent, by world standards. 😅

@MarloSoBalJr 3 месяца назад

Depends on what specific route... I see comments all the time gloating about "Muy city runs busses every 3 minutes blah blah blah," but that is, IF you're on a frequent corridor. Yet, that particular line is probably every 20 minutes.

@PrograError 3 месяца назад

Pretty sure on average 10 mins is pretty common, in Singapore the peak hour frequency fastest is only down to a 1-3 min depending where on the line and when.

@Junimeek 3 месяца назад

yea but by US standards, 10 minutes is a godsend. in my city, over half of the bus routes have just a 60-minute frequency, and only five have a frequency higher than 20 minutes.

@kennethridesabike 3 месяца назад

I miss the 3 minute headways when I was in Taiwan. Or even the skytrain in Vancouver at times

@sdorn 3 месяца назад

@@MarloSoBalJr If Rob had put it in context, sure -- and I expected him to add, "I know that by standards of some cities, buses every 10 minutes would be horrible, but this route used to be every 30 minutes." He didn't.