MEGAN REACTS - Doctor Who - The Wedding of River Song (Live Reaction) 

I love the series as a whole (and River, of course), but this episode is only okay imo. The whole "all of time at once" thing was just too ridiculous for me, and it has no relation to the show's other depictions of fixed points in time. And of all the loopholes, the Teselecta seemed like a weird choice. Still, I like when other people like it.

I love this season and whilst not the best finale, this is still great fun!

Series 6 is my favourite of new who.

I'm surprised to discover that it's a minority

Same! I adore it. Don't understand people's dislikes, even after reading them lol. Even that one moment alone: "I can't let you die, without knowing you are loved. By so many and so much (and by no one more than me)" WRECKED me. It was nice seeing Megan so emotional. I sometimes feel like the only one who cried. Says so much about the Doc, about River, about how lovely and vital and important she is in his life. She had an understanding and knowing of him almost no one else does, and still she loves him. Not blind infatuation, not unreachable, simply unconditional. Love them. Adore adore adore that moment. Especially the 'suffer' part when paralleled with that one scene in... it was either the s9 or s10 xmas special. I think it was s9.

Except she's not.

Gaynor kinda is

Gaynor River is her daughter, so she is his mother in law

probably realised that she fancied him at the start of Series 5 haha

Agreed

Alfie 0202 agreed as well. I love this series so much it’s so great watching week to week and following the mystery.

Bit awkward

JoannaRoadie28 -_- the Wedding was so fitting. Like the Doctor wouldn’t just have a normal wedding. It’d obviously be like this. Respect, Moffat.

@@drd2121 Love Moffat

I love season 6 too it’s amazing

*Spoilers* You over think too much. The Doctor and River are *not* really married. Alien wedding ceremony or not, there are inconsistencies.

@@gaynor1721 SPOILERS Not sure what you mean by inconsitencies. My take on it is that the ceremony as we saw it was genuine but done on the Doctors part solely out of expediency as explained above. But by the end of 12's time and given their years together I'd say he took the matter seriously and meant it.

@@pettytyrant2720 Bit late to the party but I don't think he wanted to hide the fact from Rory/Amy (River eventually tells them after all), but at this point in time (pun intended) they didn't know if the Silence would watch them again. And contrary to the others involved, they might actually know the ceremony involved, but let them pass (as it would lead to the Doctor's fall after all).

@@gaynor1721 you do remember that River told the 9th Doctor his name in the Library to make him trust her, right? he said "there is only one reason I could tell you my name" when she was getting ready to die later on. So, considering all of the 11th avoidance and embarrassment every time someone asked if River Song is his wife, we can easily make an assumption that he thought she was his wife from the very beginning as well. Hence it becomes pretty possible that they actually DID get married at some point after this "wedding", cause what else could he tell her his name for. The Doctor, who doesn't tell it to literally anyone else

@@elaiine_n Data River also says his name in Name of the Doctor

Except this is series 6. Matt Smith did series 7 with Jenna Coleman (Clara) as his companion, not Rory and Amy. Then the show transitions to Peter Capaldi as the Doctor for series 8 and 9 with Clara remaining as his companion.

King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England (first off, great name) I don’t remember completely but I think it was because the main ripples that came from the destruction still happen. It wasn’t the destruction but what the main character did in response to the destruction that was the fixed thing.

That's a fair point, but the Mars base was destroyed, and new sources can be wrong, in this case, because of something a source would have no way of getting right. So maybe the Doctor saved her before she killed herself, the first time, and every time. If that's the case, the Doctor's actions maintained a fixed point in time rather than changing one.

@tacobowler But Yuri and Mila (was that her name?) are still alive when they were meant to be dead. Plus, Adelaide’s granddaughter was said to go out into space, as if she was trying to reach her so it’s a pretty big gamble to assume that would be the same when she would be buried on earth. (Yes, it still ends up being the same miraculously but that doesn’t seem to have been the point.) Also, there’s a fairly large gap of time between the Doctor saving her and that. Shouldn’t the destruction of reality have been near instant like it was in this episode?

