@@bl8388 He sure did. I just watched one of his videos where he raised a block five feet up and started to walk it out over another block. I can lift a 600 lb. block of granite up as high as I want with one large pry bar and a bunch of timbers to stack up under it as I go up.
One problem with this. Where would Neolithic buiders get access to hard hats? Also everyone forgets the health and safety implications. For instance, they would need a compliance officer, risk assessment forms and a road and streetworks certificate. And don't get me started on where they got planning permission.
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Knew I wasn't the only one with the idea of lever walking. 1. Add weights to the levers to reduce needed effort. 2. Increase lever length...a lot. 3. No one said the levers had to be straight. Make them jag down at the end and then you don't need scaffolding, or as much scaffolding. 4. Or use ropes to pull the levers. 5. Tie a beam or ropes of the same length at the ends of the levers on each side to make sure they move more or less in sync. 6. Use oxen to pull the levers forward.
I have another theory. At first stones were in cylindrical shape. Moved those cylindrical stones to the site and cut them there into rectangular shape or any other desired shape.
Not convinced. The round stone would be almost double the weight, and I doubt you could roll it over bog or up hills. The rowing method demonstrated here would surely work much better over the kind of rough ground they would have been dealing with?
It was big wood discs. They cut a square out of the middle of each disc and popped the stone into it. Made it it's own axle and rolled it. Being wood, they were lost to time ages ago (or likely reused and the forgot about)
I personally think the top block was raised first, possibly gong higher than what they required. They then used Wally Wallingtons technique to stand the upright stones. Then when they were in place, the top block was lowered on top of the standing upright blocks.
Not really. Both are about equally plausible, and MOVINg the blocks in this video was more efficient and time-saving. What Wallly did that was impressive was erect his block. I don't think he even tried to address laying the top block
all he would have to do with his method is raise one in the center the same way he raised the one he stood before standing it. tie it in place then stand a block one either side then work the elevated one down onto the other 2 and he could do it with just one person.
I think the Indonesians had it figured correctly. I have seen videos of people attempting the rope-n-roll method INCORRECTLY, with the "one two three PULL" technique, in which almost all the crowd's effort went into taking up the slack and stretching the ropes, then jerking the stone a short distance and relaxing again. The Indonesians did a long sustained pull, which is much more efficient, keeping the ropes stretched and using the stone's momentum instead of losing it again with each short tug.
That part of the world has lots of ice in the winter. And moved on a sled or just dragged on the ice. Once moving it would travel under inertia. Ice works in theory for razing and setting it in place too. Just pile snow and water into a ramp. Also think that is how they mite have worked the stones on Easter Island. Chuxgold.
Easter Island has no snow/ice. It's in a more temperate zone. But it was covered with trees when the islanders landed. Movement by log rolling; not far fetched.
Under enough weight (pressure) ice melts. Ice sliding could work fine for smaller blocks but once you get up to trilithon Baalbek sized stones you'll need to use the lever walking method.
Yep, Wally is the GOAT :) imo - He came up with the best (and simplest) methods for moving weight. Though I think; Stonehenge was partly a communal project. So it was important to use many people. It helped unify (or just keep peace between) various tribes, by completing projects like this together (sharing and combining resources too). I'm sure the ancients, like Wally, understood how powerful gravity was (even if they didn't 'define' it as gravity :) And also knowledge of the elements (like water and earth) and how to combine them to move weight. All these skills combined, could move mountains ..things the 'modern' world forgot with the onset of the industrial revolution (but 'hints' of it are still in cultures around the world).
There is a guy, a single guy, that figured out how to do this by himself. Different method of course, but I think moving the stones is t the question. It's how they quarried and carved them.
If they built a long ramp out of earth they could "row" them up to position? Simply move earth ramp to next position to start again? Simple technology but would work?
There are many ways to move and raise large blocks. The question only becomes complicated when you ask "which method did they use. There is always the tried and true method of burying the pillars, move the lintel, remove the extra dirt.
It's clear that Stonehenge was never completed. The reason why we still see megaliths there is because, well you know, megaliths don't vanish, they stay where they were left. By that we can realize that the "missing megaliths" are missing because they never arrived.
Now THIS is what I was looking for! Watched a video of a stone being stood up for a Stonehenge replica and people in the comments were raving. That is *not* the cool part. *This* is. Learning how to put a horizontal stone on top of two!
