Very nice analysis and amazing car, especially the engine tech is so much more hardcore than chiron and anyone. it makes creating power from capacity suddenly seem so 2016.. XD aero also seems good but not as revolutionary as the power unit. but can you go into more detail why the wheel vents are active? reduced drag vs maximum wheel ventilation? isnt that what u both want at all speeds? so why it is worth the komplex active approach?
I'm a total aero novice, and even I found this kit to be a snoozefest compared to the Valkyrie. Definitely looking forward to your analysis of suspension layout of this car as I've spent some time trying to wrap my head around it. Thanks for the content!
If I'm not too badly mistaken, that suspension system has just a front and rear heave springs and front and rear antiroll springs and no separate corner springs. They just have manufactured that in a rather complicated way using pushrods and rockers. That horizontally mounted coil spring and shock absorber act as a heave spring, so it resists movement when both left and right wheel move up at the same time. So that is the spring that holds the car off the ground. That diagonally mounted spring mechanism seems to resist movement only when the left and right wheel move in opposite directions, so it seems to be just an roll limiting mechanism (antirollbar). Those two red coil springs (the one visible and the one partially visible inside that silver tube) seems to be mounted on the same shock shaft, just on the opposite sides of the blue/gold shock body. The shock body looks to be connected to the right ride rocker. When looking from the rear, if the vehicle rolls left, the visible red spring is compressed and this causes the rocker on the right wheel to try to lift the right wheel, so it acts just like antiroll-bar. And if the vehicle rolls right, the partially visible spring is the one that gets compressed. The suspension system on Citroen DS (1955-1975), has pretty much exactly the same operational principle. The laterally interconnected hydropneumatic suspension acts as a heave spring that holds the car off the ground. The laterally interconnected antiroll bar is there just to prevent the car from tipping over left or right.
KYLE.ENGINEERS ...I wouldn't worry about it stealing views, it would complement well, and may even feed views. You know your channel's metrics though. I haven't found anyone detailing the suspension yet, apart from the powertrain. Just go ahead and corner the market! ; D
Yep, planning on it, quite a few changes there! I think most of them are addressing the practical concerns I mentioned in the last video, as it's now getting more towards a real car rather than just a body.
Would love more on the project one, and since Aston released more pictures since your last analysis it’d be cool to have an update on how you think development is going- a lot’s changed since the first reveal.
bigbuckoram its not boring at all. It's simple and functional and it looks great very remenisant of rhe clk gtr and sauber c9 Mercedes. Your can nit pick here and there but its just that nit picking. It doesn't look like a 918 from the front. Yes it has a similar diffuser as the 918 but that diffuser has been on manu amg models before this one. It doesn't look like a p1 ar all from the middle... This has a roof scoop and p1 has black side intakes unlike this. R10 doesn't look like this either especially not with the sharkfin. Your eyesight is quote worrying honestly. You should check the doctor. Not saying you have to like the design but your arguments for saying that are non existant.
I love your channel. You have made me want take fluid dynamics as a major. You are always doing super car aero but I was wondering what your take on the " aero" of the new honda civic type R.
What virtual aerodynamics program do you recommend? For both paid and free? I ask bc I have an interest in aerodynamics but don't have the funds to invest in a program now, but would love to later.
I like your analysis, the ONE looks amazing, great styling, it's very appealing to me. Would love to see it on the roads. Never knew about the Aston Martin until I watched this video. And not that interested in the Aston Martin after seeing its pictures, looks like another outdated design and something from an 80s sci-fi movie.
Maybe those apparently non functional shark fins ahead of the front arch moves forwards in track mode along with the front diffuser, and where the front end curves away from where the fins initially rest makes them stand away from the car ?
Hey Kyle really enjoy your analyses on cars aerodynamics, I appreciate it. Can you by any chance do one on the new Ford GT? Been really curious about the features on that car, especially the flying buttresses and around the frontal area. Thanks!
AMG actually made a real concept rather than a mold. When and If the valkyrie comes out, we'll see if it can stay with this beast. Knowing AN, they'll be no space in the cockpit.
