For me always history class was my favorite sometimes you got too chill and just talk about stuff from the past while the teacher goes on a rant about his whole life.
I don't believe a lot of Kellogg's treatments are useful. However, some of the treatments made fun of in this video are known today to be used in modern medicine - colonic lavage, chewing food very well, light for depression to be a few. Yoghurt is often used to help with gut flora, especially after a large prescription of antibiotics.
@@The_Vible 1:23, Kellogg did not have a bike like that. 1:35 "The poor brother" is mistaken, as William Kellogg was not poor (or to be pitied). 1:41 "A highly eccentric individual" - false. 1:54 Kellogg certainly did not create the current "wellness" nonsense. 2:20 Kellogg did not invent cornflakes to prevent masturbation. . This last error is so over the top in being blatant error, that there is no more use in watching this garbage. Shame on Thoughty2 for making this error-filled video.
@@earlysda proof for the last point? it is a fact that he was seventh day adventist and strongly against sex for pleasure. It is a fact that he mutilated children. also, the seventh day adventists church promotes a plant-based diet, based on the visions of Ellen G. White which believed that some animal products cause sexual desire.
Adding to the psychopathic nature of John Kelloggs is the fact he must have known on some level that most of his beloved treatments were so much bunkum. He was very studious about avoiding taking in patients who were actually ill with genuine serious maladies, precisely to avoid potential failures. In fact, the famous African-American abolitionist Sojourner Truth spent several months in the Battle Creek Sanitarium due to the presence of sores on her legs. Kelloggs gave her the full regime of his usual treatments and then released her... whereupon she died in agony from blood poisoning, as her untreated sores had festered to the point they killed her.
There's a delicious irony of Will choosing a rooster for the mascot after winning the company from John, considering John's staunchly sex-negative attitude, and perhaps the most common synonym for rooster.
Ahhh so that's how the sugar got added. Will had control, that makes sense. As I know that John was wholly against adding sugar to it and wanted it to be as bland and uninteresting as possible. But it sold horribly and only sold to the sanitarium patients and Adventists. Will thought adding sugar would make it sell better (likely because C.W. Post had done that after stealing Kellogg's recipes) and he was absolutely right. I wondered how he managed to put that past the older crazy brother, that's how, because he had control. John would have never agreed to adding sugar to it.
I was hoping you would mention one of the most psychopathic part of Kellogg. He was a staunch supporter of eugenics which promoted the restriction of rights, sterilization, and eventually death of people with disabilities.
Believe it or not, some people in the eugenics movement saw it as a act of mercy. I don’t know if I can speak for Kellogg, but yeah, those who advocated for it could have read Scripture a little closer.
Don’t forget that this also included ethnic minorities and queer people. Because why not be the trio of ableist, homophobic and racist with the excuse of “scientific fact”
I heard that one time cornflakes were tested and it was proved you would be better off eating the box they came in! Then vitamins were added and they became a viable breakfast food.
"He was the quackiest quack who ever quacked". You used one word in superlative adjective, common noun, and intransitive verb form, and made me spray my wine all over the computer. Absolutely brilliant.
@@ryanmc2864 Sorry to disappoint, im a bad father to two girls, and probably a few random kids i left around europe, middle-east and northern africa when i spread my seed. Im basically just a malicious sadist at my worst, but at my best im an ok man who is a loyal friend. Nobody is perfect.
Most companies in the 19th century that are still around or known today have very dark histories. Morality as we know it today is a very recent phenomenon.
Kellogg's...well fun fact, there's a cereal brand in Australia called *'Sanitarium'* - it was founded by one of John Kellogg's bakers who left the company and migrated here.
Whenever I see Kelloggs corn flakes, I think "anti-masturbation food". LOL! I learned about this years ago, in a psychology class. Whenever I told my friends about corn flakes, Dr. Kellogg's daily enemas, and refusal to consumate his marriage, they looked at me like they didn't really believe me. Thank you for this video. 😄
Have you actually done any of your own research on enemas, its benefits, and the history of cornflakes? I'm not surprised your friends didn't believe you since half of what you're spouting is just nonsense.
Everyone always focuses on Kellogg while his contemporary, Purina, had the same ideas, same bizarre facilities, but with the added bonus of eugenics thrown in the mix.
