@@haydenjohnson1520 UCF went to 3 NY6 bowls in 9 years, won 2 of them. Won 6 conference championships since 2005 and won 50 games in the last 5 years. UCF is ranked #16 out of all D1 FBS schools in total wins the last 10 years with 88 wins. Memphis is ranked #67 and is only 5 games above .500 in the last 10 years. I want Memphis in the Big 12 but UCF deserves the chance they have been given.
@@haydenjohnson1520 To be truthful, most of the P5 schools don't deserve to be in and yet they are. Vanderbilt especially. Houston, UCF and Cincinnati have done little compared to Memphis on the field over the past 8 seasons. Houston got in off of political pressure. The "market size" was just a coverup because hardly anyone in Houston even cares about Cougars football there. The basketball team gets way more coverage and support in Houston than their football team does. They have to compete with 4 pro sports franchises in the city plus Texas and TX A&M. Cincinnati has to compete with the NFL and MLB and OSU for media coverage in Ohio. UCF has to compete with NBA, SEC and ACC. Memphis, on the other hand, has only the Grizzlies to compete with. Tiger basketball and football gets top billing over SEC in Memphis' sports media in the heart of SEC country. No other city or school in America can make that claim. The University of Memphis, to be in a poor city, has found ways to get funding for facility upgrades such as the $25 million state-of-the-art basketball training center, the $24 million indoor practice facility and coaches offices. And now are raising funds for the new Simmons Bank Liberty Stadium rebuild of reported but probably more than $200 million. Not to mention our academics have reached record highs and is now certified as a R1 academic institution. Yet we haven't apparently done enough.🙄
Memphis brings a National brand. Top 25 basketball and football programs. First class basketball facilities. Top 50 TV market. Fertile recruiting ground in baseball, basketball and football. Solid academics including R1 status. Memphis has a solid fanbase that supports the program and holds up the university. The biggest issue for Memphis is perception. If you don't think Memphis is a HOMERUN candidate for any conference as an addition then you don't know Memphis - the city or university. In hind-sight, was ACC making a good decision to bring in Louisville? VERY similar decision.
@@Cws7187 they definitely could be if given a chance. Memphis produces top recruits in basketball and football year in and year out. The only reason our football program is not dominant is because we play in the AAC & lose a lot of in state talent to surrounding SEC schools such as Tennessee, Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss etc. Kinda hard to establish yourself as a football team when kids from your city/state want to compete in the SEC.
Solid? Yeah if we were viewing as FCS schools. There’s a reason I have a hatred towards G5 schools. They always think they deserve something for nothing,
All depends if the pac 12 holds together or not. If USC, Oregon leave look out. You would think Colorado, Utah, Arizona and Arizona state would jump at the chance to join the big 12.
Being in Tennessee, and in SEC country, will be available asset. Memphis should be added to the BIG 12. Geographically, the addition is reasonable. Relatively speaking, they are near Cincinnati, WV, and Iowa state. Boise State makes less sense than Memphis. But still, BYU is already there. So it wouldn’t be much more work to add Boise. Though if I was the conference commissioner I would adjust the scheduling. I would try to make it so that teams play both Boise and BYU in the same year. It doesn’t make as much sense to play one and not the other. Though the question would be: are they away games, are they home games, or one and one? I will repeat myself. The Big 12 should not add any of the service academies. The Big 12 should not add Colorado state, should not add ASU, should not add Arizona, should not add San Diego State. It doesn’t make sense geographically, and in my opinion, they are not worthy football teams to consider.
Geographically speaking Memphis is closer (driving) to KU, KSU, Ok St, TCU, Bay, Cincy, and Houston than it is to Ames, IA and Morgantown, WV. Ames to Memphis is 10 hours and Morgantown to Memphis is 11.5 hours. Orlando to Memphis is 12 hours, Lubbock to Memphis is 11.5 hours, and Provo to Memphis is 23.5 hours. Memphis is really waiting for a dance partner. If the B12 could, by some miracle, make the move for Louisville that would make the most sense. Two basketball schools in growing metros that have competent football and basketball programs. Since the B12 added UCF, USF seems to be the pretty clear 2nd choice. They have a large donor network, despite being bad at football for nearly a decade they are projected as a good football school, and they are building the necessary facilities to be a P5 player. Colorado State makes more sense geographically than Boise State does... they are located in what used to be Big 8/12 territory, they have the facilities in place, they're in a better recruiting state, and they spend the most money out of the MWC schools. I'm not a gambling man but if I were I would put more money on CSU than BSU to the B12. If CSU starts winning a substantial amount of football games over the next 3 years I would feel even better about that assessment and Norvell will likely win football games.