What keeps the louvers in front of the windshield from acting like a cowl induction/cabin air inlet? Low windshield rake and high pressure from front openings?
seems like the big challenge in this car is cooling being a turbo hybrid with actually what looks like more electric HP than an F1 car. Your point about the front downforce because of the mechanical layout in interesting. I haven't watched your Valkyrie video yet but I guess that car's going to have a lot more air flowing thru it than this one.
Awesome video. Just one question. If the car is running a flat floor and the rear diffuser starts from a place closer to the middle of the car, wouldnt it be beneficial to run the front splitter raised in the middle as they are. I would assume the more air going under the middle all the better. The sides therefore are blocked off from a lower flat front splitter, so the air doesnt go in the wheels. You have mentioned before that front splitters are usually for purposes such as aero balancing more than total downforce, so i was curious about your comment.
It may seem odd, but what is with the air ducts on cab over commercial trucks? They seem to be directing frontal air around the sides, but why? I know Euro tucks have had vents/ducts like this for a long time, but they are even showing up here in the US as well. Just wondering if you could shine some light on the reasoning for it.
the air has to go around the sides one of two ways, the hard way, all turbulent and draggy, or relatively smoothly and less draggy. They're just an attempt to smooth it out
Nice video! It may not come close to the valkyrie in terms of downforce, but generating more downforce than a gt3 car (Tobias Moers said this) is still great imho. Can't wait for the final versions and performance figures of both cars!
Another excellent video, thanks! Please definitely do the suspension analysis and please could you maybe do a video on the 2017 Toyota Yaris WRC has incredible looking aero package 👍😄
Don't you love watching all the youtube aerodynamicists try and tell a guy with a PhD in aero who designs race car aero kits for a living that he doesn't know how aerodynamics work?
Am no aerodynamicist but I just think the aero workings and uses on the Mercedes Benz is totally different to that of the Aston Martin Valkyrie. It's far more comparable to the Vulcan though. Just looking at a design perspective the AM Valkyrie slices through the air differently ( and more efficiently ) than the MB Project ONE ( relies more on downforce ).
I have been eagerly anticipating your take on the this car. Great video as always. This car is defiantly cool, but I'm still rooting for the Aston Martin.
I don't believe Formula 1 uses those fins. They do have the air duct in the relatively same position, but the fin is mostly reserved to the Prototypes (LMP2, LMP1).
krayos13 I haven't put much interest in recent on F1 soon after the downsizing to six cyl. But I appreciate being corrected accurately.You are a true gearhead good sir.
Doesn't matter what you may think of this car you are initially have your opinion I still think its a cool looking car and they have done their Test on the car a lot have people just say thing about the car without getting their facts about the car I don't see any thing wrong with it Let's wait and see when the car finally comes out and they test it to the max no offence the
How about a video that explains why this car engine, according to published information can only be driven for 30K miles before requiring an engine rebuild. For 2.7 mil + taxes, it's not worth the investment.
Not sure how many people will ever drive these things 30k miles total. It'll take decades to get that many miles on one unless someone uses it as a daily driver, which is highly unlikely, If they do, they can afford an engine rebuild every 3 years or so. Since neither you or I will ever own one of these, it's not really something we have to worry about. Let the ridiculously rich worry about it.
try paying closer attention. Also, without being in the room with the aerodynamics team when they're discussing their plan of attack after a run in the wind tunnel or the results of a simulation, it's always speculation that has to be based on experience and understanding of airflow.
It astounds me that mirrors are even used. With camera capabilities, you can see much more, digitally, opposed to a mirror. I understand that the mirror is simple and fail rates are minimal but it has gotten to the point where viewing capabilities are multuple times better via a video feed.
Yea, especially in a 2.5 mill car. Also the aero advantage is pretty distinct, but they are not legal. Screens with constantly moving things ( road with traffic ) are disallowed, for now at least.