As someone who grew up Seventh-day Adventist, I am amused and delighted by how many of his health theories are still practiced here. There is a literal college that still doesn't serve pepper thanks to him. And yes, I did hear the "you should chew 40 times" argument. Great stuff. Interestingly, while SDAs do still believe in the very imminent return of Christ, there is now a large emphasis on education, and LOTS of Adventists become doctors.
Says much about the state of health care today , and the attitude of some MD's , towards patients and junior staff alike - based on more than 60 years of exposure to modern medicine .
I was a Seventh Day Adventist for 18 years until I became ill and researched Ellen White and ALL her writings. She was no prophet but a fake who criticized people, didn't live up to her own statements and standards of living, nor God's word, and she plagiarized many other people all over the place, claiming ot was God who told her things. That's why her teachings on health were similar to the gurus of her day! They church has some truthful doctrines, but many FALSE. GOD led me out. Kellogg was a spiritually sick man, as well Ellen White. I spent 2 months at Uchee Pines and was treated horrible and became even more ill. I'm well now because I left the indoctrinated lies. My relationship with God is stronger than I ever had. I feel sorry for the friends that are still in that denomination.
At one point, I was very close to finishing a degree in education. Unless you are teaching at a college, you don't really get to choose what you teach. There is a curriculum you have to follow, and there are standardized tests you have to prepare students for... and it's not like they would have any time to teach anything extra, especially since the consequences of your kids not doing well on them. This is why teachers "teach for the test" and don't include anything beyond that. The school board is the one who decides what text book you use. You might have to submit lesson plans to the principal for approval (and at any time, they can decide what you are teaching shouldn't be taught). If they have a requirement for you to teach them about LGBTQ+ you are doing it whether you want to or not. You really don't get much say in it. Think of it like working in a McDonalds... they tell you what you will do and how to do it and you go through the motions. If management wants to change how things are done you don't get a vote.
Tell those same stories for 40 years and you'd be a little bland too. Why can't kids just watch RU-vid videos and docu-dramas and take tests?? I bet they'd learn more. Especially if they infer allot about sex. Keeps their interest thinking they might get to see a booby.
This was one of the most enjoyable casts I've ever heard. I had no intent to listen to it now but I couldn't stop once I started. I hope the rest of yours are like this. I just sub'd🥰
I once lived in Battle Creek in the late 50s. Many of my friend's parents worked at Kellogg's but the only thing I knew about the man was the Black Squirrels in town that he'd supposedly introduced. It's odd though that as far out as he was, some of his ideas weren't that bad. Light therapy has been suggested for people living in higher latitudes to prevent the high suicide rate due to short day length. And while corn flakes were derided because they were thought to contain less food value than the box they came in, granola is still popular. And yogurt is still thought of as a probiotic. My mom was a nurse in the 40s and enemas were routine for constipation.
As a nurse for 17 years I can tell you not all enemas are good. And even the store brought should be used sparingly. Many home remedies for them are downright detrimental exacerbating constipation and worse wiping out good bowel flora. And never use something you sent away for or ordered off the internet. I know a fellow nurse that paid like $150 ( there’s one born every minute) and claimes they were never the same again.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church has always been vocally pro-education, which is why the SDA Church now has the 2nd largest Christian denomination church school system in the world.
The insane thing is that the Battle Creek Sanitarium is now used for two things. Because there was more than one location. One is a prison, the second a VA hospital/ long term care facility. Both of my parents, and many of my ancestors were from this part of Michigan. The famed cereal city has a lot of history definitely worth digging into. Thank you for this episode. I had to share it with my friends and family.
I looked into this because I'm thinking of concepts to have in a history based horror game. I couldn't find anything about the prison, and the VA hospital was from the 1940s and 1950s. Could you tell me more about the prison?
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"'This is coming from the guy that invented the chair that vibrates and flogs you and liked shoving yogurt up people's bums." That's the best thing I've heard all morning lol 8:25
Coffee ground enemas, soap sud enemas and other ingredient enemas are still in use today. Stool from a healthy person with good gut bacteria is put into an ill person with poor gut bacteria via up the but, this is done also these days. It is easy to laugh through ignorance but smarter to research if there is any valuable truth to it. This man mocks( the narrator) light therapy which is used extensively for depression in hospitals and nursing homes around the world. Kellog may have been mistaken in some of his ideas but had a good grasp on othersthat are still in use today.