Wally Wallington, put the Megalith Movers aka Gordon Pipes & friends to absolute shame...he had so many nifty tricks...Gordon Pipes could have achieved so much more if he was aware of Wally's rediscovered techniques...simple balancing to raise the stone lintel in a day to full height!
It's funny how they always stop when things get difficult and say they would just simply continue on the same way. Like going to the moon and then say it's easy to go to another solar system now they did the first little part.
Wow great study for the idea of those ancient people of England to build the The Stonehenge. Better explanation of how those people build that historical things of England.
You don't need to overcomplicate things, simply stand the stone up and assemble four teams of people, four ropes are tied at the top with a rope for each side, the teams front and back control the tilt while the side teams rock the standing stone side to side and walk it. Covering twenty miles like that would be loads easier than with any of these complicated lever systems people come up with. On a much smaller scale it's the same basic physics that have allowed me to move furniture and stuff around on my own, things that would take 3 or 4 people to move if they where lying down. The height of the stones is all the leverage you need, with a few people it wouldn't even seem that heavy.
Would be possible, but has an enormous risk of falling and breaking or falling and needing to raise again. Why not use this simple method Indonesians use since ages: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UzL4VNb8NJc.html ?
It seems that this is how the Easter Islanders moved their Moai statutes - based on a combination of the old legends that the stones walked into place combined with modern experimental archaeology. So you may well be right. But the key lesson is surely that there were many techniques that would have worked, so we don't need to rely crackpot theories that involve extra-terrestrials. We may never know which of the options they actually used, but we can be confident they could have done it with the technologies at their command. The same can be said for the pyramids and other structures. You can do a lot with wood, rope, gravity, stones, sand and a bit of ingenuity...
@@markanderson9123 They rough cut the stones at the quarry into the basic shape and dress them at the spot, so any damage can be smoothed out? A theory.
This is actually the best way (fastest, least manpower). This can be improved by adding baskets with stones to the ends of the levers to reduce the effort required to only 1-2 people per lever. Lever walking at that rate is much faster than rollers. With no evidence of a level well paved road, we can rule out rolling. I've moved machinery in my job using hydraulicly powered dolly and rollers to move machines that "only" weighed 30 tons. Even the 10 ton machines at the slightest crack in the concrete floor between poured sections gave us trouble where the rollers would get stuck and we'd have to lift the machine on jacks, then reposition the rollers to the other side of cracks. And that was a level floor and took 4 people 6hrs just to move 300 ft. With lever walking, the fulcrums can be adjusted to match the slope of the ground, the block doesn't have to stay level but could tilt as much as the friction would allow. The levers can also compensate for a few feet in variation of the ground and still be useable.
Josiah Jack, I am sorry for my inadequate English. Who moved the stones all the way from Wales? No human at all, but the glaciers. During the last 2.6 million years, there has been at least 30 periods of glaciers. Glaciers create tremendous power. I know the TV-program "Drain the Ocean." Is it possible to drain the soil all the way down to the bed rock? If so, what do we find? My guess: A large number of stones similar to those in Stonehenge, at the site, or nearby.
And how would this work with a rough stone that is not square and even in weight to move the logs, and that did NOT have an edge to line the log cuts up to, and this uphill and downhill over a landscape with swamps and rivers under bad weather conditions , raining for instance like it does so often there? NOT
What was the group d like when Stonehenge was built. I wonder if period core soil samples have been examined. Because land changes over time. Maybe it was solid Earth then!
So you don't think they would rough shape the stone at the quarry? That they would move it all the way to stonehenge then shape it? As for the landscape I honestly believe they moved the stones in the winter, hard ground and maybe easier to slide the stones, then erected them in the spring , summer and fall.
That's one thing they had back in there day was a lot of man power!...and all the time in the world to get it done! Don't think there was a time frame to get it done.
They did not have metal shovels back then or rope? or work boots? or leather gloves? Certainly no metal moving tools? You have to put yourself in their shoes exactly at the time this was done. Yes, they were moved somehow, but dont tell me there was a Metholithic Survey team that knew math, that had not been created yet, back then...
I think they would have rolled it instead of lifting it. I'm sure a 100 people pulling on it could move it. Or maybe some sort of leverage to push it along on rolling logs would be most efficient.