Watching a video is one thing. Having a screen available for real time vision for all of the blind spots just seems rational.....especially in a super or hypercar that has poor rearward viewing capabilities. A mirror is simple but the actual effectiveness is greatly minimized compared to a properly placed camera and interior monitor. In another 10 or 15 years, it probably won't matter because of the increased capabilities of self driving vehicles but to not utilize current technology to provide increased blindspot capabilities defies logic.
Cameras are allowed in place of conventional mirrors (at least in Europe, not sure on US). From ECE R46: 2.1. "Devices for indirect vision" means devices to observe the traffic area adjacent to the vehicle which cannot be observed by direct vision. These can be conventional mirrors, camera-monitors or other devices able to present information about the indirect field of vision to the driver. Cameras are starting to be used, particularly for the interior rear view mirror, where vision is significantly obstructed by rear bodywork. However, I believe FMVSS regulations state that a conventional mirror must be present as well, so a lot of the rear view mirrors with camera functions also have a reflective setting to meet this requirement despite you not being able to see anything with them!
Nothing will be as aerodynamically interesting as the Valkyrie until someone challenges it's design style. Personally, I'm hoping Tesla, or another EV company will challenge it. Since with full electric systems, you don't necessarily need everything mechanically connected to each other, have independent power, independent suspensions, independent steering; then make actual pods around the wheels, then a pod for the driver and electrical systems, then form an aero shell around it. I would assume this kind of design would push aerodynamics to the boundary where we can't have a more aerodynamic four wheeled vehicle. Though I doubt that will happen any time soon, but it's a thought that could happen.
Wish this guy knew what he was talking about lol. He thinks the aero in front and back of the tires are for style haha not to clean the air running past the wheels.
Yes and he talks about the wing in the back and how it draws the air out preventing high air pressure. If you watch the video yourself you would see where I was commenting on how he talks about how the front wing might be there for looks/styling when in fact it is used TO CLEAN THE AIR running past the wheel. It helps cut down on vortices and turbulent air making the back wing more efficient in drawing out the high pressure air and reducing drag.
lol This is something easy that you are capable of googling. If you look at 1:38 he talks about the end plate that is used to manage air flow around the tire. F1 has used it for years to manage airflow around and over the front tire. Not so much on road cars until recently. Road cars have been using what is called air curtains on the fronts of the vehicles to help this aerodynamic issue. please take a moment to google aerodynamic air curtains because if you dont know what that is I cant help you. Two examples off the top of my head that use this new method is the Mclaren 675LT and and Ferrari 458 Speciale. I assume these company are starting to use this technique developed from Formula 1 in their road cars just for the looks.. Random pictures. o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/crop/777x437+0+137/resize/800x450!/format/jpg/quality/85/o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/1d00ca29fc8153eeb5b58859b7201a9d/202815967/Yokohama-tire-wing-001.png i.imgur.com/zVI9wj6.jpg www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/ferrari-nose-2014-john-beam-886x424.jpg cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/BMW-Air-Curtain.jpg www.bmw.com/content/dam/bmw/common/topics/offers-and-services/bmw-efficient-dynamics/Update_2016/aerodynamics/bmw-efficientdynamics-aerodynamic-air-curtain.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.resized.img.1185.large.time1476318397724.jpg corvettestory.com/images/corvette-images/2015-Corvette-Z06-front-aerodynamics-details-2_a_s.jpg
I think they might pass some air, but it's not going to be all that significant. They stick out a bit too much to be blocked off, they'd simply create an unacceptable amount of drag. They're a very stylized version of actual functional elements.
Aero aside, it looks so hideous. It's just not cohesive at all, and looks weirdly doughey, mixed with some of the hard lines of the panels and the wing. I wish they spent a bit more time thinking about the placement of the Led lights instead of just stuffing a weird length and shaped strip around the intakes...
Yeah I think Merc tries to build the car around its powertrain, kinda similar approach with the A10 Warthog which builds the body around its GAU cannon so they kinda look a bit hideous
In the same way you think this is hideous and the warthog is beautiful, I think the valkyrie is rather ugly and the project One rather beautiful. Isn't individual difference something :)