I'm amazed that you have been covering so many of the very things that I have researched over the years - and doing a good job of it! I'm also pretty sure that most average people have no idea how much effort it takes to edit a video like this (it's like 5 to one per minute folks) which is why I gave up on doing it myself and just stuck to the audio since I work full time at a regular job that I actually like. Good job and keep it up!
the 1994 film "The Road to Wellville" was based on semi-fictional accounts of Dr Kellog's therapies, with Anthony Hopkins playing the part of Dr Kellog
@@kimmariefaber4636 For me it is the best comedy ever, but the reviews for the movies were not good. Probably not mainstream humor. The movie has a great cast, Mathew Broderick, John Cusack, Bridget Fonda. It is like the actors went all out for the movie
Many, many, many years ago we took a tour of the Kellogg factory. It was magic to an 8 year old and at the end we each got mini boxes of frosted flakes. A sweet memory.
@@alexwilder8315 i have tried to find the definition of the word nutolene with no results. Im not a 7th day Adventist but i do go to church with them and argue with them about some of their beliefs which gets me in some hot water alot. Please tell me what nutolene is.
You often think you heard these stories but this dude expands upon them with some new information. I was always surprised in every video of him even if I already knew the story.
My great grandfather was a male nurse at this sanitarium, and when he died Kellog tried to adopt his widow's children, my maternal grandfather being one of them.
I always expect the bad guy to win in these history lessons because that's usually how it pans out. It's refreshing to, for once, hear about a person with purer intentions win and the "villain" get what he deserves in the end.
@@josephfox9221 though his actions basically involved breaking people mentally, disfiguring them, and traumatizing them. Even if his actions were built under good intent, it's very unlikely these people supported the acts brought on to them over just being kicked out of the place.
@@Skylancer727 but the other brother was only interested in making a profit by exploiting children with colorful toys to sell sugar laced foods to. And basically started the dessertifciation of breakfast in America leading to the obesity of millions
@@Starfish2145 As a matter of fact yes . My great-great grandmother worked at the San, and I remember the stories my grandmother would tell us about things that happened there. Actually, “The Road to Wellville” portrayal of J. H. Kellogg. A lot of people don’t know that W. K. loved Arabian horses, and his stable in California is home to the purest Egyptian Arabian line in North America.
@ProgM Actually, yes, over half of the plant employees have been pushing to reduce sugar and chemical additives. The Battle Creek plant also makes the lion share of all the Canadian products, and Canada has strict rules regarding both of those issues; we would like our cereal to return to the more natural state. (Since the late ‘80’s our cereal taste has declined.)
I don’t know how on earth you pluck these history lessons from the arse hairs of life gone by,but I love these vids either way. Keep up the great work 👌🏻
I watched a program, “Mysteries at the Museum”, on this. One missing bit: a poor entrepreneur was a patient there at the time. He found Will’s writing desk open with the corn flakes recipe, stole it, quickly left, and created his own corn flakes. His name? C.W.Post of Post cereals.
Actually, Post worked in the kitchen at the sanitarium. I doubt he needed to find the recipe in a desk. I think the real story is much simpler - he knew precisely how it was made, saw the market potential and went out on his own to make it. The Kelloggs were slow at getting into mass-marketing of their products. Will Kellogg didn't start the "Battle Creek Toasted Corn Flake Company" until 1906. Post had already been capitalizing on his knowledge of their various breakfast products since 1897.
C. W. Post worked at the Sanitarium. He helped John Kellogg in the production of his sugarless corn flakes. The invention was made to have an easy to serve whole grain breakfast available for residents of the Sanitarium. I was raised as a Seventh-day Adventist (SDA). I left them in 1981. My family has been SDA for four generations and my great grandparents and grandparents on my father's side lived in Battle Creek. I have visited the old sanitarium site and I personally knew some of the Kellogg family. Kellogg's lunacy also infected Ellen Gould White (nee Harmon) who was the so-called "prophet" of the SDA sectarians. She frequently attended the sanitarium for her many health issues and she lauded Kellogg at one time and she advocated many Kellogg ideas in her writings (I read all of them). Kellogg and White were both too egotistical and they were both too wacky to have such an alliance continue. They eventually denounced each other. On the positive side: the Battle Creek Sanitarium was famous for its successful hydrotherapy treatments.