@@onthebrink9278 I virtually disagree with everything you said. You want to add shitty football teams to the big 12 like USF or Colorado state. Be my guest, but I’m not listening to you anymore.
@@allistarevans2081 I'm sorry you are so fixated on one thing. Having won football games in the past doesn't mean that one program will continue to so and to place BSU in front of Arizona and Arizona St. as well as Louisville is a ridiculous statement.
Memphis had the same chance Houston, Central Florida, Cincinnati and BYU had. That’s why they now realize to do the stadium. Memphis shouldn’t has been seating on their hands. Chances aren’t given they are earned.
Memphis wasn’t selected because of the size of our school. All of those schools that were chosen have way more students. We only have 22,000 students lol not our fault.
Sure an argument can be made that the top G5 programs could compete in the P5. But you can also say that the bottom P5 schools might belong in G5 as well. I don't see how expanding the number of teams in P5 makes P5 better. If anything, some relegation is in order, like soccer does.
Even though the New 4 are in, nothing matters until Day 1. A lot can happen in 2 years' time. Now is not the time for any of the New 4 to sit down, breathe, and relax as if them being in the Big 12 is a guaranteed upgrade for increased chances to qualify for a Natty. If anything, the New 4 should kick it into high gear.
Yep and then y’all can rename the conference the Pretender Conference because half the conference is Group of 5 teams. The Big12 is on track to lose its’ Power 5 status.
@@robertmccoin1166 Half the conference? You calling Kansas, K State, Iowa State power 5 level? To me those were teams that were very fortunate to be in a league next to Texas and OU. But this is like this in every power 5 conference. Lots of dead weight that are historically bad.
@@robertmccoin1166 The big12 was literally being carried by 2 schools, Texas & Oklahoma. Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and UCF can definitely beat the remaining big12 schools
@@ganjean4209 UCF went undefeated for 2 seasons straight and Cincinnati made it to the CFP. What has the big 12 done? Texas nothing, Oklahoma gets SMOKED every time in the CFP, and all of the other big 12 schools have not been relevant for years
I think things could get crazy! I think the ACC needs ND to join since their (ND/NBC) TV contract ends in 2025 so the ACC can renegotiate it's TV contract. They should add Memphis also and be at 16. Talk about the B10 taking up to 6 PAC-12 (USC, OR, WA, Stanford, CO, UCLA) teams could leave AZ, AZ St, and possibly more leftover PAC-12 teams to join the Big XII to get to at least 16. I could also see WVU jump to ACC and Big XII take Memphis. MWC could snag WSU, OSU, and Cal from PAC-12?
@@ADeeManz Yeah but that isn't what conferences are looking for. They don't want fans who sometimes show up, they want fans who always show up. That's why the SEC deal is so valuable; because more people are watching the games. Ford wants to sell trucks to the most people possible. They won't pay the same for your sometimes fans, as they will for fanbases who are tuned in to every game.
The Big 12 can ad all these sketchy teams it wants but I seriously doubt that adding Houston, Memphis, UCF, Cincinnati, and BYU is going to maintain Power 5 status. Bringing in 1 or 2 Group of 5 teams could maybe be ok but 4 plus an Independent BYU? That’s a Watered down league to say the least.
The big 12 is literally being carried by Texas & Oklahoma all of the other teams haven’t been relevant in years. Meanwhile schools like Houston, UCF, BYU and Cincinnati have shown consistent progress in recent years.
P5 status is an NCAA designation, that lets schools spend more money than what is allowed in G5. We don't know what these schools can do with P5 budgets, because they weren't allowed to have them until now.