So if it’s so easy how did they move the colossus of Memnon 430 miles from Aswan Egypt to Cairo it was one piece of stone sculpture weighing 720 tons. The blocks they are moving only way 12 tons. Also experts say they were not able to use the Nile river to move this much weight. The Nile river could have only been used to move the 15 to 30 ton stones
I think this is incorrect, Neolithic builders would have been extremely hard pressed to get their hands on that tremendous amount of perfectly straight, ample length, hard wooden logs. It just seems much to modern a method for builders of that time period.
In the 1920's archeologists discovered Stonehenge stones in the ground unassembled. They had the audacity to erect the stones themselves into CONCRETE, where they thought they go. I was sad to discover that the stones weren't standing since ancient times. I feel tricked and ashamed for our ancestors. Old photos of the construction are online
this is very much a misleading comment. You are correct in saying that some (not all) of the stones were re erected and set in concrete to prevent them falling again, after bad weather knocked them over. However the stones were indeed erected in ancient times, and the restoration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were moving stones back where they used to be. there are drawings of stone henge from medieval times showing the erected stones, and written descriptions of them from even earlier.
@@horseydoggygurl thanks for correcting me , on some stones not all. But I still don't agree with concrete. Restoration should be more correct for the period.
They don't even want to touch the great pyramid of Egypt. Would like to see them move 80 tons solid granite and then float it up the Nile with wooden boats 600 miles. You also have to move it on uneven ground.
There is a much simpler way to get the stones on top. Once the upright stones where in place they then cover the whole site in a big mound (plenty of their burial mounds still exist so we know they new how to do this well) pull the stones to the top and assemble them in the right place using markers. Then remove the earth from under the stones wooden blocks maybe shaped like wedges would hold the top stones just off the upright stones so the earth could be dug out from under them. Then the wooden blocks/wedges are removed so the stones would drop into place. This were the tongue n grooves on the end of the stones and the ball n sockets under them (which nobody seems to want to explain) come into play. The tongue n grooves would prevent the stones from moving out of place when the blocks are removed and the ball n sockets would finally lock them into exact place. Then finally remove the mound so all well within the technology we know they had
They had help of the Egyptians they moved 800 ton blocks all the time. And the crew from Peru advised too. The site is a little over rated compared to the others and especially gobekli tepe.
the last part is the hardest part. 'They levered it into position'. No the couldn't leaver it into position because the structure that the lintel is on would collapse.
Imho the raised it first a d then erected the standing stones below with the technique Wally Wallington used several times. Then just knock out the wood below
lol actually, their was this guy, Wally Wallington (of flint Michigan) who was able to do the exact same thing. BUT ONLY BYHIMSELF. No super strength, and even more hilariously simpler. He even uses the same technic to move a whole barn/shed around.Only using wood and stone.
This idea would work better if you add a stone counterweight to the end of each oar pole thing😅... Just saying if you're going to use leverage you should make it as easy to push down as possible.
Just wondering how did the aincent people's get stone on top of the two poles initially? Unlike modern man who had gigantic Crane to lift it on for them ????
Yeah, just get multiple (possibly three) shoring boxes throughout the bottom and slide the horizontal block from the thin side of the standing stones. The shoring boxes would have to be really sturdy though. You would probably have to make them into pylons partially in the ground.
Well ! How would you put and tied wooden logs under the 40 ton concrete . Did you lift that with machines ?? Then how did you justify that this was that technique .
Or cut away a lip under the edges if it is still in a quarry. See the incomplete obelisk at Aswan quarry how it has an underhanging lip all around...likely so it could be lever lifted out and also lever held while they finished separating it from the bedrock.
@@williamchamberlain2263 I'm confused. Do you mean the Bosnian pyramids? I googled “ancient wooden pyramids“ and didn't find what you described. Please share a link.
nice. There are also way bigger stones than this one that were made, the biggest in the world isnt 1000 tons ? Seen this in some documentary yesterday on yt.
Archaeologists talk/spin about - how the stone were moved? They have no idea what Stonehenge was or why it was made - Archaeologists can tell you nothing about Stonehenge itself.
if you come up with a theory now, that that does not prove anything. We can come up with hundreds of methods today, but that is not actually figuring out how it was built.