@@PotPoet Sad you left the true Remnant Christopher. You can see how her writings in, "The Great Controversy" are spot on. She never claimed to be a prophet, but only a messenger of God. She was human and did her best on what she knew. Like all the other prophets in the Bible. They were flawed, but God still used them for His ultimate purpose.
@@createdcreated1977 Well said. As a SDA PK… the issue has and will always be, people not studying the word of God. E.G. White always said she is the lesser light, leading to the greater light. But if you ever doubt and are are unsure, follow the Bible. I’m NOT a fan of man-made doctrine. But you surely can read the Great Controversy and the Bible …they do agree. I’m 47, and it still amazes me how people don’t understand context. It is IMPERATIVE to pray before reading the scriptures, so that one can gain understanding and wisdom. God bless.
If you think yogurt enemas are bad, wait until you hear about fecal transplants given by enema or even orally to treat recurrent c.diff colitis and inflammatory bowel disease... and it works really well.
Call me crazy but yoghurt enemas sound worse than poop enemas. One thing is supposed to be in the bowels and the other is not. Plus if it’s done medically then there’s no real issue, not like they just fish the poop out of the toilet for the procedure, it’s specially treated I presume lol
Binge watching all your videos while I’m frozen into these third shifts really be helping the time move by 🙏🏻 thanks thoughty! For those who don’t know working 2nd and 3rd shift takes a lot out on your mental and physical health.
Pancakes and pemeal with generous maple syrup for us Canadians lol or a cement thick bowl of oatmeal with generous milk n brown sugar on those frigid -40C winter days
My dad ate Kellogg's Corn Flakes every day for well over 60 years. One day I mentioned that he must really like them. He said no! He f*&king hated them! He said it was just a habit and he'd never tried anything else. I didn't have a response.
I couldn't help thinking of 'Saki's famous story, "Filboid Studge": *"He had discovered that people will do things out of a sense of duty, which they would never attempt as a pleasure..."*
Habits are hard to break whether they be good or bad. There is an old saying. Be careful of your habits. They are first spider webs. Then chains that bind us.
Neato. I had always recognized Kellogg as a person smart enough to realize that good hygiene was elemental to good health. But i have now learned that it was Will Kellogg, rather than John who helped feed America
Dear@LUIS VAL Probably not, although that depends on what the cereal crop was sprayed with. If it was Glycophosphate then possibly. Much USA bacon contains sodium nitrite, a poison which need not be used as salt quite sufficient for curing. Sodium nitrite leads to nitrosamines in certain conditions which are even more toxic. Hence much of USA's poor health issues today. Kind regards Baldmichael Theresoluteprotector'sson
@@baldmichaelresoluteprotect1206 You mean glyphosat? That is sprayed on the ground before sowing seeds. If handled in correct amounts it should be decayed by the time the plant grows. But yeah, rests remain.
@@earlysda Yes, I mean those. There are healthier cereals though, like whole wheat cereal biscuits , shredded wholegrain pillows, porridge oats and the mueslis (high fiber, no added sugar and salt).
The sanitarium became a military hospital during WWII. My mom was a nurse there, I think it was called Percy Jones hospital. It is now a federal building.
Fun Fact: Dr Kellogg build a house here in Morro Bay California in the early 1900's which my husband worked on the garden for 30 years or so. When the owner died the care taker our friend moved in for while with her husband. They said that the house was haunted 👻 and didn't go in certain rooms after dark. They moved out over 10 years ago and no one has lived in it since. The family tried to sell the house and never could even though it is a beautiful home which has a outstanding view of the Pacific Ocean.
Makes you wonder how many of his siblings died BC of him, & how much of “child observations” were made towards his very potent father & fertile mother!!!
@@faithreturns333 I mean, teachers have a bit more freedom than you think They just have to teach the cirruculum, it doesn't exactly matter how it gets done
Snap, haven't seen the film for years but I remember Anthony Hopkins plays John Harvey Kellogg, the inventor of corn flakes and plays him as a bit of a fruit loop!
Thank you. I couldn’t remember the name of the film. It almost died when the first title received an X rating. It was re-edited and barely got by with an R rating.