The only thing I can say (apart from that Steven and Russell had different ideas!) is that the fixed point was the destruction of Bowie base and/or death of Adelaide. Hey, why not ask why we never see the Reapers again after Father’s Day...we all know there are discontinuities! 😀

Fixed Points are a consequence of the Web of Time (referenced by the General ) - which the Time Lords created to stabilise the universe and make it orderly, and in doing so they strengthened some natural laws, such as those governing physics and such, and all but eleminated others (including the Force of Magic - which is why ancient creatures, the Beast (Impossible Planet), Carronites (Shakespeare Code), Weeping Angels (Blink), Fenric (Curse of Fenric), and lots more who evolved when the Magic Force was strong, can still access the little remaining, same goes for Time Lords and their telepathic abilities and the Sisterhood of Karn and their elixirs and Eternal Flame (Brain of Morbius). Anyhow, for the Web to remain stable the Fixed Points have to happen. There like the lynchpins in the whole thing. The upside to the Web is stable universe, the downside is if a Fixed Point breaks it collapses the whole thing. The Time Lords of course watched the whole thing from outside ('looking down on the galaxies below' as 10 poetically put it) as they put themselves outside the Web, and so they could prevent and premept any threats to it ( as 10 affirms in Waters of Mars when he says there used to be people who looked after it all and as I think 9 tells Rose in Fathers Day). The difference with Waters of Mars was when she shot herself it didn't break the Fixed Point, so much as bend it, events stayed on course - or from a Time Lord perspective the ramifications of the breaking of that Fixed Point were almost immediatly corrected by events so the Point didn't 'break' the Web. In Wedding we have a created Fixed Point, made out of weaving a narrative about the Doctor's death around a Still Point in Time, making a new Fixed Point in the Web of Time. And given Kovarian's previous, their dodgy TARDIS copy from the Lodger and Impossible Astronaut, they probably didn't really know what they were doing. When River manages to not kill him it completely breaks the Fixed Point as it was specifically created to have only one possible outcome - River shoots the Doctor. Its the only thing that can possibly happen in that moment to fulfill the Point and keep the Web stable. There are no other options for anyone present to 'correct' the Timelines and keep the Web stable. So the result of breaking it was catastrophic, causing the Web to begin to collapse in on that point and moment. Sorry for length, but believe me this is the very short version!

Robert Payne good point!

King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England Unfortunately, the Daleks are so iconic that that's the way the Terry Nation Estate copyright laws work. At least one Dalek must have an appearance every series otherwise the BBC will lose the rights.

@@robertmcghintheorca49 Where are you getting that from?

Maybe that’s why I really like S6, hardly any Daleks!

Shea Arnold Nobody knows, but it's something that I personally read on a Facebook post.

It always seems that people's negative opinions are heard more after the hype of the most recent series has died down, but in that case they're usually a vocal minority. I live in America, and this series and the next was about as popular as "Doctor Who" ever got over here. The same thing happened with Series 9. I heard nothing, but enormous praise for it while it was on, then after several months after it ended it seemed like half the fandom totally hated it.

PaulAndroid Yeah, that’s very true that after the hype dies down you get the people who hate it constantly reminding people that they hate it for some reason. Series 9 had always been pretty split between people who absolutely love or absolutely loathe it.

bananas are good the ending of that Christmas special is emotional though.

Dr D Ok thats a fair point, the ep is so bad i forgot the decent ending haha

ULOIRAR that’s not that different from the western tradition of the father walking down the aisle to give his daughter to the groom, or asking the dad for his daughter’s hand... Old traditions are old. At least they included the mom too. Fortunately, things are slowly changing

We do watch a lot of the episodes quite far apart, like I think it took around 4-5 months to watch series 6 due to university