Kellog left the SDA church in the end. He started strong but with the power that was given to him, he soon was no longer instruct-able and went off the deep end in several ways- including faith principles not based off the Bible nor the church he claimed to be apart of. Soon the original power wasn't enough and he wanted to have full control of the health institute and for it to be seperate from religion all together- yet for the church to still fund it. He eventually got his wish for the separation but unfortunately the church didn't have another option to his for a while. Some of what he believed about health was true so just like most things we hear, take the good and leave the bad. Do your own research.
As a decendent, I have learned that John Harvey Kellogg was kicked out of the church for speaking his own mind! The White family, who basically owned the church and sanitariam, mentored and took him in when he was young! They couldn't stand him, when he could not be a clone! The same goes on today, in the church when you ask to many questions!
@ProgM please, no one put a gun to anyone's head and made them eat. Everyone is as free to sell what they want as you are free to eat what you want, if people don't know how to eat properly or have no self control, that's on them. Take your victim mentality somewhere else
@@nataliedickens1289 do you want to start counting people "killed by capitalism" vs people killed by socialism, totalitarianism, fascism, mercantilism and anything that's not liberal, democratic capitalism?
@@annajohnston9528 that could very well be, and if he were Ace, I feel bad that he didn't have a better upbringing. But his religious upbringing caused him to genitally mutilate young boys and girls. And that would buy him an eternity in Hell if I actually believed in such bullshit.
I feel sad for the “normal” brother apparently he wanted to hear what was written in that letter and because of a decision of some entitled secretary not even a familiar he didn’t have that letter till the end of his life probably bearing the weigh of a grudge he could have left long ago. The other one, well maybe he saw his wrongdoings when he was left all alone and broke but it doesn’t excuse the physical and mental pain he caused to people who probably were forced to be interned in his sanitarium by their families and obviously children who didn’t have a say in any of that.
Enemas actually can help with some forms of constipation though; and they can work so well your bowels will get lazy if you perform enemas too often since they don't have to do all the work by themselves. Talk with your doctor whether you should or not do it; it's really something that needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis.
Reminds me of my very strict SDA upbringing. When I was spreading misinformation in the neighborhood about how babies get here, my mom decided it was time to give me the SDA book for kids, LOVE'S WAY. It assured me that only husbands and wives 'mated' and nowhere did it say that it's actually FUN but at least it stopped me from telling the neighbor kids that if a man peed in a woman, it made a baby!
I've watched a bunch of your videos now but this one was the funniest of them all. Your delivery of humour and sarcasm is too good. Makes for awesome watching. Thank you so much. Making learning enjoyable.
To me, the amazing thing is that he was allowed to get away with all of this. He was given power over others. With him, definitely, power corrupts. Horrid man.
people chose to go to his infirmary, they could leave at any time. doesn't excuse what he did but he only went out of business when people stopped showing up
I have lived in Quincy Michigan for 50 years and have been on a few tours in the Kellogg factory.. I can say, everything in this video is absolutely true.. crazy shit!
Doesn’t make it any less bizarre. If your surgeon sewed herrings into you, you wouldn’t dismiss it simply because “he wore gloves and a gown, and really had that whole hand washing thing down” even if he had the paper on his wall. if anything, it just serves to contrast all of his repressed, aberrant behaviours
Good morning Nikki You said; They didn’t teach these details about KELLOGG in Adventist Heritage. They also did not teach you that J.H. Kellogg founded the *Race Betterment Foundation.* J. Harvey Kellogg, along with Margaret Sanger were kingpins of the Eugenics movement. J. Harvey Kellogg used sterilization and Margaret Sanger used Planned Parenthood to eradicate society of what they deemed to be undesirable people. Though he could not bear the sight of his wife's pubic hair, and never consummated his marriage, J. Harvey Kellogg, at his sanitarium, made great advances in *ovariotomies,* the surgical removal of the ovaries, i.e. sterilization. Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. The largest provider of abortions in the world.
@@geoffdein2894 He didn't own the original sanitarium. It was funded by the SDA. However, it burned to the ground. Ellen White and the SDA did not want to rebuild because Kellogg had fallen away from the church. He got some investors together, borrowed a lot of money, and built a palace style Sanitarium to replace the first. All without the involvement nor consent of the SDA.
@@mark9531 yes I thought it was something like that. He went “God is in everything”. I forget what they call it. Certainly deviated well away from Gods word
"so we probably shouldnt lsten to anything they say" Ive been watching your videos for like a decade or some shit, and I still love how surprisingly n refreshingly blunt u can be at times; dont change dude..